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[Quilford]

VOTE: Bitmap

For liking Hitler. Also, you're scum.

[Quilford]

The mod is town? Isn't he playing against his wincon by not revealing the scum, then?

@Nexus: please reveal the scum in your next post or I'm taking this to mith. Ta.

[Quilford]

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Staeg

[Quilford]

DCLXVI is also pretty bad.

[Quilford]

But I like Michel and MattP. They are good townies. b(.__.)b

[Quilford]

In other news, bitmap is town cause scum don't come in to the game saying they like hitler. That's just asking for trouble.

Quilford's response is null cause bitmap was just asking for RVS votes.

ICEguy piling on like that on bitmap is very scummy, along with asking for an obviously bad nameclaim leads me to say that I think a ICEguy lynch right now is the direction we need to be heading.

Seriously though, what would you guys think of a mass name claim?

Did nexus give you an awesome fakeclaim you are dying to try out?

VOTE: DCLXVI

That's a bad push and you should feel bad.

And yes, as said above, I have an idea how a mass name claim could be beneficial; I'm simply asking if anybody has any reason in particular why we should not do it.

So your response is an Omgus and AtE.

Overreact much?

[Quilford]

Omgus

VOTE: DCLXVI

Not OMGUS. OMGUS = primarily voting for someone because they voted for you.

AtE

That's a bad push and you should feel bad.

Not AtE. What the fuck? There is exactly zero attempt to play on your emotions here. If anything, IceGuy's being humorous.

Ad hominem

Playing true to your signature, I see.

Not

ad hominem

.

Ad hominem

is attacking the player

instead

of their argument. IceGuy attacked your argument above. It was a bad push. This is just him insulting you.

0/3. Go find a dictionary and come back later.

[Quilford]

The question to Staeg in #19 is flat out rolefishing.

Uh, no it's not. Unless he's a dumbass and goes "Well my role is blah de blah, so I think blah de blah".

unvote, vote: Bitmap

Quilford looks pretty bad, too.

But .bmp is a high quality image format!

[Quilford]

prododge!

more meaningful stuff coming really soon, i'm just going through my games atm in fact!

[Quilford]

Okie dokie tutti frutti.

Sorry MattP but Staeg ain't scum anymore. UNVOTE:

In fact call me crazy but I've got this really weird feeling that all the current squabbling is probably an orgy of Town on Town, a feeling that was strongly reinforced when I checked the activity overview to see that

almost half the friggin game

has made 5 posts or less each whilst the other half totals 106 posts? That's right: ChaosOmega, Vash, MichelSableheart, Shamrock, iDanyboy, and Scooby's posts altogether comprise just over 1 in every 6 posts total??

So much scum is wallowing in that swamp of lurkers. Let's heat it up.

[Quilford]

Okay so we'll wait for Vash to do his post by post analysis because those things are a *goldmine* for fast alignment determination. Hint: if he ends up not posting one OR he posts a shitty one, he's scum. Nevertheless I itch to vote him because offering a post by post is just typical scum appeasement for lurking. Then they put the analysis off forever and ask for replacement under the guise of not being able to keep up with the pace of the game.

ChaosOmega looks really really super duper textbook scum. The first three of his posts are stirring up shit about nameclaiming and setup spec, and then he chucks in some unexplained reads - scroll down - (which I admit I do too, but these ones are bad

because if he was

actually

engaged in his set-up discussion, you'd think he'd have some pretty strong reads on the other people doing it too. He doesn't.

< this is a really good reason to vote him) And then his latest post is a prod-dodge. Lynch with fire, imo.

Michel I like because his posts are at least pretty meaty and he goes out of his way to interact with other people unlike the other lurkers here. No problemo.

Shamrock is also okay because his voting matches what he's been interested in (the rolefishing shenanigans [NB THIS IS WHAT CHAOS WOULD BE DOING IF HE WERE TOWN]). His thought processes follow and are clear without him doing anything like stating the obvious. If he's not posting much, it's probably because site meta shift between when he last played?

iDanyboy I don't like because he launches onto Bitmap for nameclaim shenanigan related reasons with no prior discussion on the shenanigans in the first place. Also this post is just really, really bad:

I think you are mafia though and you was bussing him and then you used any reason you could to get your vote off him.

scooby's meh. My gut feeling is that he's just lagging town who'll probably have to replace out at some point. :/

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Proposal: probably one and even quite likely two scum are within Vash, ChaosOmega, iDanyboy. Let's lynch one. VOTE: ChaosOmega

[Quilford]

You give me disappoints quilford a lot of them

However you can live for your most recent post for diverting attention from the bitmap wagon

Also now that staeg wagon feasibilty lost steam ill say I like dcl's vote on staeg, nice n juicy

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

Read my point on ChaosOmega I implore you. IMPLORE YOU.

And can we agree that it is likely NOT ALL THE SCUM ARE IN THE PEOPLE POSTING FREQUENTLY? <-- like I actually want a legit answer to this question. gimme gimme

[Quilford]

Ohey, Michel's *already* voting Chaos? Golden.

