Open 421-Pamplona II: Electric Bullgaloo! Game over

[Greywing]

VOTE: Greywing
for

always

drawing scum.

Did the streak continue this game?

Definitely. This time I'm lynch-proof though .

VOTE: DoubleJD

Hey former scumbuddy!

[Greywing]

@Bitmap:

Really? Two scummy posts this early?

DLG's vote was blatant reaction-fishing. Fact is, you questioned his vote while also voting the same person. That's wierd.

VOTE: Bitmap

[Greywing]

1.

vote:JohnnyFarrar

I can't

trust that avatar

Ironic eh?

VOTE: McStab

2.

Definitely.

Damn shame, that. We'll have to put that lynch-proof thing to the test, though.

VOTE: mcstab

Last to confirm, die scum!

This looks like the closest thing to something worth voting for.

Let's make it a wagon.

UNVOTE: Greywing
VOTE: McStab

Are my eyes deceiving me? Is that a scum-move bandwagon this early?

I also love how your initial reaction was "which of my posts are scummy?" rather then explaining your actions.

[Greywing]

^Do tell.

[Greywing]

@Johnny, Shotgun

I know it's early, but anything strike you guys as scummy so far?

[Greywing]

@DLG - How the hell am I supposed to know who's scum and why on page 3? You tell me first.

So basically your strategy is to sit around and twiddle your thumbs while everyone else scumhunts for you?

[Greywing]

I'm at least making an effort.

[Greywing]

Explain to me the scum motivation behind these two posts. I think I know one, but not the other.

Also I take it you guys haven't played with Gunny before?

#1 was a random vote. By itself, it's not scummy. What was scummy was the fact that he attacked DLG for voting the exact same person. It was pretty clear that DLG was testing for reactions with his vote, and Bitmap bit (pun not intended.)

Never played with him before. Is this his regular playstyle?

[Greywing]

I think GreyWing is a hypocrite. Scummy of him to ask me and Johnny the question on page 2.

What's hypocritical about my actions exactly? I picked up a scum read and, at the time I posted, you two had both posted minutes before. I wanted discussion.

[Greywing]

Unvote, Vote:Bitmap

You concede that there was one scummy post in the first place?

Where did I say that?

I just asked for him to point out which posts that he thought were scummy. How does one defend themselves from an ambiguous attack?

You said that here:

I'm lost. Where's the second scrummy post?

You acknowledged that you'd already made one scummy post, and wanted to know what the second was.

@ Bitmap
See above, but worse for being fourth.

What's scummy about me wanting a wagon on a player that hadn't posted?

My post was there for you to see. Explain how you could, at the same time, join the wagon I called for, and call it scummy

after

andrew94 expressed some problem with my post.

I just thought it was scummy for you to do that this early. I "joined the wagon" apparently cause I made a random vote due to his avatar during RVS.

So, why did you decide to switch from one random vote to another? Coincidentally, moving your vote to the person with a growing wagon?

[Greywing]

So you say you support andrew's vote but think that Greywig and RachMarie are just sheeping?

Let's look at the past posts.

bandwagon his ass

unvote vote bitmap

You are really supporting THIS post out of all the other votes on me? Are you serious? Rach at least gave 2 paragraphs explaining her argument to why I possibly might be scum. Grey pointed out that your post is reaction-fishing me. However, you support the guy who posts NO reason to why he voted for me besides "Hurrr durr I'ma bandwagon like a tard."

Yeah, no.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: DLG

Andrew's vote is most likely Town-aligned since I highly doubt scum would draw attention to themselves like that. Rach's vote is the most suspicious, since she's the only one who hasn't come up with her own points. For now though, she remains a null read. The wagon on her is interesting though.

DLG's leaning Town for me right now, and your case is flawed. Bitscum needs more votes.

[Greywing]

Sure, DLG. I go to all that effort ripping him apart, and you post it before me .

[Greywing]

I like grey and gunny as town. DLG town for thinking so as well and thinking bit might be an alt. That seems like a genuine town conclusion/question. Bit's wagon started from nothing (the initial reasons are reaction testing at best), and got a ton of support. However, i dont see reason to think shes scum. Theres too many silent ppl to wagon her this fast when we all know her join date.

