Open 421-Pamplona II: Electric Bullgaloo! Game over

BK201 · Post Post #14 (isolation #0) » Wed Jul 11, 2012 8:12 am

VOTE: Rach

afraid to put the 2nd vote on someone?

BK201 · Post Post #112 (isolation #1) » Fri Jul 13, 2012 2:14 pm

↑ DoubleJD wrote:Not particularly. I dont expect many scum to be on it anyway just because its a super early wagon. Whats more interesting to me, is the people not interested in it at all. Like mr bk201 for example.

VOTE: bk201, talk to me baby. Whatcha thinking about? Are you pro or anti bit!

Pressure doesnt work if I can't see it. I wasn't even looking at this thread since my rvs vote.

Shamelessly sheeping DLG,
VOTE: Bitmap

That's L-1.

Fixed quote tag. ~~NS

BK201 · Post Post #113 (isolation #2) » Fri Jul 13, 2012 2:16 pm

apparently I technically voted myself just now.

VOTE: Bitmap

That's L-1

BK201 · Post Post #122 (isolation #3) » Fri Jul 13, 2012 4:39 pm

↑ inte wrote:this guy just went full Smurf

Edited language. ~~NS

@Mod

What did Inte originally call me? It may affect my vote.

Replied via PM. ~~NS

BK201 · Post Post #123 (isolation #4) » Fri Jul 13, 2012 4:56 pm

I put Bitmap at L-1 b/c he apparently had a guilty conscience and thought he had been accused of rolefishing rather than reaction fishing (?)
+ L-1 usually creates pressure. His response seems townish.
UNVOTE:

VoteToReplace: Inte

don't like his trolling. Sad thing is he is probably town b/c in my other game with him we were both scum and he wasn't an idiot there.

Idk where to put my vote, sue me.

BK201 · Post Post #125 (isolation #5) » Fri Jul 13, 2012 5:13 pm

↑ Greywing wrote:[quote="In post 121

In two of my previous three games, Town players have stupidly quickhammered on D1. I'd rather avoid having that happen again until I can get some more reads on other players.

Links, please.

BK201 · Post Post #127 (isolation #6) » Fri Jul 13, 2012 5:30 pm

↑ Greywing wrote:@BK:

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 0#p4000220

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 2#p4059112

Well those were Newbie games, but at least you weren't making stuff up.

BK201 · Post Post #133 (isolation #7) » Fri Jul 13, 2012 8:03 pm

You're saying its ok to sheep in the middle but not towards the end. Why?

Its all the same, when its not a hammer and when deadline isn't close.

BK201 · Post Post #135 (isolation #8) » Fri Jul 13, 2012 8:09 pm

Scum's main concern is appearing townish. Hammering without warning when when deadline isn't close is very scummy.

BK201 · Post Post #137 (isolation #9) » Fri Jul 13, 2012 8:14 pm

VOTE: inte

BK201 · Post Post #140 (isolation #10) » Fri Jul 13, 2012 8:44 pm

You are saying sheeping is ok, just not when it puts them at L-1. If you're saying something else then say it.
What is the difference considering the lynch is not locked in? Reactions are more likely to occur at L-1 than L-2 anyways.

BK201 · Post Post #145 (isolation #11) » Fri Jul 13, 2012 9:10 pm

We must be playing a different game. No matter what you say, you are accountable for your vote.

BK201 · Post Post #148 (isolation #12) » Fri Jul 13, 2012 9:12 pm

Oh hey, I have more games played than Inte.

Now I feel better.

It wasn't

just

a pressure vote. Nice misrep.

BK201 · Post Post #151 (isolation #13) » Fri Jul 13, 2012 9:17 pm

I have 10 completed games, you have 5.

I do feel better.

Nice, more fake-rage.

BK201 · Post Post #159 (isolation #14) » Sat Jul 14, 2012 8:55 am

Hey hyperion, nice misrep of me bro. I've already said I unvoted Bitmap b/c he had a town response to being at L-1.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: hyperion

BK201 · Post Post #160 (isolation #15) » Sat Jul 14, 2012 8:56 am

opportunistic scum is oppotunistic

BK201 · Post Post #162 (isolation #16) » Sat Jul 14, 2012 9:44 am

when you're seemingly trolling + random insults in every other post, that doesn't make for a fun game.

you're the first person I've ever put on my blacklist.

vote me I really don't care, but I'm not playing with inte again.

BK201 · Post Post #163 (isolation #17) » Sat Jul 14, 2012 9:48 am

Spoiler:

Inte's fake-rage. This guy with 5 games of experience is acting like he is an expert and is so distraught by my posts that he is allcaps raging. Yeah freakin' right. This is just a move to look like you're posting in a genuine manner, aka scum trying to look town.

I'm not moving my vote again this phase.
UNVOTE:
VOTE: inte

BK201 · Post Post #165 (isolation #18) » Sat Jul 14, 2012 9:52 am

Spoiler:

Bitmap's town responses.

BK201 · Post Post #169 (isolation #19) » Sat Jul 14, 2012 9:59 am

↑ inte wrote:this guy just went full Smurf

Edited language. ~~NS

Stop being so egotistic assuming I would copy your "style".

Is your sig there to fool people? I'd assume its accurate since that one scum win is also my one scum win.

BK201 · Post Post #170 (isolation #20) » Sat Jul 14, 2012 10:01 am

↑ inte wrote:I said explain, not link. We call all obviously see which posts you "seem" to be referring to, but I see nothing in those posts that warrant an instant town read.

Bitmap was pressuring his unvoter.

BK201 · Post Post #172 (isolation #21) » Sat Jul 14, 2012 10:07 am

ok inte, do me a huge favor and make your sig represent your actual record.

Yeah for all I know that could be what happened, but if I never come to a hypothesis on anything just because it may not have happened I'll never get anywhere.

BK201 · Post Post #174 (isolation #22) » Sat Jul 14, 2012 10:12 am

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 4#p4187514

BK201 · Post Post #177 (isolation #23) » Sat Jul 14, 2012 10:18 am

Explain your all caps raging + multiple posts back to back. Its all an act to look genuine. Your lack of experience has something to do with it as I've already said.

BK201 · Post Post #180 (isolation #24) » Sat Jul 14, 2012 10:34 am

Ignore bitmap? I think bitmap is town. If he only has 1 completed game then that speaks even more for him being town based on less WIFOM chance.

Inte, you haven't proved you have more than 5 games' experience. My case isn't based alone on your experience. Anyone allcaps raging at me + multiple back to back posts for what? That must have been some overreaction. More likely it was scum trying to appear genuine.

BK201 · Post Post #245 (isolation #25) » Sun Jul 15, 2012 11:39 am

10 pages, c'mon Uber.

BK201 · Post Post #325 (isolation #26) » Mon Jul 16, 2012 3:16 pm

Uber used strong words as scum in NY152. I don't think its a tell either way.

BK201 · Post Post #326 (isolation #27) » Mon Jul 16, 2012 3:18 pm

↑ RachMarie wrote:I am pretty sure Uber is town this is typical of his townie play.

Not to re-live open 408 but don't trust Uber just because he is making a big analytical post. I'm sure the past two games where he found all/most of the scum has encouraged Uber to continue to act that way regardless of alignment.

BK201 · Post Post #327 (isolation #28) » Mon Jul 16, 2012 3:19 pm

or was that post 324 subtle buddying to Uber? Noted.

BK201 · Post Post #378 (isolation #29) » Wed Jul 18, 2012 11:41 am

I'll read this tonight. Till then!

BK201 · Post Post #387 (isolation #30) » Wed Jul 18, 2012 8:18 pm

UNVOTE:

Reading tomorrow.

BK201 · Post Post #411 (isolation #31) » Thu Jul 19, 2012 6:32 pm

I might be down to try mass claim. Never done it.

BK201 · Post Post #412 (isolation #32) » Thu Jul 19, 2012 7:06 pm

↑ McStab wrote:Not getting a good vibe from DJD, but getting an even worse vibe from RachMarie. Do her ISO and look at the fencesitting, sheeping, and actively lurking behaviour she's exhibiting.

Vote:RachMarie

Rach, what do you think of DJD, Drmyshotty, Bitmap and Greywing?

If I am a Hider I will hide behind RachMarie tonight.

Gut town reads on Rainbow and Drmshotgun. Gut scum feel from McStab, best I have sorry.

VOTE: McStab

BK201 · Post Post #422 (isolation #33) » Fri Jul 20, 2012 8:02 am

↑ drmyshotgun wrote:
↑ BK201 wrote:I might be down to try mass claim. Never done it.

