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Post Post #472 (isolation #0) » Thu Nov 29, 2012 2:17 pm

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twiddle bullshit nothing
hammer, y/n?
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Post Post #475 (isolation #1) » Thu Nov 29, 2012 2:19 pm

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fe
don't do this to me buddy
why is fizz the only person on your reads list with reasoning?
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Post Post #476 (isolation #2) » Thu Nov 29, 2012 2:24 pm

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man these fingers are so impatient
and they appreciate the deadline extension and don't want to waste a good gift, but MY GOD will I hammer you so fast if you ignore me
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Post Post #483 (isolation #3) » Thu Nov 29, 2012 2:37 pm

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Majiffy wrote:Lol @ Fe taking me from top of the town list to the bottom of the possibly scum list without a single reason.

Also, hi Nacho. I didn't know you were in this game. You should probably change that.

yeah, my bad, been lurking pretty hard

Fe is town, don't lynch him, the lynch is terrible.
Majiffy is probably town, Fizz is a ? but I will vote him to save Fe
but it shouldn't come to that since we have 5 days
Fe, who should I vote?
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Post Post #489 (isolation #4) » Thu Nov 29, 2012 3:11 pm

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Majiffy wrote:So is Fe. I mean, shit, if you don't see him as scum, at least see him as a complete imbecile who will only serve to hinder town and be a liability.

I don't consider him to be a liability. I can read him just fine, he's making an effort to contribute, and there are far better lynches for today.
Plus I don't play the "lynch someone you think is town" game in order to make the game easier because that doesn't really make a whole lot of sense to me.

Fe, Fizz also hasn't posted anywhere else. Do you think that he is refusing to post in all of his games specifically to avoid this one?
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Post Post #492 (isolation #5) » Thu Nov 29, 2012 3:16 pm

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Majiffy wrote:Making an effort? He makes a gigantic IIOA post that says diddly squat, then the few claims he did make he backed off of because people were calling out the shitty reasons behind them, then he said "well jeez those were just my notes guys don't take anything I post seriously erhmahgerd" and now he's calling me town and scum on the same page for the same reason.

The IIoA post reeks of "well I don't really know what to do but I'm going to try to do something anyways", and the notes thing reeks of pride being hurt. It's a natural reaction.
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Post Post #494 (isolation #6) » Thu Nov 29, 2012 3:20 pm

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Majiffy wrote:You do realize that both of those things sound more like newb/playstyle/personality rather than alignment, right?

you're completely incorrect
which is fine because you're trapped in your tunnel, but do keep these lessons in mind for later
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Post Post #496 (isolation #7) » Thu Nov 29, 2012 3:33 pm

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Majiffy wrote:Scum : I really don't know how to look like I'm scumhunting
Result : IIOA

Not often. Usually, it's more of mild suspicion thrown onto the next biggest wagon with no reasoning given, and plenty of lurking.
Source: Suzaku & EagleAquila


Town : I really don't know how to scumhunt
Result : IIOA

Mhm. Aether


Scum : They're calling faults in my weak reads!
Result : They're just notes guys! Don't take them seriously!

Town : They're making fun of my terribad reads!
Result : They're just notes guys! Don't take them seriously!

this one is pretty accurate, yeah
so it doesn't really make him scum, which was what I thought you were trying to argue here
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Post Post #498 (isolation #8) » Thu Nov 29, 2012 3:39 pm

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We have 5 days to make something happen, so we shouldn't have to worry about voting to avoid a no lynch quite yet.
Is Fizz your strongest scumsuspect?
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Post Post #500 (isolation #9) » Thu Nov 29, 2012 3:42 pm

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borkjerfkin wrote:@Nacho: taking a single example/counterexample from not even the same player to prove that point? No dude.

*sigh*
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Post Post #504 (isolation #10) » Thu Nov 29, 2012 3:52 pm

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borkjerfkin wrote:Seriously what am I supposed to be looking at? How one person that isn't Fe played scum in one instance?

We were talking about newbie playstyles in general, not Fe's meta.
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Post Post #506 (isolation #11) » Thu Nov 29, 2012 3:55 pm

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borkjerfkin wrote:And I think you're deliberately taking an unacceptable sample size in order to prove whatever point you want.

I'm grabbing two things that I remember from recent newbie games that formed my thoughts specifically. No, I do not feel like combing through more of my games for more of a sample size because that would be a useless waste of my time. The little I did provide was a challenge to Majiffy to produce an equal amount of examples to see that he actually has something behind what he's talking about.
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Post Post #514 (isolation #12) » Thu Nov 29, 2012 7:19 pm

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Majiffy wrote:Real big sample size with your 7 or 8 posts there. Yeah, that's really convincing.

Excellent, glad you saw the terse style and suspicion shifting that is oh-so-common in newbies these days. I'm especially glad that you didn't dismiss my argument based on a trivial piece of information.

Majiffy wrote:And I continue

Especially post #108, which had a town person doing the very thing you were calling scummy! And, if you dare to read around that specific post (which I know you did because you are a champion who is pursuing the truth and getting scum lynched), you'd notice a discussion I had with the newbies on why IIoA is not necessarily a scumtell for newbies. And it makes sense! IIoA is generally a scum tool used by people who are a little more experienced in the game; it's hard to make up purposefully useless information if you don't know what is useful, and there's not really a good reason for putting effort into bullshit when you could make something a bit more useful-looking.

No he's scum for the scummy things he's said. Look at my ISO please, I point out plenty of quotes. Thanks for playing!

Now now, making me look at your ISO when you won't even consider anything I post is a little inconsiderate. You could give me reasons again. Hell, you could even quote specific things from your own ISO! Wouldn't that be a sight to see...

Majiffy wrote:Search for 8 posts from idiots who can't play properly? Yeah, no, I have better things to do with my time. You've played this game plenty of times to know you're setting up a bullshit argument here that isn't going to help anyone in the end.

Better things to do with your time, like not back up your arguments with any sort of footwork and instead spend good time creating more bullshit ones? Ah.
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Post Post #518 (isolation #13) » Thu Nov 29, 2012 7:51 pm

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Thanks 'jiffy. You have my hammer as soon as my replacement catches up. But if anyone hammers before then I will be pretty sad and angry and vengeful.
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Post Post #521 (isolation #14) » Thu Nov 29, 2012 8:13 pm

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You've clearly never pulled teeth before.
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Post Post #527 (isolation #15) » Fri Nov 30, 2012 5:03 am

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borkjerfkin wrote:Also do you think Nacho is just playing stupidly here or do you think he's scum?

I'm assuming you don't have an opinion either way and need Majiffy to tell you what to think?
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Post Post #539 (isolation #16) » Fri Nov 30, 2012 5:47 am

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pirate mollie wrote:also nacho are you really subbing out?

No. I meant to say that I'd hold the hammer until Maenara catches up, not whatever the hell I actually ended up saying.

borkjerfkin wrote:Yeah dawg my past interactions with Breakfast support the fuck out of that assertion.