Also UNVOTE:

If you're not seeing Bitscum, is there anyone on his wagon that looks scummy? Also, Bit's played in a few games already, so I think the join date's irrelevant at this point.

Also, I noticed something. DLG and Greywing have been tunneling me really hard lately. And the fact that you two don't mind working together to get rid of me ticks that you two might know more than us. I mean as town, you wouldn't buddy/buddy so easily there.

I'm fairly content with my vote and you can shove that OMGUS claim up your scum butthole.

Yes, because the fact that both DLG and myself have a scum read on you clearly means we're buddying scum .

[Greywing]

I like grey and gunny as town. DLG town for thinking so as well and thinking bit might be an alt. That seems like a genuine town conclusion/question. Bit's wagon started from nothing (the initial reasons are reaction testing at best), and got a ton of support. However, i dont see reason to think shes scum. Theres too many silent ppl to wagon her this fast when we all know her join date.

Also UNVOTE:

Not particularly. I dont expect many scum to be on it anyway just because its a super early wagon. Whats more interesting to me, is the people not interested in it at all. Like mr bk201 for example.

VOTE: bk201, talk to me baby. Whatcha thinking about? Are you pro or anti bit!

Hyperion, im no veteran mafiascum player and all, but it seems to me that reading the thread is beneficial to playing the game.

Also, why are you defending bk?

Just gonna keep this for future reference.

Looking forward to your Bitmap reads, JD.

[Greywing]

Point 3) Would you be interested in why youre being attacked as town? I would. He got 2-4 votes very quickly over nothing. My response as both town/scum would be "wait wut" So Null again. The tunneling thing is just misuse of the word >.> I got called out for using omgus wrong as town in my last game.

There's a bit of a difference between questioning why you're being attacked and "what's my second scummy post?"

The first instance is a legitimate reaction and if that were the case, I'd agree it was a null tell. That's not what Bit did. Bit essentially acknowledged that he'd made a scummy post, and asked what his other one was. That's not a Town reaction.

And no, he's not accidently misusing "tunneling." He knows what it means and legitimately believes that's what is happening.

[Greywing]

Unvote

What the hell was that, BK?

[Greywing]

Unvote

What the hell was that, BK?

Wait, why did you unvote?

Because although I currently have a scum read on you, having you at L-1 on page 5 when you're basically the only person Town has discussed is terrible.

[Greywing]

Unvote

What the hell was that, BK?

Wait, why did you unvote?

Because although I currently have a scum read on you, having you at L-1 on page 5 when you're basically the only person Town has discussed is terrible.

Couldn't you use the L-1 as pressure on me?

In two of my previous three games, Town players have stupidly quickhammered on D1. I'd rather avoid having that happen again until I can get some more reads on other players.

VoteToReplace: Inte

don't like his trolling. Sad thing is he is probably town b/c in my other game with him we were both scum and he wasn't an idiot there.

^Seconded.

[Greywing]

@BK:

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 0#p4000220

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 2#p4059112

[Greywing]

@Greywing: I don't think anyone outside of a non-newbie game would do a lynch on L-1 without interrogating and seeing reaction. However, I guess I'm still a newbie myself.

This is my first non-Newbie game, and the person in my second link was an SE. I'd rather err on the side of caution.

[Greywing]

VOTE: Inte

Policy lynch.

[Greywing]

Echoing what Johnny said, these last couple pages have been ridiculous. The only person who's posted anything of value since my last post is Shotgun.

VOTE: Inte This is ridiculous and not at all helpful to town.

I've made two serious votes in this game so far. You've immediately sheeped me both times. That's setting off alarm bells for me, Rach.

[Greywing]

Echoing what Johnny said, these last couple pages have been ridiculous.

The only person who's posted anything of value since my last post is Shotgun.

Your perspective is subjective honestly and DMS has been beating the bush for most of my inquiries towards his reasoning which in all honesty doesn't make sense.

