Author Mafia - Game Over!

[Marion Zimmer Bradley]

A sharp edge does not automatically make a sword a good weapon. Only the wielder can do that.

-- Brian Herbert and Kevin J. Anderson


I see the sword thrusts have already begun. There must be a Terran among us, or maybe even one of those renegade Alderans!



VOTE: Daily Bugle


What kind of name is that Mestro? For I am sure as I am Comynara and Leronis, that you must be a commoner, you do not even seem to have red hair?

I will be observing all of you closely with my Laran, and find out who the imposters are.

[Marion Zimmer Bradley]

A good novel tells us the truth about its hero; but a bad novel tells us the truth about its author.

--G. K. Chesterton


I am still a tad suspicious of the Daily Bugle. I understand that he has constraints on him because of his native tongue, but I would like to see more from him. However, the haste with which some authors jumped onto the wagon seems a bit suspicious too. I will be watching several of you very closely. If only I had a bit of the Alderan Donas of seeing the future, but I lack that gift. Renegades to the Comyn, they may be, but that gift of foresight and others run strong in them.

For now, I will keep my vote where it lies, while I continue my research. I feel we need to unravel things a great deal more before we retire for the night.

[Marion Zimmer Bradley]

Thinking something does not make it true. Wanting something does not make it real.

-- Michelle Hodkin


You who call yourself God, I have met many men like you in my life. Small minded men who use Scripture to prove that a woman's place is being barefoot and pregnant and most of all, the chattel of men. Many who deny the Goddess, and limit themselves to an unbalanced and skewed view of the world. If you are planning on pursuing me and blackening my name as scum, you will have to do better than saying I am scum because I am female. Have you ever seen a Cheiri? They are both male and female at different times in their lives, though many spend most of their life in a neuter state. Thanks to them interbreeding with the early settlers on Darkover, many powerful Gifts came to the Comyn. All Gods are one God and all Goddesses are one Goddess, just multiple facets thereof. But you need BOTH to be balanced.

[Marion Zimmer Bradley]

There is no such thing as equality for some. Equality must be for all. That is what freedom is. That is what liberty is. No human being is born more or less important than any other. How can we allow ourselves to forget that? What simpler truth is there?

-- David Levithan

A good novel tells us the truth about its hero; but a bad novel tells us the truth about its author.

--G. K. Chesterton


I am still a tad suspicious of the Daily Bugle. I understand that he has constraints on him because of his native tongue, but I would like to see more from him. However, the haste with which some authors jumped onto the wagon seems a bit suspicious too. I will be watching several of you very closely. If only I had a bit of the Alderan Donas of seeing the future, but I lack that gift. Renegades to the Comyn, they may be, but that gift of foresight and others run strong in them.

For now, I will keep my vote where it lies, while I continue my research. I feel we need to unravel things a great deal more before we retire for the night.

33 For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints.

34

Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience, as also saith the law.

35

And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church.

This part is what got to me. As my Keeper reminded me though, I should not let patriarchal nonsense ruffle my feathers so. After all, my father was more understanding, and instead of arranging a marriage, has allowed me to stay in the Towers and accomplish much. Watching the speed with which the wagon has piled upon me though has reminded me of what my primary duty here is. I will analyze both wagons and see a place where to put my vote to better use--on scum. And I will do my best to ignore the disdain of the fairer sex that was portrayed. I must remember that there are many men among the Comyn who would wholeheartedly agree with the above bolded words. Accomplishing my task is far more important than trying to change the viewpoint of someone. It would be like trying to chain a dragon for cooking food.

[Marion Zimmer Bradley]

The next time you’re faced with a choice, do the right thing. It hurts everyone less in the long run.

--Wendelin Van Draanen

Voting Log, Vol. 1 No. 2

Christopher Marlowe - 0

The Daily Bugle - 5 (Marion Zimmer Bradley, Rucks, David Mamet, Lemony Snicket,

Gertrude Stein

)


With 24 alive, it takes 13 to lynch. Deadline is 10/22 at 5PM EST.

Voting Log, Vol. 1 No. 3

Christopher Marlowe - 0

The Daily Bugle - 5 (Marion Zimmer Bradley, Rucks, David Mamet, Lemony Snicket, Moliere)

Marion Zimmer Bradley - 7 (God, ee cummings, Oscar Wilde, Edgar Allan Poe, Gregory Williamson, Thomas Pynchon,

Gertrude Stein

)

Not Voting - 2 (Shakespeare, Brian Jacques)

With 24 alive, it takes 13 to lynch. Deadline is 10/22 at 5PM EST.

In taking a look at varying player ISOs, so far, I have started to see some patterns. In looking at the wagons both of which grew pretty quickly, I also see some patterns.

First the bolded Ms Stein seems not only to have changed votes frequently, but to jump on to both the Bugle wagon, followed by the wagon on me with great speed. She is high on my list of possible Terran infiltrators.

Thomas Pynchon and Mr Cummings are notable for their lack of posting much and both voted for me without any real case or adding to points others made. In fact, Mr. Cummings only has ONE post where he voted me as the wagon du jour. Very opportunistic of them and they remind me so much of the Alderans.

I still have to research a few others, but I feel that we may find scum in these three.

and for now, I will vote for the one I feel most likely of the three.

VOTE: ee cummings

[Marion Zimmer Bradley]

Life is a succession of lessons which must be lived to be understood.

