Open 421-Pamplona II: Electric Bullgaloo! Game over

[UberNinja]

Hi, everyone!

[UberNinja]

Hi, everyone!

Sup Uber! Help town win a perfect game again?

In all likelihood, probably not, but of course that is always the goal.

I'll read and reply in the next few hours.

[UberNinja]

You guys. I need to read the game. Stop making my job harder

[UberNinja]

I'm kidding. You guys can post as much as you want, and wagon whoever you want, including me.

Just don't actually

lynch

anybody until I can read the game and find the scum for y'all.

[UberNinja]

Another prod-dodge post to tell you guys to not lynch until I get here

[UberNinja]

Another prod-dodge post to tell you guys to not lynch until I get here

If I see another post like this I may just kill you.

Another prod-dodge post to tell you guys to not lynch until I get here

[UberNinja]

Throughout this catchup, I'll attempt to explain my thoughts a little bit so you can tell why I came to the conclusion that I did (which hasn't happened yet, obviously, but rest assured that I will come to one).

Link to the original Pamplona here

where?

VOTE: Greywing
for

always

drawing scum.

Did the streak continue this game?

VOTE: Greywing
for

always

drawing scum.

Did the streak continue this game?

Definitely. This time I'm lynch-proof though .

VOTE: DoubleJD

Hey former scumbuddy!

DLG and Greywing are not scum together.

VOTE: andrew94

Alphabetical order bish! Now get on that bull!

Scum vibes off this post.

vote:JohnnyFarrar

I can't

trust that avatar

Ironic eh?

VOTE: McStab

Goes out of his way to make someone look hypocritical and suspicious. On page 1.

Second random vote already, with no attempt in sight at progressing out of RVS.

@ JohnnyFarrar
Hey, there. Good times, man, good times.

@ inte
Why try to disguise that third vote as RVS? Seems like a scummy way to go about things.

@ Bitmap
See above, but worse for being fourth.

What's scummy about me wanting a wagon on a player that hadn't posted?

My post was there for you to see. Explain how you could, at the same time, join the wagon I called for, and call it scummy

after

andrew94 expressed some problem with my post.

@ McStab
The absence of a reaction to the votes on you seems positive, but a couple of content things have happened. Why go with continuing RVS?

inconsistant

?

UNVOTE: McStab
VOTE: Bitmap

DLG is probtown.

@Bitmap:

Really? Two scummy posts this early?

DLG's vote was blatant reaction-fishing. Fact is, you questioned his vote while also voting the same person. That's wierd.

VOTE: Bitmap

@Bitmap:

Really? Two scummy posts this early?

DLG's vote was blatant reaction-fishing. Fact is, you questioned his vote while also voting the same person. That's wierd.

VOTE: Bitmap

I'm lost. Where's the second scrummy post?

1.

vote:JohnnyFarrar

I can't

trust that avatar

Ironic eh?

VOTE: McStab

2.

Definitely.

Damn shame, that. We'll have to put that lynch-proof thing to the test, though.

VOTE: mcstab

Last to confirm, die scum!

This looks like the closest thing to something worth voting for.

Let's make it a wagon.

UNVOTE: Greywing
VOTE: McStab

Are my eyes deceiving me? Is that a scum-move bandwagon this early?

I also love how your initial reaction was "which of my posts are scummy?" rather then explaining your actions.

Greywing is also probably town.

DLG and Grey make good points here. And to answer BK's question No I am not afraid to put a 2nd vote on someone or even a 3rd or so on, right up to the hammer. BUT I like to have something to go on for that not just RVS. Now that discussion seems to be starting...

UNVOTE:

You seem kinda fishy here.... Mind explaining yourself a tad more? Besides the points already made it is quite possible for scum to make towny points and town to make scummy points, but the mindset usually varies. You seem more focused on worrying about appearing scummy. Scum know they are scum, and that can affect their mindset.

VOTE: Bitmap

Rach is town again, as usual.

Hello everyone, I'm Drmyshotgun. And extra hello to everyone I've played with before.
Much joy of Mafia comes from playing with people you learn to know in the site. Damn, the game is pretty complicated for me so if I say something stupid, point them out please.
Of course, I'll do my best to catch scums here as I usually do with my limited skills.
Can't let them Scums win this one, eh?

Having played with drmyshotgun before, this post seems very odd and disturbingly detached and almost purposefully "I am pro-town. Look at how pro-town I am."

Please point me to another game where you have posted a post like this.

Ya you're right. UNVOTE: VOTE: rachmarie, beause you're piggy backing and wrote two paragraphs to defend what still amounts to a RV

DoubleJD is very probably town.


That's all I have time for right now.

Still, don't lynch anyone.

[UberNinja]

Link to the original Pamplona here. For your reading pleasure.

where?

You have to actually click the link.

there was no link before, obviously

tsk tsk revisionism

[UberNinja]

@Uber: Can you explain why certain players are either scum or town by their posts? I know those posts are extremely early and some are quoted from RVS but I would like to hear explanations.

No.

And only VIs lynch this early.

And no.

[UberNinja]

god damnit bitmap fuck you, seriously. you make it hard not to lynch you

[UberNinja]

People who complain about sheeping are usually scum with votes on them.

i.e. The last quote on this page: UberNinja/Games/Newbie_1206

[UberNinja]

@Uber: Can you explain why certain players are either scum or town by their posts? I know those posts are extremely early and some are quoted from RVS but I would like to hear explanations.

No.

So you're saying that your posts have no reasoning behind them?

UNVOTE:
VOTE: UberNinja

LOL

[UberNinja]

@Uber - Ongoing games.

Well that obviously doesn't count now does it.

[UberNinja]

Hoping to finish my analysis sometime tonight or tomorrow.

[UberNinja]

Greywing, you've really never been town once in your past games? 0_o

[UberNinja]

Well, I assume since he won both others, that he was very good as scum in those games too.

Noted.

[UberNinja]

Grey, just link all your scum games. Nao.

[UberNinja]

@Johnny:

Another prod-dodge post to tell you guys to not lynch until I get here

If I see another post like this I may just kill you.

I don't think Scums would use such strong words thus fully showing up in public.

Why are you playing like a moron in this game when you were halfway decent in Open 408?

I'm suddenly very confused.

[UberNinja]

My scum games are on my wiki.

Stop WIFOMing, Greywing.

[UberNinja]

Just because playing dynamically should not be punished doesn't mean that meta is useless.

[UberNinja]

Rainbowdash replaces Hyperion effective immediately.

Oh boy.

Try not to post too much until I have time to read the thread please.

[UberNinja]

[UberNinja]

You're starting to sound like me.

[UberNinja]

Sorry guys, *something else* -cough, cough- stole the brunt of my attention on-site tonight.

[UberNinja]

In about four hours I'm gonna be able to sit down with this game and give it about half an hour. Then I should be able to give it an hour or so tonight as well. Have no fear.

[UberNinja]

Commencing a very quick skim through.

[UberNinja]

Alrighty. I have some thoughts, which I can't post now because I have to go, but which I will post later.

[UberNinja]

Nonononono wait. Why are we talking about claiming?

FFFFFFFFFFFFF it's still day 1 guys

[UberNinja]

Safest claim belongs to T1 though. Are we taking turns claiming VT/T1/T2 now? Who's next?