So you will go for Mass Claim not because you see its advantages, but would do it for the sake of doing it. Good to know.

I see the advantages of a mass claim in this set-up, I also see the potential disadvantage hardly having any PR's but in the end I am down to do it because I have never done it.

BK201 · Post Post #433 (isolation #34) » Fri Jul 20, 2012 12:40 pm

The maximum H's listed only has 1 Hider.

"HHHH = Hider, 1-Shot Commuter, 1-Shot Commuter, 1-Shot Commuter"

"If you draw more letters than are listed in a category, give the maximum power listed for that letter. " -- Not sure how this part works though.

@Mod

What would be the roles for 5 H's?

BK201 · Post Post #443 (isolation #35) » Fri Jul 20, 2012 3:17 pm

I think Near is town.

BK201 · Post Post #444 (isolation #36) » Fri Jul 20, 2012 3:18 pm

The claim plan sounds pretty good.

BK201 · Post Post #448 (isolation #37) » Fri Jul 20, 2012 3:36 pm

We're not lynching Near today, Bit that post was odd.

BK201 · Post Post #452 (isolation #38) » Fri Jul 20, 2012 3:41 pm

Maybe I was wrong about Bitmap's reaction.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: bitmap

BK201 · Post Post #461 (isolation #39) » Fri Jul 20, 2012 4:12 pm

↑ DoubleJD wrote:I agree with greywing here. UNVOTE: VOTE: rachmarie. hes been posting in many threads, and just ignored this one during the rbd vs me thing.

Something new and exciting happened in the thread, better chill out till the waters get calm.

What's your read on bitmap and near?

BK201 · Post Post #513 (isolation #40) » Sun Jul 22, 2012 10:28 am

↑ Near wrote:And even if many of us are from different time zone, this shouldn't take more than 5 minutes of our time, so there shouldn't be too many excuses. And as long as we could get like 8 or so people to agree, this should be worth it. And people who cannot not make it to THE CLAIM TIME have to claim first - VT, T1 or T2 but not full claim unless you are T2.

Sounds good.

BK201 · Post Post #515 (isolation #41) » Sun Jul 22, 2012 10:42 am

Bit, do you have any scum games on record?

BK201 · Post Post #545 (isolation #42) » Sun Jul 22, 2012 6:33 pm

Day 2 is better so if we have a cop they can at least get one clear or one guilty. Stuff like that right?

BK201 · Post Post #546 (isolation #43) » Sun Jul 22, 2012 6:48 pm

↑ McStab wrote:Would a massclaim Day One have an advantage in that scum would be forced to claim before THEY know more information? e.g. the way people flip overnight and during the Day would mean that we can essentially confirm (or even disprove) some roles existence, meaning that scum would have less to go off of on what is a safer claim or an impossible claim? Sorry but I'm super unfamiliar in this territory, but I could see some advantages to a Day One massclaim.

Call me crazy but I think we should claim now because of this.
UNVOTE:

BK201 · Post Post #548 (isolation #44) » Sun Jul 22, 2012 7:00 pm

I'm still on board to lynch Bitmap. Unless the massclaim changes that I would still probably be on board.

You have a point about PR's but most PR's can't prove they are who they say they are. (cop can but takes a lynch, vig can, nothing else off the top of my head)

If we claimed before scum gained possible mislynch info + NK(s) info then I think we have a better chance to catch them in a lie.

BK201 · Post Post #551 (isolation #45) » Sun Jul 22, 2012 7:53 pm

I just realized why we no matter what do this TODAY rather than Day 2!

If we wait till Day 2 then we give scum Night 1 to PLAN what to claim.

However, if we do it today we probably catch them off-guard!

BK201 · Post Post #552 (isolation #46) » Sun Jul 22, 2012 7:56 pm

I know I probably look stupid for bringing up something that was probably obvious, but I don't believe I saw anyone bring it up.

We really should do this before scum can QT about it.

BK201 · Post Post #554 (isolation #47) » Sun Jul 22, 2012 7:59 pm

We just do it like Rainbow said with the tier-system + popcorn right?

BK201 · Post Post #555 (isolation #48) » Sun Jul 22, 2012 8:01 pm

And we still have 9 days left till deadline. We have time to do it this phase.

BK201 · Post Post #557 (isolation #49) » Sun Jul 22, 2012 8:20 pm

I think forcing scum to claim before they can talk about it trumps all. Really that is scum's 2nd greatest advantage next to knowing each others' alignments.

BK201 · Post Post #567 (isolation #50) » Sun Jul 22, 2012 9:20 pm

Flips are mutual really.

Rainbow has the point about scum possibly killing a VT, but what if Vig/SK kills? What if Vig and SK kill? What if they NK a PR? Most importantly they get to huddle up and talk about it.

I thought a key element in catching people up in their lies was catching them off-guard. Giving them the night to talk about it sucks.

I vote today.

BK201 · Post Post #571 (isolation #51) » Sun Jul 22, 2012 9:46 pm

I think scum being unorganized trumps the (more than likely) chance of them hitting a VT tonight. I mean losing a PR night 1 sucks but in the long-run isn't them having shittier claims better?

BK201 · Post Post #592 (isolation #52) » Mon Jul 23, 2012 2:06 pm

Whatever we do we shouldn't let the other partners talk in private to bit if bit is scum. (or any of them talking in private for that matter)

I know I am a broken record, sorry.

BK201 · Post Post #593 (isolation #53) » Mon Jul 23, 2012 2:09 pm

So time to popcorn by tier 1, tier 2, or VT?

BK201 · Post Post #595 (isolation #54) » Mon Jul 23, 2012 2:11 pm

and bit that game you linked, I was in that game too. You should have known since I was the last scum.

BK201 · Post Post #599 (isolation #55) » Mon Jul 23, 2012 2:15 pm

I won't read another site's meta. Just saying.

BK201 · Post Post #601 (isolation #56) » Mon Jul 23, 2012 2:18 pm

I'm not stressing over it.

BK201 · Post Post #604 (isolation #57) » Mon Jul 23, 2012 2:44 pm

Oh Uber is in this game?

BK201 · Post Post #608 (isolation #58) » Mon Jul 23, 2012 2:58 pm

Popcorn means the person who just claims picks the next person to claim, and so on, and yeah we're just claiming tiers right now.

BK201 · Post Post #618 (isolation #59) » Mon Jul 23, 2012 3:25 pm

↑ drmyshotgun wrote:
Claim: T1

Popcorn to BK201.

Claim VT. Popcorn in a second.

BK201 · Post Post #619 (isolation #60) » Mon Jul 23, 2012 3:29 pm

popcornz

UberNinja

Bitmap

BK201

DLG
DoubleJD

drmyshotgun

Greywing
Hyperion
inte
JohnnyFarrar
McStab
Near
RachMarie

Popcorn to...DLG

BK201 · Post Post #622 (isolation #61) » Mon Jul 23, 2012 4:03 pm

Uber you're way too cocky. I actually think you're town cus andrew replaced out yet is playing in certain ongoing game I won't go into detail about that came out after this one. + you being dumb and claiming VT out of turn.

BK201 · Post Post #627 (isolation #62) » Mon Jul 23, 2012 4:45 pm

^ I blame our mod for not updating the player-list

BK201 · Post Post #629 (isolation #63) » Mon Jul 23, 2012 4:48 pm

^Ignoring overly cocky player's response so we don't spam the thread.

BK201 · Post Post #651 (isolation #64) » Tue Jul 24, 2012 1:20 pm

↑ Rainbowdash wrote:Can we stop claiming out of turn and reaction testing?

BK201 · Post Post #654 (isolation #65) » Tue Jul 24, 2012 1:28 pm

^ stop posting

BK201 · Post Post #662 (isolation #66) » Tue Jul 24, 2012 1:45 pm

Rach is on

Rach its your turn to claim and pop that corn.

BK201 · Post Post #664 (isolation #67) » Tue Jul 24, 2012 1:52 pm

well if she was reading this thread at all last night she already knew that, I know I saw her browsing.

BK201 · Post Post #666 (isolation #68) » Tue Jul 24, 2012 1:54 pm

she already left. Please nobody talk after this post.

Rach, claim your tier and then popcorn

BK201 · Post Post #673 (isolation #69) » Tue Jul 24, 2012 2:43 pm

hint: uber hasn't read the game.