The past is gone, man. Breakfast is gone and Lunch is here, meaning that you can actually back that suspicion up with something that at least resembles a real case, instead of that weak crap you're currently playing around with.
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Post Post #541 (isolation #17) » Fri Nov 30, 2012 6:09 am

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I don't think you're scum, and I'm not implying that I think you are scum.
I do think you're being lazy, though. I wanted to point out that your breakfast suspicion was all your own and not Majiffy's, so you should put a little more effort into figuring out whether I am scum or not and putting something forward instead of trying to get Majiffy to give your reasoning for you. Today also isn't about Fe versus Fizz anymore, so it'd be nice if people went back to voting who they thought was scum and not their scumpick out of Fe/Fizz.
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Post Post #543 (isolation #18) » Fri Nov 30, 2012 6:27 am

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It was a cheap potshot at you.
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Post Post #545 (isolation #19) » Fri Nov 30, 2012 7:28 am

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(hey ns why do you think i am scum)
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Post Post #548 (isolation #20) » Fri Nov 30, 2012 7:39 am

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Nobody Special wrote:A plethora of reasons, many of which are nonpublic for the moment.

Besides, you're
always
scum. Right?

You can give me two reasons.
Also I'm very rarely scum. I feel like we've played a lot of games together, and you've been scum in like 90% of them and I've been town like 80% of them...
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Post Post #551 (isolation #21) » Fri Nov 30, 2012 9:13 am

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pirate mollie wrote:I don't understand this response. are you subbing out yes or no if no then what does maenara have to do with anything. subbing out means someone else comes in and takes your place is maenara coming in and taking your place yes or no.

No I am not replacing out.
Maenara is replacing Number Six, and has not had the chance to catch up yet. I'm holding my vote until he does so.
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Post Post #557 (isolation #22) » Fri Nov 30, 2012 2:06 pm

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borkjerfkin wrote:I don't think that town-Nacho would make the argument that he's making about Fe being town.

I no longer view Fe as town.
Hence why I'm promising to vote him when Maenara makes his catchup post.
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Post Post #564 (isolation #23) » Fri Nov 30, 2012 3:16 pm

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Maenara wrote:Finding Majiffy vs. Nachomamma as hilarious as always, which is to say not at all.

As always...? Where do you have experience with us in the past?
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Post Post #570 (isolation #24) » Fri Nov 30, 2012 3:35 pm

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Unvote, Vote: Fe
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Post Post #619 (isolation #25) » Wed Dec 05, 2012 7:08 am

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was he trying to protect kmd?
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Post Post #641 (isolation #26) » Thu Dec 06, 2012 10:36 am

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the same crew in so many different games
it's like i'm trapped in a mafia game that i can never escape
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Post Post #652 (isolation #27) » Thu Dec 06, 2012 3:22 pm

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bork weren't you suspicious of me yesterday?
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Post Post #661 (isolation #28) » Thu Dec 06, 2012 6:07 pm

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The Majiffy wagon is really, really stupid.
Also not convinced with NS. If he was trying to defend his buddy, I really don't think he'd try to lynch me, of all people. No one (except for bork, but bork is crazy) was talking about the scumread on me, so it wasn't exactly opportunistic. And he didn't vote Fizz, which would have been a hell of a lot more telling to me. So yeah, calling him town.

Don't really like Lastsurvivor right now, and might sheep Majiffy onto kmd. Might.
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Post Post #664 (isolation #29) » Thu Dec 06, 2012 6:33 pm

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Majiffy wrote:
Nachomamma8 wrote:The Majiffy wagon is really, really stupid.

You know, I feel like I say this every time people vote for me. Probably because it's true.

i hate sheeping you
Vote: kmd

argtgjifrgireurgfiuehtgfiug it feels so bad
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Post Post #674 (isolation #30) » Fri Dec 07, 2012 10:38 am

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borkjerfkin wrote:
Nachomamma8 wrote:The Majiffy wagon is really, really stupid.
Also not convinced with NS. If he was trying to defend his buddy, I really don't think he'd try to lynch me, of all people. No one (except for bork, but bork is crazy) was talking about the scumread on me, so it wasn't exactly opportunistic. And he didn't vote Fizz, which would have been a hell of a lot more telling to me. So yeah, calling him town.

Don't really like Lastsurvivor right now, and might sheep Majiffy onto kmd. Might.


I think this is about the nicest way I've heard someone calling me an idiot. I do appreciate that.

What's wrong with LS?

he pushed fizz for the longest fucking time and then majiffy tells him to put Fe at L-1 and he'll look at Fizz tomorrow, and he's like "ok that sounds like a perfectly reasonable plan" and now he's sheeping votes onto majiffy. it's stupid and scummy and scum.

pirate mollie wrote:insinuating that fe go from a town read to a scum read with me provoking him is essentially saying that fe is capable of smart scum play so tell do you know something that I don't.

weak scum don't make big moves with scumpartners
they slot them in town or null slots or slightly scummy slots, and they don't interact often
they are scared to change them because people will question them and then people will attack them, and that is scary
and the entire case on majiffy is that you scared him into calling majiffy scum? nah. you scared him enough for him to do something new. you didn't scare him enough to bus.

pirate mollie wrote:and I do not get as to why you think NS is town for trying to get you lynched you will have to unpack that for me if you can be bothered.

i can be bothered but i don't know what more you want
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Post Post #675 (isolation #31) » Fri Dec 07, 2012 10:41 am

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the director wrote:Seems like a panic move, even more so considering he was so hesitant to post yesterday but immediately came back to the thread to drop Majiffy after pirate made her remarks.

i think plenty seemed like a panic move
i don't think Fe would realize "hi, I'm going down, better try distancing my scumpartners while going down!"
i think Fe probably put majiffy in the wrong place, got called out on it, and instead of admitting a mistake, defended with bullshit
that seems more like scum fe to me
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Post Post #711 (isolation #32) » Sun Dec 09, 2012 1:47 pm

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pirate mollie wrote:I never underestimate how players can make such dumb mistakes it is usually town that does this but I have seen scum make some doozies like vote for dead players and shit. I have also seen newb scum do exactly what I am theorizing that fe did not once but twice. his read on majiffy looked like pure panic and again what was he panicking over if majiffy was not on his team.

over getting himself lynched and lurking too much?
what do you think that wall was? a panic wall.
and the interactions with majiffy are just... no. they aren't scumpartners responding to each other. it is fe trying to convince someone that he thinks is the town leader that he is scum. i mean, look in contrast to his interactions with kmd. he sees kmd defending him, he defends kmd back for "going against the grain" and it is the only read he puts effort into actually explaining. meanwhile, majiffy interactions are mostly fe responding to 'jiffy, and they are pretty much the exact same as his interactions with you when he questions you. when kmd questions him, he gives a short answer because he's like "oh it's my scumpartner no need to convince him and i don't want to get caught with this :("/
i also don't like cases based solely on interactions, and i see nothing else from 'jiffy that makes him scum
nothing else at all
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Post Post #712 (isolation #33) » Sun Dec 09, 2012 1:51 pm

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Kmd4390 wrote:Director, fair. I had a town read on scum. If I'm going to be lynched for that, there isn't much I can say.

this is blargh

i would really like to see kmd effort-posting though
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Post Post #715 (isolation #34) » Sun Dec 09, 2012 3:00 pm

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Unvote, Vote: Lastsurvivor


I want you to sheep me until you catch up. I want you to catch up before the 15th of December. Can you do that?
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Post Post #736 (isolation #35) » Sun Dec 09, 2012 11:10 pm

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Maenara wrote:Why would I ever have refrained from bussing him if I was scum?

aaaaa

Maenara wrote:Yadda yadda yadda, how exactly do you propose I defend myself against accusations based on actions that aren't mine?

