NY 160: Terrible Melodrama Mafia (Game Over)

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VOTE: DemonCore

YOU FUCK MY WIFE?!

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unvote, vote piggy

squeal for me, bitch

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Here are my reads thus far.

ToonFighter: Slight

town

read. After some reflection in the shower I think he's just stubborn. Scum aren't likely to go all out on someone and make themselves that vulnerable to scrutiny this early on IME. Though I would like to know, given his reasoning why he doesnt have issues with #41, #43, and #58. Among others I missed.

Nero Cain: Slight

scum

read. Decided to seriously vote me without any valid reason, commenting on my post count and my desire for him to walk were he talks. Seems to me he was just looking for any reason to jump on a bandwagon and move for a QL.

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scum

read, hasnt commented on anything since page one and is still RVS'ing. This goes for Cletus and DC and anyone else who doesnt feel like commenting on anything that has happened thus far.

Everyone else: neut.

That is all. Time to go interview for a job, wish me luck. Be back in a bit.

this post is bad and you should feel bad.

I've seen the "person who hasn't commented some arbitrary amount" bullshit scumread so many times it makes me want to die. pack it in, bro. it's not a real thing.

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your scumreads are post suggestions? that particular scumread was a posting suggestion?

also way to reading comprehension. I called it a "bullshit" scumread, implying that it's not one that actually tells you anything.

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I love this Senjai guy.

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nah, I was being serious. you've been super transparent so far. that usually bodes well for later

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Yeah, let's kill the piggy. Serioustime now.

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Is she a scumread of yours?

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oh hey I got prodded

my compooper has been on the fritz, so I'll catch up with this game today

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oh look, empking and doomyoshi are scum together how adorable

I read N as town. I don't like NC for a lynch today. I would much prefer piggy.

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oh look, empking and doomyoshi are scum together how adorable

I read through their posts and I don't see anything sticking out to support this. Bit of elaboration would be nice.

337-341 read like scum-scum interaction to me

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adorkable, I hope you know, that I am now for sure not going to be watching NC. I don't care if it'll make me look scummier, but if scum actually targeted NC, after it being blatantly said that I'll be watching NC, then the scum deserve to lose this game for absolute stupidity. Like, seriously, I would probably never play with that player again, on the off chance we ever ended up on the same team, just because of how idiotic that would be. So no, I'm not watching one specific person, you guys can give me a pool, but that doesn't mean I'll be watching in it. I'll pick to watch whoever I would kill if I was scum.

so can we lynch this now, or....

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I tend to be quiet on Day 1 as scum and town, so nuts to your activity tell. I realize I'm not one of your stronger reads, but if all you have is meta, then you don't have a whole lot

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UT: so you are purposely lurking to avoid drawing attention to yourself? That is pretty self-preservationist, so if you end up being something like a vig, I will just assume you are SK, and act accordingly.

no, don't be stupid

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God, how many times do I have to repeat myself? That was the worst fake claim I've ever seen.

Fake

meaning that it's

not real

.

I've seen worse

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VOTE: empking

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eat rope, empking

Your first contribution to this game included some scum/scum interaction with a flipped scum. And I'm useless? Last time I checked, I called a scum yesterday and helped get rid of someone who would have been a tremendous burden to the town. Seems like you're mad because I'm efficient

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the useless thing is obviously directed at gentleman bastards too

and another thing:
if you're town, drop the shitty attitude you're displaying about having me as a town read. scum get upset when someone has connections that show a town alignment because it's one less player they can mislynch. town should be pleased to get a strong associative town read on someone.

I started to get some misgivings about my senjai town read towards the end of yesterday, and your reaction to your stated town read on me is strengthening them.

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UT, you're going to have to cope with me constantly being annoyed that you're probably town here because it just reminds me of your shit from Sedilla all over again.

it should be pretty clear by now that I'm playing a different game this time

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and my point still stands that being annoyed at a strong associative read is a scummy response

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I see little difference, you posted little to no content D1 and now are sitting on Empking for interactions with Doom that actually make him more likely town than scum.

going after my scumreads is useless? I said yesterday that I thought Empking and DY were scum together. shouldn't be a shock to you that I'd go after my stated pick for his likely budd

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Ok, Plan B, but if JS flips scum, I'm going to fos you hardcore.

So I reread N and Nero Cain again. I know I just said NC was the better wagon, but I've changed my mind. N hasn't really said much of anything, except for the awkward call out of Cletus. I am still watching NC though, I want to see how he reacts now that he has time to calm down.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: N

ok, I just reread DY and NC in ISO, and yeah, I can get behind this NC lynch

unvote, vote Nero Cain

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He named like 1/3 of the game. Staaaaaaaaatistics

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So I did a little ISOing and VC reading. The way DY interacted with the Senjai wagon was interesting, in how he defended Senjai.

Senjai reminds me a lot of myself (outspoken on many fundamental mafia ideas).

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Why are you still voting Senjai? He is practically oozing town at this point. He may be an amazing scum player, but we will cross that bridge when we get to it.

I'm pretty willing to call GB town for the moment on this basis. DY strikes me as the kind of scum player who would defend the hell out of a town player for early cred.

To piggyback onto F16's points above, I checked for the relevant quotes in DY's ISO, I found two good quotes
This one:

If Jacob flips scum, I will consider more seriously nero (not saying that's a scum or town read, just that I will think about it more).

and this one

Ok, Plan B, but if JS flips scum, I'm going to fos you hardcore.

DEM LYNCH CHAINS, BRO

I'm cool with a JS lynch because of DY trying to set up lynches based on JS flipping scum

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unvote, vote JacobSavage

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he spent a lot more time with his vote on N than on JS

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well, not a lot more, but definitely an appreciable amount of time

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Those voting JS should explain how I'm wrong for thinking that or reconsider their vote.