-- Helen Keller


Even at my age, I still learn new things. I am trying to discern the meaning behind some of the authors and their words. Even someone with the Ridenow Gift of Empathy, would have some difficulties with the manner of speech some of you portray.

This makes the job of finding those in league with the Terrans and the Alderans much trickier.

@ Thomas what do you mean by flatlander? I was raised in the mountains.

@ Charlie, being naked is not a crime especially in the Towers where you are so close to the other Leroni that it is like living with your skin off.


Now that Mr Cummings is actually starting to participate, and I am seeing more from Thomas as well as Ms Stein, I am getting a better handle on them. I will also take a solid look at the words in isolation of the esteemed Ms Austen who seems to have so suddenly come under scrutiny. However for now, I will put my vote on my number 1 suspect of this villainy that has been plaguing us.

VOTE: Gertrude Stein

[Marion Zimmer Bradley]

ooc I have been really busy with RL stuff. Sorry about the long pause. I will do up my reads and give you all my info.

[Marion Zimmer Bradley]

An intelligent person is never afraid or ashamed to find errors in his understanding of things.

--Bryant H. McGill

I must beg everyone's pardon for the length of this post, but I went into a deep trance with my matrix stone and looked at each person's words in isolation to avoid the clamor and confusion.

Brett Ellis

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... er_sort=Go

Extreme lurker and seems to be mainly focused on Jane Austen and we know little or nothing of the rest of his reads. I can definitely see a case for scum lurk here...

(has not posted since Oct 9th)

Scum

Brian Jacques

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... er_sort=Go

Another extreme lurker, however in reading the few points he has posted, I am getting a towny read from him.

Charlie Kaufman

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... er_sort=Go

Another lurker with just a few posts. Again though, like Brian seems more towny. Attempts to scum hunt in admidst the drunken words.

Leaning Town

Christopher Marlowe

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... er_sort=Go

Votes RVS for Dr Seuss then votes for the paper. Not much meat here. Seems in his last post to be trying to figure things out, so Leaning Town.

Leaning Town

David Foster Wallace

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... er_sort=Go


More actual scum hunting here and votes (other than RVS) are made with reasoning. I feel he is definitely one of the townier of the bunch.

Town.

Doctor Seuss

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... er_sort=Go

Still waiting for your response to the prod that hurt..... Are you still with us?

Null

Edgar Allan Poe

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... er_sort=Go

One of our most vocal players. He has made much effort into scum hunting, so I feel he is most likely town, even with the suspicions raised about him.

Leaning Town

ee cummings

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... er_sort=Go

A few posts, not much substance here. Placed a vote early on, on me and has not really provided any thing like a case on me, nor has he provided reads on anyone else. I realize that he is somewhat hampered by his language, and am willing to give him some slack for that, but really he needs to step it up a tad....

Null Leaning Scum.

David Mamet/E L James

David

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... er_sort=Go

Not much here, but it is clear he replaced out due to RL issues so a definite null tell. Most of my read will be on his replacement.


James

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... er_sort=Go

Was a bit difficult to read her circuitous ramblings, however I am getting a sense of townyness from her thoughts. (Though, I can not go deeply into anyone's mind without their permission, or I violate my Monitor's Oath. Something as the monitor for the 1st Circle at Arlinn, I would not do.) As for her misunderstanding of my gender, I do have a fair bit of Cheiri blood in my ancestry, hence the six fingers and the androgynous build.) I am leaning town on miss James.

Leaning Town.

Gertrude Stein

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... er_sort=Go

Miss Stein is still one of my strongest suspects for scum. She has vote hopped precisely when the wagon on someone starts growing and likely to go through. She has provided little or no reasons for her votes. Her entire case on voting me the second time seems to be that I have not provided the info (which I am currently doing.)

Scum

Gregory Williamson

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... er_sort=Go

Trying to figure him out is somewhat painful due to his language. Makes me wish I had more Ridenow blood in me since they have a lot of empathy and ability to speak to varying peoples. Would like to get more from him kinda leaning null for now.

Null

James Joyce

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... er_sort=Go

Drunken ramblings are seeming of some value. Seems to approve of policy lynches to insure we do not end up in an NL situation. Actual reads. I would say he is town.

Town.

Jane Austen

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... er_sort=Go

Considering the amount of lurking in this game she picks me as the uber lurker and casts a vote on me while reminding people time is short. hmmmm I was leaning town, but that definitely pings my scumdar, since it is a move I have done in the past as scum in other games.

Leaning Scum.

JBP

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... er_sort=Go


A whole 2 posts. I realize it is a tad tiring to have to translate en Francais so the rest of us can follow along, but seriously you need to post more... However gives a solid case on his vote on Austen. Leaning Town.

Lemony Snicket

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... er_sort=Go

One of our more active players. Unlike Austen, he seems to have more of a reason for switching over to me. (He is mistaken, but at least he has reasoning.) We are getting low on time and need to vote. Town

God

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... er_sort=Go

Other than your view of women, I actually agree with a lot of what you have said. I do feel you are well meaning though with your points. I have placed you in the town pile and will do my best not to rail you on your ideas that women are to be chattel and property of some man.

Town.

Mark D

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... er_sort=Go

Hmm something seems to be wrong with this poor chap. Is he even still concsious? Mayhap I should ask my Keeper about the Tower helping him so he can rejoin us in our discussions? I disagree with his vote on Rucks, His second vote seems rather strange too. I do feel that David Foster Wallace is most likely town though.

