Open 421-Pamplona II: Electric Bullgaloo! Game over

[RachMarie]

No fair all the ones I wanted are taken



VOTE: Hyperion For taking the name of one of my favorite SF series by Dan Simmons.

[RachMarie]

DLG and Grey make good points here. And to answer BK's question No I am not afraid to put a 2nd vote on someone or even a 3rd or so on, right up to the hammer. BUT I like to have something to go on for that not just RVS. Now that discussion seems to be starting...

UNVOTE:

You seem kinda fishy here.... Mind explaining yourself a tad more? Besides the points already made it is quite possible for scum to make towny points and town to make scummy points, but the mindset usually varies. You seem more focused on worrying about appearing scummy. Scum know they are scum, and that can affect their mindset.

VOTE: Bitmap

[RachMarie]

Wow I am really feelin the love here from near how about you Johnny and Gunny?

[RachMarie]

@ JD

Umm I think we are moving past RVS into real votes now... Do you have anything else besides his avatar?

[RachMarie]

Will do more this weekend I have night 2 of the sleep study tonight and they said yes I had to go because my oxygen dropped like 25 times the first night. So I probably do have sleep apnea

[RachMarie]

Ya you're right. UNVOTE: VOTE: rachmarie, beause you're piggy backing and wrote two paragraphs to defend what still amounts to a RV

THIS at least is a bit of a case though minimal one. What DLG, Grey and I pointed out was a case though minimal, and was getting us out of RVS..

@Bitmap:

Really? Two scummy posts this early?

DLG's vote was blatant reaction-fishing. Fact is, you questioned his vote while also voting the same person. That's wierd.

VOTE: Bitmap

scum

DLG and Grey make good points here. And to answer BK's question No I am not afraid to put a 2nd vote on someone or even a 3rd or so on, right up to the hammer. BUT I like to have something to go on for that not just RVS. Now that discussion seems to be starting...

UNVOTE:

You seem kinda fishy here.... Mind explaining yourself a tad more? Besides the points already made it is quite possible for scum to make towny points and town to make scummy points, but the mindset usually varies. You seem more focused on worrying about appearing scummy. Scum know they are scum, and that can affect their mindset.

VOTE: Bitmap

scum

my work here is done

This is not a case... Do you have anything else?

[RachMarie]

LOL Cute Gunny, you DO know that Meta is always scum, even when he derps badly and forgets he is lol, hes a cool dude though, just always scummy.


Off to get ready for the sleep study will do more this weekend.

[RachMarie]

VOTE: Inte This is ridiculous and not at all helpful to town.

[RachMarie]

TBH Grey, you just got in before I did. Inte has not been useful to finding scum in this game, and he is being a total distraction to the town here.

[RachMarie]

umm McStab Uber replaced in for Andrews

Pedit and ninja'd by Gunny

[RachMarie]

he (Grey) was a VERY good scum in N 1227 his first game I think if Thor had not replaced in that game when he did scum would have won. I do not know about his other games though.

[RachMarie]

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=21538 (Newbie 1227)

[RachMarie]

In N 1227 we would have either mislynched me or mislynched Mhork who I REALLY did think was scum

[RachMarie]

I am pretty sure Uber is town this is typical of his townie play.

[RachMarie]

ahh no I have played in several games with Uber and he was town in all of them I have not seen him play as scum, so I am not sure how he would play as scum.

[RachMarie]

I said pretty sure not FOR SURE 100%. At this point, I have not ruled out anyone as confirmed town or scum.

[RachMarie]

Sorry it took so long, but I have spent 3 days trying to reach my dad to find out if he was coming down this weekend to find out he had a bad week with the chemo and radiation this week. He is going to try next weekend and let me know by Thursday night. Also STILL waiting on my results from the sleep study.

[RachMarie]

@ Dashie

Could you explain a little more why a mass claim? I have mainly been in Newbie games with a few Open games under my belt and those setups in general a mass claim is a bad idea.


To all sorry I have been so lacking on posts it has been a rough couple of weeks.