BK201 · Post Post #675 (isolation #70) » Tue Jul 24, 2012 2:47 pm

He's using the VC as an excuse not to read, or to appear like he's doing something. Idk why.

BK201 · Post Post #677 (isolation #71) » Tue Jul 24, 2012 2:49 pm

Rach you need to clam TIER and popcorn. I see you browsing

BK201 · Post Post #681 (isolation #72) » Tue Jul 24, 2012 2:52 pm

SHES GONE AGAIN WTF

VOTE: Rach

BK201 · Post Post #686 (isolation #73) » Tue Jul 24, 2012 3:21 pm

Uber you're wrong, and you're almost certainly wrong about rainbow.

As far as your character, yeah I'm disappointed in your play this game. Deal with it.

BK201 · Post Post #745 (isolation #74) » Wed Jul 25, 2012 1:05 pm

Ok Uber has passed the point of being wrong and has entered scum-tard. I have two completed games with this guy and this fits his scum game exactly. Just ISO him for yourself and see what I'm talking about. You don't even have to know the game, just know his tone/style as scum vs town.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Uber

BK201 · Post Post #746 (isolation #75) » Wed Jul 25, 2012 1:05 pm

links in a sec

BK201 · Post Post #750 (isolation #76) » Wed Jul 25, 2012 1:11 pm

Scum
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=21855

Town
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=52&t=22080

and apparently he was in some newbie right before the town game where his play was similar to it.

BK201 · Post Post #774 (isolation #77) » Wed Jul 25, 2012 2:47 pm

Uber if you're so good why can't you see how obvtown Near is?

BK201 · Post Post #776 (isolation #78) » Wed Jul 25, 2012 2:53 pm

Oh and Uber I saw you said I'm interacting the same as the two times you caught me as scum...
hint: you've only played with me those two times, period. 1st game, me blue scum, uber red scum. Uber acting EXACTLY like he is this game. Its ridiculously easy to notice, please just read some of his ISO that game.

BK201 · Post Post #777 (isolation #79) » Wed Jul 25, 2012 2:54 pm

ftr, uber if you're town fuck you.

BK201 · Post Post #781 (isolation #80) » Wed Jul 25, 2012 3:40 pm

At 4 votes, hilarious.

BK201 · Post Post #782 (isolation #81) » Wed Jul 25, 2012 3:40 pm

Bet nobody read the fucking ISO I requested.

BK201 · Post Post #797 (isolation #82) » Wed Jul 25, 2012 3:58 pm

Inte, maybe its just me but I don't really look for breadcrumbs as town.

BK201 · Post Post #802 (isolation #83) » Wed Jul 25, 2012 3:59 pm

I should clarify, I don't look for breadcrumbs BEFORE claims.

BK201 · Post Post #816 (isolation #84) » Wed Jul 25, 2012 4:09 pm

If we have 4P's we can have a JK and 3 docs.

BK201 · Post Post #824 (isolation #85) » Wed Jul 25, 2012 4:13 pm

Idk about drm since the breadcrumb is a safe one for scum. Leaning town on drm I guess. Near is absolutely town though.

BK201 · Post Post #828 (isolation #86) » Wed Jul 25, 2012 4:15 pm

We're the cool kids who don't hide their online status.

BK201 · Post Post #833 (isolation #87) » Wed Jul 25, 2012 4:19 pm

↑ Near wrote:I think I am getting reminded why I thought this claiming this was going to fail.

Just wait for Rainbow.

BK201 · Post Post #835 (isolation #88) » Wed Jul 25, 2012 4:48 pm

I thought about putting all the claims so far together to make it easier to see whats going on but, on second thought that just makes it easier for scum to fake-claim. So don't do that, thx.

BK201 · Post Post #891 (isolation #89) » Wed Jul 25, 2012 7:45 pm

I believe DJD, he did breadcrumb and his attitude towards hypo-hide makes sense as a hider.

DJD should NOT say who he will target because mafia might have a bus-driver. All they would have to do is change his target to scum.

BK201 · Post Post #893 (isolation #90) » Wed Jul 25, 2012 7:49 pm

I gotta say its weird as a Tracker to request the Hider announce who he targets.

BK201 · Post Post #895 (isolation #91) » Wed Jul 25, 2012 7:50 pm

If he is I will feel good about our early "exchange" lol.

BK201 · Post Post #923 (isolation #92) » Wed Jul 25, 2012 9:24 pm

↑ McStab wrote:It would actually be pretty hilarious, if we got extraordinarily lucky and just drew 7 PRs, and we killed all of them while scum lurked in the VT pool.

lol.

I just want to say I agree Role Cop MS should be protected tonight in case he's real, but with a mass-claim its easy to get away with since you already know everyone's role. I do see the town motivation for a town Role Cop to want to mass-claim, but he is in my top 3 mostly by PoE.

3 potential scum out of the PRs
inte/bitmap/MS

Inte for whats been stated recently. Bitmap because Near is town and drm most likely is + Bitmap went first so Bit didn't know there would be two other docs. MS b/c of what I just said.

My gut tells me we could really only have 1 fake PR, idk the math at all though.

BK201 · Post Post #927 (isolation #93) » Wed Jul 25, 2012 9:31 pm

↑ Rainbowdash wrote:

Im going to bed.[/quote]

BK201 · Post Post #984 (isolation #94) » Thu Jul 26, 2012 11:56 am

↑ UberNinja wrote:
↑ RachMarie wrote:I have a question Uber I know you have a very good record on finding scum, but why are you so SURE that Inte is town? His posting has been chaotic at best and well rather annoying at times. The constant changes on his claim bother me.

Do you think scum goes out of their way to be chaotic/annoying?

Uber has and would.

his ISO as scum, LOTS of noise, exactly the same as here.
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... er_sort=Go

Just read some of it, especially page 2 of that ISO.

BK201 · Post Post #985 (isolation #95) » Thu Jul 26, 2012 11:56 am

Uber is 100% fucking obvscum.

BK201 · Post Post #987 (isolation #96) » Thu Jul 26, 2012 11:57 am

He knows I'm an easy mislynch and is just going to go after rainbow after me.

BK201 · Post Post #988 (isolation #97) » Thu Jul 26, 2012 11:58 am

or drm or rach, whoever isn't scum with him.

BK201 · Post Post #990 (isolation #98) » Thu Jul 26, 2012 12:00 pm

I was mocking you.

BK201 · Post Post #993 (isolation #99) » Thu Jul 26, 2012 12:04 pm

You're scum who's shit isn't going to fly if you pass my mislynch. I know last time you did this same shit, passed a lynch or two purely by allcaps yelling derpness and eventually the town made you shut up.

Go die.

BK201 · Thu Jul 26, 2012 12:05 pm

its all in that fucking gmae I linked.

BK201 · Thu Jul 26, 2012 12:07 pm

Also like how opposed you were to the claim even while we had already started. I recall you said something like "Maybe I'm VT maybe I'm not". Scum saving a PR claim in case they need it. As town you know once we started we have no choice but to finish, also like how you're an idiot and didn't even READ rainbow's stuff until you calmed down.

BK201 · Thu Jul 26, 2012 12:30 pm

Uber you better be scum. If you're town you are terrible and need to be humbled.

BK201 · Thu Jul 26, 2012 12:32 pm

Questioning my read now after taking a closer look at that ISO. He did act derp derp but it wasn't all caps derp and not to this level of derp. He did reach this level of derp when he was protecting his scumbuddy Def3nd3r. allcapsnoise derpville. The lynch on the counter-wagon went through with that strategy and eventually he shut the fuck up.

BK201 · Thu Jul 26, 2012 2:39 pm

I'm in 5 games, and was recently in 6 and don't forget my roles.

BK201 · Thu Jul 26, 2012 3:01 pm

↑ inte wrote:good for you, more anecdotal evidence

do you shampoo or condition first?

i personally condition first

I'm saying I don't buy it. And I shampoo first.

BK201 · Thu Jul 26, 2012 3:10 pm

For the love of town, nobody give Uber the protection he thinks he is entitled to.

Should be really obvious why.

BK201 · Thu Jul 26, 2012 3:25 pm

↑ DoubleJD wrote:Game is easy now!

Thinking like this is bad. We have only caught the SK, so no associative tells.

I do think there 1, maybe 2 fake-claiming scum though.

BK201 · Mon Jul 30, 2012 2:08 pm

↑ Near wrote:BTW, DoubleJD said he would hide behind a random VT. He may or may not have followed through though.

I really doubt he would hide behind a PR. The chance of him dying as well would have been too risky, and doc protection wasn't fail-proof because of strongman/bus-driver. Hiding behind a VT would have been the safest move.