Null due to lack of posting. (good choice for a policy lynch).

Oscar Wilde

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... er_sort=Go

This dude is town all. He is scum hunting and he is looking carefully at what others are saying.

Town

Rucks

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... er_sort=Go


Another clearly town dude. He is focusing more on dynamics but when he discusses people he does it in a reasoned manner.

Bugle

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... er_sort=Go

Another one that has disappeared off the planet a tad... Maybe we should send out a hunting party for the paper? His last post states something about professors and mayhap they have abducted him for their own nefarious purposes?

Null (possible policy lynch)

Thomas Pynchon

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... er_sort=Go

I had my doubts on him at first, but more and more I think he is likely to be town. Abrasive fellow he is, but he is definitely not a Terran.

Town

Tommy W

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... er_sort=Go

Another one among the missing... Though he gives a solid reason for voting for Austen. So probably is town but just uber lurking way too much and needs to post MORE!

Leaning Town

The Bard

Hmm in reading his words in isolation, I am getting a bad feeling here. He seems to be hiding under the radar and of course his language is very obscure by nature... However he votes and makes his case on David Foster Wallace (and I totally disagree there I believe David is likely town.) And then out of the blue jumps on the wagon on me hmmm opportunistic much there Billy boy?

Leaning Scum


And with time going so quickly I am willing to vote for either Austen or Ellis to insure we do not end the day with a NL.

VOTE: Jane Austen

[Marion Zimmer Bradley]

You may delay, but time will not.

--Benjamin Franklin


Hopefully the mod will give us a bit of time, but just in case since it seems Ellis is the lynch du jour, and I really would hate to see a NL on D1

VOTE: Brett Easton Ellis

[Marion Zimmer Bradley]

I would like to know the answer to that myself Jane?

I am feeling kind of blue at us losing dear David Foster Wallace. I really liked him. But we must move on and find the dastardly Terrans who committed such atrocities as killing him. I guess I will go back to my Keeper for more lessons too. And will then reassess my list of villains once more.... Back soon my fellow Commyn and Commynara.

Also a gracious thank you to our esteemed Hastur of Hasturs for hosting this party so well. Z'parvdu

[Marion Zimmer Bradley]

Due to some RL issues that I had not expected I will be V/LA for a few days. I have informed our dear esteemed Hastur of Hasturs of this issue.

I will be back to discuss the villainy of the Terrans as soon as I can.

[Marion Zimmer Bradley]

I have a few moments from my major project that is keeping me away from you folk.

I doubt that Seuss is a Terran since the hammer was far too easy to be picked up and scrutinized and I can't see scum doing that. Personally I would think we need to look closer at those before Seuss on the wagon.

I welcome the new players for at least livening up the discussion in this game, however I am not that impressed with Mestro Phelps. But that is a personality thing, and so far as far as alignment goes, he seems to be Darkovan and not Terran.


Pedit

You can call me MZB if it is easier on you there Gertrude...

[Marion Zimmer Bradley]

Hey everyone I am not currently in residence in my Tower with my circle and my Keeper atm. I am currently at Armida where I grew up attending to family matters. Hence the reason for V/LA. I will address your concerns in time when I can. Right now I must get things prepared to go to Hali for interment of my sire's remains.

[Marion Zimmer Bradley]

Mestro Confucius makes a very valid point there Mestro Poe... Like me you have commented on the suspicious nature of the wagon on easy target Mestro Seuss. I have on numerous occasions seen such derpy type hammers and they have turned out to be fellow Darkovans and were strung up as Terrans. I remember one time when we did not string up the fellow and his replacement the esteemed Thor with his lightning wit, was able to unravel the pieces and find the scum who was so cleverly hiding.

So why are you voting and laying suspicions on others instead of exploring the people ON the easy street wagon? And maybe just maybe comparing them with those on the wagon on Ellis? Perchance where the two meet mayhap lie scum?

Mestro Joyce I think you have a bit of a misunderstanding of the idea of active lurking.... My sire was old beyond his years and yet he stubbornly insisted upon breaking horses at his age. (Armida is well known for the finest horses in all of Darkover). Unfortunately one of them proved more able than my sire. If you would like to switch places and deal with my relatives and go through my sire's papers, be my guest... I would much rather be in my sweet Tower with my circle and my Keeper doing the monitor work I love so much.

Mestro Shakespeare, you have a reputation of being quite the Bard and yet you are being rather miserly with your verbiage here. You shout my name and yet provide nothing else. Do you have anything resembling a case or just shouting to keep people from looking at you as a possible Terran Spy?

Mestro Cummings as usual you are tunneling something fierce. Again with no cause. In addition to grieving for my poor stubborn sire, I am also grieving for the loss of our dear departed David Foster Wallace. The terrible Terrans must have some type of special weapon to have caused his demise even with all the precautions taken to keep him safe. By my Monitor's Oath I am forbidden to harm anyone so while you and others are focusing on me, the Terrrans are laughing at you all.

I find some wisdom in the words of the forementioned

[Marion Zimmer Bradley]

uggh that was bizarre. To finish the above:

I find some wisdom in the words of the aforementioned words of Confucius and those of Mestro Wilde. I also would like to know what kind of case could be made on Mestro Rucks? If Mestra James could please come back and explain? I do not see even a bit of Terran in him and I would like to understand Mestra James' reasoning for declaring him most vile?

