Open 459: There is a New Scum in Town. Game Over Town Wins!
Forum rules
- Nachomamma8
-
Nachomamma8 Devil in the Details
- Nachomamma8
- Devil in the Details
- Devil in the Details
- Posts: 38382
- Joined: June 5, 2009
- Location: Chicago
- Nachomamma8
-
Nachomamma8 Devil in the Details
- Nachomamma8
- Devil in the Details
- Devil in the Details
- Posts: 38382
- Joined: June 5, 2009
- Location: Chicago
- Nachomamma8
-
Nachomamma8 Devil in the Details
- Nachomamma8
- Devil in the Details
- Devil in the Details
- Posts: 38382
- Joined: June 5, 2009
- Location: Chicago
man these fingers are so impatient
and they appreciate the deadline extension and don't want to waste a good gift, but MY GOD will I hammer you so fast if you ignore me"Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
-- Fate, Vanilla Townie, was brutally stabbed by a throwing sword in endgame.- Nachomamma8
-
Nachomamma8 Devil in the Details
- Nachomamma8
- Devil in the Details
- Devil in the Details
- Posts: 38382
- Joined: June 5, 2009
- Location: Chicago
yeah, my bad, been lurking pretty hard
Fe is town, don't lynch him, the lynch is terrible.
Majiffy is probably town, Fizz is a ? but I will vote him to save Fe
but it shouldn't come to that since we have 5 days
Fe, who should I vote?"Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
-- Fate, Vanilla Townie, was brutally stabbed by a throwing sword in endgame.- Nachomamma8
-
Nachomamma8 Devil in the Details
- Nachomamma8
- Devil in the Details
- Devil in the Details
- Posts: 38382
- Joined: June 5, 2009
- Location: Chicago
I don't consider him to be a liability. I can read him just fine, he's making an effort to contribute, and there are far better lynches for today.
Plus I don't play the "lynch someone you think is town" game in order to make the game easier because that doesn't really make a whole lot of sense to me.
Fe, Fizz also hasn't posted anywhere else. Do you think that he is refusing to post in all of his games specifically to avoid this one?"Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
-- Fate, Vanilla Townie, was brutally stabbed by a throwing sword in endgame.- Nachomamma8
-
Nachomamma8 Devil in the Details
- Nachomamma8
- Devil in the Details
- Devil in the Details
- Posts: 38382
- Joined: June 5, 2009
- Location: Chicago
↑ Majiffy wrote:Making an effort? He makes a gigantic IIOA post that says diddly squat, then the few claims he did make he backed off of because people were calling out the shitty reasons behind them, then he said "well jeez those were just my notes guys don't take anything I post seriously erhmahgerd" and now he's calling me town and scum on the same page for the same reason.
The IIoA post reeks of "well I don't really know what to do but I'm going to try to do something anyways", and the notes thing reeks of pride being hurt. It's a natural reaction."Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
-- Fate, Vanilla Townie, was brutally stabbed by a throwing sword in endgame.- Nachomamma8
-
Nachomamma8 Devil in the Details
- Nachomamma8
- Devil in the Details
- Devil in the Details
- Posts: 38382
- Joined: June 5, 2009
- Location: Chicago
you're completely incorrect
which is fine because you're trapped in your tunnel, but do keep these lessons in mind for later"Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
-- Fate, Vanilla Townie, was brutally stabbed by a throwing sword in endgame.- Nachomamma8
-
Nachomamma8 Devil in the Details
- Nachomamma8
- Devil in the Details
- Devil in the Details
- Posts: 38382
- Joined: June 5, 2009
- Location: Chicago
Not often. Usually, it's more of mild suspicion thrown onto the next biggest wagon with no reasoning given, and plenty of lurking.
Source: Suzaku & EagleAquila
Town : I really don't know how to scumhunt
Result : IIOA
Mhm. Aether
Scum : They're calling faults in my weak reads!
Result : They're just notes guys! Don't take them seriously!
Town : They're making fun of my terribad reads!
Result : They're just notes guys! Don't take them seriously!
this one is pretty accurate, yeah
so it doesn't really make him scum, which was what I thought you were trying to argue here"Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
-- Fate, Vanilla Townie, was brutally stabbed by a throwing sword in endgame.- Nachomamma8
-
Nachomamma8 Devil in the Details
- Nachomamma8
- Devil in the Details
- Devil in the Details
- Posts: 38382
- Joined: June 5, 2009
- Location: Chicago
We have 5 days to make something happen, so we shouldn't have to worry about voting to avoid a no lynch quite yet.
Is Fizz your strongest scumsuspect?"Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
-- Fate, Vanilla Townie, was brutally stabbed by a throwing sword in endgame.- Nachomamma8
-
Nachomamma8 Devil in the Details
- Nachomamma8
- Devil in the Details
- Devil in the Details
- Posts: 38382
- Joined: June 5, 2009
- Location: Chicago
↑ borkjerfkin wrote:@Nacho: taking a single example/counterexample from not even the same player to prove that point? No dude.
