Ladies Night 2: No Cover -- (Game Over)

Seastormjt · Post Post #15 (isolation #0) » Wed Sep 26, 2012 2:52 am

Confirm!

Seastormjt · Post Post #26 (isolation #1) » Thu Sep 27, 2012 8:30 am

Vote: Mathgirl

Seastormjt · Post Post #53 (isolation #2) » Thu Sep 27, 2012 1:19 pm

About the RVS thing... Not really? Usually you want to get out of RVS as quickly as possible, I find. I mean, I've found a few minor tells that occur only in RVS, but if RVS ends naturally then it's nice that it's ended, and that was pretty natural to me.

That said.

Vote: Piggy

I do agree with the accusations, and I really dislike that she hasn't actually done anything about them, and that she hasn't moved her vote to try to actually hunt :/

Seastormjt · Post Post #66 (isolation #3) » Thu Sep 27, 2012 1:59 pm

↑ PiggyGal15 wrote:
Seastorm
, how exactly am I suppose to actually scumhunt when not even all the players have posted o.O

Exactly like that.

(Not to say that you all should vote for me but whatever~)

No, really, I guess it's less of an actually getting down to business and hunting thing and more the fact that your vote was just kind of sitting on yourself who you obviously don't want lynched?

Seastormjt · Post Post #68 (isolation #4) » Thu Sep 27, 2012 2:05 pm

If you do then good job, I was helping you out

Seastormjt · Post Post #69 (isolation #5) » Thu Sep 27, 2012 2:07 pm

I was just about to reconsider my vote when I realized I'm actually going on V/LA starting now until, like, the 2nd. I can check in to answer questions and stuff if the game keeps moving, but I'm going to be really busy for the next few days.

Noted.

Seastormjt · Post Post #87 (isolation #6) » Fri Sep 28, 2012 6:59 am

#80 and #82: Answered.

Seastormjt · Post Post #302 (isolation #7) » Wed Oct 03, 2012 7:10 am

Got the prod and reading.

Seastormjt · Post Post #409 (isolation #8) » Sat Oct 06, 2012 3:06 pm

Spoiler:

Questions pulled down here:
Huntress, what is scummy about Sucrose? You already explained slightly, but could you expand on it?
Sucrose, what kind of replies were you looking for before you unvoted me? I don't think you ever talked about them.
DGB, how is tbh a scumtell?

btw, further explanation for my earlier vote is the top paragraph of that huge wall.

Um... I feel like I should have more to say, but I'm pretty tired right now. Readlist below which kind of summarizes the above, town to scum, top to bottom.

Vote: Huntress

is also under the spoiler.

Spoiler:

Seastormjt · Post Post #413 (isolation #9) » Sat Oct 06, 2012 4:17 pm

The last list is everyone.

I usually like to vote my biggest scumread, but I know that I won't get traction on Brandi, and the daychat thing makes me eh a little, and Telo, I want to wait on until she comes back.

Seastormjt · Post Post #415 (isolation #10) » Sat Oct 06, 2012 4:53 pm

↑ Seastormjt wrote:town to scum, top to bottom.

Seastormjt · Post Post #421 (isolation #11) » Sun Oct 07, 2012 7:11 am

@Sucrose: It's just the massive amount of scrolling that I'm worried about.

As for the pressure vote, if you say you're voting for pressure, then the person knows that they haven't done anything wrong and they just have to respond well to get you off their back.

Seastormjt · Post Post #619 (isolation #12) » Mon Oct 15, 2012 11:01 am

Active lurking because I'm really busy :/ Still don't think Sucrose is scum, though, she reads pretty newbtown to me. I have to look again at TraceyLyn, but I don't remember liking flinter all that much (pretty sure that's who she replaced???)

Seastormjt · Post Post #625 (isolation #13) » Mon Oct 15, 2012 1:24 pm

↑ Sucrose wrote:Unfortunately I'm not at all new, though I did just come back from a long hiatus. But thanks I guess.

What really omg I'm sorry >.< I could have sworn you were in one of the newb games I was

stalking

watching recently?
(Also thought you said something to that effect earlier in the game ._.|||)

Will go back and take another look at Sucrose later.

Seastormjt · Post Post #782 (isolation #14) » Thu Oct 18, 2012 5:16 pm

Prod-dodge, I'm probably not going to be able to post in-depth until late Saturday, but after a quick ISO on Tracey... Tracey, I was wondering why you voted Sucrose after your joke-unvote -- It didn't seem like anything had happened that would have changed your mind about Rach.

...Also is it possible we could get a tl;dr of your wall?

Seastormjt · Post Post #928 (isolation #15) » Sun Oct 28, 2012 5:54 am

Augh, prod-dodging. Catching up will take several hours, and I have something to finish before tomorrow that'll take about the same amount of time.

