Open 421-Pamplona II: Electric Bullgaloo! Game over

[Psyche]

Hi. Not quite through reading at all.

[Psyche]

Hi. Not quite through reading at all.

You read 60 pages of this but not 25 pages of our last game?

I read it eventually.

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4 pages.
2.5 hours.

[Psyche]

Hi, Near.

Anyway, I should have some huge post by this time tomorrow.

[Psyche]

Found this picture funny. Now commencing unceremonious reading of "All That Shit".

[Psyche]

Where's you cases, shotgun?

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Please stop being so rude.

[Psyche]

Please stop being so rude.

Please post that "big" post.

Focus on your own big posts. I'll have mine when I have mine.

[Psyche]

Where this sudden self-importance came from bewilders me.

This is what I think when reading your posts.

[Psyche]

Where this sudden self-importance came from bewilders me.

This is what I think when reading your posts.

Tut tut.
How about you read this game before posting stuff like this?
You are one of the worst replacements a game can have and you not defending yourself from the people who are calling you Scum but instead attacking someone else is real interesting.
You probably can't counter those scum-reads and is just on my tail to earn the title: Mr.Righteous.

You're being incredibly rude and haughty. That has nothing to do with this game except that you're being incredibly rude and haughty in this game. There is no angle. If you were just posting fluff, I'd just ignore you and keep reading the thread. But people like Bitmap have feelings. Actively working to make them feel bad for no good reason makes you a bad person and a bad player in your own right (for at

least

that reason). Won't you take a step back and try some perspective?

Once I finish reading the thread, I'll try to deal with any concerns you have about DLG's play. You, however, have to understand that reading a 60 page thread

takes time

and try to keep from spoiling the game by acting like a complete ass. There's really no reason for that sort of behavior.


Anyhow, please explain why DLG is scummy so I can digest that while I read. >.>

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Sure.

27.

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Misrepresentation, fallacious reasoning, and failure to get the point.

Calling you out for being an ass =/= discrediting you, =/= fluff
"Discrediting shotgun" and "posting fluff" are mutually exclusive. To assert that I am doing both is

fallacious

Reading the game isn't required to call you out for being an ass.
"white knighting" refers to defending someone else who is being called scummy, not criticizing someone for being an ass in a forum game

Having a sense of decency =/= lynchworthy scumtell

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I'll do what I want. Reading nonstop is mentally taxing.

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Everyone who voted for inte was "responsible".

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You're blaming others for a wagon you shamelessly jumped on and expressed explicit approval of.

[Psyche]

You're blaming others for a wagon you shamelessly jumped on and expressed explicit approval of.

But won't you agree that there's Scum in this PR-lynching-wagon?

There pretty much has to be.

[Psyche]

Kondi. MYLO. Slow down.

I've read the thread and am doing analysis now. I'm kinda tired from work, but meh.

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Hmmmm, No. You pushing on Rach that much is actually working as a repellant for me Bitmap.
And BK is pushing that one too. No no.

So you think Bitmap and BK are scum?

[Psyche]

So right now RM is at L-3 with BK and Bitmap voting her?

Not likely anyone will hammer.

@shotgun: Not yet. Bitmap is more obvious.

@Psyche: Who do you suspect?

Not ready yet. (Everyone.)

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Bitmap and BK can't both be scum.

[Psyche]

Bitmap and BK can't both be scum.

Bitmap and BK are both town. That's why.

No. No. No. High chance says you two are both Scum. At least BK is like Obvscum.

BK L-1 voted his scumbud.

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RBD looks like he popped up for fun coordination hammer time.

Explain how RBD's post reads like this, and how your thinking this makes sense, given your vote.

Not particularly.  I dont expect many scum to be on it anyway just because its a super early wagon.  Whats more interesting to me, is the people not interested in it at all.  Like mr bk201 for example.  

VOTE: bk201, talk to me baby.  Whatcha thinking about?  Are you pro or anti bit!

Pressure doesnt work if I can't see it. I wasn't even looking at this thread since my rvs vote. 

Shamelessly sheeping DLG, 
VOTE: Bitmap

That's L-1.

Fixed quote tag.  ~~NS

THE HELL.

I left the addendum from my notes there.

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Shotgun, please process the meaning of my quoted BK post and tell me what your current theory of who is scum is.

[Psyche]

Do you seriously think scumBK brought his own scumbud to L-1?
What do you think was his reasoning?

So Scums left you alive because you are playing your role right?
Or that you are Scum and that you are playing your role right (ie. Look like a newb dumbass town) that you are still alive?