[Marion Zimmer Bradley]

Mestro Cummings are you going to actually respond to the comments I made to you, or are you going to continue to blacken my name while the Terrans laugh at you and your utter lack of a case?

As for your accusation of stalling I posted a great deal of meat for several people to respond to (you included) which I daresay is far more scumhunting than you have done so far in this game.

Something like actual reads from you might be appreciated by not just myself but many others in this circle of players. If it is too cumbersome for your writing style, then do it ooc but we need something more from you than what you have produced thus far.


Mestro Phelps with your rather volatile language, besides your constant tunneling of the rhyming Seuss, do you have any other offerings to help us sort out the Terrrans from the Darkovans? What are your thoughts on other players? Preferably in plain Casta please without the heated rhetoric.

We have a job to do here and we need all hands on deck to accomplish said task.

When I have a few moments peace from dealing with relatives and paperwork, I will compare the wagon on Seuss with the wagon on Ellis and find what patterns I may.

[Marion Zimmer Bradley]

Bret Easton Ellis - 11 (James Joyce, Thomas Pynchon, David Foster Wallace, Rucks, Marion Zimmer Bradley,

Jane Austen

, Charlie Kaufman, Oscar Wilde, Gregory Williamson, Edgar Allan Poe, ee cummings) L-2


(last two being

Lemony Snicket

and Dr Seuss as the hammer)

Dr. Seuss - 4 (

Jane Austen

,

Lemony Snicket

, Phelps (who replaced Brian Jacques), Gertrude Stein)

Looking at these is making my head hurt. I will also take a look at those who are calling Seuss scum, but who have not yet laid down a vote.

2 names are on both wagons: Mestra Austen and Mestro Snicket. I am going to take a good look at their ISOs.

In rereading Mestro Snicket's ISO, I find it hard to believe he could be Terran. He is too methodical, too logical, and seems to be making a serious effort to find the Terrans in our midst. In fact, I would not be surprised that he turns out to be not only Darkovan, but also Comyn. Do you perchance have red hair there LS?


In rereading Mestra Austen's ISO a pattern emerges... She not only changes her vote quite frequently, she tries to vote and raise a finger of suspicion in the same post against 2 different people. (Trying to have your cake and eat it too?) She also slips back on Seuss on D2 after helping the Ellis wagon on D1. While she is voting for Seuss, she casts a slur on Mestro Poe which seems to be part of her pattern.


I think we may have found one of the Terran spies in our midst

VOTE: Jane Austen

[Marion Zimmer Bradley]

To our esteemed Hastur of Hasturs (our mod), it seems that the careful insertion of a bovine tool upon the following persons might help (the ol cattle prod).

Mestra James
Mestra Stein
God
Mestro Marlowe
Mestro Seuss the aforementioned easy target
Mestro Kauffman
and Mestro Pynchon.

One thing my Keeper has said many times is that every person in the circle, no matter what job they do be it Keeper down to Monitor like humble self, is less important than another. To unravel everything and find those Terran spies in our midst, we need everyone working together here.

(ooc) it is pretty bad when I who am dealing with all the final stuff to sort things out and so on and am out of town have posted more than some of the players here. I want to see more activity ladies and gentlemen since lack of it only benefits scum.

[Marion Zimmer Bradley]

ooc

I will do what I can. Things will be easier in early December when I am not out of town going through my father's things, and on a so so net connection. (piggyback of a neighbor's unsecured wifi).

[Marion Zimmer Bradley]

Mestro Pynchon

Here you will see Mestro Evan doing pretty much the same thing as Mestro Seuss. (He then later replaced out to be replaced in by the esteemed Comyn Thor)...

Newbie 1227

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 0#p4000220 In Post 419, he slams the hammer on poor Mestro Thomith (granted many thought he was a Terran spy, but look at how the hammer happened.) The players later assumed he was town though, and of course when he was replaced by Comyn Thor, he completely exonerated the spot AND won the game for town, by tracking down the real Terran spy that was left.

[Marion Zimmer Bradley]

Mestra Stein is that perchance you dangling bait for some fish to latch onto? Or are you showing ignorance of Darkovan culture? hmmm.

When one goes to train in the Towers the very first Oath that is taken is the Monitor's Oath. And often the first role you are trained FOR is a Monitor. Some, like me have their Laran more suited to remain a monitor. Though I also have had some training as a matrix mechanic, being a monitor is my strongest suit. I am just outside the circle and maintain their health and well being while they accomplish the Circle's tasks. The Keeper of course is the one in charge of the Circle. I hope that clears things up more, since you seem a tad ignorant of Darkovan culture.

I should be back at my Tower on Sunday. By then my sire's things will be dealt with and then it is waiting for the trip to Hali to bury him in an unmarked grave as all the Comyn are.

(ooc I would recommend reading MZB's Darkover series and you would understand my character references more
Some basics though.

The Towers are where those with significant enough Laran (Gifts) are trained to do much of the work such as healing, mining, and other things that are too difficult to do any other ways. Darkover is considered "barbarian" by the Terrans because they have little metals and industrialization. A matrix is a jewel that those with Laran can use to focus their gifts more intensely and in addition to the personal stones, there are large lattices with multiple stones that require a circle of workers to use. These workers are unified together under a Keeper while a Monitor keeps everyone from harm such as relieving pain that might interfere with their concentration or if their breathing becomes irregular fixing that and so on).