[Quilford]

ChaosOmega looks really really super duper textbook scum. The first three of his posts are stirring up shit about nameclaiming and setup spec, and then he chucks in some unexplained reads - scroll down - (which I admit I do too, but these ones are bad

because if he was

actually

engaged in his set-up discussion, you'd think he'd have some pretty strong reads on the other people doing it too. He doesn't.

< this is a really good reason to vote him)

Like guys I really think this is a super legit tell. Townies don't pursue a subject for more than half their posts and then suddenly vote with no indication whatsoever that they've drawn any conclusions from their activity. It sensey no makey.

I was so excited when I had this revelation that I had a massive eureka moment so let's sustain my high and vote accordingly.

[Quilford]

Vash's PBPA is terrible. We can lynch him next.

I'll answer ChaosOmega at some point but his latest post is continuing the trend of being ridiculously bad.

[Quilford]

Amrun was the only one out of the active players who I was getting a scumread on, so I can support a lynch on her.

But I want to catch up first/

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Also this post is just really, really bad:

Why? What's so bad about it :/

Because all you do is describe Bitmap's actions around the assumption he's scum. (Scumhunting townies would use Bitmap's actions to

draw the conclusion

he's scum.) I think what you did is a common way for scum to fake scumhunting.

scooby's meh. My gut feeling is that he's just lagging town who'll probably have to replace out at some point. :/

What makes him lagging town and I'm not?

Because of your posts? They're scummy and his aren't.

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The first three of his posts are stirring up shit about nameclaiming and setup spec

Well you made that sound inflammatory for seemingly no reason. I was questioning Staeg because I didn't like his assertion that role name and power are unrelated. My first thought when reading it was

him setting up justification for a fake claim and a PR that don't mesh flavor-wise

. And "stirring up shit about nameclaiming" is blatantly false, since I didn't mention nameclaiming at all.

Bahahahaha. You thought Staeg was setting up justification for a bad fakeclaim? Considering scum are usually given fakeclaims from the moderator, who knows every single other role in the game, any fakeclaim Staeg would give should he be scum would be indistinguishable from a townie's Role PM (insofar as the name and role, anyway). Let me ask you: if you thought something as specific as 'Staeg is setting up justification for a bad fake claim', why didn't you vote him? Or point it out?

I accept that you didn't mention nameclaiming. I misread.

then he chucks in some unexplained reads - scroll down - (which I admit I do too, but these ones are bad

because if he was

actually

engaged in his set-up discussion, you'd think he'd have some pretty strong reads on the other people doing it too. He doesn't.

You're saying I should have "pretty strong reads" on players from discussion within the first 5 pages? That's bullshit. I have gut feelings and inclinations, but nothing really solid. That's why I voted for Bitmap instead. I hate when players relish in the fact that they're not very good and other players give them quarter because of it, it's a slippery slope that allows a player to have a better chance of getting away with scummy behavior.

Haha wait, you voted Bitmap because you personally dislike people who point out that they're bad? So your first three posts were almost entirely about the fallout of IceGuy's nameclaim proposal, but in the end you draw no conclusions about it and instead vote Bitmap because he was being self deprecating? And you don't even mention this is why you voted Bitmap? Doesn't sound very townie to me. Sounds like scum who's moving from one controversy to the next.

I'm also pretty sure that players who partook in the nameclaim shenanigans DID have some pretty strong reads within the first 5 pages, or at least didn't have no reads as a result of the whole thing. Unlike you.

And then his latest post is a prod-dodge.

This implies that you find prod dodges to be scummy. I disagree, but I see the logic behind it. However, when you yourself make a prod dodge post and then try to push this as support for your case, it makes you look pretty silly.

Your prod-dodge was scummy because you posted prod-dodge and then didn't follow it up with any content. My prod-dodge means a sum total of nothing because I said in it "more meaningful stuff coming really soon, i'm just going through my games atm in fact!" and then posted within an hour.

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Vash's Post by Post Analysis is shit. I know most of you probably just really briefly skimmed it, but it's just a summary of each post and then, most commonly, a one word read of that post. And they're all completely predictable. He's just scum having to avoid writing out a summary of each player, which is harder to fake and can be more easily attacked. His justification for MattP being town is really, really bad (off-site scum meta, of all things), and if he were a townie then there would be more obvious behaviour for him to use to support his read. Yeah no.

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lol at Amrun's #207

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ChaosOmega predictably shows up and asks to lynch Bitmap because he's making useless posts that are just noise. Sum total of zero townie motivation here, guys.

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scooby's #224 is good because he explores a new target unprovoked. iDanyboy's response in #231 is super bad, as scooby points out in the next post.

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@Mod: can we have a votecount please?

I'll reassess my vote then.

[Quilford]

Yeah I could be wrong but I'm so much more confident in CO or Vash scum that Shamrock and Amrun don't really seem like great plays today...

[Quilford]

ChaosOmega
iDanyboy
Vash

Less sure on Vash now. Don't like the wagon on him.