Actually, no, he's legitimately calling people out for terrible play. Your entire case on him is that he doesn't agree with your weak case on both myself and DLG.

TBH Grey, you just got in before I did. Inte has not been useful to finding scum in this game,

and he is being a total distraction to the town here.

Looks like we have a few of those, unfortunately.

[Greywing]

Greywing has thrown up enough red flags to resurrect the USSR:
1. He asked Gunny and me specifically for reads in 34,
2. started a ridiculously strong early wagon on newbie play,
3. unvotes in 117 for seemingly no reason,
4. and started that policy lynch nonsense.

VOTE: Greywing

...seriously?

1.

I think GreyWing is a hypocrite. Scummy of him to ask me and Johnny the question on page 2.

What's hypocritical about my actions exactly? I picked up a scum read and, at the time I posted, you two had both posted minutes before. I wanted discussion.

2. Which got all the way to L-1. I'm hardly the only one who believed him to be scum.

3.

Unvote

What the hell was that, BK?

Wait, why did you unvote?

Because although I currently have a scum read on you, having you at L-1 on page 5 when you're basically the only person Town has discussed is terrible.

Couldn't you use the L-1 as pressure on me?

In two of my previous three games, Town players have stupidly quickhammered on D1. I'd rather avoid having that happen again until I can get some more reads on other players.

4. I stand by it. His play has been a blatant attempt at pissing people off, and he's playing anti-Town. He's a distraction.

[Greywing]

Actually, no, he's legitimately calling people out for terrible play. Your entire case on him is that he doesn't agree with your weak case on both myself and DLG.

It's pressure voting. And his logic doesn't make any sense if he accuses me and Inte of what you and DLG did on the first page. And the wagon was already starting on BK when inte joined it and then later, me.

Here's your problem:

Having the same scum read as another player is not the same as buddying.

We clear now?

And now I'm logging off because this game is frustrating the hell out of me.

[Greywing]

@Johnny: I'm skipping points #1 and #2 because it's just going to degrade into a "No I wasn't" "Yes you were!" argument.

3.

In two of my previous three games, Town players have stupidly quickhammered on D1. I'd rather avoid having that happen again until I can get some more reads on other players.

So rather than sticking to your guns against someone you perceive as scum, you back off because you're scared they might die?

I don't want a player hammered on page 5. I find him scummy, but I'm not so completely certain of it that I'm willing to waste a day by killing him off early. He was the only player at that point who read scummy to me, and I didn't want to be completely blind on D2 because we rushed through D1.

4. I stand by it. His play has been a blatant attempt at pissing people off, and he's playing anti-Town. He's a distraction.

Even if it means ending the day, possibly killing a townie and letting another die for sure in the nightphase without getting anything done, you're ok with it?

If I wanted the day to end quickly without much getting done, why did I unvote when Bitmap was L-1?

Anyways, this is the last time that I'll be discussing Inte unless I see him do something blatantly scummy. The continued discussion about him, and not his alignment, is proving my point about him being a distraction to the Town.

@Greywing: Had same scum read as inte for a bit. Your point?

Umm...what?

[Greywing]

@DMS:

Hey DMS, remember our last game where Rach was the doc?
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=51&t=22080 <- This game finished. Don't kill my corpse please
ISO her posts and just scroll down casually. Her posts never really had any content and she was always playing it safe and such. However, part of it was when she was VLA. And ironically, she ended up being the doctor? Do you think Rach has a pro-town PR this time and is trying to not cause attention to herself?

VOTE: Bitmap

[Greywing]

Greywing - Null. Tunnelling Bitmap a fair bit, but many of his points make sense. @Greywing - What do you make of him asking why you unvoted him? Do you think this is a plausible scum reaction, or more likely town? Obviously your reasons for thinking that would be great to go with it.

It gave me some doubts, as I believed he'd try to start a wagon on me. It read well to me.

That being said, he's gone completely crazy since I voted him again: claiming OMGUS on me, and I read his discussion with Uber as paranoid scum. I hate his interaction with Gunny as well. I feel good about a Bitmap lynch at this point.