Should be back on Monday.

Seastormjt · Post Post #960 (isolation #16) » Mon Oct 29, 2012 11:45 am

Blackout due to Sandy, not posting until power's back sorry.

Seastormjt · Wed Oct 31, 2012 11:40 am

I want to write up a huge readwall like I did last time, but to be honest I'm not sure where to start so that it's still relevant, so I did votals and really horrible ISOs (Don't have the time to go further in-depth atm :/)

Huntress has been asking for this: I feel like you've been asking questions, but you haven't actually talked about what they mean or looked at the answers (Fujiko, Eidolon), which makes me feel like you're asking questions for the sake of asking questions and looking involved in the game. You don't actually react to the answers, which makes me feel like you don't care about the answers, which makes those questions fluff, which means that you've been fluff posting most of your posts.

Major wagons I'm using:

Spoiler:

*Dark green = townfirm (as I see it), Blue = Pseudo-clear, Dark red = Scum
Hm. Analysis:
Don't like Huntress any more than I did
Like Sucrose less.
Only one of the ^^^ are scum, probably.
DGB doesn't look particularly lovely
Amrun and Fujiko look clear(er)

If Sucrose is scum, Tracey's clear, Huntress is clear, Brandi and camn are clear, Piggy's clear, Spring's clear, Fujiko's clear.
If Huntress is scum, Sucrose is clear, Fujiko's sort of clear, and... Surprisingly it doesn't tell me any more than that.

Interesting.

Voting:

Huntress

Sucrose

(My knowledge of votal analysis is very basic, I apologize)

...So now that warm-up's done, I guess it's time to look at ISOs.
(Fun fact: I had a good half of the playerlist listed as scum until I realized I probably can't use the same scumtells here as I usually do -- Namely, not giving reads and/or analyzing. I've struck out the places where I see that and changed my reads accordingly.)

There is text below this spoiler please do not miss it.

Spoiler:

Okay, there is no way I'm not coming back to this, this is actually kind of just horrible. That won't happen today and will probably not happen in huge chunks, more like one or two people at a time.

Addendum: Quick skim of Brandi, who I somehow missed: Don't like the amount of reads she's been giving, don't like how here posting's deteriorated (I've seen scum do that), too bad very few people give reads on this site, slight scum.

Seastormjt · Post Post #1008 (isolation #18) » Wed Oct 31, 2012 1:08 pm

Votal analysis?

Also, I think Huntress, you and... Piggy and possibly Amrun would be labeled scummy, though I've chosen to ignore that you guys tend not to post reasoning because that opens up too many.

I also want to see Sucrose flip because of votals, I did a little color labeling assuming she was scum and everything looked okay.

Seastormjt · Post Post #1011 (isolation #19) » Wed Oct 31, 2012 3:02 pm

PiggyGal15 (3) ((PiggyGal15) - DrippingGoofball - (

Amrun

) - Brandi -

Seastormjt

)

Seastormjt

(5) (

MathGirl277 - Bunnylover

-

Huntress

-

Sucrose

-

Brandi

)
camn (3) (

CityElectric

- flinter - Eidolon)
PiggyGal15 (5) (DrippingGoofball -

Seastormjt

- camn -

Amrun

-

Telo

-

Fujiko

)

Fujiko

(3) (Eidolon - camn -

Bunnylover

)
Brandi (3) (

springlullaby

-

Sucrose

-

Huntress

)

Telo

(10) (

RachMarie

- DrippingGoofball - PiggyGal15 - Brandi - camn -

CityElectric

-

Fujiko

- Eidolon -

TraceyLyn11

-

Sucrose

)

RachMarie

(4) (DrippingGoofball -

Tammy

-

Apokalyptika

- Huntress - (

Fujiko)

)

Apokalyptika

(4) (

Sucrose

-

(PiggyGal15

) -

Fujiko

- Eidolon - springlullaby)
TraceyLyn11(4) (springlullaby - camn - DrippingGoofball - PiggyGal15)

RachMarie

(8) (

Tammy

-

Apokalyptika

- DrippingGoofball - PiggyGal15 -

camn

-

Sucrose

-

Brandi

- TraceyLyn11)

Sorry I'm not going farther, this is as far as I looked when I posted.
I said, my understanding of votal analysis is very shallow, but I know one thing: Scum tend not to vote right after each other (It's very difficult to fake, even if you know about it -- the votes come off as really awkward.)
I've also noticed that if you assume someone's scum and that clears a lot of people, then that person tends to be actually be scum.
While the 'clears' don't correspond 100% with my reads, it narrows down the field quite a bit, and those do correspond with my reads -- For example, the second RM wagon shows it's likely either you or Piggy are scum, and the Telo wagon makes that lean toward Piggy and Eidolon.
I also just sort of dislike it when people just announce _______ is [town/scum] in reaction to a post. If you want me to go more in-depth with people, sure, but I'd like to know who to focus on first -- I'm neglecting quite a bit atm.