Are you deliberately presenting a false dilemma and ignoring the most obvious possible reason that bitmap is still alive in order to push his lynch?

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I said I suspect basically everyone atm. Just answer the question.

[Psyche]

Relax. It's a game. Positive affect helps you innovate.

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Towncred? BK definitely didn't get towncred for that post.

He'd probably have made a case to make him seem like a fervent supporter if he wanted to get towncred and differentiate himself from other shameless sheepers.

But I don't want to fall into the association tell trap again...

[Psyche]

I think of mafia as a chess game. Sure, meta and remembering how to play the beginning steps are important, but if you can't think for yourself and just mindlessly throw moves that you read and memorized somewhere, you're not going to be a great chess player. Meta can get you only so far. Since mafia/chess are so dynamic, the players themself will not necessarily follow a set scum pattern on the wiki.

Beautiful. Irrelevant, but beautiful.

I need more nonlinear methods to understand mafia scientifically. >.>

@shotgun: So you think BK was shamelessly bussing? I don't see it at all, but sure, we'll leave that as an ambiguity. BK

did

unvote really quickly. Perhaps he wasn't planning on lynching bitmap at all.

What about the second question?

[Psyche]

...School turns off the internet on our iPads on the 15th/16th.

I'll be struggling at that point to find internet access. >.>

[Psyche]

I'm sorry. I just discovered this awesome book — Affect Imagery Consciousness — that's making me fall in love with psychology all over again.

I'm feeling really creative about how I'd like to approach this MYLO, but I don't want to experiment on you guys, so I'll just focus on a more conventional approach that corrects past maladaptive lines of reasoning.

I WILL be right this time.

[Psyche]

Ugh, my charger's broken and battery's almost dead. 6% left.

I'd usually save it for a quick porn run, but UGH.

Rach's activity may be a consequence of her ongoing life experiences, and I don't think any lynch off of THAT is good enough for MYLO. We need actual scumtells. Her play has been rather poor, but I need scummy. I think that I'll have more success understanding her with an iso.

RBD really seems okay. The stuff against him/her seems to stem from dissatisfaction with his/her success so far in the game, which seems kinda hypocritical. The player seems to have made sincere attempts to help the town, but they haven't paid off.

BK and Bitmap have both made rather crappy slips. BK's most egregious one was his L-1 vote for Bitmap, which, regardless of Bitmap's alliance, I realize, simply can't be interpreted as a town move. Either way, it seems like a disingenuous attempt to push a lynch. I also have him in several cases just veiled-parroting others.

Bitmap piqued my scumdar (ugh) from the beginning, and continued to do so till the end. His noobiness and occasional shows of sincerety, though, have me on the fence. I'm leaning town, but it hurts to do it.

Kondi and UN are annoyingly unreadable, as always.

Ugh! I need just one good scumlynch today, just one, and the uncertainty will be gone...

I know I missed others; they simply haven't stood out to me much. Near is fine. Drmyshotgun is completely, totally, positively fine.

UGH. I HATE LYLO.

I actually had some notes that made me less indecisive, but I can't find them fast enough or remember what they said. I just wanted to throw you guys a bone.

I'm avoiding association tells this game, because I tried it in a lot of past games after getting to LYLO and totally f'd up..!

We have time! Let's not rush this, let's not play with our votes too much.
LET'S NOT FUCK THIS UP.

[Psyche]

Shouldn't have posted that. Far too rushed and messy. Ugh.

Well, down to 3%. Anything?

[Psyche]

will be back midnight est

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Kondi is by no means easy to read. In fact I think he is really deadly which is why I took the time to study him.

A big WTF to Psyche coordinating quick-hammer by saying when he'll be back.

THEN WHY ARENT YOU UNVOTING???

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Oh, darn. I thought I had elicited a scumslip.

I'm here for 10 minutes.

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He was just being sarcastic, guys! It should be obvious from the way he capitalized wtf!

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lol

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Rach's activity may be a consequence of her ongoing life experiences, and I don't think any lynch off of THAT is good enough for MYLO. We need actual scumtells. Her play has been rather poor, but I need scummy. I think that I'll have more success understanding her with an iso.

Once again, try reading my case again. It isn't about her activity, its about what she

has

posted.

Kondi and UN are annoyingly unreadable, as always.

Unreadable? I'm pretty sure in past games you've placed a read on Kondi. Try reading the 19 pages of open 419, or basically any of his scum games. (I've read up on 2 just to study Kondi, and I've played with Kondi twice where he was scum) Kondi loves to say people are town for whatever reason he can (townslips), and he also loves to bus. I see something he did this game already mirrors something he did in 419, I'll let you figure it out yourself.