[Greywing]

Greywing, you've really never been town once in your past games? 0_o

Yeah, it's been rather amusing .

Here's my games:

Newbie 1227: http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=21538

Newbie 1238: http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=21939

Newbie 1247: http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=22219

[Greywing]

ahh no I have played in several games with Uber and he was town in all of them I have not seen him play as scum, so I am not sure how he would play as scum.

So, if you've never seen him play as scum, how are you so certain that he's Town?

[Greywing]

I still don't see how you can get a Town read from him based on his meta, when you have no idea how he plays as scum. His scum meta could be very similar.

[Greywing]

Near needs votes, now.

Other acceptable votes are RachMarie and Bitmap.

Upon re-read, I wonder if I'm falling prey to thinking Bitmap is just too scummy to be scum. There's so much that is scummy in his posts.

My preference is a Bitmap lynch, and I'd be good with a Rach lynch if the Bitmap wagon doesn't happen. I don't like how Rach's been sheeping me like crazy, and is posting with no content whatsoever. I'm not seeing Near though. He hasn't done enough either way to warrant a read yet.

@ Greywing
I don't see how inte attacking BK201 over BK201's L-1 vote on Bitmap is a distraction or anti-Town. What were you seeing, there?

There was a point where the focus wasn't on his alignment or his reads, it was on his attitude, and his general play was pissing me off. Admittedly, he's improved quite a bit since, and I'm getting Town vibes from him so I don't want to see him lynched now.

4) DJD isnt dead. This is confusing since he is scum.
5) Bitmap is probably town given the L-1 reaction of actually attacking BK.

Vote DoubleJD

4) He pinged my scumdar a bit earlier on in the day (I quoted a couple of his posts for future reference, I'll find them after I'm done here.) He's gone a bit on the backburner though. Why him over some of the other wagons so far?
5) I agree that that reaction read Townie, but he's been repeatedly dropping scum-tells outside of that. Why does that one post clear him?

I don't mind sheeping but I forget why I was voting for Bitmap LOL. BRB

/headdesk

Seriously? You couldn't even come up with a half-assed lie?

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Near

Oh you.

You're just going to hop onto every wagon that shows up, aren't you?

[Greywing]

I like grey and gunny as town. DLG town for thinking so as well and thinking bit might be an alt. That seems like a genuine town conclusion/question. Bit's wagon started from nothing (the initial reasons are reaction testing at best), and got a ton of support. However, i dont see reason to think shes scum. Theres too many silent ppl to wagon her this fast when we all know her join date.

Also UNVOTE:

Not particularly. I dont expect many scum to be on it anyway just because its a super early wagon. Whats more interesting to me, is the people not interested in it at all. Like mr bk201 for example.

VOTE: bk201, talk to me baby. Whatcha thinking about? Are you pro or anti bit!

Hyperion, im no veteran mafiascum player and all, but it seems to me that reading the thread is beneficial to playing the game.

Also, why are you defending bk?

Just gonna keep this for future reference.

Looking forward to your Bitmap reads, JD.

^Here.

[Greywing]

Alright, awesome, JD's confirmed Town then .

[Greywing]

@Bitmap: All of those quotes are of people blatantly sheeping in order to garner reactions on someone else. They're not trying to hide it.

You, on the other hand, are coming up with terrible cases to support the fact that you'd ultimately be happy with any lynch besides your own. That's scummy.

@Johnny: Sorry mate, next one's yours .

[Greywing]

Bitmap, I'm too lazy to go hunting for your only good post. You're not going to change my mind. You're scum.

[Greywing]

Theory wise we need to massclaim tomorrow. I did a C9++ a while ago and a massclaim D2 would have basically won the game for town. Unfortunately after I got killed N1 they decided not to massclaim until D3, and then somepony lied about their claim which turned a forced win into a loss...

Either way, if im alive or not you DO massclaim tomorrow, as if its more than just a couple roles for us, it really is going to start semi-clearing players. This is especially true if a non-goon flips or if there is ever evidence (like two kills) of a SK.

Forgive the newbieness here, but how does a massclaim really help us on D2? Wouldn't that just give scum a list of who to kill?