It is, but I have no good reason to try and discount the claim so I think its mass tier claim time.

Bit popcorns it off. After all tiers are claimed we go with all T2 claims give real role and then all T1 claims. If no pony objects (im seen as town) I would like to be the one that says who goes first for T2 (Bit is first T1 of course)

@Uber - C9++ massclaim D1 is probably the correct move. JK9++ I think the theory translates well enough to say its the correct move. Others are right in saying that this is a complex situation so not allowing scum to discuss it at all is probably right, especially if somepony who knows what they are doing is scum. Go read that one QT I linked. Broke the entire game from the dead QT because of massclaim, town just never realized what it ment and Hikari lied so they lost.

aite. i'm vt

[UberNinja]

aite. i'm vt

You have to wait your turn.

lol

[UberNinja]

BK is lying btw, he's scum

[UberNinja]

Uber you're way too cocky. I actually think you're town cus andrew replaced out yet is playing in certain ongoing game I won't go into detail about that came out after this one. + you being dumb and claiming VT out of turn.

well I'm glad I could help you out buddy

[UberNinja]

...said the guy who posted in response to said cocky player's reply that he said he was ignoring

[UberNinja]

Ok, BK and Rainbowdash are scum. Well, that was easy.

[UberNinja]

And Greywing is the final scum.

GG

[UberNinja]

Hi, everyone!

Sup Uber! Help town win a perfect game again?

In all likelihood, probably not, but of course that is always the goal.

I'll read and reply in the next few hours.

LOL has it really been 11 days since I said I'd read and reply

And I still haven't done diddly squat but dick around?

And town still hasn't wagoned me?



What the fuck is this, you guys

[UberNinja]

Ok serious time. I'm actually reading the thread (instead of pretending to, for brownie points).

By the end of page 5, I already have these reads:

Bitmap is 99% town.
DoubleJD is 99% town.

BK201 is probably scum.
Hyperion is probably scum.

We'll see what I find out in the next 20 or so pages.

Yes sirree bob this'll be interesting.

[UberNinja]

^ stop posting

I'M ON THE CASE NOW BITCH YOU CAN'T STOP ME

[UberNinja]

i retract my counterclaim and i am actually a cop and have a guilty on grey

it's day 1 asshat

[UberNinja]

Ok, BK and Rainbowdash are scum. Well, that was easy.

Haaaa shit. This was yesterday, and I could tell this just from claims

Wow that makes me feel awesome that after having read the thread, the two scummiest people were BK and Hyperion (Rainbowdash).

Fuck yeah I'm awesome. Wagon away. Who's got more votes? BLOOD MUST BE PAID

[UberNinja]

Votecount 1.12

Bitmap - 4 - UberNinja, Near, drmyshotgun, Greywing
Near - 3 - DLG, Bitmap, DoubleJD
inte - 1 - RachMarie
JohnnyFarrar - 1 - inte
RachMarie - 1 - McStab
UberNinja - 1 - JohnnyFarrar

Not Voting:

Rainbowdash, BK201

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

V/LA: Greywing through Saturday July 28

Deadline: (expired on 2012-08-01 03:51:02)

ok are you guys serious?

there's no votes on BK201 or Rainbowdash?

what the fuck is this nonsense

and look how they aren't voting, they're holding hands in the "not voting" category and waiting for the bitmap mislynch to go through

loooooooooool

[UberNinja]

Cool part is im going to be confirmed town here if any of those who apparently have no idea who I am flip scum because really no way scum doesnt know who their partner got replaced by.

Seriously though now, radio silence, we only have a few claims left to go in round one.

lol @ wanting to be confirmed town

[UberNinja]

^ stop posting

she already left. Please nobody talk after this post.

Rach, claim your tier and then popcorn

lol @ trying to tell people when to post and not to post

[UberNinja]

Vote: BK201/Rainbowdash

This can be for either. Let's get a wagon goin on these foolz!

[UberNinja]

hint: uber hasn't read the game.

hint: I read the claims, and deduced scum from both of your claims

then, I read the first 5 pages of the game, and fingered you and hyperion.

aka you and rainbowdash. aka the exact same two i fingered before.

--

and to whoever said "hey you know hyperion's not in the game right"... whoa holy shit! no way! so that means his slot is now town, huh?

but i digress.

--

so, BK, tell me again real quick why you are actually, literally trying to discredit my suspicion of you by a character assassination of "he hasn't read the game yet"?

oh wait yeah, it's because

you know you're guilty

and you think a character assassination on me will actually mean something

and that's just loooooool for so many reasons

[UberNinja]

Uber you're wrong, and you're almost certainly wrong about rainbow.

As far as your character, yeah I'm disappointed in your play this game. Deal with it.

nice attempt at "sincerity"

mission failed on both counts

Blatant prod dodge until I get popcorned

just randomly blurt out your role, all the cool kids are doing it

[UberNinja]

VOTE: Bitmap
You lasted long enough.

Bitmap is town. Pick someone else.

[UberNinja]

BK is NOT scum.
Inte prob NOT scum
DMS is NOT scum

Reasons?

Vote Greywing

Reasons?

Actually I am torn between Greywing and Bitmap. Bitmap wagon seems better, but maybe they are scums together anyway.

Really?

Vote Bitmap

Reasons?

Your last vote was over a week ago and you've made a grand show of doing nothing nearly all game.
Of course I put you to shame in that respect (I try), but now that I'm here you'd damn well better be here too.

Bitmap is town for reasons beyond what you can probably fathom. It's time to pick somebody else to vote.

Either vote for BK or vote for yourself. Your choice.

[UberNinja]

UN needs to go back to lurking or something. At this point I almost want him dead because worst case he is town and wrong enough to almost lose the game flat out.

LOLOLOL

lose the game flat out

it's day 1 rainbowdash

and of course you want me dead, it's called OMGUS because i nailed you as scum

and of course you want me to go back to lurking, you don't want to fucking die

if you weren't obv scum you wouldn't have been called out

Im almost thinking he is scum though for his reaction to noting im potential cleared. Its amazingly dangerous for scum for me to get clear in this setup because im VT and shouldnt have to be a priority kill.

lol

yeah thats OMGUS

and yeah -- VTs are more dangerous than PRs for sure bro

His "lol" brushoff of it just strikes me as a way to try and preemptively shut down that chance. If UN is scum at least one of the players who didnt realize I am Hyperion is scum as well.

Would love to see a case though since I have zero clue why he is voting BK and his case on me is apparently that I didnt realize I wasnt voting Bit despite being the entire push behind that wagon.

you know who asks for cases on obv scum? ... obv scum

sorry babe you're through, you dont have to flail any more

Love to see how his case changes when im now explicitly saying that the entire wagon was me snice that goes against what his case appears to be.

just... lol

I may be willing to get behind the Rach wagon after the way this page shook down. Massclaim needs to finish first though.

massclaim on day 1 is lol

"i may be able to get behind x wagon" is lol

if i didn't know you were scum before, i sure as hell do now

[UberNinja]

Vote: BK

of course

NS, don't get cheeky with me!

[UberNinja]

T1

Inte whats your official claim?

mafia goon

I lol'ed.

[UberNinja]

Hey RBD vote BK dude

[UberNinja]

Town would stop trying to rely on mechanics and fucking scumhunt.
This is why you're scum.

