Mini 1350: Spartacus Blood and Sand Mafia Day 2

[D3f3nd3r]

VOTE 1: Mafia-n00b

- Because he has what he voted me in RVS for.

VOTE 2: Pine

- Because I hate pines.

[D3f3nd3r]

@ Derpy, and the rest of the players: D3 is fine. Just don't get confused when we reach Day 3.

[D3f3nd3r]

People, convince me why I would get on the Derpy Hooves and Shotgun wagons.

[D3f3nd3r]

Quick reminder:

Game is limited reveal. Only the side of the dead player will be revealed.

We will never know if Shotgun is town or scum, unless Shotgun says if he is revealed town at death.

[D3f3nd3r]

I'm a little confused here on what's going on.

Couple notes:

1. I believe Chesskid is V/LA. Can I get a VC?

2. Try to combine wagons. If someone has 3 votes for L1 and 4 for L2, combine them and that person is going to fight to the death.

[D3f3nd3r]

According to the VC, these are the L-X votes for people with votes on each vote, 1 and 2.

Derpy Hooves: L-4 (Phillamon is on V2, all others are on V1)
Mafia-n00b: L-3 (Havingfitz and Inte are on V2, all others are on V1)
Pine: L-4 (Mafia-n00b is on V1, all others are on V2)


Let's try to combine the wagons now.

[D3f3nd3r]

Prod dodge (btw, I haven't been prodded). I know I'm lurking.

UNVOTE ALL

Because RVS is long gone.


I've played multiple games of Mafia before, but I'm not great with strategy. I have had many games as town where I made a scumslip and was lynched after. I want to avoid these mistakes. I know that lurking is scummy, but less than some of the scumslips I've had when not lurking.

[D3f3nd3r]

A person not posting doesn't indicate a damn thing of their alignment, scum NOR town.

Not posting itself doesn't indicate your alignment. It all depends on what you post. As scum, not posting makes you less likely to make a scumslip, so it is a good strategy. As town, it is surprisingly helpful to lurk as a player not very good with strategy, because you are less likely to be suspected as scum.

As I've said before, I'm not amazing with strategy, so I lurk, for the most part.

Lurking itself is not scummy, but all the "OMG lurking is scumtell" people have made it seem scummy.

[D3f3nd3r]

I'm gonna ISO Matias and ActionDan. They're the least common posters here other than me, so let me see what they look like.

ActionDan:
8: RVS Vote. Null.
62: Looking at early wagons. Votes a guy joining a wagon. Slightly scummy, as he was the 4th vote on the wagon.
82: Post makes no sense in context. Null.
169: Prod dodge. Null.
175: Basic reads and a vote based on a quote three pages in. Town.
183: V/LA Notice. Null.
212: Just fluff. Not "scummy fluff," just fluff. Slightly scum.
221: Defense. Either side.
261: More defense. Slightly scum, for a reason below.

Action, at first you thought I was null, then in 212 you defended me, then you started going against me in 261. Odd.

I'm reading slightly town on you, but it's really close to null.

Matias:
6: RVS vote. Null.
74: Questioning another about lynching a townie with an anti-town PR. Town.
176: Prod dodge, V/LA. Null.
211: Prod dodge. Null.
255-257: Reads. I won't complain with his reads on Inte and Pine. Slightly town.
259: Addressed in 262.
260: Wanting to learn about the cases for me and Inte. According to what someone said about the early wagons, that means he wants on.

I'm getting a town read here. I'm not getting a great read here, but I've got a feeling.

[D3f3nd3r]

Derpy, the wagons seemed off to me. I wanted to know if there was a reason to it.

Sorry.

[D3f3nd3r]

I'm gonna take a look at the people voting me later, but I'd like a vote count before I do, or I'd like those people voting me to tell me. I know Derpy is.

[D3f3nd3r]

Okay, it appears Derpy Hooves and Whispersilk are the two who voted me. Just a reminder that it may help to get your votes for me onto one vote, cause one is V1 and one is V2

Let's take a look:

Derpy Hooves:

20: Laughing at a joke.
24: More jokes and RVS.
29: Odd votes and thought of avoiding thread.
45: Question for scummy-seeming player, and admitting that he would like to be "lynched."

Called playing against win-con.

48: Correcting his votes after Whisper told him his order was off.

Slightly scum

54: Questions for Inte, whose method of scumhunting seemed wrong. Adds some (false) meta of Pine.

Slightly scummy.

63: Observing a joke from Whisper, and telling Dan that he doesn't mind having a 50% chance of being lynched.

Called playing against win-con.

73: Response to me asking about two off-seeming wagons.
96: Assuming it means what I think it does, he's supporting his and Shotty's wagons.
98: Rage at Inte, who Derpy claimed was twisting the truth about the start of Derpy's wagon.