[Marion Zimmer Bradley]

Mestro Confucius makes a very valid point there Mestro Poe... Like me you have commented on the suspicious nature of the wagon on easy target Mestro Seuss. I have on numerous occasions seen such derpy type hammers and they have turned out to be fellow Darkovans and were strung up as Terrans. I remember one time when we did not string up the fellow and his replacement the esteemed Thor with his lightning wit, was able to unravel the pieces and find the scum who was so cleverly hiding.

So why are you voting and laying suspicions on others instead of exploring the people ON the easy street wagon? And maybe just maybe comparing them with those on the wagon on Ellis? Perchance where the two meet mayhap lie scum?

This bolded above is the Reason for looking at both wagons.


Analysis of Mestro Austen's ISO :

Pardons for the length to the rest of the players.

Miss Austen was about to venture something about how the rest of the posters weren't moving the game along;

Vote: David Mamet

(switches from early RVS to hime because he was not speaking (though there were others as well so why particularly him?)

If not for the scummy nature of Mr. Mamet, I would find myself voting Dr. Seuss; sadly I have only one vote and it is promised to another. With Dr Seuss, I am afraid we have a scum hiding waiting for an opportunity; where he will rush up only to hide again, and wait for the next opportunity. I know this this, yet I am made unhappy, and I have good reason to be: I can not exercise my suspicion of Seuss without leaving Mamet with just the tendrils of suspicion, and none of my fellows are willing to make the first leap onto Seuss; though that would be the gallant thing to do.

The alacrity in which that paragraph had been been written lead to the missing of two major reasons to calm my soul; the two great heroes who have voted Seuss. While others focus on distractions that shall lead to nothing; that

can't

lead to anything. Although I still

FOS: Mamet

I can with comfort

Vote: Seuss

Switches over to Seuss (as things move to make him seem suspicious to several others, BUT does a FoS at Mamet, this is something I have often seen Terrans do to keep a foot in both camps so to speak.)

I concur with the views that we must have more activity, and I agree with Mr Wilde's vote for Dr. Seuss, but we must remember that Seuss is not simply the chosen lurker. Votes must not go his way only because he does not post! Those posts that he has made are scumminess in their purest form, and that is why we must vote him; I consider the repetition of these messages my strongest duty. I only hope those posters who have not posted in a while shall read my words again when in a more agreeable mood, and sharply change their votes.

Now alternates between blacking the name of Mestro Seuss while commenting he is not the only lurker which was her reason for voting for him in the first place! Seems like giving herself an out if things go bad so she can say oh it was just a pressure vote to get him to stop lurking.

Joyce is perhaps right, but when lurking is so commonplace surely lurking out of sight is better disguised - less likely to get a person in trouble?

For surely Joyce cannot believe that his threesome has posted less useful information than those who have not posted at all! As such I consider being in love with one's own voice, rather than scumhunting a null tell; it is a failing on the player's part.

P-Edit: If Seuss was to post more than one post, then I am sure I would find more than one post of his scummy.

WTF??? Do you have some special power that can tell if someone will post a scummy post in the future all based on ONE post which is all that Seuss had posted thus far? My experiences tell me generally town are still weeding through things after only one post,. scum however knows who is town and who is not...Also compare this view of Mestro Joyce with him later.

I...

I am quite taken aback by the unmasked wickedness of your post; I expected to mock your post as one born from selfishness, ego and sexism, but I am afraid I cannot no longer give you that benefit of the doubt.

Vote: Edgar Allen Poe

I ask any player to look at Poe's second quote and then look at in context; you shall see surely that he has quite reversed the meaning. His first paraphrasing is quite the same, surely if I was a horse meat distributor I would hope that you were an eldest son in line for a baronet for, in that case, upon someone remarking that it was "raining cats and dogs" I would be sure to make a great windfall. I do not consider you sincere.

A tad OMGUS here? Voting for him because he pointed a finger at you? What happened to your staunch knowing that Seuss is scum based on one post? Seems a bit jumpy and defensive.

I find Joyce a most understandable, and enjoyable read. I do need to bring it to your attention, I do it only because I care and I expect no thanks, I only wish to have been able to do it sooner, we only have three days to lynch somebody; I shall make an urge for Bradley for she has done nothing to make me consider her to be town.

Vote: Bradley

What? He went from someone in love with his own voice to someone who is an enjoyable read? What is with all the flip flopping? Do you have any specific reads that are not based on who is in the hot seat at that moment? You then use his pleasing words to justify casting a vote on me right at the time when a wagon was forming on me hmmm... You add pressure with oh no we only have 3 days.

Those on Ellis are of better character, and Ellis is more scummy; it seems utterly reasonable that I should vote Ellis. Still it makes me blush, to have been give a fifty-fifty chance of picking a wagon then picking the wrong one is mortifying. I must ignore that and

Unvote, Vote: Ellis

Now you go onto Ellis while ignoring your wishy washy feeling about another (unspecified) wagon. Were you aware he was town but just going along to end the day to talk to your scum buds? While giving yourself an out about oops I guess I picked the wrong wagon?

Can people argue over whether Seuss is here; that he is hiding, and waiting? The so honorable

Poe is still definitely scum, though I'm not voting him, because my suspicions of Seuss have been vindicated; I feel they have been at least.

