Mini 230 - Color Mafia - Game Over, man!

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GWWAAAHHH!!! Gomen nasai! Homework was prevailing in my life! I am here I am here! Meybe meybe.. uhm...

vote:micigante

for vengance, because I have no clues! But but... well it says that grey killed.. but does that mean that the killing color was grey? Maybe the mafia can utilize colors to kill of other colors? Like maybe the mafia is 5 year old children scribling pictures? I dunno... just an idea..

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Well my post was really just throwing an idea out there and having fun with it. But really though, I'm probably off on the little kid? But judging by how the post describes Pinky's death, I don't think grey did the killing, it says "Pinky was flattened by a grey stone," to me , that reads as the color grey was used, whadaya think?

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Alright, I just re-read the whole game, because after just catching up I had no idea why everyone was after Darquiel. I still didn't understand when I saw Darquiel's first vote in the game, and it was practically immediately followed by a vote from MeMe, until I saw that it was the fourth vote on Maximumum. So now that make sense, *HOWEVER* Darquiel is only somewhat suspicious to me, it seems more like she was trying to get the game moving. ViktorKrum started a bandwagon and darquiel just hopped on, the game was going nowhere, and all of a sudden there was a topic. If Darquiel seems scummy, then I'd say Iammars seems just as guilty to me for...

There really hasn't been much to say here. I am waiting for Maximumum's claim as well.

Random bandwagons are not the *worse* way of getting a game moving, and I don't think Darquiel is guilty just for hopping on a bandwagon that would go nowhere with 3 votes.

I would say that MeMe seems suspicious for pushing so hard on Darquiel, but it just seems like another bandwagon to keep the game in motion, and keep information moving... but I see Daruqiel's actions as just the same. Instead of attacking her, I want to point out this...

Anyway, Maxy, you should probably claim if you want to live, in all honesty,if you die due to deadline, I will have no remorse. You have not attepted to save yourself, and without any leads, anyone is fair game.

That post just reeks of scummyness to me. The Maximumum bandwagon just showed up for no aparent reason, and everyone just expected him to claim simply because there was a bandwagon. Crola's post just sounds like it was asking for the day to end... which is so uber scummy, discussion helps, we didn't have much information than the bandwagon on maximumum, it would've been a horrible end to the day. So if you ask me...

unvote: micigante, vote: crola

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OK, I just signed on and now there's all this new information. First of all, the first night kill may have been done by grey, but as I thought, the kills are not committed by the colors.

Second of all, this whole MeMe/Iammars is very confusing. I would assume that Iammars would not come out saying MeMe is scum unless he seriuosly knew so. I don't really think MeMe is scum, though she is not 100% clear to me. However, just because the mod cleared Iammars on his mistake, does not mean he cleared Iammars as innocent. As a matter of fact, he claimed attacking people last night, this makes him far more suspicious.

Third of all, I have not forgotten about Crola, I really don't trust that post he made yesterday.

Fourth... Maxi why did you just offer that info? It can't hurt now I supose, since what's done is done, but now us as a town have to decide whether to trust Maxi's word.... he could be saying this to clear himself and scum partners, assuming there is one killing group left with a godfather and 2 scummies.

This leaves me at a dilemma of who to vote for, and honestly, I don't know. There's obviously now much more room for discussion, so I'll wait until things develop more, because there's so much scummy behavior.

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Maximumum already claimed to be tracker yesterday.. and we bought that.. I don’t understand why now you are reproving her to give us those information. Also because she didn’t say the name of the people that she followed during the night to not give information to scum.
I think that we can consider Maximumum to be surely pro-town..

Sorry, I forgot anyone claimed yesterday.

And yes, I am very confused by Iammars, but I still don't understand it, and the functions seem very suspicious to me, and GL only claimed there were mistakes with confusion. I don't know what to think of that whole mess.

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note: am studying for exams for the next week, will not be able ot post as much.

Based on MOD comments in the thread, I get the impression that you are on the town's side, but I don't really understand the "side opposite the person you attacked the most". Do you mean someone you accused in the thread during the day?