AAAAAAAA

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Post Post #753 (isolation #36) » Mon Dec 10, 2012 5:42 pm

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TWO MORE VOTES
TWO MORE VOTES
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Post Post #754 (isolation #37) » Mon Dec 10, 2012 5:42 pm

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pirate mollie wrote:guys I seriously wanted to test my theory out and was willing to backpedal on a town read of kmd. can we not even try? Image

we can when maenara is dead
and then we can lynch ls
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Post Post #756 (isolation #38) » Mon Dec 10, 2012 10:31 pm

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pirate mollie wrote:
Nachomamma8 wrote:
pirate mollie wrote:guys I seriously wanted to test my theory out and was willing to backpedal on a town read of kmd. can we not even try? Image

we can when maenara is dead
and then we can lynch ls


nono
nonono
if maenara flips town (and I won't be voting her btw) then we should test my theory on kmd and ns. you cannot even provide a good defense can you except for ns (and that wasn't so good).

if maenara flips scum, can you stop this?
and yes i could, but i probably won't until he catches up and makes an effort post.
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Post Post #786 (isolation #39) » Wed Dec 12, 2012 4:24 am

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the director wrote:If he is the town leader, why wasn't he murdered last night?

Because scum were banking on a kmd mislynch?
I don't know, I don't really subscribe to bullshit WIFOM reasoning such as this. Do you think he is scum?

penguin_alien wrote:While Kmd4390's posts track on a point-by-point basis, I get the sense there's some confirmation bias going on there. Especially WRT finding things near the end, like pirate mollie's jumping to Fe, that contradict Kmd4390's old reads but are ignored or hand-waved aside.

Do you think this confirmation bias is coming from a town perspective or a scum one?
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Post Post #788 (isolation #40) » Wed Dec 12, 2012 8:44 am

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pirate mollie wrote:what would this have to do with a nk choice?

You can leave town leaders alive if they are leading the town off a cliff.
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Post Post #810 (isolation #41) » Wed Dec 12, 2012 9:48 pm

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pirate mollie wrote:
Nachomamma8 wrote:
pirate mollie wrote:what would this have to do with a nk choice?

You can leave town leaders alive if they are leading the town off a cliff.


but majiffy caught scum on d1 and today you are sheeping him so

catching d1 doesn't mean you're going to catch scum d2.
i've had a game where i executed scum d1 then was kept alive to lead the rest of the town to fucktard land.

the director is hilariously town, living in his conspiracy world
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Post Post #883 (isolation #42) » Sat Dec 15, 2012 7:03 pm

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fuck you all, walling

Nobody Special wrote:
Aether wrote:
Let me repeat myself: I am just stating the grammatical errors because I hate grammatical errors in stuff like briefings and stuff.
I just seen so much of them that I cannot take it any more.



Don't even try being an amateur Grammar Nazi when you're around a Professional Grammar Nazi such as myself.

The bolded should begin "I have seen so many of them..." or perhaps "I have simply seen so much of this type of thing...".

The repetition of the word 'stuff' (in the previous sentence) is more of a style issue rather than grammar, so I won't mention that.


Seriously, play the game and stop wasting time on shit like this.

Most times when I play a game with Nobody Special, I can't read him and just lynch him when I have no more scum suspects. Other times, I'm able to read him when he makes a single post. This game is one of those one post read games, and he's town.

Declan_giggs wrote:I haven't seen Fizz before, so his reactions could be any sort of newb tell, I'll grant that it could be scummy. I can't decide if he missed that I threw a second vote on Breakfast way back, didn't fall for the bait and didn't jump on a counter wagon, or is scared to vote anywhere because he might look even more scummy.

Aether is just there to cost whichever side he is on a lynch somewhere along the way. I'm not getting sucked in. I also think its foolish to think that reading the role descriptions is scummy. I just completed a game where the mod screwed up one of the role PMs and we had to live with the way it was written for that game, even tho its not how the role is typically used. The guy who caught the error was the town doc, and it was not his role that was messed up.

So all of this analysis is pretty much nothing and I don't like it. The two main focuses of this post are Fizz and Aether, and yet the closest he gets to calling one of them scum or town is... nothing. Not close at all.

Lastsurvivor wrote:Nothing substantial, however some random questions to the lurkers (who you guys are totally letting off the hook, FYI).

So lastsurvivor replaces in, immediately goes lurker hunting. Which is fine and all, especially since he ends up calling Fe the likeliest scum out of all the lurkers! And since he thinks that the town is letting lurkers off the hook, it only makes sense for him to put a vote on Fe in this post!

Lastsurvivor wrote:Tomorrow afternoon you can expect a vote and a list from me hopefully.

...but he doesn't vote Fe at all. He doesn't give reasons why Fe is the most likely scum out of all of the lurkers. He just throws it out there and leaves it at that, which seems an awful lot like distancing to me.

Lastsurvivor wrote:VOTE: Fizz

Best place for my vote now. Rationale is pretty much what other people have been saying. End of post #44 doesn't seem like it's been posted from a town perspective, and he really hasn't addressed that point.

WAIT WAIT
WHERE DID THE FE SCUMREAD GO
it disappeared like magic!

Number Six wrote:Okaaay, so you're encoding "kiss from a rose" in your posts. The question is still -- Why?

Malakittens wrote:I'm active lurking??..


Yes you are.

this is just one reaction, but I oddly enough liked most of the reactions people had to Majiffy encoding seal into his posts.
i found the paranoia pretty town, people attacking it pretty town, and people who questioned it still, pretty town..

getting a strong as fuck townread from UCT, but i never trust any reads i make on him
uct, am i right?

Lastsurvivor wrote:Uct I asked you a question can you answer it please thanks

the director I also asked you a question. I'm not sure if you've answered it or not. Also that point about Uct was a joke right?

Wow, LS is pretty good at following up on people when he asks them questions.
Unless it's Fe, of course.

Lastsurvivor wrote:While Fe is pretty scummy, post #317 was not scummy at all. I don't understand the reactions to it. Uct, Fizz, The Director, please explain (also the chances of at least one of you being scum is quite high due to that chain of reactions, and I don't think it's uct).

He says Fe is scummy, but continues to defend him anyways.
GET THE FUCK OUT

Fe wrote:Im pretty sure Im not completely retarded and I wasn't intentionally blurring the lines which makes it seems more like your are intentionally restricitng the options to make my seem worse than I am. That isn't necessarily a scummy thing to do, I have done a little digging into his meta and come to the conclusion that this my just be a play style thing, but i oculd be something more.

when people are offended by majiffy like this, they usually aren't his scumpartners
they are usually just afraid to call him scumfuck you all, walling

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Aether wrote:
Let me repeat myself: I am just stating the grammatical errors because I hate grammatical errors in stuff like briefings and stuff.
I just seen so much of them that I cannot take it any more.