*sigh*"Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
-- Fate, Vanilla Townie, was brutally stabbed by a throwing sword in endgame.- Nachomamma8
-
Nachomamma8 Devil in the Details
- Nachomamma8
- Devil in the Details
- Devil in the Details
- Posts: 38382
- Joined: June 5, 2009
- Location: Chicago
↑ borkjerfkin wrote:Seriously what am I supposed to be looking at? How one person that isn't Fe played scum in one instance?
We were talking about newbie playstyles in general, not Fe's meta."Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
-- Fate, Vanilla Townie, was brutally stabbed by a throwing sword in endgame.- Nachomamma8
-
Nachomamma8 Devil in the Details
- Nachomamma8
- Devil in the Details
- Devil in the Details
- Posts: 38382
- Joined: June 5, 2009
- Location: Chicago
↑ borkjerfkin wrote:And I think you're deliberately taking an unacceptable sample size in order to prove whatever point you want.
I'm grabbing two things that I remember from recent newbie games that formed my thoughts specifically. No, I do not feel like combing through more of my games for more of a sample size because that would be a useless waste of my time. The little I did provide was a challenge to Majiffy to produce an equal amount of examples to see that he actually has something behind what he's talking about."Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
-- Fate, Vanilla Townie, was brutally stabbed by a throwing sword in endgame.- Nachomamma8
-
Nachomamma8 Devil in the Details
- Nachomamma8
- Devil in the Details
- Devil in the Details
- Posts: 38382
- Joined: June 5, 2009
- Location: Chicago
Excellent, glad you saw the terse style and suspicion shifting that is oh-so-common in newbies these days. I'm especially glad that you didn't dismiss my argument based on a trivial piece of information.
Especially post #108, which had a town person doing the very thing you were calling scummy! And, if you dare to read around that specific post (which I know you did because you are a champion who is pursuing the truth and getting scum lynched), you'd notice a discussion I had with the newbies on why IIoA is not necessarily a scumtell for newbies. And it makes sense! IIoA is generally a scum tool used by people who are a little more experienced in the game; it's hard to make up purposefully useless information if you don't know what is useful, and there's not really a good reason for putting effort into bullshit when you could make something a bit more useful-looking.
No he's scum for the scummy things he's said. Look at my ISO please, I point out plenty of quotes. Thanks for playing!
Now now, making me look at your ISO when you won't even consider anything I post is a little inconsiderate. You could give me reasons again. Hell, you could even quote specific things from your own ISO! Wouldn't that be a sight to see...
Better things to do with your time, like not back up your arguments with any sort of footwork and instead spend good time creating more bullshit ones? Ah."Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
-- Fate, Vanilla Townie, was brutally stabbed by a throwing sword in endgame.- Nachomamma8
-
Nachomamma8 Devil in the Details
- Nachomamma8
- Devil in the Details
- Devil in the Details
- Posts: 38382
- Joined: June 5, 2009
- Location: Chicago
Thanks 'jiffy. You have my hammer as soon as my replacement catches up. But if anyone hammers before then I will be pretty sad and angry and vengeful."Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
-- Fate, Vanilla Townie, was brutally stabbed by a throwing sword in endgame.- Nachomamma8
-
Nachomamma8 Devil in the Details
- Nachomamma8
- Devil in the Details
- Devil in the Details
- Posts: 38382
- Joined: June 5, 2009
- Location: Chicago
- Nachomamma8
-
Nachomamma8 Devil in the Details
- Nachomamma8
- Devil in the Details
- Devil in the Details
- Posts: 38382
- Joined: June 5, 2009
- Location: Chicago
↑ borkjerfkin wrote:Also do you think Nacho is just playing stupidly here or do you think he's scum?
I'm assuming you don't have an opinion either way and need Majiffy to tell you what to think?"Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
-- Fate, Vanilla Townie, was brutally stabbed by a throwing sword in endgame.- Nachomamma8
-
Nachomamma8 Devil in the Details
- Nachomamma8
- Devil in the Details
- Devil in the Details
- Posts: 38382
- Joined: June 5, 2009
- Location: Chicago
↑ pirate mollie wrote:also nacho are you really subbing out?
No. I meant to say that I'd hold the hammer until Maenara catches up, not whatever the hell I actually ended up saying.
↑ borkjerfkin wrote:Yeah dawg my past interactions with Breakfast support the fuck out of that assertion.
The past is gone, man. Breakfast is gone and Lunch is here, meaning that you can actually back that suspicion up with something that at least resembles a real case, instead of that weak crap you're currently playing around with."Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
-- Fate, Vanilla Townie, was brutally stabbed by a throwing sword in endgame.- Nachomamma8
-
Nachomamma8 Devil in the Details
- Nachomamma8
- Devil in the Details
- Devil in the Details
- Posts: 38382
- Joined: June 5, 2009
- Location: Chicago
I don't think you're scum, and I'm not implying that I think you are scum.