So far he's scum. But then...

102: Apology and self-defense. Looks a little like a plead.

Towny.

Puts him back at null.

106: Saying he'll read thread.
118: Calling Inte and Code scummy for their opinions on Derpy and Shotty, and commending Shotty on a good play.
128: Jumping in to say that he liked a vote on someone who a third player questioned.

Towny, unless Code flips scum.

136: Suggests Peregrine to do what Derpy said Whisper did in 63. Claims it wasn't a joke.
180: Asks how Pere drops his vote on Derpy and moves to what another player voted.

Slightly scummy

201: Tells Pine to get back to posting so he can be read.

Town.

225: Prod dodge and V/LA notice.
228: Fluffy.
233: Denying rumors about him being prodded and that hurting how he may be town.

Somewhat scummy because of below:

...nor did I insist I'm a productive townie...

He's a rollercoaster. He's now becoming slightly scummy.

237: Reference to meta and reason he isn't posting.
243: Wanting to pressure Pine, questioning wanting a PL.
253: Of his four scumreads (me, Matias, Havingfitz, and Phil), he votes one less scummy player and one more scummy player.

Slightly scum.

254: Answering question about meta.
264: Raging about how strategy is not really that important.
281: Reading two players Derpy calls "derp town."


He changes a lot. He started off scum, then became more town, then was more scum.

I'm feeling him to be scum.

Phillammon below.

[D3f3nd3r]

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Phillammon now!

He lurks. Whenever he would be prodded, I put PROD between the two posts.

10: Humor
13: Humor
65: Not caring about early wagons
67: Speculation about fight mechanic
70: Mentions posting fluff
93: Speculation about fight mechanic (Next time you use TF2 in Mafia, put a Pyro in somewhere)
144: Not finding a part of mafia fun seems fluffy
146: Notes response, revotes
158-159: Says he cooperated with Code

PROD

204: Raging at ActionDan
208: Answers Code's old question

PROD

244: No reads
246: Unvotes after response
265: Says still thinking about a question

PROD

278: Scumreads and fluffy explanations.

Seriously, Phillammon, do better!

V1: Phillammon

Step it up, you're at L-1.

[D3f3nd3r]

I really want content from you, as does much of your wagon. You post too much fluff.

[D3f3nd3r]

@Mod: OP says votes are locked in for V1, and that people cannot vote the same person in both votes. Based on the 385 VC, would Derpy be able to vote me for second vote?

[D3f3nd3r]

D3f wagon is bigger, so I'm here. If drmy gets bigger, I'll hop.

Yeah...so size really matters?

If you'll move based on size of a wagon, something's wrong.

FOS: Mafia-N00b

[D3f3nd3r]

People, just over a day hours left.

Move your asses!

Also, a VC would be nice.

[D3f3nd3r]

Four hours.

Havingfitz, I feel like you're tunneling me.

@Fitz: If you had the deciding vote, would you rather lynch me or Phillammon?

Regardless, fitz, Let's get someone else out there to kill Phillammon. How about you?

Vote 2: Havingfitz

I believe both of us are L-2.

[D3f3nd3r]

If I'm not your second biggest scumread, vote your second biggest scumread.


Tunneling is just voting and making one person seem scummy, for one thing.

I feel like you are doing that, a little.

[D3f3nd3r]

I'm at L-1. Havingfitz sits at L-3.

CLAIM: Vanilla Town

I lurk because the more you put into mafia, the more likely you would be to make a scumslip--even as town.


Yes, lurking works the same as scum, but for someone who tends to make "scumslip" moves in other games, it works.


Fitz is tunnelling me a little, not that much.

I put up my vote there in part (not all, but in part) because of ActionDan's 511, below.

@Defender: vote your counter-wagon.

If he really wants a vote on me, he can vote there himself.

[D3f3nd3r]

Your ideas are off:

Why lynch what you may call idiot town?
Why not lynch someone scummy?

Why lynch a guy who claimed town?
Do claims have any point if claimed town are hammered, and then the people almost always flip town?

[D3f3nd3r]

Chances are scum at L-1 wouldn't claim. They wouldn't claim scum or town.

If they absolutely HAD to, they'd claim town. Or, they'd self-hammer, if they knew they were dead.


If scum claimed town, why would ANYBODY claim?

Well, I know I did, but still.


P-edit: I'm town. in the hour and a half before deadline, try to get the results if I was town, and if I was scum, seeing if they'd work out.

If I were convinced that being lynched here would actually help town, sure, I'd be fine lynched. I'm not quite there yet.

[D3f3nd3r]

TBH, an hour and a half isn't that much time.