[RachMarie]

I don't like Johnny
VOTE: Johnny
Maybe I'll ISO him

What kind of vote is that?

[RachMarie]

Hey guys I was catching up on the game geez. Still having roomie issues and so on plus NS had his show tonight so I was listening to that.

You cant go by my being online since I am always logged on and use many tabs for different things.


VT

[RachMarie]

Johnny

[RachMarie]

Wait a minute isn't a role cop a mafia position? It usually is, at least in most of the games I have played.

[RachMarie]

Yes I read the setup on JK9++ and it is VERY confusing. a lot of statistical math which is not my strong suit. My eyes kinda glazed over after a while. Even Dashie's explanation of how we were to mass claim, I had to read two or three times before it made sense.

(Of course lately my brain has not been functioning fully with all the stress around here and such).

Yeah I play a lot of newbies which are the 2 of 4 setup. And even the Open game I am modding is basically like a newbie game but with 2 picked out PRs (tracker and JK) and it is called JK9.

[RachMarie]

I have a question Uber I know you have a very good record on finding scum, but why are you so SURE that Inte is town? His posting has been chaotic at best and well rather annoying at times. The constant changes on his claim bother me.

[RachMarie]

I have a gut read since I have not had a chance thanks to a lot of shit in RL happening to focus on a lot of ISO research which I use to provide a case for my vote. There is something about you that sets off my scumdar Inte and I need to peg what that is.

Now that things are settling down in RL I should be able to do more ISO research and my brain should be functioning better.

[RachMarie]

Uber is playing like he usually does at least from my experience where he was town in those games. He is always cocky when he is town.

I like Uber too ♥ But that does not mean I always AGREE with him on everything. There is a difference tween liking someone and agreeing with them as you are doing Inte.

[RachMarie]

Sure hang on will get a couple games though the best one of all was mostly lost in the crash and that is N 1206.

[RachMarie]

Here are a couple of games that show what I mean Inte

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... &start=950

(Newbie 1249)
Where Uber quotes all the praise given him for figuring out the scum team.


http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... start=1600

Open 408
(Mod error in this one or we would have had it cinched)



and yeah complaining about my vote on you (which was only ONE vote mind you), and yet keeping a vote on Johnny uhh Pot and Kettle much?

[RachMarie]

really? you guys don't see anything scummy with putting someone at L-1 with a "sheep" vote?

that would warrant an instant day-vig from me

go sheep my vote and stop being touchy with my language

do i have to explain mafia principle to you?

wagons are formed to test reactions. not just reactions from the person being wagoned, but reactions from everyone in the game

if you put someone to L-1 from a sheep vote and someone who legitimately thinks the person is scummy hammers you would basically get a pardon for the lynch - something scum want

go get lynched

... are you being daft on purpose or are you actually scum?

you are the L-1 vote jesus christ

lets lynch bk201 ok?

its like explaining calculus to a primary schooler

SHEEP VOTES ARE OK SOMETIMES, AT L-1 THEY ARE UNACCEPTABLE

THEY LEAVE YOU UNACCOUNTABLE. AS TOWN YOU WANT TO BE AS TRANSPARENT AS POSSIBLE. PEOPLE WONT KNOW IF YOUR VOTE WAS SERIOUS OR WAS BAIT IF YOU LEAVE THE EXPLANATION AS A SHEEP VOTE

WHAT YOU DID IS AS SCUMMY AS A QUICKHAMMER

I put Bitmap at L-1 b/c he apparently had a guilty conscience and thought he had been accused of rolefishing rather than reaction fishing (?)
+ L-1 usually creates pressure. His response seems townish.
UNVOTE:

VoteToReplace: Inte

don't like his trolling. Sad thing is he is probably town b/c in my other game with him we were both scum and he wasn't an idiot there.

Idk where to put my vote, sue me.

THIS IS A LOAD OF SHIT

CAN WE LYNCH THIS GUY

HE DOESN'T EVEN KNOW WHAT HES VOTING FOR

FEIGNED IGNORANCE = SCUM

I KNOW THIS GUY IS CAPABLE OF MORE.