BK is being lynched today, whether you like it or not. Sry boyo

[UberNinja]

@Greywing: I don't think anyone outside of a non-newbie game would do a lynch on L-1 without interrogating and seeing reaction. However, I guess I'm still a newbie myself.

I have, and I would. So looks like this theory goes out the window

[UberNinja]

Not particularly. I dont expect many scum to be on it anyway just because its a super early wagon. Whats more interesting to me, is the people not interested in it at all. Like mr bk201 for example.

VOTE: bk201, talk to me baby. Whatcha thinking about? Are you pro or anti bit!

Pressure doesnt work if I can't see it. I wasn't even looking at this thread since my rvs vote.

Shamelessly sheeping DLG,
VOTE: Bitmap

That's L-1.

oh FUCK no

lynch this fucker

[UberNinja]

Hmm, I'm debating whether to put my vote on BK or not as a pressure vote.

How about you stop debating and put it on him with the intent to kill him

Death! death and glory

[UberNinja]

You're saying its ok to sheep in the middle but not towards the end. Why?

Its all the same, when its not a hammer and when deadline isn't close.

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 9#p4167499

Here he tried to get in on the wagon real slick (cuz it was his scumbuddy) and was made to apologize for not announcing L-1

But in this game we're in right now, he's like L-1 guys woop woop L-1 alert! which means bitmap is even more obvtown

BK doing the bold + big text on the L-1 warning is also lulz

And his attitude towards me is exactly the same as it was the last two times I got him lynched and he was scum

LOLOL

[UberNinja]

p-edit you don't need to trust me, you just need to wagon who i tell you to wagon so we can win

kthx

[UberNinja]

If "massclaim works wonders", then why in your post 716 were you like "after we claim we can move on and maybe catch scum from all this"

That doesn't sound like somebody who's excited as fuck to get everyone to claim so we can break the game YAY!

That sounds like scum who's excited to get all the PRs to claim (ohhh we're claiming TIERS not ROLES just so everyone will be SAFE!!! WINK WINK WINK) so you can kill them off while at the same time being like "its for the good of the game" and MAYBE we can catch scum from this because herp derp we're FUCKING MASSCLAIMING ON DAY 1 LIKE A BUNCH OF FUCKING IDIOTS


tl;dr: you don't sound like you're at all convinced of the effectiveness of a massclaim. if it was such a good idea, it should GUARANTEE a scum lynch. and if it DOESN'T guarantee a scum lynch, it SHOULDN'T FUCKING HAPPEN YET, DUH

yet you wanted one anyway, and you keep singing its praises. why?

and if you've "done more scumhunting than anypony else in the game" then why the fuck don't we have a wagon on scum you illiterate hypocrite? because scum is fucking slow-rolling this town like a bunch of artards and everyone who should have the balls enough to say something is either lurking or just doesn't have the balls period.

well now that i'm done lurking, here i am baby, and a) that massclaim was bullshit, b) if you can show me 1 pro-town thing bk has done I will give you a massive amount of brownie points and then demand that you vote for him anyway because he is scum and you're an idiot if you think otherwise, and c) can we have some moar vote counts plz NS? <3

p.s. i claimed VT because the massclaim was bullshit, not necessarily cause i'm actually a VT. so put that in your pipe and smoke it

[UberNinja]

hell no. we're not "kicking it all off again"

this claiming bullshit is exactly that, BULLSHIT, and we're scumhunting starting here and now instead of waiting for time to run out on D1 and then HERPLYNCH CAUSE DEADLINEEEE like a bunch of fucking morons

p.s. tell me one damn useful thing you learned from your stupid ass massclaim shit

p-edit: inte already claimed, he claimed goon. so shut the fuck up and start scumhunting.

[UberNinja]

really? you guys don't see anything scummy with putting someone at L-1 with a "sheep" vote?

that would warrant an instant day-vig from me

go sheep my vote and stop being touchy with my language

You're saying its ok to sheep in the middle but not towards the end. Why?

Its all the same, when its not a hammer and when deadline isn't close.

do i have to explain mafia principle to you?

wagons are formed to test reactions. not just reactions from the person being wagoned, but reactions from everyone in the game

if you put someone to L-1 from a sheep vote and someone who legitimately thinks the person is scummy hammers you would basically get a pardon for the lynch - something scum want

go get lynched

Scum's main concern is appearing townish. Hammering without warning when when deadline isn't close is very scummy.

... are you being daft on purpose or are you actually scum?

VOTE: inte

you've gotta be fucking kidding me

how is bk not dead

[UberNinja]

VOTE: inte

lets lynch bk201 ok?

You are saying sheeping is ok, just not when it puts them at L-1. If you're saying something else then say it.
What is the difference considering the lynch is not locked in? Reactions are more likely to occur at L-1 than L-2 anyways.

here's another scumtell:

arguing with someone who you're voting because you don't think they understand something

IF BK THOUGHT INTE WAS SCUM THEN HE WOULD ALSO THINK BK WAS FAKING BEING STUPID BECAUSE HE WAS SCUM
NOBODY FUCKING TRIES TO EXPLAIN SHIT TO PEOPLE WHO ARE SCUM, EXCEPT SCUM WHO ARE FAKING THINKING THAT

HOLY FUCK YOU GUYS, IT IS SO OBVIOUS

[UberNinja]

I put Bitmap at L-1 b/c he apparently had a guilty conscience and thought he had been accused of rolefishing rather than reaction fishing (?)
+ L-1 usually creates pressure. His response seems townish.
UNVOTE:

VoteToReplace: Inte

don't like his trolling. Sad thing is he is probably town b/c in my other game with him we were both scum and he wasn't an idiot there.

Idk where to put my vote, sue me.

THIS IS A LOAD OF SHIT

CAN WE LYNCH THIS GUY

PLEASE

AND THANK YOU INTE

FUCK

[UberNinja]

alright Rainbowdash, I'm actually listening.

I'll go over your posts again and see what you're talking about, and give you an actual answer instead of yelling at you for being stupid. I've had that happen to me before, and I've been lynched day 1 many times for it, usually while calling the scum team correctly or getting on a drama queen's nerves (tierce, lol). So I see how you feel and I'll give you the benefit of the doubt for now.

p.s. one of the main reasons I'm giving you the time of day is because I suddenly had cause to question my read on your predecessor

[UberNinja]

Additionally I would like you to look at BK's posts again and see if you can't change your mind and vote for him. It's really the best thing for all of us.

Also, if there's a protective/JK role I would LOVE to be protected tonight. Like, LOVE LOVE LOVE. And I'd give you brownie points postgame for helping us win.

[UberNinja]

also in post 123 where bk goes "i don't know where to put my vote... so sue me" is SUCH a fucking cheekyscum post i can't even begin to tell you

[UberNinja]

Explain your all caps raging + multiple posts back to back. Its all an act to look genuine. Your lack of experience has something to do with it as I've already said.

hahahahahahahahahah

hahahahahahhahahhahahahaahhaa


-breathes in-

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

[UberNinja]

Ok Uber has passed the point of being wrong and has entered scum-tard. I have two completed games with this guy and this fits his scum game exactly. Just ISO him for yourself and see what I'm talking about. You don't even have to know the game, just know his tone/style as scum vs town.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Uber

rofl

please note: last game i nailed him and his partners as scum and he herpvoted me too, even though everyone knows i'll never be lynched

Additionally I would like you to look at BK's posts again and see if you can't change your mind and vote for him. It's really the best thing for all of us.