Don't even try being an amateur Grammar Nazi when you're around a Professional Grammar Nazi such as myself.

The bolded should begin "I have seen so many of them..." or perhaps "I have simply seen so much of this type of thing...".

The repetition of the word 'stuff' (in the previous sentence) is more of a style issue rather than grammar, so I won't mention that.


Seriously, play the game and stop wasting time on shit like this.

Most times when I play a game with Nobody Special, I can't read him and just lynch him when I have no more scum suspects. Other times, I'm able to read him when he makes a single post. This game is one of those one post read games, and he's town.

Declan_giggs wrote:I haven't seen Fizz before, so his reactions could be any sort of newb tell, I'll grant that it could be scummy. I can't decide if he missed that I threw a second vote on Breakfast way back, didn't fall for the bait and didn't jump on a counter wagon, or is scared to vote anywhere because he might look even more scummy.

Aether is just there to cost whichever side he is on a lynch somewhere along the way. I'm not getting sucked in. I also think its foolish to think that reading the role descriptions is scummy. I just completed a game where the mod screwed up one of the role PMs and we had to live with the way it was written for that game, even tho its not how the role is typically used. The guy who caught the error was the town doc, and it was not his role that was messed up.

So all of this analysis is pretty much nothing and I don't like it. The two main focuses of this post are Fizz and Aether, and yet the closest he gets to calling one of them scum or town is... nothing. Not close at all.

Lastsurvivor wrote:Nothing substantial, however some random questions to the lurkers (who you guys are totally letting off the hook, FYI).

So lastsurvivor replaces in, immediately goes lurker hunting. Which is fine and all, especially since he ends up calling Fe the likeliest scum out of all the lurkers! And since he thinks that the town is letting lurkers off the hook, it only makes sense for him to put a vote on Fe in this post!

Lastsurvivor wrote:Tomorrow afternoon you can expect a vote and a list from me hopefully.

...but he doesn't vote Fe at all. He doesn't give reasons why Fe is the most likely scum out of all of the lurkers. He just throws it out there and leaves it at that, which seems an awful lot like distancing to me.

Lastsurvivor wrote:VOTE: Fizz

Best place for my vote now. Rationale is pretty much what other people have been saying. End of post #44 doesn't seem like it's been posted from a town perspective, and he really hasn't addressed that point.

WAIT WAIT
WHERE DID THE FE SCUMREAD GO
it disappeared like magic!

Number Six wrote:Okaaay, so you're encoding "kiss from a rose" in your posts. The question is still -- Why?

Malakittens wrote:I'm active lurking??..


Yes you are.

this is just one reaction, but I oddly enough liked most of the reactions people had to Majiffy encoding seal into his posts.
i found the paranoia pretty town, people attacking it pretty town, and people who questioned it still, pretty town..

getting a strong as fuck townread from UCT, but i never trust any reads i make on him
uct, am i right?

Lastsurvivor wrote:Uct I asked you a question can you answer it please thanks

the director I also asked you a question. I'm not sure if you've answered it or not. Also that point about Uct was a joke right?

Wow, LS is pretty good at following up on people when he asks them questions.
Unless it's Fe, of course.

Lastsurvivor wrote:While Fe is pretty scummy, post #317 was not scummy at all. I don't understand the reactions to it. Uct, Fizz, The Director, please explain (also the chances of at least one of you being scum is quite high due to that chain of reactions, and I don't think it's uct).

He says Fe is scummy, but continues to defend him anyways.
GET THE FUCK OUT

Fe wrote:Im pretty sure Im not completely retarded and I wasn't intentionally blurring the lines which makes it seems more like your are intentionally restricitng the options to make my seem worse than I am. That isn't necessarily a scummy thing to do, I have done a little digging into his meta and come to the conclusion that this my just be a play style thing, but i oculd be something more.

when people are offended by majiffy like this, they usually aren't his scumpartners
they are usually just afraid to call him scum

Lastsurvivor wrote:
the director wrote:I'm becoming more and more convinced that Fe is just too scared to post and is trying to keep his head down long enough for Fizz or someone else to become the flavor of the moment.


I'm feeling the same way about Fizz really.

you ever get a feeling that a case is writing itself? because that's what I'm feeling right now.
"oh, you think Fe is scum for a reason? I feel exactly the same way about Fizz!"

pirate mollie wrote:well then you are objectively the most scummiest looking players in the game. I have no meta with you wrt your scum game but fuck it you just look wrong.

VOTE: fizz

I liked this exchange between mollie/majiffy.
She trusts him at first, gets paranoid, backs down.

Lastsurvivor wrote:Considering switching my vote but I really don't wanna let Fizz off the hook. <_<

read: "considering bussing but I don't want to"

Lastsurvivor wrote:
Majiffy wrote:Vote Fe and I'll look at Fizz tomorrow. We have scummier scum to lynch.


Huh. Alright.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Fe

THIS IS L-1


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Uct, by the logic of #437, when someone dies in a game, they can't link to it because they died before its completion?

"well, I don't want to hammer, but I don't want to not bus, so I guess I'm stuck doing this"

Lastsurvivor wrote:
the director wrote:Here is what I think happened. Fe knew he was going down so Fe tried to help out his scum buddy Majiffy by calling him town leader. When pirate called him out on that, Fe quickly scrambled and plummeted Majiffy to scum with very weak reasoning ... something along the lines of "I read the game again and decided Majiffy is scum". Majiffy then responded by saying Fe claimed scum in an obvious distancing and hard bus.


Excellent point on Maj.

VOTE: Majiffy

Although Mollie's inclusion in the narrative isn't alignment indicative.

Director seems town now that he's not antagonizing people. NS I don't see the case on, for reasons I'll keep to myself until he responds I guess.

and now LS is completely ignoring Fizz?
why?

so yeah
Unvote, Vote: LastSurvivor
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Post Post #885 (isolation #43) » Sat Dec 15, 2012 7:20 pm

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Majiffy wrote:I used to wallpost like you, then I took a day one lynch to the knee.

man that sounds pretty shitty dude
sorry to hear that
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Post Post #892 (isolation #44) » Sat Dec 15, 2012 8:33 pm

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Lastsurvivor wrote:As your scum buddy Maj says....I have multiple scum reads but am limited by one vote. I'm pretty sure I've explained before that I found Fizz scummier than Fe, but if I haven't I just said it.

just because one is stronger than the other doesn't mean the other one
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Lastsurvivor wrote:LS never asked Fe a question at that point. And when he did ask Fe a question he followed up on it. So this accusation makes no sense.

whoops
i thought that you asked him a question in #206, but you specifically didn't
whee

Lastsurvivor wrote:Nacho how do you feel about your flip flop on Fe that I discussed in my case that you eloquently ignored?

?
why would you ask me for my opinion on something that I DID?
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Post Post #894 (isolation #45) » Sat Dec 15, 2012 9:22 pm

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Lastsurvivor wrote:Not really. You're pushing two contradictory ideas here.

1) Maenara is your highest scum read. This, obviously, means you think Maenara is a part of the scum team. Since you said I will flip scum, that must mean I'm your second highest scum read, and therefore part of the scum team. Which means that, in your mind, the scum team is Maenara/LS.
2) You considered that I was bussing Nacho. Which means that you think Nacho could be part of the scum team. Which means that you were considering a Nacho/LS scum team.