THE "VOTE TO EJACULATE: INTE" IS SHIT TIER TROLLING IN ITSELF

Oh hey, I have more games played than Inte.

Now I feel better.

It wasn't

just

a pressure vote. Nice misrep.

WRONG.

WRONG.

SO YOU PUT HIM AT L-1 FOR A MISUNDERSTANDING AND BECAUSE OF A SHEEP VOTE

COOL

"MISREP"

LOL

ignored

called the cops

notified the fbi

emailed the president

ur done. im not moving my vote today idc

THIS is why I voted for you these posts of yours. So far you have not impressed me as town since then instead with the claim mixup it is more scum points instead of town points.

I like where my vote is

SO why do you think Johnny is scum?

[RachMarie]

No I did not keep my vote on you JUST because of those posts, I kept my vote on you because of

your reaction

to having ONE vote on you (after Grey unvoted you that is and you were still complaining because I had a vote on you), Voting for one dude while pushing another ones lynch, the claim situation, need I go on?

[RachMarie]

I saw scum claim tracker in Open 397 (I was scum in that game and T and P a hydra) who was one of my scum buds fake claimed tracker).

[RachMarie]

btw her vote is still on me for being anti-town

if she flips scum im willing to bet that grey isn't scum

actually, you should hide behind her

[RachMarie]

I thought he was very scummy and the self vote and SK nonsense did not help. I was actually surprised he turned out to be town. We could not trust him to be honest about his role with all the back and forth he did.

BTW I would not automatically assume we do not have an SK since there was doc protection running about, there is a couple of possibilities I could see.

1. SK targets someone that is doc protected or that Johnny jailed and is role blocked.

2. Bus driver might have done something and instead of living because JD hid behind a townie, JD died.

Of course NK analysis is rather WIFOMy but just don't want to see us get too set in stone that there is no SK, personally I think it is more likely that the target was roleblocked for the SK. I think we need to keep the option open until we have more data.

[RachMarie]

Fact of the matter is BK he was right in 408, and has a fairly good track record of being right in a number of other games I have been in with him. N 1249 now is over and well he guessed the scum team early on D 1 and was completely right.

So do you have an actual case of scummy behavior in this game? Or just a case of confirmation bias? (Keeing in mind that both of those games he was town and I know for a fact in one you were scum because I too was in Open 408).

[RachMarie]

@ Bit

Can you elaborate more than I want Grey lynched? Why do you think he is scum? As Uber pointed out we do have time, and do not need to rush the lynch and be missing important info we need as town.

[RachMarie]

What?? I go out to dinner with NS and come back to find you quick hammered Gunny?? WTF?

[RachMarie]

LOL let me rephrase that as that Gunny quickhammered.

[RachMarie]

TBF you are probably right that there was scum on that wagon HOWEVER I may point out that the way Inte played was suspicious with his changing his mind on his roles etc and other things he posted made him SEEM scummy and fake claiming. If I had the tracker role, I would have been far more supportive of helping town win. Though I know having PRs can be a difficult position to be in since I have been there, and I am glad I am not a PR in this case just VT.

Meanwhile, lurking is a null tell, especially since I am trying to catch up on the sheer amount of volume of posts since the day started. I want to sort it out and regroup. I was wrong on Inte, but he just seemed so SCUMMY.

@ Kondi any other comments besides that? Are you pointing that out to try to get town cred for NOT being on that wagon (well that your predecessor was NOT on that wagon?)

@Psyche we know how you feel about Gunny here how do you feel about other players.

[RachMarie]

@ Mod V/LA till tomorrow

(of course this mod already knows that )



Sorry guys but I have to do a THIRD night of the sleep study they have determined I do have moderate sleep apnea and that the regular CPap is not going to work for me so now I have to try the bi-level one

back tomorrow though with more thoughts on this game.