I'm avoiding association tells this game, because I tried it in a lot of past games after getting to LYLO and totally f'd up..!

Nice excuse.

In every game I've played with kondi, regardless of his alliance, I've been highly suspicious of him. He was scum once. Kondi calls people town spontaneously and without vindication in both alliances. His personality alone suggests high bussing frequency.

I'll pay more sttention to others' cases when I get back.

Nice excuse is nice excuse. Sorry.

[Psyche]

KONDI. IF I WERE DAYVIG, AND FORCED TO KILL NOW, BK WOULD BE DEAD. If I couldn't kill BK, I'd kill Bitmap, then Rach, then you.

That is all.

Oh, right, BK's case...

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Would probably kill Rach a bit higher on that list. I wishshe were already dead. -_-

[Psyche]

I bought a charger with Mickey Ds money!!

NOTE TO SELF:I totally should do a study on mass claims, their organizers, and their results for the town.

The 15th is soon. Here's to optimism about my capacity to stick it to the man!
(If I do not post every 24 hours, please commence pessimism; replacement after 48.)

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Wouldn't they know from observing their own lineup?

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Oh, nevermind. Still haven't processed the setup.

[Psyche]

So is it 13 letters get pulled for is game and that determines the setup?

[Psyche]

K.

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Are there two or three claimed docs?

[Psyche]

What makes RM seem clear?

[Psyche]

Oh.

I mean, where are you getting SK-Mafioso distinctions, then?

[Psyche]

:/

Indecision, indecision...

Your case isn't convincing enough because it still seems endemic to kondi's playstyle. But kondi's style is pretty unwavering, so it doesn't really matter.

I,'ll try isoing and looking for meta differences.

[Psyche]

(Kondi's not a VI.)

[Psyche]

Arrogance about one's scumreads is just a fact of being an experienced mser (see: "I am so sure of my bitmap scumread that I'm willing to quicklynch him in LYLO instead of undergoing further deliberation").

And kondi's not faking anything.

[Psyche]

@ Mod V/LA till tomorrow

(of course this mod already knows that )



Sorry guys but I have to do a THIRD night of the sleep study they have determined I do have moderate sleep apnea and that the regular CPap is not going to work for me so now I have to try the bi-level one

back tomorrow though with more thoughts on this game.

What part of this did you boys not get? Seems like scum looking for an easy lynch. I had no internet access while I was doing the sleep study. I am back home and I really need a nap did not get much sleep last night with them putting the mask on and off and it beeping a fair bit and having to be readjusted.

I will be then commenting quite a BIT on this game.

-_-

[Psyche]

Bitmap, what are your non-OMGUS reasons (in your on words )for voting kondi?

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Okay. Elaboration?

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Rach, what do you think about the kondi wagon?

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Tell me you're still here. >.<

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RACH??

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Okay. Elaboration?

Well, you're scum. It's kind of simple. Also the reason why no one else would get quick hammered is because Rach has been inactive and she's scum.

Everything BK201 said is correct in my eyes.

I'm not scum.

Now I need you to elaborate on both why Umbrage's play was scummy and why my play is scummy.

[Psyche]

Everyone's posted now.

So now BK's assertion can be taken seriously.

But is it Kondi's who's scum or two of his wagoners?

[Psyche]

Rach's attitude toward kondi in her last post (no attitude?!!!) and her wording ("And who would you pursue if I come up VT like I claimed?") suggests that she is scum who doesn't want to lynch kondi.

Kondi's a safe scumlynch either way.

vote kondi

And Rach tomorrow. I'm still thinking about the implications of that post for a third scumbud...

@BK: Are you Bitmap?

[Psyche]

unvote

Egh...I'm rushing because of that possible cutoff on the 15th. Must focus!

[Psyche]

I changed it before I subbed into this game.

[Psyche]

Hm...So we know that the mafia is either disinterested in or unable to push a kondi quicklynch.

Rach's posts suggest strongly enough that it's lack of interest.
Everyone else's is null, which is to be expected.

But the kondi case isn't really strong, otherwise.

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Rach's may suggest incapacity as well. She may not be willing to put herself out on a limb while in such a precarious position for a wagon that probably will disappear if she adds her weight to it and there is no scumbud to complete it fast enough.

[Psyche]

Kondi's at L-3 now, which is where this thing should've been.