Vote: Seuss

(Headbang time.) Seuss is scum and Poe is Scum and not voting for Poe even though he is scum because Seuss is scum? Could you please explain this? Personally I doubt very much if both are scum together. It does not fit logically with their posting patterns and what they are saying about each other.

I do hope Mestro Austen this helps with understanding my position and analysis of your ISO.


PS that comment about my Keeper is just a way of saying that no matter what your birth or gender once you enter the Tower everyone is considered equal and judged solely on their personal actions not who their family is or the fact they are female or male. The Hastur of Hasturs would have to still work and learn to use his gifts to the best of his ability just as much as the festival got child of a Comyn and his Barrigana. Or the daughter of a Free Amazon or even a child of pure common blood. What matters is their Laran and their conduct in the Tower and they are all considered of the same level of importance in the Circle.

[Marion Zimmer Bradley]

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Mestro God I will take another look at some of the other players that were on Mestro Ellis's wagon, however I was first looking for patterns between the two wagons.

I am more LA than V. I have a so so net connection at my sire's place as I sort through his things and deal with monetary and legal issues resulting from his untimely and unfortunate demise. Hence the reason for the ribbon on my name for the nonce. I will be back in my Tower sometime on Sunday with better net and hopefully in a better state for thinking about this game and others I am in or modding.

I will say that though I responded a tad hastily to you early on, in looking at the patterns I feel you are most likely Darkovan and not Terran.

[Marion Zimmer Bradley]

I will grant that last point about Poe and can see how you could link him and Seuss, and I of course do not expect you to agree with my analysis, however do you have anything to point to show the villainy of Seuss besides the hammer of Mestro Ellis and the fact he has lurked much in a game full of uber lurking players? I have no clue how many Terran spies we have in our midst since this is not a newbie or open game, but it seems to me highly unlikely that they would throw away one of their members by quick hammering, knowing that there would be a great deal of scrutiny upon the personage of said quick hammer, if the person turned out to be town. (and of course the scum would know that Ellis was town before the flip.)

So far the most fervent players screaming for rope around Mestro Seuss are people I am a tad suspicious of. Plus no one has given me a satisfactory explanation as to why the Terrans would be so quick to sacrifice one of their own with so little gain? He is clearly an experienced player since this is not a newbie game. He would have known that hammering like that would lead to him being scrutinized and he would have known that Ellis was town.

Which is why I am not convinced by the fervent pleas to lynch him at this time. I need more.

[Marion Zimmer Bradley]

"Then after claiming that Rucks, Jacques & Cummings were in love with the sound of their own voice, she claims that Joyce is an easy read! Why the inconsistency, ladies and gentleman?

How praytell were we supposed to know that you were talking about Rucks Jacques and Cummings? You were as I showed in the quote talking to Mestro Joyce? You did not even mention these three at all? But when it is brought to your attention, your response is no I did not mean Joyce, I meant these other dudes? Here is the quote again with it bolded it shows you were talking to Joyce not Rucks Jacqes and Cummings.

Joyce is perhaps right, but when lurking is so commonplace surely lurking out of sight is better disguised - less likely to get a person in trouble?

For surely Joyce cannot believe that his threesome has posted less useful information than those who have not posted at all! As such I consider being in love with one's own voice, rather than scumhunting a null tell; it is a failing on the player's part.

P-Edit: If Seuss was to post more than one post, then I am sure I would find more than one post of his scummy.

[Marion Zimmer Bradley]

Ah a true Darkovan champion I see in Seuss, and clearly a Comyn Lord of honor. No commoner would be willing to go one on one with someone.


VOTE: Jane Austen

[Marion Zimmer Bradley]

Aye we have caught the Terran Spy that makes me very happy. Now to go through and find her conspirators. Such a vile power she had too being able to prevent our people from utilizing theirs. A foul deed indeed.

Mestro Confucius have you seen a Darkovan sword dance? An act of beauty and courage. I highly admire the courage of Lord Seuss he is clearly of noble birth and honor. He clearly adheres to the Compact where no one will use a weapon that does not put them in equal risk. A sword is a fine weapon and has far more honor than these Terrans with their guns and bombs that kill from a distance with no risk at all to the Terrans themselves. We must find the rest that are hiding in our midst.

I am still tired from the long trek from Armida to Hali and then finally back home to my Tower again. I do plan on researching the conversations Austen had with people to see if I can help uncover the others.

I do feel like a bit of scrutiny on the Bard and on Mestro "I hate those who are different" Phelps is in order, since they were the most virulent for hanging Seuss.

[Marion Zimmer Bradley]

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I am totally wiped from spending almost 2 weeks going through my father's things and so on. I will definitely be more active now.

[Marion Zimmer Bradley]

Mestro Confucius I noticed several not mentioned in your above list in post 438, I wondered if you have had time to formulate an opinion of them yet? I find your insights very helpful in trying to sort out who are the Terrans and I feel, based on your posts, that you are probably of good Darkovan stock. I do need to compare you to your predecessor.

I still have concerns about the Bard and Mestro Stein myself. As for the pressure by some of the players on Mestro Phelps, I have my suspicions of him, but I need to read him more deeply in context to make sure I am not making the same mistake I did early on with God. After all the views held by Metro Phelps as abhorrent and intolerant as they are, do not indicate his alignment.