To reiterate: I have no idea why you would consider an LS/Nacho scum team if Maenara is your highest scum read.

could you point out why you thought that Fe was scum with Fizz?
and then explain one more time why you stopped pushing fizz today?
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Post Post #918 (isolation #46) » Sun Dec 16, 2012 9:58 pm

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Lastsurvivor wrote:Where in there do I indicate or imply that my Fe read is gone? In that post I don't suddenly come up with three scum reads that don't include Fe...

That was your #236 (ISO #2). The next time you bring up Fe, it's in #349 (ISO #10), and the post is "While Fe is pretty scummy, post #317 was not scummy at all." You called him the scummiest lurker, and then he completely disappears from your followup and you start ignoring him until people start giving him shit, and your first response is TO DEFEND HIM. How is that an occurrence of a scumread disappearing?

Lastsurvivor wrote:Nacho why did you go from defending Fe like your life depended on it to being ok with his lynch?

I thought Majiffy was pushing an idiotic mislynch like he always does, argued with him, kept looking him over, changed my mind.

Lastsurvivor wrote:And I've answered that second question like twice, but Buldermar's (Fizz's replacement) content was fine. At least I thought it was. After reading his ISO I said here that his posts were scummy.

okay why did you stop pushing his lynch today?
you weren't like "vote: Fizz, oh nevermind buldermar's doing fine"
you came in, voted majiffy, voted maenara
no buldermar/fizz mentions
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Post Post #937 (isolation #47) » Wed Dec 19, 2012 4:22 am

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Lastsurvivor wrote:Look at Fe's ISO. He makes no real posts in between #236 and #317. Fe didn't post...therefore I had nothing to comment on. The read didn't disappear.

He didn't make any "real posts" for the majority of the game. But when he showed up again, it was just more of the same crap. I'd expect that to reinforce your scumread or affect it in some way, but again, you ignored it until other people called it scummy.

Lastsurvivor wrote:if I see something scummy I'm going to comment on it even if it means questioning the people that are on the same wagon as me. Take it or leave it.

ok

Lastsurvivor wrote:I have a very hard time buying that Majiffy convinced you to "change your mind" by just reiterating things that he already said. If you thought Maj was pushing an idiotic mislynch, wouldn't you have already read those points? If you thought Fe was town, like you repeatedly asserted, wouldn't you have read Fe's posts that Maj quoted? What caused you to think differently about them?

Majiffy never specifically changed my mind, but he encouraged me to keep looking over Fe's posts. Originally I had him read as the type of player who would probably be too nervous to pull something like #361 as scum and it seemed like a pretty honest effort, but then I looked over 1298 and I saw how completely different his play was there, and I was pretty okay with hammering.

Lastsurvivor wrote:Keep in mind that when I voted Majiffy, Buldermar hadn't made his first post yet. And I wasn't going to vote Buldermar without him making a post.

You weren't even going to mention buldermar without him making a post? And then we he did and you found it townish (why did you find it townish?), you weren't going to bring him up then either?
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Post Post #943 (isolation #48) » Wed Dec 19, 2012 8:34 am

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Kmd4390 wrote:Can you explain this?

Him defending Fizz initially and then having paranoid leanings while Fizz was flaking seems like a subtlety UCT wouldn't bother faking as scum.
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Post Post #946 (isolation #49) » Wed Dec 19, 2012 8:53 am

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Kmd4390 wrote:He actually hopped on the initial fizz case though.

He hopped onto the initial fizz case, but backed off it later and started defending him.
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Post Post #950 (isolation #50) » Wed Dec 19, 2012 9:11 am

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buldermar do you plan on doing something interesting soon?
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Post Post #954 (isolation #51) » Wed Dec 19, 2012 10:46 am

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Lastsurvivor wrote:If you say so. Why didn't you bring any of that stuff about looking over his other games before?

Why would I? I was hammering him, it wasn't like I had to make a case or anything.
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Post Post #956 (isolation #52) » Wed Dec 19, 2012 11:27 am

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Kmd4390 wrote:I follow you up until him being town...

The entire process looks town to me. The initial suspicion to sort of a revelation that "hey, this guy is playing how I used to" to a bit of paranoid leanings after he's already defended him. I think scumUCT would end up pushing to mislynch him or white knighting him; don't think he would pull something like what he's ended up with as scum.

LS, I haven't taken your suspicion very seriously until recently. So my responses have been more dismissive than actually trying to assuage your suspicions. But now I'm seeing you town as a possibility, so I'm being a bit more cooperative.
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Post Post #958 (isolation #53) » Wed Dec 19, 2012 11:43 am

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shit i don't know what to ask of you
this game is kind of strange. i just wondered if you were lurking or lost.
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Post Post #1047 (isolation #54) » Tue Dec 25, 2012 6:11 am

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can we not plow through this day when i haven't read yet?
i would rather not throw this day away for shits and giggles.
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Post Post #1055 (isolation #55) » Wed Dec 26, 2012 7:37 am

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AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH
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Post Post #1056 (isolation #56) » Wed Dec 26, 2012 7:39 am

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i have townreads on kmd, ns, mollie, buldermar, bork, and uct.
leaving maenara, penguin, and majiffy.

can we just lynch maenara?
because kmd is stupidly town and i don't want to lynch him because that would be stupid.
and fuck that wall of crud shit, and the recent shit is bullshit.
just let her die. let her die now.

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Post Post #1059 (isolation #57) » Wed Dec 26, 2012 12:26 pm

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Kmd4390 wrote:Nacho, Maenara is obvtown.

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why?
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Post Post #1060 (isolation #58) » Wed Dec 26, 2012 12:27 pm

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kmd do you promise?
are you sure you don't find her obvtown because she is buddying you to shit?
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Post Post #1062 (isolation #59) » Wed Dec 26, 2012 1:50 pm

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Unvote, Vote: Penguin
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Post Post #1159 (isolation #60) » Fri Dec 28, 2012 1:46 pm

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buldermar wrote:
Nachomamma8 wrote:because kmd is stupidly town and i don't want to lynch him because that would be stupid.
You'll have to show this for me to change my vote.

He hasn't cared any about survivalism lately. His complete cooperation with getting the fuck killed out of him in combination with him defending viable counterwagons (Maenara) and pushing counterwagons that really aren't viable (bork) seems more like town trying to find his groove again rather than something with any kind of scum motivation. The self-vote also says that as scum he would be playing the WIFOM game, and as scum, he knows better than to try something in an apathetic, slower game just as this one. In faster games, WIFOM plays are at least somewhat viable because people are likely to overthink things and there's always the opportunity for kneejerk reactions that lead to quicklynches elsewhere, but in a slow game like this, there's the chance that we're going to lynch him because we don't have patience for that kind of shit, and it's just not really worth the risk as scum. I also respect him more as a player than being the type to just give up, so I seriously doubt he's scum.

penguin_alien wrote:[caveat: 1292 is ongoing]

(don't talk about it then)

pirate mollie wrote:did you just use a gambler's fallacy here? LOLOLOLOL

you're welcome, mollie

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so what changed since this train of thought?