Also, if there's a protective/JK role I would LOVE to be protected tonight. Like, LOVE LOVE LOVE. And I'd give you brownie points postgame for helping us win.

if he flips scum, sure

i'm cool w/this. if bk's town they can and should jail/protect whoever the hell they want

for the record, me asking for protection isn't enough to get the scum to try not to kill me. whoever you are, doc/jk, you need to actually protect/jail me, because they will actually try to kill me

@Uber: If BK flips scum, what alignment do you think RBD is?

I was leaning very scum early on but that's actually been mitigated a lot by my recent exchanges with him and also by something I read of Hyperion's.

@inte/UN - If you guys are town you really need to claim for real at this point. Even if you entirely disagree with a massclaim, if you are not VT and you fakeclaim VT you are doing a massive amount of damage to town if you are town. If you lie as town in a ++ massclaim, you are misleading the town as to where the PRs actually are and are going to make town look in the wrong spots and greatly risk accidently confirming scum as town, town as scum, or missing town that would otherwise be cleared by a claim.

We have started it so deviating from it will only result in the most possible damage being done. If you are town you need to legitimately claim, I already have proven to you that at the start of D2 whether im alive or not I can confirm to you EXACTLY how many scum claimed VT and how many claim PR in factors of two. Once you get a couple scum flips you would know exactly to the number how many are in each group.

Its a death blow to scum to make this type of move if we get even a little bit lucky. If town fakelaims though, we asically outted all our PRs and gained nothing from it.

I claimed already. That's all you get for now.

[UberNinja]

@ UberNinja
What do you think about Near? I'll re-read BK201, because I remember thinking the inte/BK201 dust-up showed inte as pretty likely Town.

@ inte
Did you ever give a read on Near?

I feel like either I'm way off base on Near, and it's so obvious scum don't even want to jump aboard, or I'm right and just not making the point very well.

If we go forth with the mass-claim, I'll be around tomorrow evening (EST), but don't think that really matters. Only the claimed non-VT's need to be involved, right?

And, well, I just can't resolve Near's attempts to make this difficult for scum to play to their advantage as a scum move. So, that pretty much leaves me lost.

My notes on Near are very thin at the moment, with a slight town lean.

You'll have to wait until I get farther along in the game for anything more concrete

[UberNinja]

@Uber - Just letting you know, if you ever claim anything but VT then, outside if it being a situation where you are confirmed town through the setup you are getting lynched.

hmmm.... i thought i'd made it pretty clear i'm not worried that i'll get lynched this game

change of claim or no

you saying this though, in this way, means you're more likely town. so thanks.

[UberNinja]

HERR DOKTOR

[UberNinja]

You

should stop posting utter rubbish.

[UberNinja]

lol. ownage

[UberNinja]

Uber if you're so good why can't you see how obvtown Near is?

sorry, maybe you didn't read my post:

My notes on Near are very thin at the moment, with a slight town lean.

You'll have to wait until I get farther along in the game for anything more concrete

your further attempts to buddy up to townies and discredit my accuracy or investment are noted

[UberNinja]

alright this claim is a clusterfuck

out of the PR claims here:

inte - tracker
DJD - hider
MS - role cop
JF - jail keeper
BitMap - doc
Near - doc
DMS - doc

I have a 99% town on JDJD, a 99% town on bitmap, a null read on McStab, a "sure, he can be town for now" on Near, and out of the doc claims I'd pick DMS as scum.

I do not have good feelings about JF being "cleared" based on Rainbowdash's ultimate awesome derpclaim hullabaloo, especially when he's been acting like a scummy motherfucker.

On the bright side, there should be plenty of doc protection to go around tonight.

[UberNinja]

BK still needs lynched. Now.

[UberNinja]

No.

We are lynching inte

Um.. did you READ pages 6-8? Go sit in the corner and wear this dunce cap.
We are not lynching inte today. BK is clearly the scum of that argument.

You forgot to go back like I asked and tell me one pro-town thing BK201 has done. You can come out of the corner when you do.

That post also has some great points against you which you ignored. Feel free to answer them "at your leisure" (aka, right the fuck now).

because if he is scum we are eating a mislynch of his choosing.

Huh?

I see what some are saying of "oh he can prove himself"

He already has proven himself.

So has BK; he's proven himself as scum.

but if he is scum tomorrow I guarentee you his result is "X targeted dead townie" where X is a player that now gets mislynched while scum-inte laughs.

Hypothetical scum-inte has more than earned the right not to be lynched today.

On the other hand, scum-BK has done nothing to earn ANYTHING today.

If you are not voting him today, you essentially are saying that you believe him to be confirmed town.

I believe him to be town, yes.

Look at his behavior. To be town he would have needed for forget his role TWICE in a very short time period.

I have seen townies forget their role many times. I have done it myself.

Townies care less about appearing consistent. Surely if you had a brain you'd know this.

What tracker forgets they are a tracker and then forgets that they can you know... TRACK somepony? Scum fakeclaiming tracker does.

I have done the exact same fucking thing.

Will put up other stuff tonight but he is scum.

Pretend for a second that inte is town. Who's scum then?

UN needs to get past the tunnel vision if he is town

Who am I tunneling on? BK? Hell no. He's scum and needs to be lynched but I obviously have the big picture in mind here too. Or weren't you paying attention?

im not feeling a UN-inte pairing

That would be literally and physically impossible.

and what is going to happen if BK is town is we mislynch him, inte has us lynch a town doc or something, then we lynch inte who is going to start with "oh bus driver" tactics to maybe be able to save himself because at that point its going to be getting near lylo.

If inte is scum and BK is town I will paypal you money when the game is over. Lots of it.

Are you willing to do the same about inte-town and BK-scum? Because holy shit RBD.

He is so scum its not even funny.

You're talking about BK right? I agree.

[UberNinja]

@RBD: Who do you want the docs to protect tonight?

Also,
UNVOTE:

Holy fuck, why the hell are people actually listening to RBD and asking him what they should do.

What the fucking fuck.

[UberNinja]

Of all of them, inte's is certainly weirdest. It doesn't make any sense to forget your Role PM as Town. Especially a PR.

I have done the exact same thing. Exactly.

Did you read my posts about BK?

[UberNinja]

Im gonna continue that line of reasoning, so people see why alarm bells just went off in my head.

If only 4 pr claims are true, than there's three scum among {Bit, near, dms, jf, djd, inte, ms}. I just dont see that.

That means at least 1 of the VT claims is a lie.

Take the two together, and you get 1/6 > 1/7, and more reason to keep potential pr's alive than potential vt's.

DLG, why arent you scum?

Of course one of the VT claims is a lie. BK's scum, duh.

You don't know that DLG isn't scum.

[UberNinja]

Given the choice, scum would want us to mislynch a power role instead of a vt. Given little time/thought, scum would claim vt instead of a powerrole that could get them trapped (a worstcase scenario if we only had a few roles).

fucking THIS^

This is

exactly

why inte should not be lynched and BK should. Stop fucking listening to RainbowDerp and listen to someone with a proven track record of gut scum reads and secret town wizardry to the extent that scum fears me fucking shadow.