[Marion Zimmer Bradley]

Mestro Pynchon and Mestro Poe could you explain your reasoning for calling Mestro Joyce a Terran? I felt his byplay with the late spy Austen to be more genuine and not a sign of scummy behavior. Do you really think he would be so obviously supporting her then bussing her? I read that as more of a native Darkovan who finally realized he was wrong.

[Marion Zimmer Bradley]

Mestro Danieleski if you want to be noticed more then post more.

Mestro Shaft, I am of the female gender and definitely not Emasca. Had I not been set on a career in the Tower, my father would have married me off years ago and by now I would have several children.

Mestro Poe could you come back and explain a tad your odd post? I understand the first three lines, but that last line looks very much like some Terran gibberish.

Mesto Pynchon if you could please answer my question if you would be so kind?

[Marion Zimmer Bradley]

In looking at those we have wagons on. Mestro Phelps though he seems a bit aggravating and closed minded, that does not rule him out as Darkovan. Though many of our people are understanding of different lifestyles, there are those who call Laranzus sandal wearers and lovers of men, because they do not fit the traditional male role for the Comyn. In the Towers, especially we have learned to accept and accommodate love in any form . Many very conservative old men however, are quite closed minded. The Christforo Brethren also look upon men who have been with men with horror. But though the Terrans are very anti any lovers of men or lovers of women, it does not mean that Mestro Phelps is a Terran spy solely based on this attitude. His tunneling on Mestro Seuss is also not enough to assume he is Terran.

Mestro Shakespeare, however, seems far more likely a candidate to be a Terran spy. He has posted with very little information and seems to want to avoid the limelight. He refused to answer several questions. (including one I made). He is supposed to have a reputation as a man of great word skills, but he votes people without explaining anything. Hiding his thought process from the rest of us is not a very Darkovan thing to do.


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Time is running short, and though I would prefer we had more information about more of the players in this game a lynch needs to happen. Rarely is a NL a good idea and this is not one of those rare cases.


VOTE: Shakespeare

[Marion Zimmer Bradley]

I would like to hear from Mestro Hogan and Mestro Elliot.

In reading the large tome of information known as the Wiki, I have discovered that a lightning rod role takes everything onto him or herself. So I think even more so than usual trying to analyze the night actions would be far to a heady a wine to drink this early in the morning. Let us focus on more on the ties between the found Terran spies and others.

[Marion Zimmer Bradley]

Are we really so impatient to string up Mestro Joyce before everyone has had a chance to speak? For the nonce I will cast my vote on my primary suspect, however I think there is a lot to be said about this case on Mestro Joyce. I need to reread the gladiator battle to check some things. For her blatant role fishing first of myself, and now of Poe,

VOTE: Mestra Stein

[Marion Zimmer Bradley]

Our circle spent much time in work last night taking care of Darkovans, and I can say that I definitely feel Mestra Stein is a Terran Spy...


VOTE: Gertrude Stein

[Marion Zimmer Bradley]

We can deal with the truth of the matter about Mestro Hogan later. Right now it is very important that Mestra Stein eat rope. I am not as sold on the idea that a fruit vendor as a mafia role, so it is better to go after someone who is far more likely to be scum.

We do know there are two mafia teams, but how many would be on each team? I have no idea.

[Marion Zimmer Bradley]

Why are you claiming now Mestro Wilde? If you have a guilty we should know about it. If you do not, you should have stayed quiet to prevent scum from knowing who you are.

Mestro Confucius is there more about your role in the Wiki? I am not familiar with it. As for the lightning rod, my understanding is all night actions were rebounded on him with kill trumping other later actions in the list so graciously provided by our esteemed Hastur of Hasturs. I may not have full understanding though it is a tad confusing.

OOC How likely is it that they would have a mafia fruit vendor? Besides both mafia teams are already fairly power heavy based on the flips so far. Especially Mestra Austen with her roleblocking ability. Mestro Shakespeare was a strongman, and Mestro Joyce (DGB) was a JOAT. Surely at least some of the scum would be regular goons? And that is your answer Confucius of why Mestro Wallace died, the scum were strong, too strong. My inclination is that Mestro Ellis was more likely killed by a vig shot instead of by mafia. Though I am not 100% sure, that is my reasoning based on the fact that he was an uber lurker. We need our PRs not to be claiming at this time unless they have information that is vital. We need more votes on Stein.

[Marion Zimmer Bradley]

uggh sorry for the double post I do not know why it did that

at mod could you remove one of my double posts thanks.

[Marion Zimmer Bradley]

sorry about that. I meant Bugle not Ellis. I am not at home right now due to the holidays. Bugle was a major lurker.

[Marion Zimmer Bradley]

Ahem Mestro Hogan I do believe that Mestro Wilde claimed Cop and that Mestro Confucious claimed Prostitute which seems to be a cross between a Roleblocker and a mini role cop.

Also welcome back Mestra James though your quote was from Mestra Austen a vile Terran spy who was able to keep our town people from using their powers, not from my humble self. BTW I do wish you would get my gender straight, I am most definitely female. I am Comynara and usually called either Lady Bradley or Leronis Bradley (to indicate my position as a monitor in the Tower.) I do not see why you persist on blackening the name of Mestro Rucks. Especially when we definitely have a Terran spy who needs a rope woven around her neck. My friends call me MZB.