↑ Near wrote:"I am going to be honest" sounds like pre-planned shit.

If I protected McStab and saw him dead anyway, I would have been like "They must have used the strongman kill" immediately instead of "I have to be honest" bull shit. You scum. K?

↑ Near wrote:I don't care. If there is one scum among power role, I am 95% sure it's you.
At the time, you HAD to claim PR anyway, otherwise you would have been lynched.

agreed.

↑ drmyshotgun wrote:Yeah, I'm saying it out loud.
It was a shitty lynch. It was basically crap.
We really should have let Inte live for one more day.
Who knew what kind of info he'd bring?
If the info he brought was something that would wrongly frame someone else, we would have lynched him anyways.

I thought about that last night.
RBD just flocking us to his lynch?
Fuck this.

VOTE: RainbowDashie

Inte played shitty(didn't even know his role) and because of that it looked like he wasn't thinking like someone who was actually a Tracker. For the info part, rainbow addressed how he could bring basically any town-pr down with him by saying they tracked targert dead player.

Going to vote Bit, but I want to figure out the set-up exactly.

BK201 · Mon Jul 30, 2012 2:11 pm

↑ JohnnyFarrar wrote:Before this turns into another Bitwagon, let's all calmly figure this out.

P I jailed DLG (confirmed)
P Gunny doc'd me
P Near doc'd me
P Bit doc'd McStab
I Inte Died, so no track (confirmed)
R McStab died, so no investigation (confirmed)
H DJD died so he hid somewhere (confirmed)
T RBD
T Grey
T DLG
T Uber
T BK
T Rach

If everyone were telling the truth, there would only be a goon and a 1-shot busdriver. That shouldn't be the case, because Bit said he protected McStab and he died anyway. So either Bit is lying or there is an SK/JOAT, which would mean that someone else is lying. And it has to be one or two of the docs.

Unless Busdriving works on someone under doc protection? I'm not completely certain.

↑ DoubleJD wrote:Ill be using Random.org to decide a VT to hide behind.

This leads me to believe that JD pinged scum. Random.org isn't usually that nice, but these things do happen. I doubt the busdriver guessed his target and switched it with scum, and even given that as a possibility I doubt that the busdriver would waste his 1 shot on that guess.

So basically, we know for sure that there is one person amongst the docs that is scum and that there is at least one amongst the vanilla civs.
For the docs, I doubt it's bit, saying he doc'd McStab doesn't make any sense as scum. Since he saw everything that happened and knew that would possibly out him as scum (or at least put him in a small group of really suspicious folk). The safe doc target to claim would have been the survivor between me and McStab, the two most important roles. Since I lived, I'm the safe claim. This makes Gunny and Near the most suspicious in my eyes. And given Gunny's less favorable claim spot yesterday, I'd be willing to bet that he's scum.

Finally, the scum amongst our VTs.
This mess makes BK and RBD look horrid. We'll see if either of them can see something that I can't, but they aren't looking particularly pro-town at the moment (since they're both claimed VT's that jumpstarted a Massclaim that lead to three dead PR's). Dashie wanted to kill Inte because of what he might do if he is scum, which is stupid. BK (as pointed out by Uber) hasn't done a single pro-town thing all game.

Grey's just sort of been quiet, but I think he's V/LA and I'm too lazy to check. If I read later and see that he isn't, I'll be quite onto him

DLG's pretty much clear in my mind. I jailed him, which means either he's a goon (which I doubt, most of the time goons carry out the first kill from what I've witnessed) or he's legit VT.

Uber... UBER. I got nothing. I'd like to see BK's alignment before I decide on Uber.

uber is probably scum, even though the mass-claim looks bad now, it would have been worse if scum were able to coordinate what to claim, and they could even have back up claims depending on how experienced the team is. I think it's fairly obvious 1 doc is scum (most likely bit) and 2 VT are. VT is the safest thing to claim, especially when you can't look to your buddies for advice.

BK201 · Mon Jul 30, 2012 2:14 pm

DLG is at least clear of being JOAT or SK.

BK201 · Mon Jul 30, 2012 2:15 pm

and probably goon, but maf knew we didn't have a Tracker anymore, so outside of JK there was nothing for a goon to worry about.

BK201 · Mon Jul 30, 2012 2:23 pm

↑ Bitmap wrote:Inte's a troll.

And you forgot to vote for me.

You forgot to read.

BK201 · Mon Jul 30, 2012 5:16 pm

↑ JohnnyFarrar wrote:
P I jailed DLG (confirmed)
P Gunny doc'd me
P Near doc'd me
P Bit doc'd McStab
I Inte Died, so no track (confirmed)
R McStab died, so no investigation (confirmed)
H DJD died so he hid somewhere (confirmed)
T RBD
T Grey
T DLG
T Uber
T BK
T Rach

RBD is probably town. DLG is less likely to be scum than a VT who wasn't jailed.

2 of Grey/Uber/Rach are scum. I'd rather leave the docs alone for now, scum will definitely kill among the PRs which narrows down the fake doc, if they kill VT then whatever. I suggest the real docs protect JF, since he's the only real confirmed.

VOTE: Uber

BK201 · Mon Jul 30, 2012 5:19 pm

Looking forward to some of RBD's set-up analysis though. I think the mass-claim will pay off in the end.

BK201 · Mon Jul 30, 2012 7:09 pm

↑ drmyshotgun wrote:BK or RBD, people.

This is horrible. Horrible horrible horrible.

BK201 · Tue Jul 31, 2012 4:26 am

↑ Rainbowdash wrote:@JF - The fact that if there is a SK there is exactly one scum in the claimed roles (im discounting odds of three) and if there is no SK you are all town or exactly two scum is nothing? Its one of the following

1) SK in doctor claims, 2 mafia in doctor claims, 1 mafia in VT
2) SK in doctor claims, 3 mafia in VT
3) SK in VT claims, 1 mafia in doctor claims, 2 mafia in VT
4) 2 mafia in doctor claims, 1 mafia in VT
5) 3 mafia in VT

There is your setup. One of these. Its probably 2, 3 or 5, which is why we are lynching VT today.

This.

BK201 · Tue Jul 31, 2012 4:27 am

When I flip town, hang Uber. Or at least make him stfu.

BK201 · Tue Jul 31, 2012 4:29 am

There's really no winning against his yelling. I'm town, he's an idiot if he is also town. More likely scum.

BK201 · Tue Jul 31, 2012 4:32 am

↑ drmyshotgun wrote:
↑ UberNinja wrote:
↑ BK201 wrote:
↑ drmyshotgun wrote:BK or RBD, people.
This is horrible. Horrible horrible horrible.

Cheers.

I really hope you're scum and not this dumb.

BK201 · Tue Jul 31, 2012 4:35 am

Also a nice piece Uber said, "BK has done nothing pro-town all game". That's not true, but let me ask you, what the hell has Uber done?? He has NOTHING on me, so when I flip then what? Oh right, he'll just say "Darn I guess I can't be right all of the time! RBD is scum!"

Just watch.

BK201 · Tue Jul 31, 2012 4:52 am

↑ UberNinja wrote:
↑ BK201 wrote:You're saying its ok to sheep in the middle but not towards the end. Why?

Its all the same, when its not a hammer and when deadline isn't close.

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 9#p4167499

Here he tried to get in on the wagon real slick (cuz it was his scumbuddy) and was made to apologize for not announcing L-1

But in this game we're in right now, he's like L-1 guys woop woop L-1 alert! which means bitmap is even more obvtown

BK doing the bold + big text on the L-1 warning is also lulz

And his attitude towards me is exactly the same as it was the last two times I got him lynched and he was scum

LOLOL

1. I often bold L-1, so whats your point? Here are several links.
Open 404, Town
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 8#p4151388
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 2#p4164502

Open 399, Town
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 1#p4038911

2. WE'VE ONLY PLAYED TWO TIMES. You're wording "the last two times I got him lynched and he was scum" makes it sound like you have some experience with me as town. One of those times you were on the other scum team, and probably didn't believe it much. The 2nd time you, you had a good game, but its not like I had many options considering what I replaced into. What else you got??

↑ UberNinja wrote:If "massclaim works wonders", then why in your post 716 were you like "after we claim we can move on and maybe catch scum from all this"

That doesn't sound like somebody who's excited as fuck to get everyone to claim so we can break the game YAY!