It was never a train of thought. I was prodding uct on his.

pirate mollie wrote:the only difference I see is who is in the lynch lead and you are going for soft saves. gentle steering.

I changed my mind on kmd. I haven't changed my mind on anyone else in this post.

pirate mollie wrote:call bs on the part wrt the bold. what is super funny about this one is how you are saying you do not like cases built solely on interactions but that is exactly what you are doing with your 180 on majiffy. LOL

my 180 on majiffy...?
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Post Post #1161 (isolation #61) » Fri Dec 28, 2012 2:06 pm

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penguin
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Post Post #1199 (isolation #62) » Sat Dec 29, 2012 2:11 pm

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pirate mollie wrote:majiffy is a hardcore busser. I think he attempted to bus kmd from the get go in order to gain town cred on finding scum amongst a really good player. how do I know this? cos he has said this and he bussed me and got caught out in the recent tr game which only implicated himself. he switched to fe when kmd showed resistance and he is not giving a read on kmd now he is merely wanting to vote him based off of that 1 post. majiffy screams about cases but wants kmd lynched with not remembering why he had him as scum in the first place.

Majiffy also talked about going into D1s blind, meaning that your current flips are sort of useless and voting kmd for being pushed hard by majiffy take three more jumps in logic than I am currently comfortable with.

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Nachomamma8 wrote:in combination with him defending viable counterwagons (Maenara) and pushing counterwagons that really aren't viable (bork)
Which posts do you have in mind?

Two of them should be obvious.

pirate mollie wrote:I am not seeing any at all whatsoever the sharp and sophisticated analysis from him that I am used to seeing.

This is the nature of the game and has little to do with my alignment.
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Post Post #1200 (isolation #63) » Sat Dec 29, 2012 2:19 pm

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I feel pretty fucking fantastic about this penguin lynch mostly because of the tunneling on NS and ignoring anything else that comes along until the wagon is sizeable enough. I mean, if you look at the Fe votes Penguin makes, it's only after the Fe wagon is too big to stop, and immediately after she votes Fe, she immediately starts throwing out the "YOU COULD TOTALLY WAGON THESE PEOPLE" hint everywhere. Check out the first post she made after voting Fizz:

penguin_alien wrote:I don't feel inclined to move my vote from Fe yet, as I think he still is giving off way more scum vibes than pro-town signals, but pirate mollie's support of Kmd4390's take on Fizz makes a lot of sense. Unfortunately I don't have time to reread this thread at the moment, but I plan to check tomorrow how many of Fizz's reads, particularly those he was willing to call town, were parroting popular earlier opinions, in particular his town reads on Malakittens and pirate mollie. Since other than them, everyone except Last Survivor came up as scummy or unclear to him. Yes, it is early days, but it's also a question of if he's scum, he's hedging his bets/not leaving much to incriminate him.

Not sure if it's relevant, but Number Six and Breakfast have been MIA for upward of a week. Number Six came in volunteering a couple of reads but has disappeared since people lost interest in voting his slot (formerly Aether's), no V/LA that I can see. Breakfast also seems to have lost interest since everyone's focus moved away from the Aether-spot lynch, i.e. one that while may have had somewhat of a point also had a decent amount of 'lynch the VI.' My initial thoughts on their behavior are kind of mutually exclusive, as it seems like Number Six was mostly posting when it was in his interest to avoid being strung up, and Breakfast was mostly interested in pushing the lynch on the Number Six-Aether slot, with a side order of interest in Nobody Special.

"Fe is still pretty scummy, but kmd's case on Fizz makes a lot of sense and I personallywill be reading up a lot on Fizz. Number Six and Breakfast have also been gone for a while, so people should look over there!"

Next, penguin endorses the counterwagon even more:

penguin_alien wrote:While we're waiting for Fe to finish giving us his reads, I'd like to ask why Fizz has completely disappeared? He said he would be V/LA through Monday at the latest, which is closing in on 72 hours by the most generous standards and time zone assumptions. His last content was #319, in which he said he thought Fe was fishy, yet declined to put down a vote.

His initial willingness to interact with the game seems to have faded, and many of his reads boiled down to, 'not sure what to think.' I still want Fe lynched today, but I get the sense that Fizz threw us a bone of appeasement, and we went haring off after it. Pardon me if I'm breaking some understanding of V/LAs, but given how vague his was, I think it's worth another look.

And I also realize that Nobody Special had a lot on his plate, but I'm still not happy with his explanation of his wagon-hopping in this day phase, namely from Fizz to Kmd4390. Nobody Special, why the vote change from someone you said you thought was scum to their prime accuser with no indication that you agreed with any arguments against Kmd4390? And please give me something more than idle curiosity about the result of doing so.


It seems a strange thing to me to give the counterwagon so much lipservice when you acknowledge that there's inactive slots that might make getting a lynch difficult, and not push the wagon you are voting at all. It looks like penguin felt obligated to buss Fe here, but still did all she could to subtly push the wagon off him.
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Post Post #1206 (isolation #64) » Sat Dec 29, 2012 2:46 pm

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Majiffy wrote:
the director wrote:I'm still good for a penguin lynch. If memory serves me correct she was on the Fe wagon but not on the LS wagon, yet seemed to be cheering for it from the sidelines. Then after it went through she immediately got all upset that LS had been lynched without a claim, which is a forced townie response.

Hi scum. I've already addressed this but good job parroting Mollie.

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Post Post #1210 (isolation #65) » Sat Dec 29, 2012 3:09 pm

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STOP THIS SHIT AND LOOK AT PENGUIN AGAIN
I have explained why I find UCT town and I am most likely going to explain the kmd townread again soon, so please do me the same courtesy and look at penguin.

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Post Post #1222 (isolation #66) » Sat Dec 29, 2012 3:53 pm

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mollie i don't vote town just to shut people up
i would be more willing to vote majiffy but i don't necessarily think he's scum
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Post Post #1230 (isolation #67) » Sat Dec 29, 2012 4:31 pm

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Majiffy wrote:Logical conclusion: You're scum.

"that's what he thought" as in he figured you didn't have a good reason for thinking penguin wasn't scum.
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Post Post #1281 (isolation #68) » Mon Dec 31, 2012 10:05 am

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i might be tunneling on penguin
but i am too excited for tonight to do something as sophisticated as "reanalyze" or put the breaks on my new fav scumread
so i am analyzing later
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Post Post #1282 (isolation #69) » Mon Dec 31, 2012 10:05 am

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also glad to see buldey and 'jiffy getting along <3
look at you two. so cute together.
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Post Post #1357 (isolation #70) » Tue Jan 01, 2013 11:35 am

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Kmd4390 wrote:Anyone else think Uct is more concerned with everyone's actual thoughts than finding who is scum? Looks like a pretty basic psychological tell for a mentality of "what do they think of me and my team" rather than "who is being deceptive". That alone should be enough reason to vote Uct. If Uct flips scum, we can use these posts to clear people. For example, 1351 would clear mollie.

mollie is already town
so is uct
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Post Post #1360 (isolation #71) » Tue Jan 01, 2013 11:53 am

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I don't get that impression from uct. Mollie seems the most concerned about other's thoughts if we're going down that road but I find that to be typical from mollie town.
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Post Post #1393 (isolation #72) » Thu Jan 03, 2013 3:18 am

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pirate mollie wrote:
Nachomamma8 wrote:I don't get that impression from uct. Mollie seems the most concerned about other's thoughts if we're going down that road but I find that to be typical from mollie town.
so


you avoided the second part of kmd's question.

where is your list

Nachomamma8 wrote:i have townreads on kmd, ns, mollie, buldermar, bork, and uct.
leaving maenara, penguin, and majiffy.

pirate mollie wrote:
Nachomamma8 wrote:I don't get that impression from uct. Mollie seems the most concerned about other's thoughts if we're going down that road but I find that to be typical from mollie town.
so


you avoided the second part of kmd's question.

where is your list

Nachomamma8 wrote:i have townreads on kmd, ns, mollie, buldermar, bork, and uct.
leaving maenara, penguin, and majiffy.