Everyone who has played with me before knows I'm not an idiot when it comes to finding scum. If you want proof read Open 398 or Open 408.

Fucking 5/5 scum lynches, all led by me.

This includes players like drmyshotgun and BK. Drmyshotgun was in both games, once as town and once as scum. RachMarie was in at least one of the games if not both. Why the hell they aren't sheeping me to high heaven, I can only imagine. One of them is probably scum with BK, come to think of it. HEHEHEHAHAHAHAHAHA

Also take a look at Newbie 1249, where I

called both scum on page fucking FIVE

(which RachMarie was also there to witness). Nobody listened, and I was killed on Night 1. The next two days, both scum are lynched due to awesome fucking play by my buddy MattP.

Not too toot my own horn or anything.





So where does that leave us, Rainbowdash?

[UberNinja]

oops

[UberNinja]

good gut feeling, unfortunately it's probably wrong

this town is just incompetent

[UberNinja]

@Uber: If BK flips scum, what alignment do you think RBD is?

I was leaning very scum early on but that's actually been mitigated a lot by my recent exchanges with him and also by something I read of Hyperion's.

[UberNinja]

Almost certainly town on inte.

Why does the BK wagon give you bad vibes? Because somebody other than you started it? Pshhhh

Also:

You forgot to go back like I asked and tell me one pro-town thing BK201 has done. You can come out of the corner when you do.

[UberNinja]

I have a question Uber I know you have a very good record on finding scum, but why are you so SURE that Inte is town? His posting has been chaotic at best and well rather annoying at times. The constant changes on his claim bother me.

Do you think scum goes out of their way to be chaotic/annoying?
Do you think scum would really bungle their claim(s) that badly?

Answer these questions, and you'll have answered yourself.

[UberNinja]

Why does the BK wagon give you bad vibes? Because somebody other than you started it? Pshhhh

I can get behind wagons I dont start. This one feels wrong though since its noise driven. When wagons are noise driven they tend to be more likely mislynches unless its somepony who I trust a whole lot with being able to read correctly, which I dont in this case. Timing too of in the MIDDLE of massclaim also is a bit of a flag. Feel like it was an attempt to put brakes on it.

Plus BK is town if inte is scum, and inte is probably scum so im not touching the BK wagon.

Excellent. You've responded. You still haven't told me one pro-town thing BK's done, but I'll overlook that for now.

If you can get behind wagons you don't start, then this is 100% the time to prove it. This wagon is not noise driven in any respect. The only person vocal about BK's lynch is me, myself, and I. There is no rush for deadline. There is no OMGUS. There is no "I don't like you from another game so :angryface:!!!1" There is no elaborate trickery going on from my part; obviously I just hadn't read the game yet and now that I can I've found scum for you guys. I was busy before, I'm less busy now. There is literally no reason not to join this wagon. I have CALMLY and REASONABLY (heh ) explained why BK201 is scum. You should sheep me. Just think of how good it will feel when he flips scum and YOU were the one to say "Okay fine, I'll be on this wagon because I'm a boss." It will feel good

all over.

Additionally, I have proven I can be trusted to read correctly. Have you not read any of my posts with gratuitous links to past successes, and miss that I have read BK with 100% accuracy in the past? As for timing being in the middle of massclaim, obviously has to do with that being the point where I stopped being busy and came back to the thread after having prod-dodged almost exclusively for weeks on end. If you didn't notice that, you're more dense than I thought.

You should a) vote BK201, and b) stop being obtuse.

[UberNinja]

Plus BK is town if inte is scum, and inte is probably scum so im not touching the BK wagon.

Also what the fuck is this? False dichotomy much?

BK is 100% fucking obvscum, and you're

ignoring it

because of bad town play by inte? You're fucking kidding me, right?

[UberNinja]

Everyone who has played with me before knows I'm not an idiot when it comes to finding scum. If you want proof read Open 398 or Open 408.

Fucking 5/5 scum lynches, all led by me.

This includes players like drmyshotgun and BK. Drmyshotgun was in both games, once as town and once as scum. RachMarie was in at least one of the games if not both. Why the hell they aren't sheeping me to high heaven, I can only imagine. One of them is probably scum with BK, come to think of it. HEHEHEHAHAHAHAHAHA

I was sheeping you on BK. You are hallucinating in this game.

Until you left to join the derp-inte wagon.

Don't think re-voting for BK201 clears you, boyo!
But bussing your buddy is fine by mua so thanks

[UberNinja]

Uber is 100% fucking obvscum.

hahahahaha

wait, remind me, when was the last time you said this?

OH RIGHT

[UberNinja]

He knows I'm an easy mislynch and is just going to go after rainbow after me.

or drm or rach, whoever isn't scum with him.

so who are my scumbuddies then?

OH WAIT, it's pure scum-OMGUS so you haven't thought that far ahead yet, amirite?

[UberNinja]

I was mocking you.

you don't have to pretend you don't want to be like me

it's ok, a lot of people do <3

[UberNinja]

Oh, please.

BK201's head on a pike beckons to you, and you would lynch another? Don't make me destroy you.

Vote: BK201

[UberNinja]

Somehow, "I told you so" about inte... JUST doesn't cut it.

-UberWillja Smith

[UberNinja]

I'm gonna sit around and wait while you guys break the setup for a bit but I'll be back screaming for BK's blood before long.

Just to let you guys know, we are not going to lynch anybody else today. BK is the one that will die. It has been written.

[UberNinja]

As I said it would.

[UberNinja]

Still probably town; I tend to think the attempt at helping was genuine if misguided.

Have you read my posts about RBD? Why don't you go do some work for yourself?

[UberNinja]

So the case on me is "PR who said they would do X lied" to try and clear a player they thought is strong? What about DJD trying the other thing and eliminating a mislynch in Rach/BK? What about them just taking a middle of the road shot to clear and trusting im town?

Ok, actually maybe RBD

is

scum.

The inte lynch was a good one

No.

because he was legitimately scummy.

No.

You do realize massclaim still worked pretty much right? A large amount of living doctors just circle protect.

You do realize that we have three claimed doctors that are still alive right?

A large amount of money says that at least one of those doctors is lying.

[UberNinja]

Why. Do you think DLG or Greywing is scum? Tell me why. NOW!!!

Hush. There's no need to get too excited.

If you think about Day 1, DLG started the attack on me pretty early because townmap make a possible scum slip that was exploitable. DLG then used that to rally up a possible wagon on me. The wagon grew quick on ol' townmap and townmap started to panic. Townmap tried to fend of the assault of the horde but throughout that whole day, was tunneled by more and more people. With tunneling, even if a person is town, they'll eventually look scummy.

Anyways very shortly after DLG's attack on me, Greywing took this as opportunity to also lead the charge. Greywing wagonned and used full force to attack me that day. If you look at yesterday's posts, they were pretty much all narrowed at me. DLG and/or Greywing knew that they can lynch me extremely easily. And even if I died that day and flipped town, they could both say "Oh, he was legitamately scummy. It's not our fault he sucked so bad." and go on their merry way.

I also found it odd that DLG took his vote off me while the wagon was at its peak that day. It's something we should look into.