Based on MOD comments should not matter, mod cannot tell us whether someone is innocent or guilty. Yes it is aparent there was a mistake, but just because the mod clarified there was a mistake, I saw nothing at all saying that Iammars is innocent, and MeMe is making very good points about Iammars. I want more info.

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I think that is better that maximumum keeps what she knows for her and for today we can trust her and follow her vote..
So maximumum since that you know more things than I do, If you want I’ll change my vote from Enderx to crola, even if I’d prefer to lynch enderx today because he looks much more scummy.. But if you don’t think so,just tell me what you want me to do and I’ll execute your order..!

The closest thing to scummy actions from EnderX I see is lack of posting, which he is not the only person in the game guilty of. What else about him makes him seem scummy?

I'm not happy about this deadline, especially having it imposed for not even 24 hours of silence, but since it's there, incase I don't have a chance to post again,

vote: crola

whom still seems like the most suspicious player here to me.

After re-learning about Maximumum, I'm gonna have to agree it's better that you don't reveal what you found.

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Also, a intresting thing, not sure if it worth much though.
Crola did speculate on the mafia being red yesterday, right?

Yes, probably because the killing color yesterday was grey, and grey was a serial killer.

I would also like to know about the deadline.. I don't think it's fair if we got one for not being able to post.

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Wew hew! Just got out of my last exam for like the next month! yaaay!

Onto more serious matters. I don't believe Crola, and I don't trust Crola. I don't know what to think of other players right now. But I definately think that Crola is mafia.

However, because of how he pointed out MeMe, I don't know what to think of her. Assuming MeMe is a partner in the mafia, by specifically pointing out if she's alive tomorrow to be suspicious, it's like giving her excuse not to be killed, like we expect it now. This makes me think, that making such an accusation of MeMe could be in a sense protecting her. I don't know if this is true though... I mean he may of taken a more literal approach, MeMe might not be, and he may just be creating a diversion to her, so his scummy buddies have someone to pinpoint. I don't really trust MeMe, but I don't have enough of a reason to not trust her yet.

I do however agree with her bad feeling on Mr Stoofer, mainly for the confusion about her "post restriction" or something like that, that search through as much as I can, see no mention of throughout this game, and mI would really like clarification from Stoofer on what he's talking about.

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Since MeMe has mentioned nothing of a restriction, it seems pointless. Just because she posts fruits in some to most of her posts doesn't make her innocent or guilty to me; just strange, heh. Unless she has something to say about it, I'm not asking.

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Why wouldn't you care, the more you know, the better, why would anyone flat out reject more information? Do you like being confused?
I think this statement is scummy, for all we know she could be covering up for a scumbuddy.

As I said before:

Just because she posts fruits in some to most of her posts doesn't make her innocent or guilty to me; just strange, heh.

To me, it doesn't seem like important information. Whether someone has a post restriction or not says nothing about if they are innocent or guilty or not. Hell, I could imagine as a mod, creating a unique role of putting a post restriction on a mafia member to make them seem more innocent; since people seem to think that restricted posters are automatically pro-town.

Yes, it is more information. Is it useful information? Probably not if you ask me. All of our roles have information, this game is about figuring out what information is useful enough to give away without getting the whole town lynched. So if you want to go after more information, then feel free, but to me, it's like saying "You're in this game! what's your role!?"

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Wow... this kinda leaves us at a weird point. Assuming Maximumum is not scum, then quailman, stoofer, and me are cleared... atleast as godfather... assuming maximumum is scum, then we don't know what else to go on. I'm more likely to believe that maxi is not scum...Assuming that we do have 3 mafia left... this could be a problem... but we don't know this for sure. However, we should take this seriously anyway. We're on day three and haven't gotten any scum, will post more later, just got called away.