@Rach, Near: Outside of the person you're currently voting, who is your top scumread, and why?

[Greywing]

Well, I think the apocalypse is about to occur now, guys. Bitmap and I just agreed on something .

[Greywing]

Massclaim is REALLY good in C9++ and I think it would translate well to this as long as town doesnt lie about claims. Im completely serious that the last C9++ I was in Hikari threw a forcedwin because he lied and claimed VT (and then missed a forced draw when he claimed cop, not that im still bitter about that one)

Theoretically it should be good here too. Basic arguement is that once we massclaim we know how many non T roles we have drawn, and if we get some non-goon flips, we can actually figure out how many PRs are lying by comparing what we should be up against to what is getting flipped. Not sure if DJD sees this, but im not missing the reasoning for massclaim to be missed/ignored/etc if I get killed N1 again as expected.

Somepony explain the RM thing to me, because her reaction to inte looks very much like frustrated town to me.

Ok, I'll trust you on the mass-claim D2. Seems logical enough.

I'll hide behind Uber.

The Rach case is that she's really lurky (which is really unlike her,) not posting anything worthwhile, and the only attempts at scumhunting have been blatant sheeping of me. That's including the Inte vote.

If the Bitscum wagon isn't going anywhere (which is what it's beginning to look like,) Rach's my lynch choice for today.

[Greywing]

@Bitmap: What's your read on Rach?

[Greywing]

inte and

RachMarie have been prodded

.

Someone's going to be sleeping on the couch tonight...

[Greywing]

Rach, I know you were on this forum about six hours ago. I figured I'd give you the benefit of the doubt and wait and see if you'd post reads. Clearly, you haven't bothered. You haven't stated that you're V/LA, and you've been lurky for the entirety of the game thus far. No more excuses.

VOTE: RachMarie

Are you scum, or are you intentionally playing anti-Town?

[Greywing]

Hi Rach! I'd like to see some reads, or at minimum, a deadline for when you'll have them.

@Grey - Lurking outside of a select few players is indicative of alignment. That and I have a gut town read going on RM at this point. What are your thoughts on all the other plentafull lurkers in this game.

Well, I think they need to be beaten repeatedly.

Seriously though, McStab's vote hopping like crazy. It's strange, but not really a huge scum-tell in my opinion.
JD's leaning scum.
BK's leaning Town.
I'm conflicted on Uber. His read post read Town to me. Unfortunately, everything else has been fluff or "gonna post reads guys!" Not sure what to think of him yet.

Stance time. Everypony needs to say what they think of Near in their next post. That wagon has been hanging around for a bit but never has gone anywhere and its time to find out why.

Because DLG's the only one who firmly believes in it right now.

I'm sorry, but I'm of little use on this one here. I'm not seeing what's so scummy about him as of yet. He hasn't really done enough to allow me to formulate an opinion. I am, however, getting scum vibes from people that are trying to subtly push his wagon without actually committing to it.

I agree with greywing here. UNVOTE: VOTE: rachmarie. hes been posting in many threads, and just ignored this one during the rbd vs me thing.

Something new and exciting happened in the thread, better chill out till the waters get calm.

Umm...what?

I've read up on the setup a bit and now understand the massclaim, and I'm fine with it. We should make the most suspicious guys claim first though.

Dash, correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe making the most suspicious people claim first kills the point. We're trying to claim by least likely role to the most likely role.

Hypothetical example: A Vigilante is only in play if there are three "T" roles. We'd start by asking if a Vig role exists. Say that Bob claims that he's the Vig. We would then go through the rest of the players, asking them to claim. If there ends up only being two "T" roles in the rest of the playerlist, then Bob is lying, and we lynch him.

@MOD: I'm going to be V/LA starting Monday, July 23rd until Saturday, July 28th. I might still be able to post, but just want to make sure in the off-chance I can't.

[Greywing]

Near's posts over the past couple of pages have been absolutely terrible. I can see Nearscum now. My preference is still Bit or Rach, but I'm good now with a Near lynch if that's what you guys want.