But alas, this is all WIFOM and I'm just a newb at mafia.

Also, it's probably either DLG or Greywing as scum, not both.

Have I mentioned Bitmap is town?

Cuz he's town.

[UberNinja]

BK is fine. RBD is becoming better but BK is still far and away the best choice.

Nobody fucking listened to me yesterday and instead we lynched our tracker, which was fucking awful.

@ inte if you're following along from the afterlife: *bro fist* man!

[UberNinja]

Simple logic dictates that I

proooobably

think it's one of the other ones.

[UberNinja]

BK or RBD, people.

This is horrible. Horrible horrible horrible.

[UberNinja]

@JF - The fact that if there is a SK there is exactly one scum in the claimed roles (im discounting odds of three) and if there is no SK you are all town or exactly two scum is nothing? Its one of the following

1) SK in doctor claims, 2 mafia in doctor claims, 1 mafia in VT
2) SK in doctor claims, 3 mafia in VT
3) SK in VT claims, 1 mafia in doctor claims, 2 mafia in VT
4) 2 mafia in doctor claims, 1 mafia in VT
5) 3 mafia in VT

There is your setup. One of these. Its probably 2, 3 or 5, which is why we are lynching VT today.

Well done there Sherlock! NO SHIT we're lynching a VT today.

So where's your BK vote? Hmmmmm?

[UberNinja]

Also a nice piece Uber said, "BK has done nothing pro-town all game". That's not true, but let me ask you, what the hell has Uber done?? He has NOTHING on me, so when I flip then what? Oh right, he'll just say "Darn I guess I can't be right all of the time! RBD is scum!"

Just watch.

So you think RBD is scum then, yes?

[UberNinja]

Did you read my posts about BK?

Yes. I can see where you're coming from, but answer me this question.

What was the impact of BK201's L-1 vote on Bitmap?

I want this answered, UberNinja.

Reactions. Bitmap and Greywing, specifically.

Also, why did you ignore this at the end of Day 1?

If it was posted between my final post and inte's lynch, it was because I was not around.

[UberNinja]

Actually reading RBD and BK's interactions on this page have made me think BK's town against all odds including sanity.

Vote: DLG

[UberNinja]

That post makes my head hurt, BK.

Don't make any more of those.

p-edit: Not that one, the one above it.

[UberNinja]

@BK: You're funny. You do realize the reason we might win this is because we got lucky with all the PRs, right? If we only were to get 3-4 PRs, this strategy would of been really bad. Uber's using logic which I prefer instead of PoE which would of failed if we weren't this lucky.

I use a lot of PoE too, for the record

[UberNinja]

I see you online UN. Got 30 minutes or so for an AIM-esq exchange here?

I was updating my modded game which just transitioned into a new day, so that took a little while.

I'll be back on in about 20-30 minutes. Go ahead and ask all your questions/make your points, so I can come back and have something to do.

[UberNinja]

Unvote

for now...

[UberNinja]

I'm free off and on; I can't guarantee anything, and if you want to have a rapid-fire discussion with me, just get on as often as possible and post as much as possible.

This day isn't going to last forever. And I'm not anywhere near convinced of your alignment either way.

[UberNinja]

I'm here right now, and should be able to talk off and on for the next while. Let's do this.

[UberNinja]

Alright. Setup breakage time? Let's see.

I am 90% confident that JohnnyFarrar is town via pure probability.
I am 90% confident that Bitmap is town via... certain other things.

Now, we have 3 living doctors. Tonight, no matter who is lynched, they should all protect someone of their own choosing. Claiming who they're going to protect is BEYOND retarded. Whoever EVER suggested that they claim their targets beforehand is ridiculously stupid, or, scum.

Who was it?

Was it RBD?


Anyway, the people left alive that I haven't crossed off the to-lynch list yet are:
BK201
DLG
drmyshotgun
Greywing
Rainbowdash
Near
Rachmarie

Now, we do have a lot of power role claims. We're down 3 already, and we have 3 more claimed still alive.

Imo this game is either full of good scum, or full of bad and lucky scum. And this game feels too well handled so far to be a bunch of bad scum. Bitmap is clearly not scum. And he doesn't look that lucky either, what with his claimed doc target being killed. That makes me think the scum were trying to set him up to take the fall today because "hey one of the docs has to be scum, right? hurr durr vote Bitmap". No. Not happening.

Next point of business is to figure out why DLG isn't confirmed town, and what it would take to confirm him as town.

Well, it'd take a lot to confirm him as town. He's not confirmed town. Here are ways he could be scum.

A. JF is scum and is lying (this SEVERELY cuts down on who could be scum).
B. Scum could have gotten only 2 T's (not too hard to believe with the SIX power roles we've seen so far), and could have ninja-killed scum-DLG while bus driving him with McStab or something. Two birds in one stone; they nearly confirm DLG via JF's JK claim, and they implicate Bitmap as a liar.
C. Both A and B.
D. Probably other stuff too.

So my hypothesis is that EITHER we have a scum team like BK, Near, and VT-X, OR, that somebody smarter like RBD, DLG, and JohnnyFarrar are scum. Which means scum probably orchestrated or heavily utilized the scum claim in some way, no matter which hypothetical team it is.

I'm still trying to figure out which of the combos is more likely.

More later.

[UberNinja]

McStab is a massive threat if town? wtf?

[UberNinja]

Things:

Bitmap is so, so, SO town. Never lynch this slot please, even after I am dead.
I wish I had more time to get to this game today but it has to wait until tomorrow >.<
Rainbowdash is looking ever more likely to be scum with each separate post.

Also:

Votecount 2.04

Greywing - 4 - JohnnyFarrar, drmyshotgun, Bitmap, BK201
RachMarie - 1 - Greywing

Not Voting: Rainbowdash, RachMarie, Near, DLG, UberNinja

With 10 alive it takes 6 to lynch

Deadline: (expired on 2012-08-20 01:16:26)

Bad wagon is

bad

.

If you're on it, you should feel bad and unvote. At least for now.

If Greywing is town and we haven't gotten enough sussed out yet by the end of today (THERE'S 17 DAYS LEFT BTW GUYS) then we are pretty much screwed. So give me some fucking time. Please. Look what happened yesterday when you morons lynched inte. Hurrr durrrrr.

I'll think this through when I have the time, and it will be decent. It will be

more

than decent! It'll be excellent!

Again: I need to re-read, and I'll have a much better grip on the game after I can spend this weekend plowing through the game systematically.

Thank you kindly.

[UberNinja]

I'll be around for the next hour or two on-and-off, and then for a more solid chunk for the next hour or three after that.

[UberNinja]

Figured I would get some chores done before everypony and their mother was off of work, but im back now and should be on for at least the next two hours and then on and off for another after that.

Im here. Lets dance.

How about you just ask me the fucking questions.

Or tell me the fucking answers.

Or whatever the fuck you wanted to be online at the same time to do.






This could go on forever.

[UberNinja]

I was voting BK because I thought he was scum. I left that wagon because I am no longer sure he is scum.
As for my DLG vote, it was honestly just to kick shit around and see what happened.
As for 3, i have no idea. Explain to me why that theory is wrong though, that'd be helpful.