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OK now hang on a second! We are half way to a lynch and have had like no discussion at all. We should not kill Maximumum like this. I highly doubt she is scum, and I have my reasons for this. For instance, no one else has come forth as a cop. I highly doubt we've been left in this game with no cops at all, and we've had no other cops come out. It's the third day, and we have no scum, like I said. I want to see some cleared innocents, if there is a cop out there, please give us some info... in the meantime, Maxi is the only one we know of to be a cop, and I'm not killing off our only source of info, ESPECIALLY since this could be end game. HUGE

fos: micigante and stoofer

for voting with so little information in the day. If maxi is not scum, I have a high feeling atleast one of them is. Please remove your votes, on the chance this is end game, if two scum just hopped on and voted for maxi and she is not scum, you could be ending the game. We need to be careful with our votes please.

On the second note...

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Assuming Maximumum is not scum, then quailman, stoofer, and me are cleared... atleast as godfather

I don't follow that at all.

How does Maxi find people? According to her, spying in the bushes... that doesn't sound like she gets guilty innocent results.. and if so.. what if someone else is making the kill one night? None of the thre that she's spied on are fully clear in my eyes.

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So that was an SK kill, not a mafia kill, we have no idea how the mafia works... do you think our mod would actually make a game that would entirely depend on our colors? I really don't think Maxi is scum.

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OK, we might be on *last* day. If we assume that Maxi is scum then that means there is *no* investigator. Doesn't this seem weird to anyone at all? Why would a game have no investigator?

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Because any investigator that has information that could lead us to scum would help us get scum, since the only help we're getting is from Maxi, until I see proof otherwise, I feel that if we lynch Maxi, we'll be killing a pro-town investigator that could be our last step in ending this game. Or we can put more effort into finding out who the real scum is.

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Fine, I'm red. That's why I'm almost certain that Maxi is not scum.

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I was hoping more would develop over the weekend while I was away, but aparently not. In my opinion, Maxi's results don't fully clear anyone. Now that everyone's claimed a color, what now?

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To add info to the list made, we also know:

Let me explain my role: I am khaki.
I was nuetral. I could, at any night (except N1 obv.) decide to choose sides. I would gain the side opposite of the person who I attacked the most. (Course, I also gained an extra abilty. Only something very minor (Small selfprotecion abilty). Please don't worry about it.)
I decided that I would use this as a cop investigation, attacking mainly one person during the day (trying not to attack too much, as not to throw off people's scumdars), and would go on the opposite side of that person. GL (I thought) had clarified that I would go opposite MeMe. That's why I thought MeMe was scum.
Of course, now I know better, and I should've attacked MeMe more.
Just think about this claim for a minute. This would be a desperate gambit for scum, and might not work, plus with mod confirmation, I'm pretty sure this clears me, unless anyone can say otherwise.

I still think that Maxi can't be scum because we have no other investigators. I know I'm not scum, but Stoofer and Iammars seem suspicious to me, who else I don't know.. Ender doesn't talk enough, I'd like to hear more from him because I don't know what to think. More than anyone though, assuming we had 3 scum left, I'd say they're most suspcious to me at this point. Pretty much in that order. Any other suspicions going around?

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I already said I want to know if we have another cop earlierany results we get at this point feel helpful, if we're on end day, of course I want all information possibl available. I still feel an investigator would've already come out. Just don't see it as likely that they wouldn't have anything useful to contribute in this game, and since they haven't come out, I assume they aren't here. I they are here and don't want to come out, then fine, I guess they shouldn't; judgement call on their part. But I see no reason to believe there is another cop at this point.

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I have to agree that Quailman is a little too lynch happy. I know I'm not scum, and I really don't believe that Maxi is scum. I said my 3 candidates, but Quailman seems way too happy to kill. Quailman and Stoofer really seem like they're trying to convince people to join on their bandwagon based on colors making kills, where is the *logic* in that? If we were mafia, *why* would we give our colors out? The kills were done with red and green, they were probably just done by mafia to make targets. If we were really mafia, whty would we claim ourselves as the colors that killed? Especially with colors like indigo and khaki in the picture, we could've just claimed any random color we wanted. Also, what is this red and green bit? I would come to some sort of conclusion like that if we got mod posts saying MEEERRY CHRISTMAS! We're also feeling pretty sure that this is a 3 person mafia, assuming that's true, who's the third person in our red and green mafia? It seems obvious to me that we're being framed, and probably by Quailman, now that I look back and see he's the one that had the crazy suggestion. And don't forget the alternative of lynching green. That this is a mafia ploy just to get this day over so that they can win. Before I make any decisions, I plan on reading over the game again.