[D3f3nd3r]

Oh. Still, a day isn't a lot of time.

[D3f3nd3r]

MOD: My vote is on Havingfitz.

[D3f3nd3r]

Hey Messiah (Matias's replacement), can we get some reads and stuff from you?

[D3f3nd3r]

Ur response to my 611 is complete BS. You're acting like asking for a new player's reads is a scum slip. Even after lurking like I was, I want to know where people are with their reads.

[D3f3nd3r]

Below, you see the question you directed at me and the four times I found Pine in your analysis, the last time being on Page 10, which was 19-20 RL days ago.

Page by Page Analysis

3D - re: Pine saying that DerpyHooves' reactions to his weird wagon are scummy and justify leaving his RVS vote there, I totally disagree. This reeks of scum being lazy.

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5C - Pine pretending to contribute.

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6A - Not even pretending now. We're late enough in the game that there should be no tolerance for the kind of garbage that Pine and D3f3nd3r are shoving down our throats.

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10A - Does anyone have Pine meta? Is he usually this awful?

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11C - @D3f3nd3r: If you really are lurking just because you don't think you're a very good player(I don't buy this at all, in any case. You immediately appeared to be a better player by attempting to contribute in this and future posts.), please stop. Irregardless of the "is lurking scummy" debate it's still anti-town at best.

Reg. 11C: I lurk because I'm not good at scumhunting. I try, but I fail. If you really study the below meta, you'll see.

Messiah, you mention a wagon on Pine, but say nothing after 10C about him. After thinking he was "this awful," why did you ignore him. As of now, what is your read on him?

FYI, I have Pine meta from NY 152 (4-4-8 Nightless, Pine was town, I was Red Scum). Lots of people found him as scum until he was lynched D12.

[D3f3nd3r]

Fail...

I suck.

[D3f3nd3r]

You were masoneighbors with Phillammon I believe.

[D3f3nd3r]

My opinions for D2 and some issues so far:

Re: The neighbor/mason thing:
Utter bull. I was on the Phil wagon, but in no ways am I responsible for his lynch. Yes, I was on his wagon (so were six others), but it's the same my fault as the other six.

Re: Inte dead:
This was a mafia kill. I'm 90% sure. I feel that Spartacus could dominate any of the lynch fights, and scum would want him dead to help scum survive. I admit I should have thought of this D1.

Re: Drmyshotgun Miller Claim:
I had no clue here if he really was Miller. I'm thinking three scum in this setup, so D4 would be LyLo. I want to have him out before then if he is a Miller (Miller + LyLo = Scum Win), and there's no guarantee he will die if we lynch him D3. We should start now.

Re: ActionDan's "Shot" Claim:
Hard to believe. Despite seeming town, I think scum would rather kill Inte with his lynch fight-immunity.

I'm reading scum on ActionDan, and I'm 50/50 on voting Shotgun.

VOTE 1: ActionDan

[D3f3nd3r]

Uh...idk about MattP. He really pisses me off. I have a feeling he is Hated and gets lynched by just five votes, based on his rant in 741. I get a feeling he's scum, and his pissing me off doesn't help the matter.

VOTE2: MattP

[D3f3nd3r]

FYI: Inte was Spartacus.

Dan, you seemed town, then you claimed that you were shot. I forgot to clarify that the "shot" claim really screwed you over and made you seem scummy.

[D3f3nd3r]

I clarified two things. Dan, step it up, getting crazy reads when someone clarifies someone.

[D3f3nd3r]

Prod dodge. Almost nothing has happened in a while.

[D3f3nd3r]

Good minds think alike

[D3f3nd3r]

After Friday, there have been six posts. One was from the mod, four were prod dodges, one was a comment.

[D3f3nd3r]

I need a cool name!

[D3f3nd3r]

Great job lynching town, Shotgun.

Oh wait, game is dying, I really don't give a damn anymore.

<- really is town.

[D3f3nd3r]

Just a warning, mod has 72 hours to do something ("will post later" doesn't count) before I request replacement.

Taking WAY too long.

[D3f3nd3r]

UNVOTE 1
VOTE 1: Drmyshotgun

Doubt he is Miller.

[D3f3nd3r]

I'm gonna claim in these spoilers.

Spoiler: What I am

CLAIM: Never playing in a game modded by Chesskid again

[D3f3nd3r]

Seven players are left in. You're not getting six replacements. Just post roles and how the lynch mechanic works and kill it.

[D3f3nd3r]

I suppose this is over?

Cause I really was a VT.

[D3f3nd3r]

Chess said he'd look for a backup mod. I don't see a list of everyone's roles anywhere. Only town PRs I know are the neighbor/mason.