I'm interested to know your deductions on what's happened so far, given the 3 flips, the DLG jail (if JF is town), etc.

[UberNinja]

Also stop saying "maybe town" for JF. He IS town unless you seriously are going to try and sell that we have a SK and two of DMS/Near/Bit are scum, at least one of those with him.

This is the kind of stuff I need to hear, Mr. All-knowing Mass-Claim Orchestrator.

So based on what you know, what are the possibilities for who's lying?

i.e. Either A, B are lying, or C is lying.

Ready set go.

[UberNinja]

So based on what you know, what are the possibilities for who's lying?

If there is a SK

Either one of DMS/Near/Bit are lying
OR
Three of DMS/Near/Bit/JF are lying

If there is no SK

None of the doctors are lying
OR
Two of DMS/Near/Bit are lying

The amount of players that seem to think there is an SK for absolutely no reason really is concerning me to the fact that there may really be one and they just scumslipped instead of not understanding the setup. If there ever IS proof of an SK, we just decimate the "one of the doctor" claim group and we should rack up the scum lynches.

Its probably one or zero fakeclaims, so I want a VT lynch.

Good. I am satisfied with this post.

[UberNinja]

Now do you have any, say, READS, or SCUMHUNTING you've done? Or is it all conjecture based on the setup?

I'd really like to see some scum reads or town reads, RBD. You've been frightfully thin on those AFAICT.

[UberNinja]

We have results from one single night. It is still difficult to say whether there is SK or not. I agree that, I would lean toward no SK based on the kill action alone.

But based on scuminess alone, I think Bit is scum and no one else in the PR is. So this would translate to existence of SK.

How many times must I fucking say that Bitmap is town? Townnnnn

[UberNinja]

100%?

99.999%

Which is close enough, rofl

[UberNinja]

Now do you have any, say, READS, or SCUMHUNTING you've done? Or is it all conjecture based on the setup?

I'd really like to see some scum reads or town reads, RBD. You've been frightfully thin on those AFAICT.

Rach is town for failure to grasp setup stuff. Its a very reliable town tell and she hit it right on the nose. Even in a varaible setup open game I think the tell holds.

Was trying to figure you-DGL-BK out right now because that should show me who scum is in the VTs, but you keep passing on backing up your pushes.

Grey remains the town read early player, but the wagon on him is one that at least makes me take a second look. The "one in doctors" thing is making me nervous of him, but that has also been dropped by a whole lot of others so its not something to act on until we have really got a little deeper into the game.

BK wagon is still horrible, but horrible wagons can hit scum at times. DGL has been gut town for this entire game but seems to be PoE scum.

Then you... which is where I am a little stuck. I doubt you are scum with BK, and DGL makes little sense with what apparently is a "lol reaction" vote on him when the VTs are taking heat. Then again the unvote from DGL after that looks really town. Either way if you are town it would mean DGL-BK-Grey team which doesnt feel all that likely.

My other big thing is... what happened to BK wagon from day one? That being nonexistant today makes me think something is up.

@DMS/UN/Bit - What changed between D1 and now for you regarding BK?

I think I already know where my vote is headed, just havent really convinced myself that its the right spot due to fear of a mislynch today really threatening to lose this for us.

Are you forgetting that JF jailed DLG?

Also, what if JF is scum and lying, what's the state of the game then, and how easy would it be to shoot a couple bitches and clean up the rest of the game?

[UberNinja]

Top scumspect Uber. Stat.

Grumble...

I don't know. I lost all my reads apparently. I really thought BK was scum but he did something today that I don't remember that I don't want to lynch him for.

Unfortunately I am in two games with a huge player overlap right now, and it's throwing off my reads in both and my motivation goes all to hell when that happens.

I am hereby resolving to restore my motivation. Give me 30 minutes and I'll have something for ya

[UberNinja]

Actually reading RBD and BK's interactions on this page have made me think BK's town against all odds including sanity.

Vote: DLG

He is my biggest VT townread. Explain.

No, YOU explain.

Just because he was jailed last night doesn't mean he's not scum. There are 3 scum (we don't have 5 or more T's in the setup). He could just have not been the one to perform the kill.

[UberNinja]

Also a nice piece Uber said, "BK has done nothing pro-town all game". That's not true, but let me ask you, what the hell has Uber done?? He has NOTHING on me, so when I flip then what? Oh right, he'll just say "Darn I guess I can't be right all of the time! RBD is scum!"

Just watch.

So you think RBD is scum then, yes?

Exactly how did you gather that? I've basically been saying RBD is town in every other post.

So then who do you think is scum?

[UberNinja]

I suppose you're gonna try to dismiss this as just another "mistake". Take your OMGUS vote and shove it down your scummy throat.

Hi false bravado.

Hi scum.

DLG vote stays. JF, sheep me. I don't give a fuck if you jailed him last night.

[UberNinja]

Hey guys I was catching up on the game geez. Still having roomie issues and so on plus NS had his show tonight so I was listening to that.

You cant go by my being online since I am always logged on and use many tabs for different things.


VT

Who do you think is scum Rach?
I want reads, I want em now. and there better be reasons attached


If you're scum in this game, there'll be hell to pay.

[UberNinja]

I have a question Uber I know you have a very good record on finding scum, but why are you so SURE that Inte is town? His posting has been chaotic at best and well rather annoying at times. The constant changes on his claim bother me.

Was I wrong?

Answer: No

[UberNinja]

After the inte lynch yesterday he knows that the credibility of me is a little shot down so he is going to play today loud and strong to push through a mislynch on VT while being sure he doesnt do anything to damage the chance of getting anypony removed from the "is town" pool.

Did you literally just accuse me of playing today loud and strong, and pushing through a mislynch?

And then say I'm refusing to take a stance on anyone in the VT pool? OMG you are terrible. Kill yourself.

[UberNinja]

DLG vote stays. JF, sheep me. I don't give a fuck if you jailed him last night.

This is why I asked for an explanation. I jailed him for a reason, but I'd like to hear your case on him (since, you know, you're in our VT suspect pool as well)

I am not scum any more than Santa Claus is a fucking dinosaur, and you know it.

What's the reason you jailed him? And why were you so quick to clear him?

[UberNinja]

Know what? Fuck this.

Vote: BK201

Nice and vocal at the end of Day 1, but stayed off the inte wagon because he didn't want to appear opportunistic, and the only ONLY only reason I have for thinking he's town is because of a defensive comment he made today to somebody who could very well be his scumbuddy.

So fuck that, and fuck this, and fuck all-y'all.

Let's dance, and I mean POLKA.

[UberNinja]

DLG/BK are the only people I will vote today.

Might as well capitulate or I will scream at you until it damn well happens.
And you fuckers damn well better listen after that SHIT SHOW yesterday.

UberNinja, OUT

[UberNinja]

Bitmap, are you an SK?

[UberNinja]

UN, are you scum?

Hell no.

[UberNinja]

I am not scum any more than Santa Claus is a fucking dinosaur, and you know it.

What's the reason you jailed him? And why were you so quick to clear him?

A) Santa Claus is whatever I want him to be, so come up with a better clear

B) I didn't clear DLG, but he's more townie to me than you are. So tell me why you'd vote him.

Because he's NOT more townie to me than I am. Nor anyone else.