I don't have top three townreads, but for what you're doing, kmd buldermar and you are my choices. and i read buldermar's post, will get to it after initial catchup.
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Post Post #1394 (isolation #73) » Thu Jan 03, 2013 3:30 am

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but first...!
buldermar wrote:Excuses the lurking

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Post Post #1396 (isolation #74) » Thu Jan 03, 2013 4:06 am

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buldermar wrote:This post was really weird to me because he had been lurking a lot beforehand. "Hey look at me I'm looking forward to being an active pro-town player".

I replaced in November 29th, 6:30 PM. That post was made November 29th, 7:24 PM. Majiffy also thought that I was lurking beforehand, but no. I just replaced in. The "hey I'm looking forward to being an active pro-town player" bit is also something that's a bit alignment null. It's essentially equivalent to saying "hey, I'm looking forward to being town for once!" or "hey, I'm looking forward to smashing the scum this game!".

buldermar wrote:Excuses the lurking and asks Fe who should be voted in the very same post. We obviously know now that Fe is scum and I see no reason why Nacho wouldn't do this to make Fe "make a case" and kind of force the attention on someone by sheeping him.

The second part is exactly what I was doing. I buddied up to Fe, and pretty much offered to sheep him because I wanted to see how he would react. He was sort of crumbling under pressure, and I have a tendency to protect the fuck out of weaker players who are under a shit ton of pressure because I don't agree with the cases against them and end up getting townreads on them even if they are obviously scum, and it's an Achilles heel I've been working on.

buldermar wrote:This is really irrelevant because at this point Fe was one vote short of being lynched and with no obvious candidate.

It's irrelevant, but it doesn't really point to my alignment either way.

buldermar wrote:This is really lazy in a way I don't find characteristic for town-Nacho. He doesn't say "I like x and y and z about your reasoning for voting kmd, so I'll sheep", he just makes a fake emotional response about how bad it feels to be sheeping Majiffy without mentioning the reasoning at all.

The "I hate sheeping Majiffy" was more of a joke than anything else. The vote in and of itself wasn't really lazy, either; kmd was sitting pretty solidly in null where he normally doesn't at all. I wanted to see him do more, and so I voted him. If I liked specific points of the case and considered pushing it myself, then I would have, but I wanted the wagon to grow for reasons other than "kmd is scum, lynch him", and so you didn't get more reasoning from me.

buldermar wrote:This was when kmd hit L-1. Absolute lack of explanation for the sudden jump. Majiffy points this out in the very next post:

Lack of explanation, yes. Lack of reasoning, no. KMD's #713 was honest and wasn't really what I expected at all to see from kmd-scum. I've seen him in shitty places before, but he's not the type to quit because people absolutely have him pegged. Him throwing his arms up and sort of accepting the lynch while giving a realistic answer to my request and not a promise that would buy him potential time which could direct the lynch somewhere else gave me a strong townread. You also note that Majiffy asks me the reason for my sudden jump, but you don't note Majiffy's own sudden jump, which came right before mine. Why?

buldermar wrote:Then after a ton of low activity posts, out of nowhere, comes This hugeass wall. It's based exclusively on old posts so there is no reason as to why this case wasn't made when the day first started instead of simply sheeping kmd.

...except I wasn't necessarily that sure about the case when the day first started, and it's not really a good idea to start pushing the case before your read is strong. Putting out big cases on people will always help to confirm your bias in 90% of cases, so when you do that, you're essentially saying that you're ready for that player to be lynched. And I wasn't ready to make a call for someone to be lynched just then.
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Post Post #1405 (isolation #75) » Thu Jan 03, 2013 5:26 am

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Nachomamma8 wrote:The second part is exactly what I was doing. I buddied up to Fe, and pretty much offered to sheep him because I wanted to see how he would react. He was sort of crumbling under pressure, and I have a tendency to protect the fuck out of weaker players who are under a shit ton of pressure because I don't agree with the cases against them and end up getting townreads on them even if they are obviously scum, and it's an Achilles heel I've been working on.
My point is that you were trying to force the attention on someone other than Fe by having him make a case on someone else, that is, directing attention away from him.

I didn't expect Fe to make an amazing case; I expected him to make a genuine case. If I was trying to direct attention away from him, I think it would be a far better move to do something like writing the case on Fizz myself and adding to the counterwagon instead of putting all the pressure on Fe to direct the lynch away from himself.

buldermar wrote:
Nachomamma8 wrote:It's irrelevant, but it doesn't really point to my alignment either way.
I think it does because vote analysis would point to you being on the wagon when you were not in support of his lynch before the very last minut where it become obvious that he was getting lynched.

Vote analysis that says someone is town because they were on one scum wagon is terrible vote analysis. Vote analysis that says someone is scum because they are off one scum wagon is terrible vote analysis. I would not be afraid of a vote analysis that bad as scum.

buldermar wrote:I don't buy this explanation. Obviously I can't prove that it's not true, but hey, this isn't a court and I simply don't buy it.

You can't prove it, but you can explain why you think town-Nacho wouldn't follow my explanation while scum-Nacho would be more inclined to follow your explanation.

buldermar wrote:Prove that this explanation isn't fabricated. That is, show where you've pointed this out before now. Otherwise, I can safely disregard it.

I haven't pointed it out before now. Even if it had, it wouldn't make it proven to be genuine and not a fabrication. The same challenge to this response as the last one.

buldermar wrote:That depends on how you construct your cases. While I do get your point, and although your point may be valid in many circumstances, I do not trust it to be the reason right here.

Why then do you think that I hesitated in providing my case?
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Post Post #1406 (isolation #76) » Thu Jan 03, 2013 5:31 am

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buldermar wrote:Anyway, our conversation is not leading anywhere because a) there is little you can do now to convince me to interpret the past posts in a different way, b) there is close to no interest in lynching you and, as such, c) I'm not going to vote you when you're not going to get lynched anyway.

This doesn't mean the conversation is useless.
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Post Post #1574 (isolation #77) » Sat Jan 05, 2013 1:37 pm

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once maenara checks in i'm voting ns
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Post Post #1587 (isolation #78) » Sat Jan 05, 2013 7:01 pm

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bahahahahahaha
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Post Post #1588 (isolation #79) » Sat Jan 05, 2013 7:01 pm

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mollie, kmd isn't his partner, though
absolutely not
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Post Post #1589 (isolation #80) » Sat Jan 05, 2013 7:04 pm

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Kmd4390 wrote:Fuck.