That sounds like scum who's excited to get all the PRs to claim (ohhh we're claiming TIERS not ROLES just so everyone will be SAFE!!! WINK WINK WINK) so you can kill them off while at the same time being like "its for the good of the game" and MAYBE we can catch scum from this because herp derp we're FUCKING MASSCLAIMING ON DAY 1 LIKE A BUNCH OF FUCKING IDIOTS

tl;dr: you don't sound like you're at all convinced of the effectiveness of a massclaim. if it was such a good idea, it should GUARANTEE a scum lynch. and if it DOESN'T guarantee a scum lynch, it SHOULDN'T FUCKING HAPPEN YET, DUH

yet you wanted one anyway, and you keep singing its praises. why?

and if you've "done more scumhunting than anypony else in the game" then why the fuck don't we have a wagon on scum you illiterate hypocrite? because scum is fucking slow-rolling this town like a bunch of artards and everyone who should have the balls enough to say something is either lurking or just doesn't have the balls period.

well now that i'm done lurking, here i am baby, and a) that massclaim was bullshit, b) if you can show me 1 pro-town thing bk has done I will give you a massive amount of brownie points and then demand that you vote for him anyway because he is scum and you're an idiot if you think otherwise, and c) can we have some moar vote counts plz NS? <3

p.s. i claimed VT because the massclaim was bullshit, not necessarily cause i'm actually a VT.
so put that in your pipe and smoke it

Bolded the scummy bs. He could have easily claimed a PR if it would help his cause with the way he claimed VT.

BK201 · Tue Jul 31, 2012 5:04 am

^ Uh hello. I didn't even vote Inte.

I was still deciding whether or not his story was bs.

I did confront him with how it looked like he wasn't THINKING like a tracker though. His play was legitimately shitty.

BK201 · Tue Jul 31, 2012 7:35 am

↑ DLG wrote:
↑ BK201 wrote:^ Uh hello. I didn't even vote Inte.

I was still deciding whether or not his story was bs.

I did confront him with how it looked like he wasn't THINKING like a tracker though. His play was legitimately shitty.

I'm confused. I'm talking about the early fight between you and inte. You most certainly did vote for him, then. For what appeared to me to be because he wouldn't relent on you.

Later in the Day, I agree you weren't on his lynch. Which causes me even more concern that you were willing to harrass him, but wanted to avoid actually being on his lynch wagon.

What was the reason you weren't actually voting for him?

"I was still deciding whether or not his story was bs."

↑ DLG wrote: Did you think his botched claim made him likely scum, at that time? Or, did you just think it was shitty play from a Townie?

Like I said I was trying to figure that out.

BK201 · Tue Jul 31, 2012 7:43 am

Cus this is how Uber plays. Tunnel on a "bad" player and when I flip say "Wow that was the first time I was wrong about BK" (again only 2 games played with him, but he'd talk it up). He already knew drm and bitmap would sheep him b/c of open 408, its easy.

BK201 · Tue Jul 31, 2012 7:47 am

↑ UberNinja wrote:
↑ BK201 wrote:Also a nice piece Uber said, "BK has done nothing pro-town all game". That's not true, but let me ask you, what the hell has Uber done?? He has NOTHING on me, so when I flip then what? Oh right, he'll just say "Darn I guess I can't be right all of the time! RBD is scum!"

Just watch.

So you think RBD is scum then, yes?

Exactly how did you gather that? I've basically been saying RBD is town in every other post.

BK201 · Tue Jul 31, 2012 7:48 am

I'm saying your scumbum will say that line and move onto RBD like nothing happened.

BK201 · Tue Jul 31, 2012 7:54 am

Where will you be after my flip??? Tell me.
Just imagine I flip town for a moment.
Where will you be?
Think about why I'm scum.
Will Uber be town?
What does my flip mean?

BK201 · Tue Jul 31, 2012 8:00 am

↑ Bitmap wrote:>Follow RBD in this game
>3 PRs die

>Follow UberNinja in Open 408
>Every scum member gets lynched in the first 3 days

I'm sorry but I like UberNinja's track record. RBD's plan might work still because we got lucky and picked out so many PRs.

>Follow RBD in this game.
>Scum pinned down to a very select group.

I like how you're using Uber as an excuse though. With RBD it was about PoEing the scum with the set-up. Do I have to link a game someone showed me where Uber was endgamed? If you really think Uber is so good you should sheep him when he doesn't even have a reason to why I'm scum, then you've got to be scum.

BK201 · Tue Jul 31, 2012 8:07 am

Bit, what parts of Uber's logic do you agree with, regarding me. Quotes plz.

BK201 · Tue Jul 31, 2012 12:44 pm

↑ DLG wrote:
BK201 wrote:"I was still deciding whether or not his story was bs."

Hmmm, this is just going to have to be something for everyone else to consider and decide on. There doesn't seem to be any definitive way to settle this.

But, that doesn't answer for the early Day 1 fight. Why are you avoiding
that
and trying to shift focus onto late Day stuff?

What do you want to drag out about early inte/bk fight? What?

Fixed quote tag. ~~NS

BK201 · Tue Jul 31, 2012 12:45 pm

^ broke tag

BK201 · Tue Jul 31, 2012 1:17 pm

↑ DoubleJD wrote:I loved rainbow as town for giving me hypohide...then she was like "lets all claim right diddy meow" and i was like "huh", but ya shes probably town.

Unfortunately he might have hid behind RBD. This is before Inte's flip, which apparently incriminates RBD and myself since we called him out for asking DJD to state who he hides behind, when he could have just tracked him. In short, not thinking like a tracker b/c he wasn't one.

↑ DoubleJD wrote:Im gonna continue that line of reasoning, so people see why alarm bells just went off in my head.

If only 4 pr claims are true, than there's three scum among {Bit, near, dms, jf, djd, inte, ms}. I just dont see that.

That means at least 1 of the VT claims is a lie.

Take the two together, and you get 1/6 > 1/7, and more reason to keep potential pr's alive than potential vt's.

Given the choice, scum would want us to mislynch a power role instead of a vt. Given little time/thought, scum would claim vt instead of a powerrole that could get them trapped (a worstcase scenario if we only had a few roles).

DLG, why arent you scum?

Bolded that. DJD wouldn't have hid behind DLG.

↑ DoubleJD wrote:hrmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm VOTE: rach

DJD wouldn't have hid behind Rach.

I highly doubt he actually used random.org to decide.

BK201 · Tue Jul 31, 2012 1:24 pm

DLG you should give your reads on everyone else and your others thoughts on the game. Tunneling on me isn't going to cut it.

BK201 · Wed Aug 01, 2012 5:00 pm

First off, I know others have done set-up spec but I feel better if I can type my thoughts out.

I-H-R-P-P-P-T
Bitmap is the only doc that I think could be scum. He(she?) was probably going to be lynched if he claimed VT, and he did claim first, and Doc is a pretty safe claim if you were going to be lynched otherwise. If we have that then we have a SK, and Bitmap is the SK or scum. I read that if we have an SK it would be Bit, why so specific?

I-H-R-P-P-P-P
If we have this, then all 3 scum took the safe route and claimed VT. I'm not willing to lynch Bitmap today, and I don't see evidence of a SK so I think this is what we have.

UberNinja
DLG
Greywing
Rainbowdash
RachMarie

I'm assuming 3 of these 5 are scum. I still think RBD is town. DLG I'd rather not lynch because there is a 50% chance he is not scum since he was jailed and mafia more than likely strongmanged McStab. Rachmarie's lynch basically provides no information as is. Greywing is probably scum. Uber is also likely scum.

BK201 · Wed Aug 01, 2012 5:07 pm

If we mislynch today we will be in Lylo tomorrow (providing no doc saves, but we can't count on that). That's why we can't lynch rach today.

P-edit: Yeah Bit.
UNVOTE:
VOTE: Greywing

BK201 · Fri Aug 03, 2012 10:04 pm

Wow, at least let me catch up.

BK201 · Fri Aug 03, 2012 10:20 pm

↑ Rainbowdash wrote:
↑ JohnnyFarrar wrote:Boring. Dashie, Uber, Near, each of you be a dear and give me your top suspect in the VT pool if you please.

Im going to be voting one of UN or Grey I think. RM is town, im not voting DGL and I dislike a BK vote. I think logic dictates that Grey is almost the safe vote in that case, but it just feels SO wrong to just cast a safe vote, even if thats what appears correct.

@BK - You said you have seen UN-scum. Does he like to bus?

↑ UberNinja wrote:DLG/BK are the only people I will vote today.