I see DY trying to lynch-chain based on JS flipping scum. How do you not find that scummy?

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I'm cool with a JS lynch because of DY trying to set up lynches based on JS flipping scum

Why are you concerned with JS (and DY) but not adorkable setting up lynch chains?

i ONLY C

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I'm cool with a JS lynch because of DY trying to set up lynches based on JS flipping scum

Why are you concerned with JS (and DY) but not adorkable setting up lynch chains?

I only care about DY doing it because HURR DURR we know he was scum. Can't say the same about adorkable now can we? Are we reading the same game?

FIXEDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD

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I didn't say I was willing to dismiss it, you said that. Don't put words in my mouth.

I don't understand how you can say "a JS lynch was a definite possibility" and then say it would be risky for DY to try to turn a lynch on his buddy into a town lynch the next day. That's like...exactly what you should do ask scum

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alright, Messrs Bastards, I'll jump on this Toon Fighter train with you

unvote, vote Toon Fighter

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so yeah

vote Empking

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^ man that sure is a town thing to say

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...you're an idiot

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great case, bro

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Holy faulty premise, batman!

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Also what is this "at least not partners" bs? We have no reason so far to suspect multiball

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meanwhile, in another part of town, Empking is still DY's buddy

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you're at best sheeping a sheep vote and at worst sheeping an OMGUS vote

STRONG WORK, RC, STRONG WORK

empking's reads have been ~superplusgood~ this game, obviously sheeping him is a winning and protown idea. he's also done more or less nothing but sit on mislynches and have scummy interactions with a flipped scum, but let's ignore that because in some alternate universe I've been less helpful than adorkable, who has done nothing. are you another DY buddy, or are you just not reading the game?

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They actually have, UT. Go back and look at his predictions if you don't believe me. You think I'm just pulling this out of my ass?

STRONG WORK, RC, STRONG WORK

Thank you. I try.

we have very different definitions of good, then. I think you're pulling it out of your ass and hoping no one will go back and actually read the game.

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doomyoshi is dead and flipped scum

how did you not know that?

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Very Town

JacobSavage

Probably Right

Town

adorkable
Demon Core

RIGHT

Nero Cain

RIGHT

Plan B

Probably Right

Cletus+Brandine

Probably Right

Toon Fighter

RIGHT

Null

RedCoyote Number Six

Half Right

N
4nxi3ty

Scum

Senjai
PiggyGal15 (not with Doom)

RIGHT

DoomYoshi (not with Piggy)

RIGHT

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Probably Right

Where do I even begin with this. First of all,

Piggy flipped town

, so either we're reading different games, or you just got that completely wrong, or you're being wrong intentionally, or whatever. Second, those probably's don't count for jack shit. They don't count for correct reads. They're meaningless. Unless you're scum, you don't know ANY of the alignments of unflipped players other than yourself. Blah blah his reads might sorta correspond with yours, whatever, but that doesn't give someone a good track record. Hell, I could random.org a list of reads and probably get at least 2/3 of my townreads correct and probably hit one scum. You're showing us a list of reads with about the accuracy of randomly guessing and hoping no one will realize it's average at best.

Third, and this is more of a semantic point, null isn't "half-right". It's just nothing. Null alignment isn't a thing.

I'm starting to feel a DY, Empking, RC scumteam here. The lengths you're going to in an attempt to talk up Empking are ridiculous.

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GB: I don't know what your problem is with me, but I'm not going to bother responding to you for the remainder of the game.

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F16:

I read that interaction as scum asking for direction from other scum. It looks less to me like a request for an explanation and more like "you probably should explain that post a little better, it looks scummy..."

It was a gut read, I'll admit, but I'm sticking by it.

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...it's still a scum read.

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cool, I'll just post all of my reads from now on as "scum...or town!"

I was really just talking to RC. You don't need to defend the reads.

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also I'm not going to "lengths" to "incriminate" RC. I've only said in one post that he seemed scummy and it was pretty recent.

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oh sorry, plan b, I forgot that there was a protocol for publicly deciding scum reads. what paperwork did I forget to fill out? could it not have been...THAT EXCHANGE SPECIFICALLY that gave me a scumread on them? nahhhhhhhhhhh that'd make entirely too much sense. best to say that it's obvscum tactics because I hadn't indicated a scumread before that point.

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....how is that at all what I said?

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there's a wagon on me right now, it's time for defense.

I'm also a little weirded out by you claiming I was calling plan b scum when I clearly wasn't doing that, but whatevs

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arghhhhhhhhhh quote stripes

my eyessssssssssssssss

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why RC? I'm not disagreeing with this wagon, you just hadn't eally mentioned him before.

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imo, sheeping regfan wouldn't have been significantly better, given his other behavior, but ok

unvote, vote RC

what's your read on Empking?

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well you already know what I had to say about your analysis of that list of reads

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....I stated a scumread on Empking and DY as partners on Day 1 and then started pushing it Day 2 when DY flipped scum. That's more or less exactly the opposite of reactionary.

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also repeating over and over that Empking's reads are super duper accurate isn't going to make it true

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And the inverse is true as well, my friend. You can keep repeating over and over that his reads are wrong. It doesn't make it any more true than when you cried about it the first time.

nice misrep bro. I never said they were all wrong, I said his accuracy was AVERAGE, which is the whole reason why I got on you for sheeping them in the first place

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not that you're going to elaborate on any of that

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the last thing you said about me previous to post 711 was that I was "probably town". now you're voting for me as "most likely scum" without any elaboration or reasoning for your vote.

so I guess my point is no, you didn't elaborate.

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I respect gb enough to compromise on a lynch with them.

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I still want empking to hang, though

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bah

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gj empking!