Seastormjt · Post Post #1018 (isolation #20) » Wed Oct 31, 2012 5:34 pm

Shallow understanding = I've played with someone who does votal analysis often and that's one of the most upheld ideas.

ie, I didn't make it up.

Heck I don't even know why it happens, just that it's really hard to break the habit.

Seastormjt · Post Post #1020 (isolation #21) » Wed Oct 31, 2012 6:08 pm

No, I've seen a towny do it several times with eerie success and I've tried to break the pattern as scum.

Seastormjt · Post Post #1103 (isolation #22) » Sun Nov 04, 2012 4:30 pm

Hi I'm here please tell me I haven't been replaced yet I lost internet unexpectedly and will be posting as soon as I can.

Seastormjt · Post Post #1118 (isolation #23) » Mon Nov 05, 2012 8:12 am

Vanilla.

Writing a post at the moment.

Seastormjt · Mon Nov 05, 2012 11:18 am

Spoiler:

#1026: The only assumption I am using in votal analysis is that one. If you want, I can pull up links to games and posts where it has worked.

Voting Sucrose because she is scummiest that I currently see, disregarding some of the reasons I use for scumminess that about half the game seems to be doing, and a wagon flip will be informative. On top of that, I've noticed that when a lot of people are cleared if someone flips scum, then that person is usually scum, and I have an example, again, if you like.

↑ Sucrose wrote:
1.
... you still accuse me of being scum trying to shut up Telo... I
still
don't understand why people think scum would try and shut up their partners, even if there wasn't daytalk...
2.
Anyone should know that anything caught-scum says is going to be pure unadulterated WIFOM, and scum probably know this too...
3.
And why do you choose to comment on the Day 2 vig issue now...

1. You bring up that Telo had daychat. So does this mean that a scumteam would have /let/ her get away with not posting? I've seen a surprising amount of times when scum simply did not check daychat, or didn't listen. On the other hand, she was clearly answering certain people and not others. While this does make me seem scummier, I think it's worthwhile to look at this a little closer, and even at how she answered others -- and this is the kind of thing that you wanted to shut up.
2. I tend to disagree. I have found and others have found in my posts as a 'caught-scum' townies and scummates. It seems a lot like wine, I find that it actually

is

useful.
3. I'm commenting on the vig issue mainly because I haven't been present during this game, and I had missed the entire thing the first time around. I placed you as vig and a townread, but missed the post where you started second-guessing yourself on who the scumkill was.

↑ Huntress wrote:I ask questions to help me determine reads of people. If necessary I follow them up as I have done in a few cases but otherwise I just take the answers into consideration and chase up the non-answers. If you want to know more you only have to ask.

This is where I disagree. Questions are the easiest way for scum to show that they're 'thinking about the game', especially if they don't follow up on them. It's much easier to simply ask questions than to actually pursue them.

↑ Huntress wrote:My stance on Telo never changed from when I stated it in posts 457 and 479. This is pure misrepresentation, similar to your describing my posts as mostly fluff in the previous quote.

In #457, I felt like you were defending Telo against Rach, or at least seemed to think that Rach was scummier than Telo, therefore defending You said you had problems with the wagon, while still saying that Telo was scummy.

Hi this is what I have I was posting during class sorry I couldn't really focus on mafia.

See you all later~

Seastormjt · Mon Nov 05, 2012 11:19 am

Actually I might be able to get up some more if you guys even care at this point.

Seastormjt · Mon Nov 05, 2012 11:38 am

Horrible, unexplained reads because I have no idea when either RC or the bus will come, so...
Looking at ISOs so I'm likely to under cover stuff.

Amrun -- Find it interesting she got sucked into the whole argument with Brandi about RVS. Interesting she's dropped the entire Sucrose thing since D1, though her disappearance is quite the excuse for it (If I haven't offered my condolences yet, I'm really sorry about it. However, it is annoying that you talked a lot making more excuses than providing reads). Hate hate hate in general when people declare posts scummy or towny without any explanation... Skimming her arg on Tracey it seems legit at first glance. Then hammers me :c
Brandi -- ...She's still alive? Right she's still alive I keep forgetting that. Still dislike and disagree with Brandi from D1, mainly because she was hung up on the RVS thing while trying to stop the conversation. Oh yeah, then she got caught up with Spring... Don't like that she tunneled so much but hey she could be town for that.

bbl bus is here.

Seastormjt · Sun Nov 11, 2012 10:19 am

I definitely could have played better, whoops. Good game to town; Coyote, you're a great mod!