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On the point of Ender, I don't find lurking scummy, if there is nothing to say, which for alot of the game, it's been people coming up with things to say, some people just don't have that kind of role in a town where they can talk all the time. However, today is a pretty important day to keep up the chatter, but I'd like to hear more from Ender before making any decisions. I reviewed over the game-- Quailman, Stoofer, and slightly Iammars stand out to me more than anyone else. Where has micigante gone?

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vote:quailman

I've already explained why. Stoofer, micigante, you guys have claimed masons, but since we have no inside info on you, all that really says to us is that you guys are a team, so if one of you is scum, both of you are. I haven't really felt anything scummy about micigante the whole game, and quailman seems way to lynch happy not to be scummy, I still have a bad feeling about stoofer, but until proven otherwise, you guys are free to me.
As a note to Micigante: If you were red, maybe you would have claimed, and I bet we all would have lynched you. I left a note at the beginning of that day saying that scum didn't kill with their color. That was the most I felt safe with. The kill on day one was made by the very killer color. On day two bfore I even had a chance of saying anything, there was already one or two posts saying that red probably commited the kill, if I had come out, I would have been lynched before I even had a chance to defend myself. I was still worried about that today, and you should see very easily why. Even after Maxi had claimed days before as a tracker, you guys were still ready to lynch. Even after I came out as red, it just encouraged you guys more to lynch either one of us. That's why I didn't come out.[/b]

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I still don't trust quailman, my vote remains. This is exactly why I didn't come out with my color the other day. Why would we be so stupid as to come out with our actual colors if we knew they were going to kill or had killed. Maxi could've easily claimed any other color if she'd've known the town was going to trust her tracker story. I was one of the last people to claim, I could've said I was any other color. I'm interested in finding scum, and Quailman is still striking me as that.

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I like my vote, I don't trust Quailman. Until someone can give me a better person to vote for, and a good reason, I feel satisfied here, and would like to hear more from Ender who has hardly been talking... micigante, I don't understand your suspicion.

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Note to all: I am moving out this week, have a paper due next week, and am now working two jobs, I will try to post tonight with something relavant, but I am *very* busy until next week.

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Hard to find time to come online, since I am moving out completely tonight, it will limit my access, but exams are over for now so I will be on more in the school week. So why shouldn't you vote for me? Well the #1 most important reason not to kill me is because I'm not scum. #2 I don't understand your reasoning on me being scum.. I don't really trust you and Stoofer with your mason group, they aren't always full proof, and I've especially been suspicious of Stoofer the past day or two now. Now, with the explanation of purple, I'd like to hear more, and hear about Maxi's results. I know that both of you aren't scum or the town would be dead now... It is a little suspicious that green has killed twice, but stoofer seems much scummier than maxi to me.

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If Stoofer wasn't at Iammars house last night, and Maxi is clean, then

vote:micigante

, there is no other option then. As you request Stoofer, since this is obviously last night, I will tell you my whole role, which really isn't that powerful. Red as in a stopsign, in other words, I'm a role blocker, however, sometimes people run stopsigns, so I don't always work, if you want my night choices I can give you those tomorrow, but this is my last time online today.
Stoofer, Maxi, I know you guys are town now, if you want to save yourselves you have to lynch micigante... Stoofer think about your reasoning on my "ability to kill" Ender was dead last night, how could another color have killed? The mafia has no color identity, I'm sure of it because I'm not mafia.

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Gwah! good game all, now that I finally have a chance. I assumed Iammars would investigate me that night and get a guilty for being scum at all, had no idea other wise I would've killed differently. Had I not of gotten caught up in not having internet and 3 papers due in a week's time, I think I still stood a chance, hehe. But then, maybe the odds were stacked against me from the start of the last day. Good play especially Micigante and Stoofer.