I don't see the Rach wagon gaining any traction today, so Bitmap it is!

VOTE: Bitmap

That's L-2.

[Greywing]

Bitmap, who are your top two scumreads?

[Greywing]

I don't like Johnny
VOTE: Johnny
Maybe I'll ISO him

Johnny's not getting lynched today.

Would you be willing to vote Bit or Near?

[Greywing]

Apologies for the delay.

VT.

RachMarie is next.

[Greywing]

^Right, because there aren't any VT's in the setup.

You're an idiot.

[Greywing]

^Right, because there aren't any VT's in the setup.

You're an idiot.

Anyways, Rach's claim.

[Greywing]

im counterclaiming your VT claim thats why im sure ur sucm

So, by your logic, we have only one VT in the entire setup?

[Greywing]

Sorry.

Anyways, in case it was missed,

popcorning to Rach.

[Greywing]

Updated Popcorn List:

UberNinja

Bitmap

BK201

DLG

DoubleJD

drmyshotgun

Greywing

Rainbowdash

inte

JohnnyFarrar
McStab

Near

RachMarie

VOTE: RachMarie

Clearly, she's refusing to claim since she was online and once again did jack shit. She's scum.

Changing my popcorn to Johnny, since Rach's confirmed scum at this point.

[Greywing]

Votes tend to make people talk.

[Greywing]

Well, I missed a lot.

I did a quick skim, and I agree that one of the Doctor's is scum. I'm still leaning towards Bit at this point. He was very scummy on D1, and his play thus far on D2 hasn't helped him shed that image.

Rach's still scummy. I get that she had personal issues to deal with, but I'd at least expect an attempt at scumhunting from Town-Rach. She's not.

I think Uber's lying about the VT claim. His post when he claimed his tier was wierd (I can find it again if needed.) He claimed VT, and then stated that it wasn't definitive, and he might be lying because he believed the mass-claim was stupid. Right now, I'm wary of him, but I don't know if he's scum.

I'm fairly confident on Gunny, Near, Johnny, Dash and DLG being Town.

At this point, I think scum is Bit, Rach, and one of Uber/BK.

VOTE: Bitmap

[Greywing]

I say we kill Bit. Whether or not he's scum, his alignment would tell us the exact set-up. DMS and I can start protecting each other and well... JF will probably die, but I don't see a way to protect JF.

An alternative option would be allow Bit to protect DMS, DMS to protect me, and me to protect JF and JF to jail one of the VT's. And see what happens.

How many strongman kills are common in a setup like this? If it's generally a one-shot, then we can break the setup by just having DMS and Near protect each other for the rest of the game.

[Greywing]

Why. Do you think DLG or Greywing is scum? Tell me why. NOW!!!

Hush. There's no need to get too excited.

If you think about Day 1, DLG started the attack on me pretty early because townmap make a possible scum slip that was exploitable. DLG then used that to rally up a possible wagon on me. The wagon grew quick on ol' townmap and townmap started to panic. Townmap tried to fend of the assault of the horde but throughout that whole day, was tunneled by more and more people. With tunneling, even if a person is town, they'll eventually look scummy.

Anyways very shortly after DLG's attack on me, Greywing took this as opportunity to also lead the charge. Greywing wagonned and used full force to attack me that day. If you look at yesterday's posts, they were pretty much all narrowed at me. DLG and/or Greywing knew that they can lynch me extremely easily. And even if I died that day and flipped town, they could both say "Oh, he was legitamately scummy. It's not our fault he sucked so bad." and go on their merry way.

I also found it odd that DLG took his vote off me while the wagon was at its peak that day. It's something we should look into.

But alas, this is all WIFOM and I'm just a newb at mafia.

So basically, OMGUS.

[Greywing]

UNVOTE: Bitmap

Apparently, the consensus is that we're not going to lynch a claimed doctor today. I suppose Bit can live one more day.

I still think we have two scum in the VT's: Rach, and either Uber or BK. I don't see why people are getting Town reads on Rach. Can someone explain them to me as I'm seeing pretty obvious scum here.