Might as well capitulate or I will scream at you until it damn well happens.
And you fuckers damn well better listen after that SHIT SHOW yesterday.

UberNinja, OUT

↑ Bitmap wrote:UN, are you scum?

↑ Near wrote:Bit protects JF
JF jails one of VT
Near protects DMS
DMS protects Near

Agreed?

Bus-Driver/Strongman/Roleblock. Whatever wasn't used last night. Just protect who you want.

BK201 · Fri Aug 03, 2012 10:29 pm

↑ Rainbowdash wrote:
↑ JohnnyFarrar wrote:Boring. Dashie, Uber, Near, each of you be a dear and give me your top suspect in the VT pool if you please.

Im going to be voting one of UN or Grey I think. RM is town, im not voting DGL and I dislike a BK vote. I think logic dictates that Grey is almost the safe vote in that case, but it just feels SO wrong to just cast a safe vote, even if thats what appears correct.

@BK - You said you have seen UN-scum. Does he like to bus?

I've only had two games with Uber. One as him town me scum; One where we were on opposite scum teams, and no he did not bus. He did yell so hard he got the wagon off of one of his buddies (def3ndor). Bussing in multi-scum games isn't really a great idea though, unless the other team is dead.

↑ UberNinja wrote:DLG/BK are the only people I will vote today.

Might as well capitulate or I will scream at you until it damn well happens.
And you fuckers damn well better listen after that SHIT SHOW yesterday.

UberNinja, OUT

Why DLG? Why not greywing? Why am I scum?

↑ Bitmap wrote:UN, are you scum?

Sheeping Uber, but you have to ask him this?

BK201 · Fri Aug 03, 2012 10:30 pm

↑ Greywing wrote:
↑ UberNinja wrote:
Who do you think is scum Rach?
I want reads, I want em now. and there better be reasons attached

SPOILER ALERT!

She won't provide any.

This Rach wagon needs to happen.

What else have you got?

BK201 · Sat Aug 04, 2012 12:04 pm

↑ Bitmap wrote:
↑ UberNinja wrote:
b) bitmap, please protect me tonight. i don't trust either of the other doctor claims

Okie dokie.

Wooooooooooooow. L2P please.

BK201 · Sat Aug 04, 2012 12:04 pm

↑ Greywing wrote:UNVOTE: RachMarie
VOTE: BK201

@RBD, Near: Follow the wagon. I think we can agree that Uber and BK aren't both scum. If this ends up being a mislynch, we autolynch Uber tomorrow as it would basically confirm him as scum. One of the two is definitely scum. Why not go for it?

Look at scum lining up lynches knowing I will flip town.

BK201 · Sat Aug 04, 2012 12:05 pm

Me flipping town does not auto-confirm uber as scum. Town can be wrong.

BK201 · Sat Aug 04, 2012 12:07 pm

↑ UberNinja wrote:
↑ BK201 wrote:Wow, at least let me catch up.

look at this post. fucking look at it

scum wants to "catch up"

town wants to LYNCH SCUM

kill it with fire

You're an idiot.

BK201 · Sat Aug 04, 2012 12:20 pm

↑ Bitmap wrote:
↑ BK201 wrote:
↑ Bitmap wrote:
↑ UberNinja wrote:
b) bitmap, please protect me tonight. i don't trust either of the other doctor claims

Okie dokie.
Wooooooooooooow. L2P please.

umad.

If you're realy a doc, protect the damn docs or our JK. Thanks.

BK201 · Sat Aug 04, 2012 12:21 pm

Uber doesn't deserve anything, especially since all he is doing is tunneling on a town player.

BK201 · Sat Aug 04, 2012 12:28 pm

↑ Bitmap wrote:
↑ BK201 wrote:
↑ Bitmap wrote:
↑ BK201 wrote:
↑ Bitmap wrote:
↑ UberNinja wrote:
b) bitmap, please protect me tonight. i don't trust either of the other doctor claims

Okie dokie.
Wooooooooooooow. L2P please.

umad.
If you're realy a doc, protect the damn docs or our JK. Thanks.

Maybe you should shut your mouth and realize that I might not be protecting Uber tonight and I could just as well protect someone else.

Maybe I don't have much confidence in you. :/

BK201 · Sat Aug 04, 2012 12:50 pm

↑ Bitmap wrote:
↑ BK201 wrote:Maybe I don't have much confidence in you. :/

You're even newer than me, and you seem to worship Uber because of open 408. So yeah I don't have a lot of confidence in you that you will make the right choice and not protect him. If I flip and you still protect him I have no words.

BK201 · Tue Aug 07, 2012 5:36 pm

UberNinja
DLG
RachMarie

Guessing that is the scum team. With the outside chance of bitmap replacing one of those names.

VOTE: Rach
post.

BK201 · Tue Aug 07, 2012 5:37 pm

and of course Uber = Kondi, DLG = Psyche.

BK201 · Tue Aug 07, 2012 5:58 pm

↑ Psyche wrote:Hi. Not quite through reading at all.

You read 60 pages of this but not 25 pages of our last game?

BK201 · Tue Aug 07, 2012 6:21 pm

I-H-R-P-P

-P-P <---Colored an extra P green because I really doubt all 3 scum would claim Doctor without having the night to discuss it.

I think all 3 scum claimed VT, with an outside chance SK bitmap claimed doc.

Rach should step it up or eat the rope first.

BK201 · Tue Aug 07, 2012 6:22 pm

↑ Bitmap wrote:
↑ drmyshotgun wrote:Why did you not say who you targetted in your first post back, Bitmap?

I targeted Near.

Why Near?

BK201 · Tue Aug 07, 2012 6:24 pm

↑ Bitmap wrote:
↑ BK201 wrote:
↑ Bitmap wrote:
↑ drmyshotgun wrote:Why did you not say who you targetted in your first post back, Bitmap?

I targeted Near.
Why Near?

I dunno. I just picked a PR claim.

Is that really all there was to it?

BK201 · Tue Aug 07, 2012 6:27 pm

↑ Bitmap wrote:
↑ BK201 wrote:
↑ Bitmap wrote:
↑ BK201 wrote:
↑ Bitmap wrote:
↑ drmyshotgun wrote:Why did you not say who you targetted in your first post back, Bitmap?

I targeted Near.
Why Near?

I dunno. I just picked a PR claim.
Is that really all there was to it?

Ya. Why, do you think there was another reason?

Well its odd you didn't protect JF if you just picked a PR claim.

BK201 · Tue Aug 07, 2012 6:27 pm

↑ Bitmap wrote:@BK: Were you expecting me to protect JF so you can make your attack on me stronger? Lulz.

Were you thinking it'd be too suspicious to target the dead guy twice?

BK201 · Tue Aug 07, 2012 6:30 pm

↑ Bitmap wrote:
↑ BK201 wrote:
Well its odd you didn't protect JF if you just picked a PR claim.

Well it's quite odd that you assume I protected JF.

No no, I'm not assuming you protected anybody. That's why I'm questioning you.

↑ Bitmap wrote:
↑ BK201 wrote:
↑ Bitmap wrote:@BK: Were you expecting me to protect JF so you can make your attack on me stronger? Lulz.
Were you thinking it'd be too suspicious to target the dead guy twice?

Nah, I just like messing with scum minds, like yours.

Well thanks for sheeping my scum mind

BK201 · Tue Aug 07, 2012 6:32 pm

↑ Bitmap wrote:
↑ BK201 wrote:
↑ Bitmap wrote:
↑ drmyshotgun wrote:Why did you not say who you targetted in your first post back, Bitmap?

I targeted Near.
Why Near?

I dunno. I just picked a PR claim.

If you just picked someone,

why

would it not be the confirmed town JK. Instead you "just picked" Near. I think you were worried about claiming to have protected the dead person again.

BK201 · Tue Aug 07, 2012 6:38 pm

↑ Bitmap wrote:
↑ BK201 wrote:
↑ Bitmap wrote:
↑ BK201 wrote:
↑ Bitmap wrote:
↑ drmyshotgun wrote:Why did you not say who you targetted in your first post back, Bitmap?

I targeted Near.
Why Near?

I dunno. I just picked a PR claim.
If you just picked someone,
why
would it not be the confirmed town JK. Instead you "just picked" Near. I think you were worried about claiming to have protected the dead person again.

Why didn't DMS and Near protect the confirmed town JK as well. Your question is silly.

I don't care why they did, I was asking you specifically for a reason.