[Quilford]

DeasVail, I don't like you.

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I thought Amrun stood a chance of being scum because 1) I believed that there had to be at least one scum amongst the active players 2) I was getting gut tells off her language.

I don't think she is any more because my recollection of her is that she's considerably more aggressive and biting as scum and her posts seem well thought out, especially her reasoning on Bitmap waaay back.

[Quilford]

Just then.

[Quilford]

So do I! b(^_____^)b

[Quilford]

Hi.

VOTE: McStab

^ beautiful lynch

[Quilford]

Okay so we'll wait for Vash to do his post by post analysis because those things are a *goldmine* for fast alignment determination.

Hint: if he ends up not posting one OR he posts a shitty one, he's scum. Nevertheless I itch to vote him because offering a post by post is just typical scum appeasement for lurking.

Then they put the analysis off forever and ask for replacement under the guise of not being able to keep up with the pace of the game.

I get that most people think the analysis sucks, but I am going to finish it. I'll try to be less descriptive.

I am around, I just haven't had the time lately. I'm off the next 2 days so I can hopefully devote more tie to this.

If it hasn't happened already, please replace me. I'm really sorry I haven't had the time for this guys. I kept thinking there would be time later but I've been too tied up.

BAM MOTHERFUCKERS

"Those who do not know history's mistakes are doomed to repeat them." -- George Santayana

okay it's not the exact quote but it's the most game-relevant paraphrase out there

You can thank me later.

[Quilford]

Because he's not here.

Vote McStab if you're not already doing so.

[Quilford]

That wasn't a vote btw in case there's any confusion.

Was it intended to be one?

[Quilford]

Really? I think you're lying.

[Quilford]

And townies never lie.

[Quilford]

I think we can lynch you next.

[Quilford]

Yes okay. Last chance: were you lying?

[Quilford]

So you just proved you were lying?

[Quilford]

McStab (2): Bitmap, ChaosOmega

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VOTE: McStab

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VOTE: McStab

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VOTE: McStab

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Vote: mcstab

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McStab (5): Bitmap, ChaosOmega, MattP, Quilford, Staeg (because Bitmap was already voting for McStab/Vash)

With 13 alive it takes 7 to lynch.

You thought Staeg had put McStab at L-1 because you thought that you would have been putting McStab at L-1 in your botched vote back in post #549.

Obviously you weren't asking him a question because you always colour people's names (with no bold) when you directly address a question to them. Rather, you accidentally put bold tags around McStab's name instead of vote tags.

Quil, is it so important that we continue this or can we stop now?

I'm interested in your explanation for why you lied and then lied about not lying. If you can't provide a decent enough one, I'm just going to sub my own reasoning in, and it involves you being scum.

[Quilford]

With deadline this close, I have no problems hammering.
Vote: McStab

Unfortunately, no hammer for you.

[Quilford]

That wasn't a vote btw in case there's any confusion.

Was it intended to be one?

No, it was intended to be a "McStab look at this" type thing

So you're still maintaining it wasn't intended to be a vote and therefore you weren't lying?

[Quilford]

Well: I think you're scum who intended to vote for McStab, realised your vote was scummy after you posted it, and got lucky in that you didn't use the valid voting notation and there was no immediately obvious reason why it was a botched vote.

Kind of backed up with your vote counting mistake, your insistence that it was you asking McStab a question despite not putting his name in orange as you normally do, you asking him to claim in the same post, and you immediately clarifying that 'it wasn't a vote' in your next post 'in case there's any confusion'.

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Also your predecessor was scum.

[Quilford]

It was half-serious. I was still gauging whether or not you were joking around at the time.

Your question is irrelevant. Are you admitting to lying? If so, why didn't you admit to it earlier?

[Quilford]

If I was admitting to lying, will you think I'm town?

It depends. Answer my questions.

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Just a friendly reminder that in the end, hammering a non-claimant > no lynch from deadline.

[Quilford]

Is this setup balanced.

[Quilford]

Also, fuck, IceGuy, claiming as you did Day 1 was stupid as fuck.

[Quilford]

I don't think this setup was balanced.

By sheer probability, Vigs will hit town targets, and can lose town lynches. It was also

ineffective against one of the scum roles

.
The Tracker had three false positives, one of whom was

a killing role

.
As IceGuy noted, it would be hard for the Gender Cop to realise they were in effect an actual Cop

without a few scum flips

. The role was

also ineffective against one of the scum roles

(the same scum role who was bulletproof -- why would you do that). Also, it was

only two-shot

. What.
The Motivator was as

pro-town as it was pro-scum

, because of the strengths of the scum PRs vs the town PRs.
And if that collection of roles wasn't weak enough, the scum have a

full-powered Roleblocker

to counter them anyway.

This is why you need multiple reviewers.

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So yeah, I think the town was hard done by role-wise. What was supposedly 'great night play' by the scum was really just obvious night play with nothing to counteract it.

And then of course you have people like DCLXVI fakeclaiming Miller and then some insane bout of stupidity leading to a Day 3 ChaosOmega lynch.