[Psyche]

RACH: COMMENTS ON KONDI WAGON. COME ON.

[Psyche]

Eh?

Yeah, probably. BK would've responded to my vote with glee if he were scum pushing a town lynch.

Pedit: Wtf.

[Psyche]

Rach-RBD-me team doesn't make sense. If scum didn't quicklynch kondi, then he's either scum or two of the three kondi wagoners are scum. A scumlist would have to include either Kondi and any 2 others or 2 of BK/Bitmap/RBD and someone-not-kondi.

To decide which, I really need to figure out the RBD vs Kondi debate. A "but u push crappy lynch" (which is the substance of both cases) argument doesn't cut it unless one can show how the lynching was done in a scummily fashion. I guess I'll read up on that more.

We could lynch Rach. But the consensus about her is a bit unnerving. What does that really mean (

NOTE TO SELF: CONSENSUS THEORY?

)? Bitmap actually seems better in that he's been more contrversial despite his play. In either scenario (kondi-scum, kondi-not-scum), bitmap scum makes sense.

BK's alliance depends on kondi.

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Huh?

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Are you going to answer my questions?

[Psyche]

Perhaps my last day on MS for a long time. V.V

If so, I offer my deepest apologies. When I return, I pledge to all of you that I will make myself available as a replacement in your games, that time under less unfortunate conditions.

I wouldn't have subbed in had I known this would've occurred.

Later tonight, I'll try to provide a full analysis of each player with more rigor than my previous ideas, and cast a vote before the period of uncertainty befalls me.

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lol he's flailing trying to stay alive

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I'm not scum and I'm never getting lynched.

Sigh.....
Kondi's not scummy enough to leave me satisfied, but no one is. But if he were town, he'd've been quicklynched by now. The idea that two of RBD, BK, and Bitmap are scum is even more difficult to accept than that Kondi's town.

Dfukufkfjuyfjyrryjjydydj

[Psyche]

-_-

This is so stupid.

[Psyche]

Five minutes.

[Psyche]

vote kondi

I can deal with accusations of bussing tomorrow. Everything I did today was justified and done for good, town-motivated reasons, though rather messily. Don't quicklynch me or anything and we'll be fine.

I'll hopefully have regained internet access by the end of the Night. The period will give me time to exhaust all potentialky available sources.

I didn't sleep last night, so I expect that my conventional mode of access will be gone when I wake up. QQ
Willing to settle for a Rach lynch if that momentum shifts and I'm around.

[Psyche]

The wiki says the win condition for the mafia is "You win when the Mafia obtain a majority or nothing can prevent this from occurring."

50% is no majority, and we get to lynch someone today.

[Psyche]

Wait...3 scum means the town doesn't have a lynch.

:S

[Psyche]

If there's an SK, that might make sense.

Mafia has no majority and the SK killing the right people tonight (mafia) while the mafia kills the wrong people (someone protected) would bring this to 2 v 1 v 3. And so forth.

???

[Psyche]

So the town depends on the SK right now to NK unprotected mafia, and the scum to NK a protected player.

We're especially at risk because the SK kill's consistent failure suggests that the mafia has identified him/her and began roleblocking (unless the SK really sucks at dodging the doctor/finding scum).

[Psyche]

Should we claim protect targets, then? Or leave that ambiguous?

[Psyche]

Cool, bitmap counterclaimed SK.

[Psyche]

Guys, you know there's no way mafia is getting lynched today unless they decide that losing their control of the lynch is a good idea. Which they won't. >.>

It's either mislynch or no lynch and place your hope in Bitmap.

vote no lynch

[Psyche]

So the town depends on the SK right now to NK unprotected mafia, and the scum to NK a protected player.

We're especially at risk because the SK kill's consistent failure suggests that the mafia has identified him/her and began roleblocking (unless the SK really sucks at dodging the doctor/finding scum).

I shot McStab the first day. Then I didn't do anything for awhile until last night when I killed BK. I'm seriously surprised he was town.

lol

[Psyche]

If Bit's really NK immune, then we can just RB for the win. >.>

[Psyche]

If Bit's really NK immune, then we can just RB for the win. >.>

You're bluffing.

I'm more worried that you are. :/

[Psyche]

unvote

[Psyche]

Might as well be an ass. ^_^

[Psyche]

Actually,

vote no lynch

BRING IT, BIT.

[Psyche]

No, NL's 50%.

[Psyche]

RBD, please vote NL. Very quickly. I have a plan.