BK201 · Tue Aug 07, 2012 6:39 pm

↑ Bitmap wrote:UNVOTE: Rach

I don't want some lulzy ass quick hammer to happen.

Won't happen cus she's probably scum.

BK201 · Tue Aug 07, 2012 6:42 pm

↑ Bitmap wrote:
↑ BK201 wrote:
↑ Bitmap wrote:UNVOTE: Rach

I don't want some lulzy ass quick hammer to happen.
Won't happen cus she's probably scum.

Well I don't want to come back realizing we lost. I'm about to sleep anyways.

Just realized this is lylo, with an even number...

UNVOTE:

BK201 · Tue Aug 07, 2012 6:43 pm

↑ Bitmap wrote:
↑ BK201 wrote:
I don't care why they did, I was asking you specifically for a reason.

A coin has the probability of not flipping heads. Stop beating a dead horse and lets get a case on Rach going then.

How does that coin part relate to what just happened? And the case on Rach is super lurker + PoE.

BK201 · Tue Aug 07, 2012 6:46 pm

↑ Bitmap wrote:
↑ BK201 wrote:
↑ Bitmap wrote:
↑ BK201 wrote:
I don't care why they did, I was asking you specifically for a reason.

A coin has the probability of not flipping heads. Stop beating a dead horse and lets get a case on Rach going then.
How does that coin part relate to what just happened? And the case on Rach is super lurker + PoE.

Simply put it this way. You expected me to protect JF. Instead I protected Near. However, you were really expecting me to protect JF all along because someone mentioned I should protect JF last night.

I wasn't suspecting you to protect anyone until you said "I just picked a PR".

BK201 · Tue Aug 07, 2012 6:47 pm

Anyways I appreciate the real-time replies. Going to sleep.

BK201 · Thu Aug 09, 2012 11:47 am

↑ RachMarie wrote:TBF you are probably right that there was scum on that wagon HOWEVER I may point out that the way Inte played was suspicious with his changing his mind on his roles etc and other things he posted made him SEEM scummy and fake claiming. If I had the tracker role, I would have been far more supportive of helping town win. Though I know having PRs can be a difficult position to be in since I have been there, and I am glad I am not a PR in this case just VT.

Meanwhile, lurking is a null tell, especially since I am trying to catch up on the sheer amount of volume of posts since the day started. I want to sort it out and regroup. I was wrong on Inte, but he just seemed so SCUMMY.

@ Kondi any other comments besides that? Are you pointing that out to try to get town cred for NOT being on that wagon (well that your predecessor was NOT on that wagon?)

@Psyche we know how you feel about Gunny here how do you feel about other players.

Before I even read this, you actually post a real post right after being called out? 60 pages man.

BK201 · Thu Aug 09, 2012 12:00 pm

↑ RachMarie wrote:TBF you are probably right that there was scum on that wagon HOWEVER I may point out that the way Inte played was suspicious with his changing his mind on his roles etc and other things he posted made him SEEM scummy and fake claiming. If I had the tracker role, I would have been far more supportive of helping town win. Though I know having PRs can be a difficult position to be in since I have been there, and I am glad I am not a PR in this case just VT.

Meanwhile, lurking is a null tell, especially since I am trying to catch up on the sheer amount of volume of posts since the day started. I want to sort it out and regroup. I was wrong on Inte, but he just seemed so SCUMMY.

Interesting, because this is where you parked your vote on Inte for the whole phase.

↑ RachMarie wrote:VOTE: Inte This is ridiculous and not at all helpful to town.

For being anti-town.

↑ kondi2424 wrote:Alright, I have a good suspect for the third scum. Going to make sure they didn't townslip or anything before I call them out, though.

I will say that RD/Rach are pretty close to being obvious scum to me.

Why does this remind me so much of your scum games?

BK201 · Thu Aug 09, 2012 12:01 pm

Not because of the Tracker stuff, unless you were reading along and not posting.

VOTE: rach so scum

BK201 · Thu Aug 09, 2012 1:23 pm

Is it not plain as day obvious how scum Rach is? She slipped up.

BK201 · Thu Aug 09, 2012 1:41 pm

↑ RachMarie wrote:VOTE: Inte This is ridiculous and not at all helpful to town.

Note, vote never changed from this point. Also note that this vote directly followed a PL vote on Inte. Its clear Rach did not think Inte was scummy, but rather anti-town.

↑ RachMarie wrote:TBH Grey, you just got in before I did. Inte has not been useful to finding scum in this game, and he is being a total distraction to the town here.

↑ RachMarie wrote:I have a question Uber I know you have a very good record on finding scum, but why are you so SURE that Inte is town? His posting has been chaotic at best and well rather annoying at times. The constant changes on his claim bother me.

Chaotic and annoying = scum?

↑ RachMarie wrote:I have a gut read since I have not had a chance thanks to a lot of shit in RL happening to focus on a lot of ISO research which I use to provide a case for my vote. There is something about you that sets off my scumdar Inte and I need to peg what that is.

Now that things are settling down in RL I should be able to do more ISO research and my brain should be functioning better.

↑ RachMarie wrote:No I did not keep my vote on you JUST because of those posts, I kept my vote on you because of
your reaction
to having ONE vote on you (after Grey unvoted you that is and you were still complaining because I had a vote on you), Voting for one dude while pushing another ones lynch, the claim situation, need I go on?

↑ RachMarie wrote:I saw scum claim tracker in Open 397 (I was scum in that game and T and P a hydra) who was one of my scum buds fake claimed tracker).

Rach fails to mention that was a Pick Your Poison set-up, so scum can easily fake-claim there. Also, what the hell does that have to do with this?

↑ RachMarie wrote:
↑ inte wrote:btw her vote is still on me for being anti-town

if she flips scum im willing to bet that grey isn't scum

actually, you should hide behind her

lol

↑ RachMarie wrote:I thought he was very scummy and the self vote and SK nonsense did not help. I was actually surprised he turned out to be town. We could not trust him to be honest about his role with all the back and forth he did.

BTW I would not automatically assume we do not have an SK since there was doc protection running about, there is a couple of possibilities I could see.

1. SK targets someone that is doc protected or that Johnny jailed and is role blocked.

2. Bus driver might have done something and instead of living because JD hid behind a townie, JD died.

Of course NK analysis is rather WIFOMy but just don't want to see us get too set in stone that there is no SK, personally I think it is more likely that the target was roleblocked for the SK. I think we need to keep the option open until we have more data.

"I thought he was very scummy and the self vote and SK nonsense did not help. I was

actually

surprised he turned out to be town." Use of actually implies she naturally wouldn't be surprised he was town. This is a somewhat proven scum-tell. (imo)

↑ RachMarie wrote:TBF you are probably right that there was scum on that wagon HOWEVER I may point out that the way Inte played was suspicious with his changing his mind on his roles etc and other things he posted made him SEEM scummy and fake claiming. If I had the tracker role, I would have been far more supportive of helping town win. Though I know having PRs can be a difficult position to be in since I have been there, and I am glad I am not a PR in this case just VT.

Meanwhile, lurking is a null tell, especially since I am trying to catch up on the sheer amount of volume of posts since the day started. I want to sort it out and regroup. I was wrong on Inte, but he just seemed so SCUMMY.

No. Your ISO suggests you "thought" he was anti-town. Only MUCH(like 800 posts?) later after stuff happened did you say he was on your scumdar. Rather easy to just keep your vote there.

Die scum die.

BK201 · Thu Aug 09, 2012 1:46 pm

↑ drmyshotgun wrote:@BK: Well, she wasn't on this wagon.

↑ drmyshotgun wrote:Here's GreyWing lynch.

Greywing - 6 - JohnnyFarrar, BK201, UberNinja, Near, Bitmap, drmyshotgun

But you were.
You telling me that this is 100% Town-driven lynch on a Town player?

Most likely its not. Scum would be Kondi and/or Bitmap.

BK201 · Thu Aug 09, 2012 1:51 pm

↑ drmyshotgun wrote:Tut. Kondi is Town.
Bitmap will die tonight.
Hurm.

Kondi is NOT conf town.
Doesn't matter who dies tonight if I'm lynched today.
Think about that.

BK201 · Thu Aug 09, 2012 1:54 pm

Lynch obvious scum or don't say I didn't tell you so.

BK201 · Thu Aug 09, 2012 3:12 pm

↑ kondi2424 wrote:Also just realized something and feel dumb about it. It's really freaking obvious that there's scum in the docs. Three docs, and none of them protected JF. That didn't happen. Near is the most competent of the three, and therefore the scummiest for the incident.