[Greywing]

So, just did some setup analysis for those of us who aren't entirely sure of what's going on .

These letters definitely were drawn during setup:
I (Inte.)
H (JD.)
R (McStab.)
PPP (Johnny, and two of Near/Gunny/Bit...most likely the first two.)

That leaves one letter which is either another P (if none of our PRs are lying) or a T (if one of the docs are lying.) That leaves us with one of two scum setups:

1 T = Mafia Goon, Mafia 1-Shot Bus Driver, Mafia JOAT, Serial Killer
0 Ts = Mafia Goon, Mafia 1-Shot Bus Driver, Mafia JOAT

The JOAT has a Roleblock, Ninja Kill and a Strongman Kill. Assuming again that Bit's telling the truth and that he protected McStab, the Strongman Kill is probably used up. McStab was most likely scum's #1 priority, and I can't see them using the Roleblock on Bit as it ran the risk of another Doc thwarting the kill. So, they still have Roleblock, Ninja Kill, and the Bus Driver on the table.

[Greywing]

There is still a possibility that both the mafia and theoretical SK targeted McStab causing the Strongman Kill not be used.

You're right. I forgot that Doctors only protect against

one

kill attempt .

[Greywing]

Rach first. At least one of BK and Uber is scum as well, though I haven't made up my mind completely. I'm leaning slightly more towards BKscum.

[Greywing]

RBD's Town. I don't know with Uber.

I'm slightly retracting my last comment. I don't think BK and Uber are scum together. The debate between them doesn't feel like bussing to me. If the scum team is you, Rach, and BK/Uber like I suspect, then the other is most likely the SK. If you're telling the truth about your role, then it's still Rach, BK/Uber and then I'm stumped.

[Greywing]

I don't see scum going for the massclaim. While we've lost PR's, we've also gained a ton of information on the setup. Also, while I personally felt Inte was Town, he was acting oddly enough that I can understand why RBD found him scummy. Her reasoning for leading his lynch (wanting to prevent him leading a mislynch, as she had a scumread on him) was Town motivated.

Oh, and I don't trust Uber at all.

@Gunny: Really.

[Greywing]

It would make it really easy: You, Rach, BK would be scum.

[Greywing]

If there is no SK, why would I be in that list?

VOTE: Greywing

Yeah, you're right. So regardless, one of my Town reads is wrong.

[Greywing]

I express my support for Rach lynch. Thanks

Then let's do it.

VOTE: RachMarie

[Greywing]

Last post from me tonight:

To everyone on my wagon, who is your number one suspect if I flip Town and if I flip scum?

[Greywing]

Bitmap's going to be totally crushed when I flip Town. I almost want to be lynched just to watch him rage .

Anyways, so-called Townies, answer my question:

Last post from me tonight:

To everyone on my wagon, who is your number one suspect if I flip Town and if I flip scum?

Bit's the only one to have answered this thus far.

Rach's still scum, by the way. For those of you waiting on her to post some content before forming an opinion on her, this is

post #1319

. If she hasn't done anything by this point, she never will. Lynch the obvious scum.

[Greywing]

Who do you think is scum Rach?
I want reads, I want em now. and there better be reasons attached

SPOILER ALERT!

She won't provide any.

This Rach wagon needs to happen.

[Greywing]

UNVOTE: RachMarie
VOTE: BK201

@RBD, Near: Follow the wagon. I think we can agree that Uber and BK aren't both scum. If this ends up being a mislynch, we autolynch Uber tomorrow as it would basically confirm him as scum. One of the two is definitely scum. Why not go for it?

[Greywing]

I agree with Uber on one point, BK has just been cleared as Town:

UNVOTE: BK201

Hey Uber, nice job jumping on the easy mislynch. Town, kill him once I flip.

VOTE: UberNinja

[Greywing]

Still VT.

Lynch Uber and Rach.

[Greywing]

Still VT.

Lynch Uber and Rach.

No dumbass.

You just hammered Town, and

I'm

the dumbass?

[Greywing]

How the hell did Bitmap win this? Wow.

Congrats Bit, well-deserved win.