[Psyche]

Hahahahahaha

[Psyche]

~{^_^}~

If only rach were more active. QQ

[Psyche]

Curse you bitmap, and your mad skilllz!

lol

[Psyche]

3v1v2 now
2 v 1 v 2 tonight
1 v 1 v 2 day
1 v 1 v 1 night — prisoner's dilemma!
OR
1 v 2 night — town wins!

Your position's pretty precarious, Bitmap. Even if we do fail our kill. :)

unvote

[Psyche]

Any possibility for dual win for all scum? We ARE the ones with the power, after all.

[Psyche]

Town wants you dead, bitmap. We can promise that a crosskill won't happen if you promise a crosskill won't happen.

[Psyche]

We, together, can ensure 1v1v1 happens.

[Psyche]

The town basically gets no say. >.>

[Psyche]

Now is not the time to leave the dark side, Bitmap. Now is the time to embrace it!

[Psyche]

I suppose negotiations of this nature can wait until the inevitable 1v1v1.

Until then, we should just use our last chance to win unilaterally. :D

[Psyche]

Bitmap, I swear to you thus:

If we in equally good faith as promise to aim for an all-scum win, and our scumteam breaks that promise, I will leave this site immediately and forever.

[Psyche]

Actually, to even say that is ethically questionable. :/

[Psyche]

yep, so go for it.

Until then!

vote no lynch

[Psyche]

WE WILL KILL YOU, BITMAP.

YOU, AND EVERYONE ELSE. AND RAPE YOUR CORPSES VIOLENTLY. RACH WILL USE A KNIFE AS HER PSEUDOPENIS. NOT ONE MAN WOMAN CHILD OR PIG WILL SURVIVE.

WE WILL BLOCK YOUR KILL, WE WILL BLOCK YOUR NK IMMUNITY, AND WE WILL STRIKE.

[Psyche]

STRIKE, I SAY. WITH PHALLIC SYMBOLS.

[Psyche]

TEE HEE HEE HEE HEE.

[Psyche]

Here's the deal: WIFOM doc saves, SK shoots scum, hope the mafia have used their prs, hope the mafia's kill is blocked.

Translation: Bitmap doesn't need protection; I'm protect Near.

[Psyche]

And RBD's confirmation "hey you shouldn't have told him that" makes it obvious that they don't have it.

that was RBD deliberately being suspicious lol

[Psyche]

OR WAS IT?

[Psyche]

What didn't you read?

[Psyche]

Pscyhe, then tell me what powers you have used and when?

No.

[Psyche]

What ability did you pick?

Strongman/Ninja

DAMN IT.

[Psyche]

YOU GUYS ARE THE REAL SCUM.

[Psyche]

You can't really organize your doc choices beyond WIFOM. We're watching every move, and we have an RB to back us up.

Now that Bitmap has come out, our chances are even better. :D

MUAHAHAHA.

[Psyche]

All communication between non-neighbored town must be public. There's no avoiding it.

Neener neener neener

[Psyche]

We'll certainly be trying.

[Psyche]

Even if we did kill Bitmap, it's two doctors.

Bah.

[Psyche]

vote Psyche

[Psyche]

RACH! CAP DIS FOOL! DO IT FOR ME.

[Psyche]

KILL IT. KILL IT, RACH. KILL IT WITH FIRE. VENGEFUL KILL IS VENGEFUL.

[Psyche]

Don't you have to play to your win condition? Isn't an SK v Town setup an obligation to KILL?

[Psyche]

You have to play to you win condition. Which is to kill until everyone but you is dead.

[Psyche]

(we automatically let town win by targetting cross-protecting docs, too)

[Psyche]

(they're probcrossprotecting)

[Psyche]

We were this close to NKing Bitmap instead of BK. Oh, well.

All I really got a chance to do this game was help get kondi mislynched.

[Psyche]

lol thanks NS for the game

[Psyche]

Targetted myself.

[Psyche]

Strongman

[Psyche]

Huh?

[Psyche]

Isn't playing for a draw when you can play to win breaking site rules?

[Psyche]

We should've quick no lynched.

[Psyche]

If SK won, his play wasn't really so bad. Especially if it drove us to make assumptions that led to our downfall.

[Psyche]

Was it just me who felt some James Bond villain vibe from RBD when he revealed to the entire Town his nefarious plans to overtake it? Psyche's henchman, and RachMarie's silent partner to RBD's mastermind (think Goldfinger).

M was Trevor and Q was Near/kunkstar.
Of course, James Bond was Bitmap.

Sorry, just random thought hehe.

I was totally getting into it. :P