When you see trash on the street, do you jump to pick it up? No, surely someone else will pick it up.

BK201 · Thu Aug 09, 2012 5:23 pm

This is ridiculous.

Please don't ignore my case, thanks.

BK201 · Thu Aug 09, 2012 7:09 pm

UNVOTE:
while I read new pages.

BK201 · Sat Aug 11, 2012 7:41 am

↑ Near wrote: Also, if there is SK among VT do you think that the SK was intentionally not shooting? SK in PR may withhold his shot, but SK in VT would not. Also, if SK shot, JF would not be SK's primary target... He would have tried to target one of the scums from the VT pool.

This. There was all that talk about if there is a SK, then there is at least 1 fake claimer in the docs. If the SK was from the VT pool he would have just killed.

Drm/Near are town. Bit is the SK if we have one, but could still be a doc at this point.

Rach is most definitely scum. Kondi is probably scum.

RBD I really hope is town but his defense of rach is troubling. Either way Rach goes first. Psyche might be third scum, really needs to post his reads.

VOTE: Rach

BK201 · Sat Aug 11, 2012 8:32 am

claims:

BK201 - VT
Kondi - VT
Trevor - VT
Psyche - VT
Rainbow - VT
Rach - VT
Near - Doc
Bitmap - Doc

BK201 · Sat Aug 11, 2012 10:07 am

↑ RachMarie wrote:
↑ RachMarie wrote:
@ Mod V/LA till tomorrow

(of course this mod already knows that )

Sorry guys but I have to do a THIRD night of the sleep study they have determined I do have moderate sleep apnea and that the regular CPap is not going to work for me so now I have to try the bi-level one

back tomorrow though with more thoughts on this game.

What part of this did you boys not get? Seems like scum looking for an easy lynch. I had no internet access while I was doing the sleep study. I am back home and I really need a nap did not get much sleep last night with them putting the mask on and off and it beeping a fair bit and having to be readjusted.

I will be then commenting quite a BIT on this game.

You always have an excuse. I'm also really surprised a super busy town player wouldn't replace out for the good of her team.

BK201 · Sat Aug 11, 2012 11:44 am

RBD, did you totally miss my case?

BK201 · Sat Aug 11, 2012 11:45 am

↑ Bitmap wrote:I honestly think Kondi's just bussing Rach because Rach is the weaker scum member. DLG is scum because Uber and Kondi are distancing from him.

Same. Kondi loves to bus anyways. I've read up on him.

BK201 · Sat Aug 11, 2012 11:52 am

↑ Bitmap wrote:So can we get a Kondi lynch going? I'm not settling for a nl.

I'm not moving off of Rach.

BK201 · Sat Aug 11, 2012 12:27 pm

I just read Rach's ISO of open 414 since it just ended. She was town, and had some activity issues. But she still freaking posted actual assessments. Not here.

And please counter my case.

BK201 · Sat Aug 11, 2012 8:11 pm

↑ Psyche wrote:
Rach's activity may be a consequence of her ongoing life experiences, and I don't think any lynch off of THAT is good enough for MYLO. We need actual scumtells. Her play has been rather poor, but I need scummy. I think that I'll have more success understanding her with an iso.

Once again, try reading my case again. It isn't about her activity, its about what she

has

posted.

↑ Psyche wrote:Kondi and UN are annoyingly unreadable, as always.

Unreadable? I'm pretty sure in past games you've placed a read on Kondi. Try reading the 19 pages of open 419, or basically any of his scum games. (I've read up on 2 just to study Kondi, and I've played with Kondi twice where he was scum) Kondi loves to say people are town for whatever reason he can (townslips), and he also loves to bus. I see something he did this game already mirrors something he did in 419, I'll let you figure it out yourself.

↑ Psyche wrote:I'm avoiding association tells this game, because I tried it in a lot of past games after getting to LYLO and totally f'd up..!

Nice excuse.

BK201 · Sat Aug 11, 2012 8:13 pm

↑ Bitmap wrote:Scum's just using Rach as bait for easy town cred. It's kind of obvious.

As I'm the only one pushing for a Rach lynch, you could have just said BK's just using Rach as bait for easy town cred. Kondi doesn't want to commit to bussing her because he can easily just win this today.

Fixed quote tag. ~~NS

BK201 · Sat Aug 11, 2012 8:14 pm

↑ kondi2424 wrote:Just came back from my trip. It was an interesting experience. I almost got arrested for accidentally trespassing in a hotel... with guys from my youth group.

Anyway, I guess I'll do this. There's not enough support for a Bitmap lynch, and you're the only one I'm sure is Mafia.

VOTE: RD

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Kondi
You die today.

BK201 · Sat Aug 11, 2012 8:44 pm

Haha ^

BK201 · Sat Aug 11, 2012 8:47 pm

I'm not talking to you.

nananabooboo

BK201 · Sun Aug 12, 2012 7:21 am

Kondi is by no means easy to read. In fact I think he is really deadly which is why I took the time to study him.

A big WTF to Psyche coordinating quick-hammer by saying when he'll be back.

BK201 · Sun Aug 12, 2012 8:05 am

Was mostly being sarcastic...

I'm not that dumb.

BK201 · Sun Aug 12, 2012 8:12 am

↑ Psyche wrote:Oh, darn. I thought I had elicited a scumslip.

I'm here for 10 minutes.

Stop that.

BK201 · Sun Aug 12, 2012 8:14 am

By sarcastic I meant half-kidding.

I'll be here for 20 minutes. Make sure you post so #3 knows we're on.

BK201 · Sun Aug 12, 2012 8:19 am

Psyche, you could at least respond to http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 2#p4252772

BK201 · Sun Aug 12, 2012 2:29 pm

RBD posted all that within a minute. RBD is town.

BK201 · Sun Aug 12, 2012 2:32 pm

And Kondi isn't the SK. If we have a SK then he is within the Doc claims, otherwise why did he not kill tonight?

BK201 · Sun Aug 12, 2012 2:33 pm

↑ Trevor wrote:
↑ BK201 wrote:RBD posted all that within a minute. RBD is town.

Can't tell if you are being sarcastic or just giving out really (bad/fake) reasoning

I can see how that would seem sarcastic, but no I already had a town-read on RBD. The fact he posted all of that in one minute means he is ridiculously fast thinking as scum or was genuine town.

BK201 · Sun Aug 12, 2012 2:37 pm

↑ BK201 wrote:
↑ Near wrote: Also, if there is SK among VT do you think that the SK was intentionally not shooting? SK in PR may withhold his shot, but SK in VT would not. Also, if SK shot, JF would not be SK's primary target... He would have tried to target one of the scums from the VT pool.
This. There was all that talk about if there is a SK, then there is at least 1 fake claimer in the docs. If the SK was from the VT pool he would have just killed.

Drm/Near are town. Bit is the SK if we have one, but could still be a doc at this point.

Rach is most definitely scum. Kondi is probably scum.

RBD I really hope is town but his defense of rach is troubling. Either way Rach goes first. Psyche might be third scum, really needs to post his reads.

VOTE: Rach

BK201 · Mon Aug 13, 2012 8:06 am

Check it out, no quick-lynch.

Either Kondi is scum or at least 2 of Bitmap, RBD, and myself are scum.

BK201 · Mon Aug 13, 2012 5:37 pm

↑ kondi2424 wrote:

A Doctor mislynch is not an autoloss. One of the other Doctors can get a protection, and if there's a liar in the Docs, the SK can still kill a Mafioso.

Way to mislead. Any mislynch today is basically an auto-loss.

BK201 · Mon Aug 13, 2012 5:40 pm

↑ BK201 wrote:Check it out, no quick-lynch.

Either Kondi is scum or at least 2 of Bitmap, RBD, and myself are scum.

BK201 · Mon Aug 13, 2012 6:43 pm

↑ kondi2424 wrote:
↑ BK201 wrote:
↑ kondi2424 wrote:

A Doctor mislynch is not an autoloss. One of the other Doctors can get a protection, and if there's a liar in the Docs, the SK can still kill a Mafioso.
Way to mislead. Any mislynch today is basically an auto-loss.

There are Doctors. Doctors can save people. There may be an SK. SKs can kill scum. You call this misleading?

This was also based on RD saying that a Doctor lynch was an autoloss while a VT lynch wasn't. Is she not misleading for saying a VT lynch isn't an autoloss?

No, there is hardly any chance a NK will be prevented. Scum have RB, Strongman, and Bus-drive to fuck with doc protection. I'm assuming they still have one.