[UberNinja]

Bit protects JF
JF jails one of VT
Near protects DMS
DMS protects Near

Agreed?

You are retarded.

By telling the docs who to protect, we tell the scum exactly who to fucking kill.

[UberNinja]

I am willing to cast my vote on

BK

. Willing to hammer.

Let's flip.

Do it.

[UberNinja]

LOL. I forgot there is roleblock. This is a disaster then. Even if they used stronghold last night, roleblock and bus-drive still remaining probably. There is no such thing as a ring of protection among doctors.

WELL NO SHIT

Why wasn't this brought up earlier?

You mean the possibility that SOME OF THE DOCTORS MIGHT BE SCUM!?!?!?!

Are you fucking serious right now, Near?

[UberNinja]

Actually, fuck it. I want to kill Uber

Vote Uber

.............

I'd laugh out loud in your face but that might be rude.

[UberNinja]

a) get the fuck on the BK wagon

b) bitmap, please protect me tonight. i don't trust either of the other doctor claims

c) rainbowdash needs to die very soon, even though BK is first

[UberNinja]

Wow, at least let me catch up.

look at this post. fucking look at it

scum wants to "catch up"

town wants to LYNCH SCUM

kill it with fire

[UberNinja]

UNVOTE: RachMarie
VOTE: BK201

@RBD, Near: Follow the wagon. I think we can agree that Uber and BK aren't both scum. If this ends up being a mislynch, we autolynch Uber tomorrow as it would basically confirm him as scum.

No. Are you fucking retarded?

One of the two is definitely scum.

No.

BK201 could be town and I could be misreading him. But he is my strongest scum read and I'm not going to throw everything from Day 1 out the window just for one comment he made today.

[UberNinja]

I agree with BK actually. Uber's still a suspect. He won't even explain a scumread to me, so he deserves no protection.

Hmmmm try reading ANY OF MY DAY 1 POSTS JOHNNY

WHERE I WAS FUCKING SCREAMING AT YOU IDIOTS NOT TO LYNCH INTE AND TO LYNCH BK INSTEAD

AND YOU STILL LYNCHED INTE AND HE WAS FUCKING TOWN

Maybe that's why I haven't "explained it to you".

[UberNinja]

UNVOTE: RachMarie
VOTE: BK201

@RBD, Near: Follow the wagon. I think we can agree that Uber and BK aren't both scum. If this ends up being a mislynch, we autolynch Uber tomorrow as it would basically confirm him as scum. One of the two is definitely scum. Why not go for it?

Look at scum lining up lynches knowing I will flip town.

This I can agree with. And this makes me think you're town again. Fuck.

Re-reading Greywing.

[UberNinja]

Actually, no. I repent for my sins.

Greywing is scum. BK201 is probably town.

I will have to re-read more, but this may mean RBD is scum too.

Here is why Greywing is scum.

VOTE: Greywing
for

always

drawing scum.

Did the streak continue this game?

Definitely. This time I'm lynch-proof though .

VOTE: DoubleJD

Hey former scumbuddy!

First thing he looks at is a vote on himself. Scum worry about votes on themselves WAY more than town.

He votes a "former scumbuddy" trying to subconsciously insinuate that he's NOT scum this game. Distancing himself from being scum in people's minds.

@Bitmap:

Really? Two scummy posts this early?

DLG's vote was blatant reaction-fishing. Fact is, you questioned his vote while also voting the same person. That's wierd.

VOTE: Bitmap

This is self explanatory.

But in case it's not clear:

He's trying to make Bitmap look bad for the "two scummy posts thing"

He's voting someone for what is either a completely legitimate derp (attacking somebody for voting the same person you are) or a completely legitimate town action (questioning someone's not-so-great motives for voting someone, regardless of whether or not they're voting the same person as you). This is scummy on Greywing's part.

Greywing is also defending DLG's vote. If Greywing flips scum, which I'm very sure he will, DLG comes under much more suspicion on my part. I could definitely see a Greywing/DLG team.

@Johnny, Shotgun

I know it's early, but anything strike you guys as scummy so far?

Hey, are you guys scumhunting? If not, why not? P.S. Look at how town I am, asking people who's scum! Look at it!

@DLG - How the hell am I supposed to know who's scum and why on page 3? You tell me first.

So basically your strategy is to sit around and twiddle your thumbs while everyone else scumhunts for you?

Look guys! drmyshotgun isn't scumhunting!!! Look at it!!

I'm at least making an effort.

I'm town! Look at me making effort! Look at it!!!

I think GreyWing is a hypocrite. Scummy of him to ask me and Johnny the question on page 2.

What's hypocritical about my actions exactly? I picked up a scum read and, at the time I posted, you two had both posted minutes before. I wanted discussion.

Scum wants to know why town thinks he's scum. Big scum tell here. Seen this many, many times.

Unvote, Vote:Bitmap

You concede that there was one scummy post in the first place?

Where did I say that?

I just asked for him to point out which posts that he thought were scummy. How does one defend themselves from an ambiguous attack?

You said that here:

I'm lost. Where's the second scrummy post?

You acknowledged that you'd already made one scummy post, and wanted to know what the second was.

Trying to indirectly make a rather derpy player (Bitmap) look scummy again... in other words, exactly what scum like to do.

@ Bitmap
See above, but worse for being fourth.

What's scummy about me wanting a wagon on a player that hadn't posted?

My post was there for you to see. Explain how you could, at the same time, join the wagon I called for, and call it scummy

after

andrew94 expressed some problem with my post.

I just thought it was scummy for you to do that this early. I "joined the wagon" apparently cause I made a random vote due to his avatar during RVS.

So, why did you decide to switch from one random vote to another? Coincidentally, moving your vote to the person with a growing wagon?

And again.

I'm convinced.

Unvote; Vote: Greywing

[UberNinja]

Maybe I don't have much confidence in you. :/

You're even newer than me, and you seem to worship Uber because of open 408. So yeah I don't have a lot of confidence in you that you will make the right choice and not protect him. If I flip and you still protect him I have no words.

There's no sense worshiping me. I'm wrong sometimes just like everyone else.

I'm just wrong less often.

[UberNinja]

I dont want scum QT posted.

Bit doesnt deserve this at all. Im basically the only reason he didnt die early, he played suboptimally the entire game, and in the end his wins because town derps hard and game throws (really NK immune Bit hands scum the game?).

Crap play all over, win condition is messed up badly. Whoever made the win conditions, Bit for playing poorly and stumbling into a win, Psyche for not posing what I told him to in the QT, kunk and trevor for game throwing... This game was stupid.

@DMS - This game was a forced draw. Town fucked it up and gave SK a win. What WAS supposed to be done - No kill, 1:1:2 endgame, no one can kill. At that point Bit is forced between surrendering a forced draw and small chance of a win by killing a doc and thats it.

This is the least deserved win ive ever seen a SK take. Bit only didnt die because I kept them alive the entire game because I figured there was no way a SK would play that badly. Its not like it was intentional play either.

Yes im bitter because I lost a game where I cant really have played any better only to get robbed by a shit win condition, shit SK play, and then game throwing town. Nothing else to say.

Will say it again though

I do not want scum QT posted

lol cry some more

[UberNinja]

How the hell did Bitmap win this? Wow.

Congrats Bit, well-deserved win.

This.