[RachMarie]

@ Mod V/LA till tomorrow

(of course this mod already knows that )



Sorry guys but I have to do a THIRD night of the sleep study they have determined I do have moderate sleep apnea and that the regular CPap is not going to work for me so now I have to try the bi-level one

back tomorrow though with more thoughts on this game.

What part of this did you boys not get? Seems like scum looking for an easy lynch. I had no internet access while I was doing the sleep study. I am back home and I really need a nap did not get much sleep last night with them putting the mask on and off and it beeping a fair bit and having to be readjusted.

I will be then commenting quite a BIT on this game.

[RachMarie]

Actually I was napping seems that I was pretty worn out after the family reunion on Sunday and was sleeping a LOT today.

@ Kondi How is it an autoloss? Town still outnumbers the scum by a LOT. Of course, I would rather nail scum or at the very least the SK that is somewhere out there on the loose... I have to say though it IS a good try at turning things around from Uber's play. I do want to take a good look at your ISO and his together because I still believe your slot is scummy. I have played in a LOT of games with Uber and there is something gut wise that is making feel it is scum and I want to really focus on comparing yours and his ISOs to nail it down.


I am not as sure about the case on Dashie. He has been super active in scum hunting and helping us get a handle on the setup of this game. Toiwnies are not always right about who they lynch after all.

@Bit, Gunny, and Near: I find it very difficult to believe ALL 3 of your doc claims, it seems like it would make the game VERY unbalanced for scum? Especially with a JK, a tracker, and probably an SK. (I realize that an SK is also scummy but they are just as likely to shoot the maf as well as the town players.) Bit has been tunneling me a lot and Near is well Near and Gunny is Gunny. For now I would not feel comfortable with lynching any of them til we can figure out which one is not really a doc. I do not want us to lose our real docs.

BK you have been tunneling a lot. Do you have any specific town reads you feel fairly confident about? And who would you pursue if I come up VT like I claimed? I think you are going after an easy lynch and a bit of confirmation bias since you have been in games with me where I was scum. Same with Gunny too he almost always assumes I am scum in every game. Obviously I am not scum in all my games that is statistically impossible.

I am sorry for not being as active. Things have been pretty hairy for me lately. It is getting better though and this Friday I meet with the sleep doc so hopefully we can find out what can be done to fix my sleep apnea.




Pedit

How can you be so sure they have all of those left BK? Do you think the one who said he protected McStab was lying? or do you think there is an SK and the SK was a strongman SK? Since we have 3 Doc claims that seems much more likely if they are all Docs for true, and they all 3 pick different people to protect, then our odds of them stopping the NK or NKs if there is an SK are pretty good I think.

[RachMarie]

The reason I asked Kondi that was because I was trying to get more info out of him, I find him suspicious mainly based on his predecessor, and I am trying to see if he has anything besides oh you must be scum cause others say you are...

I always have a tab set for mafia among the other about 16 to 20 tabs I have open on FF plus usually have a couple tabs or so on Chrome too since I both play and work from my computer online.

[RachMarie]

bahh it is almost 1 AM guys

I will do ISO research tomorrow and show why I think Kondi aka Uber is scum.

[RachMarie]

VOTE: Kondi




This is getting ridiculous I am going with my primary scumspect here. Kondi has not changed my view of Uber's play much.

[RachMarie]

Umm he is currently asleep but I am sure he will post as soon as he can.

[RachMarie]

Hey all we JUST got internet access back NS will finish up his modding duties here soon.

I am sorry about RL and then the internet crashing messing up my play here

Had I had net I would have encouraged them to lynch Bit and show how it would help town to do so to prevent him winning. I had to do a night action without even having the game to look at because I had no internet and time was running out everyone was waiting for my NK

I am so sorry to everyone. Being without access to the net SUCKS

I don't know why Dashie does not want to release the Mafia QT I have no problem with releasing it myself.

[RachMarie]

Sorry Johnny could not risk a JK they are too powerful.

Just so everyone knows DLG really did have to replace out of all his games not cause he was scum in this one.

[RachMarie]

Actually thanks to stupid AT and T I did not get a chance to say my words oh well. At least we have internet again now for the future.