As for the quote itself, I very much feel that Mestra Stein harbors much ill will against Mestro Poe for no real reason. I think he is most likely innocent of the charge and that Mestra Stein wants him dead either by lynch or other means.

So Mestra James why are you so willing to support the word of the vile Mestra Austin over that of our good fellow Poe? And what do you think of Mestra Stein? About the back and forth tween Metro Wilde, Mestro Confucius, and Mestro Hogan?

[Marion Zimmer Bradley]

Mestro Kaufman having the doc claim now would be very bad. We have no clue how many scum are left. We still have not flipped a single Goon and I can not see there not being at least one goon for each team both purple and orange. If I am remembering correctly, we have had 2 Orange and 1 Purple and that Purple was a strongman not a SK. On top of that how could the doc verify Mestro Wilde's claim? Unless the doc protected said Wilde and he was the target last night.

I do agree that the amount of claiming this early is a bit much. Especially since none of the claimees were at risk of being lynched, nor do they have a guilty read. I think we can work on sorting them out later, however. Today it should be Mestra Stein.

[Marion Zimmer Bradley]

Oh really? That is not my reading on things. Why are you anti lynching Mestra Stein? Are you by chance her scum buddy?

The Doc should not claim, but don't be so sure that there is none. After all as I said earlier, we have not found a single Goon on either team yet which means that there is the possibility of prevention of more than one kill last night.

Mestra Stein needs rope....

[Marion Zimmer Bradley]

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Some people need to get in here and POST (and hopefully vote for Stein who is scummy).

[Marion Zimmer Bradley]

Metra Stein we need to hear from you as you promised. Time to claim....

[Marion Zimmer Bradley]

EBWOP

Mestra not Metra


ooc I have a hand injury and it is like I have to relearn how to type. sorry about that.

[Marion Zimmer Bradley]

Such humility from Mestra Stein... (sarcasm). I think not.. My vote stays on you, you Terran spy.

[Marion Zimmer Bradley]

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FFS what is going on? I will state that I will look very seriously at anyone who is trying to derail the Stein lynch. (is not a happy camper here.)

Spinning Paper is definite moving up higher on my scumdar.

Pynchon give me one good reason why you are moving off of the wagon and following Spinning Paper?

@ Hogan cute reference to NS You are aware he is playing this game as one of the authors, Right?


So let us lynch Ms Stein and then we can unravel the whole Wilde issue...

[Marion Zimmer Bradley]

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No clue nor do I know which author NS is. He was one of the original to sign up. I do know that Ms Austen was Empking, and that Joyce was DGB.


Meanwhile back to the game and more votes on Stein s'il vous plait (please).

[Marion Zimmer Bradley]

More importantly Mestra James what do you think of our malevolent sister Metra Stein?

[Marion Zimmer Bradley]

Mestro Confucius it is simple. It looks like scum trying to start an alternative wagon to protect Mestra Stein from being lynched, hence him moving up in in scumdar. And I would like to know why he and Mestro Pynchon suddenly veered on another wagon with no real data to back it up.


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I am fully aware that I am tunneling hard core, which is not my usual style. However I am fairly sure we have hit scum. And her response was NOT conducive to her being innocent. Especially since there has been very little evidence brought forth by those on the counter wagon that SP started.

[Marion Zimmer Bradley]

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Since she is scum, the only way she will die is if we lynch her I highly doubt her buddies will kill her.

I am all for discussion, I just hope we make the right decision. We have had more than one PR claim and only one can be protected by the doc that is out there somewhere, for I do believe whether he is scum or town that Wilde is correct on that especially since there was a roleblocker AND a strongman. (Not to mention a JOAT as well.) Obviously that makes a doc very likely. If the town does not want to lynch Stein, obviously when it gets close to deadline, I will support the lynch over a NL.

[Marion Zimmer Bradley]

I would like to know what Mestra James thinks of Mestra Stein and others, she has been rather reticent save for acting a tad like a mare in heat for a stallion if I might be so bold.

I appreciate Mestro Elliot's comments about our myriad companions. I would also like to hear from a few others who seem to have forgotten our little party here.



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at mod I think we need a few cattle prods it has been a while since some of our players have posted...

[Marion Zimmer Bradley]

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over 24 hours without a single post cmon peeps. If we are not ready to lynch Stein or anyone else for that matter yet, then get in and post and discuss.


MZD what are you waiting for from Stein? She has already claimed (VT) and then told us all to stop voting her:

Although my words might be misconstrued through lack of clarity or sense, I must inform everyone present that I am nothing of any great power or concern, I am but a lowly townsperson, unable to do anything save for voting.

You may remove your votes now.

Grammar.

Vote: Oscar the Wilde man

[Marion Zimmer Bradley]

Mestra James, though I do support the wagon on Mestra Stein, your reasoning seems a bit odd? Does that mean had the wagon been on me, you would have supported it to get rid of yet another female? Or that you plan on trying to get me lynched tomorrow to make sure you are as in your words, "only one girl in a house full of men"?

Seems a pretty flimsy reason to vote for someone..

Do you have any other reasons for wanting Mestra Stein to eat rope?

[Marion Zimmer Bradley]

I believe that was a hammer as well.

If I am not here tomorrow please do take a good look at Mesta James. I find her vote rather suspicious.

[Marion Zimmer Bradley]

bah

win it for me town ♥