Is uct town?

Majiffy, nacho, a little help please.

he's town

i might be the only one, but majiffy claim broke the game open for me
maenara and ns speedlynches pretty win the game for us
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Post Post #1590 (isolation #81) » Sat Jan 05, 2013 7:06 pm

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mollie confirmed herself as town in her townie way
if buldermar is scum, he's impressed the fuck out of me and i'll write him a poem on how excellently he's playing
penguin is town thanks to majiffy who is also town
this is the strongest townread i've gotten on kmd, ever
director and bork are obvtown, pretty much
uct is town town town

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Post Post #1591 (isolation #82) » Sat Jan 05, 2013 7:09 pm

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like, done and done.
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Post Post #1626 (isolation #83) » Sun Jan 06, 2013 11:33 am

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borkjerfkin wrote:I'm rooting for dark horse Seattle to take the whole thing

I am too, it's not looking like it right now.

the director wrote:Nacho is posting, so I'm going to assume he is avoiding this thread.

if nacho is posting, that probably means he's in other games!
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Post Post #1627 (isolation #84) » Sun Jan 06, 2013 11:34 am

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Nobody Special wrote:I am but a simple Vanilla Townie.

I am aware that I am no longer at L-1, but there you go.

fucking lynch him
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Post Post #1628 (isolation #85) » Sun Jan 06, 2013 11:39 am

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pirate mollie wrote:thinking you are scum though

and you're going to let me live another night?
you do realize that you would essentially be handing the game over to me with a uct townflip, right?
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Post Post #1630 (isolation #86) » Sun Jan 06, 2013 11:44 am

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he will though
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Post Post #1631 (isolation #87) » Sun Jan 06, 2013 11:44 am

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ns will not :(
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Post Post #1633 (isolation #88) » Sun Jan 06, 2013 11:46 am

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i don't want to be at odds, majiffy
why is ns town?
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Post Post #1635 (isolation #89) » Sun Jan 06, 2013 11:49 am

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but he is
ns is not
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Post Post #1637 (isolation #90) » Sun Jan 06, 2013 11:56 am

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i read your case, i didn't respond because i liked my towncase more
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Post Post #1643 (isolation #91) » Sun Jan 06, 2013 1:20 pm

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the director wrote:Good god you are scum aren't you?

obv
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Post Post #1764 (isolation #92) » Mon Jan 07, 2013 3:36 pm

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Vote: UCT
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Post Post #1770 (isolation #93) » Mon Jan 07, 2013 4:09 pm

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Nachomamma8 wrote:mollie confirmed herself as town in her townie way
if buldermar is scum, he's impressed the fuck out of me and i'll write him a poem on how excellently he's playing
penguin is town thanks to majiffy who is also town
this is the strongest townread i've gotten on kmd, ever
director and bork are obvtown, pretty much
uct is town town town

and maenara and ns are maenara and ns

'jiffy
we shouldn't be at odds anymore
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Post Post #1771 (isolation #94) » Mon Jan 07, 2013 4:10 pm

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sorry uct :(
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Post Post #1774 (isolation #95) » Mon Jan 07, 2013 4:21 pm

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Majiffy wrote:
Nachomamma8 wrote:we shouldn't be at odds anymore

I dunno, dat "obvtown" director read... :neutral:

...
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Post Post #1824 (isolation #96) » Sat Jan 12, 2013 11:21 am

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kmd
i completely understand where you are coming from
also majiffy
in that last votecount on d2
maenara was voting lastsurvivor, not uct

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Post Post #1831 (isolation #97) » Sat Jan 12, 2013 3:17 pm

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Vote: Bork


we have 5 lynches to hit the last scum
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Post Post #1834 (isolation #98) » Sat Jan 12, 2013 3:37 pm

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who is also a number nazi
4 lynches not 5 :(
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Post Post #1839 (isolation #99) » Sat Jan 12, 2013 3:45 pm

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OH SHIT GOOD CALL BORK
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Post Post #1840 (isolation #100) » Sat Jan 12, 2013 3:45 pm

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GOOD FUCKING CALL
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Post Post #1841 (isolation #101) » Sat Jan 12, 2013 3:47 pm

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although that makes it significantly more likely you are scum.
oh well i don't give a fuck

majiffy, penguin, maenara are all cleared thanks to role interaction shit
buldey and mollie are cleared thanks to playing town as fuck
that's sexy
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Post Post #1844 (isolation #102) » Sat Jan 12, 2013 3:51 pm

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oh right
fuck
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Post Post #1845 (isolation #103) » Sat Jan 12, 2013 3:51 pm

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MAN I DON'T WANT TO THINK ANYMORE THIS GAME
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Post Post #1846 (isolation #104) » Sat Jan 12, 2013 3:52 pm

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ok then lynch penguin last
put NS in the never lynch list
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Post Post #1847 (isolation #105) » Sat Jan 12, 2013 3:52 pm

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also let's not kill bork.
he's p town
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Post Post #1850 (isolation #106) » Sat Jan 12, 2013 3:57 pm

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no we have 4 lynches
and if none of those 4 lynches hit scum
then we lose

'jiffy also isn't scum
what idiot would claim doctor
and then bus his partner
when he knows that there's a doctor
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Post Post #1859 (isolation #107) » Sat Jan 12, 2013 4:14 pm

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ns is my favorite townie ever
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Post Post #1860 (isolation #108) » Sat Jan 12, 2013 4:17 pm

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also i think scum is probs penguin
cuz borky isn't scum
so
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Post Post #1864 (isolation #109) » Sat Jan 12, 2013 4:22 pm

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nooooooo
don't bring this is lylo
please majiffy
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Post Post #1865 (isolation #110) » Sat Jan 12, 2013 4:23 pm

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wait i was supposed to hammer all of the scum
my life dream is ruined
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Post Post #1866 (isolation #111) » Sat Jan 12, 2013 4:23 pm

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you know what we should do
we should play POPCORN QUICKLYNCH
you quicklynch me
i choose who we quicklynch next
it'll be AWESOME i promise
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Post Post #1873 (isolation #112) » Sat Jan 12, 2013 4:42 pm

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guys can we please do popcorn lynching
please
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Post Post #1875 (isolation #113) » Sat Jan 12, 2013 4:48 pm

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Vote: Nacho


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4 posts, 1 lynch
i believe in you guys :]
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Post Post #2017 (isolation #114) » Mon Jan 21, 2013 4:09 am

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mollie and kmd
:(

although i will be honest bork saying that penguin was super town for being down with dying almost broke my heart

penguin_alien wrote:I would love to know what made Nachomamma8 so confident that I was the last scum (although I'll point out that the people who were likely to be alive the next day, since Majiffy was the necessary NK choice, didn't agree to the popcorn lynch plan) if he doesn't mind sharing.

totally knew no one except for majiffy would agree to popcorn lynching
that's why i quickhammered myself :]
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Post Post #2023 (isolation #115) » Mon Jan 21, 2013 4:58 am

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http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?t=12760

this is where i get the idea from
hasn't been used in any other games, really
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