I do think you're being lazy, though. I wanted to point out that your breakfast suspicion was all your own and not Majiffy's, so you should put a little more effort into figuring out whether I am scum or not and putting something forward instead of trying to get Majiffy to give your reasoning for you. Today also isn't about Fe versus Fizz anymore, so it'd be nice if people went back to voting who they thought was scum and not their scumpick out of Fe/Fizz."Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
-- Fate, Vanilla Townie, was brutally stabbed by a throwing sword in endgame.- Nachomamma8
-
Nachomamma8 Devil in the Details
- Nachomamma8
- Devil in the Details
- Devil in the Details
- Posts: 38382
- Joined: June 5, 2009
- Location: Chicago
- Nachomamma8
-
Nachomamma8 Devil in the Details
- Nachomamma8
- Devil in the Details
- Devil in the Details
- Posts: 38382
- Joined: June 5, 2009
- Location: Chicago
- Nachomamma8
-
Nachomamma8 Devil in the Details
- Nachomamma8
- Devil in the Details
- Devil in the Details
- Posts: 38382
- Joined: June 5, 2009
- Location: Chicago
↑ Nobody Special wrote:A plethora of reasons, many of which are nonpublic for the moment.
Besides, you'realwaysscum. Right?
You can give me two reasons.
Also I'm very rarely scum. I feel like we've played a lot of games together, and you've been scum in like 90% of them and I've been town like 80% of them..."Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
-- Fate, Vanilla Townie, was brutally stabbed by a throwing sword in endgame.- Nachomamma8
-
Nachomamma8 Devil in the Details
- Nachomamma8
- Devil in the Details
- Devil in the Details
- Posts: 38382
- Joined: June 5, 2009
- Location: Chicago
↑ pirate mollie wrote:I don't understand this response. are you subbing out yes or no if no then what does maenara have to do with anything. subbing out means someone else comes in and takes your place is maenara coming in and taking your place yes or no.
No I am not replacing out.
Maenara is replacing Number Six, and has not had the chance to catch up yet. I'm holding my vote until he does so."Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
-- Fate, Vanilla Townie, was brutally stabbed by a throwing sword in endgame.- Nachomamma8
-
Nachomamma8 Devil in the Details
- Nachomamma8
- Devil in the Details
- Devil in the Details
- Posts: 38382
- Joined: June 5, 2009
- Location: Chicago
↑ borkjerfkin wrote:I don't think that town-Nacho would make the argument that he's making about Fe being town.
I no longer view Fe as town.
Hence why I'm promising to vote him when Maenara makes his catchup post."Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
-- Fate, Vanilla Townie, was brutally stabbed by a throwing sword in endgame.- Nachomamma8
-
Nachomamma8 Devil in the Details
- Nachomamma8
- Devil in the Details
- Devil in the Details
- Posts: 38382
- Joined: June 5, 2009
- Location: Chicago
As always...? Where do you have experience with us in the past?"Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
-- Fate, Vanilla Townie, was brutally stabbed by a throwing sword in endgame.- Nachomamma8
-
Nachomamma8 Devil in the Details
- Nachomamma8
- Devil in the Details
- Devil in the Details
- Posts: 38382
- Joined: June 5, 2009
- Location: Chicago
- Nachomamma8
-
Nachomamma8 Devil in the Details
- Nachomamma8
- Devil in the Details
- Devil in the Details
- Posts: 38382
- Joined: June 5, 2009
- Location: Chicago
- Nachomamma8
-
Nachomamma8 Devil in the Details
- Nachomamma8
- Devil in the Details
- Devil in the Details
- Posts: 38382
- Joined: June 5, 2009
- Location: Chicago
- Nachomamma8
-
Nachomamma8 Devil in the Details
- Nachomamma8
- Devil in the Details
- Devil in the Details
- Posts: 38382
- Joined: June 5, 2009
- Location: Chicago
- Nachomamma8
-
Nachomamma8 Devil in the Details
- Nachomamma8
- Devil in the Details
- Devil in the Details
- Posts: 38382
- Joined: June 5, 2009
- Location: Chicago
The Majiffy wagon is really, really stupid.
Also not convinced with NS. If he was trying to defend his buddy, I really don't think he'd try to lynch me, of all people. No one (except for bork, but bork is crazy) was talking about the scumread on me, so it wasn't exactly opportunistic. And he didn't vote Fizz, which would have been a hell of a lot more telling to me. So yeah, calling him town.
Don't really like Lastsurvivor right now, and might sheep Majiffy onto kmd. Might."Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
-- Fate, Vanilla Townie, was brutally stabbed by a throwing sword in endgame.- Nachomamma8
-
Nachomamma8 Devil in the Details
- Nachomamma8
- Devil in the Details
- Devil in the Details
- Posts: 38382
- Joined: June 5, 2009
- Location: Chicago
↑ Majiffy wrote:↑ Nachomamma8 wrote:The Majiffy wagon is really, really stupid.
You know, I feel like I say this every time people vote for me. Probably because it's true.
i hate sheeping you
Vote: kmd
argtgjifrgireurgfiuehtgfiug it feels so bad"Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
-- Fate, Vanilla Townie, was brutally stabbed by a throwing sword in endgame.- Nachomamma8
-
Nachomamma8 Devil in the Details
- Nachomamma8
- Devil in the Details
- Devil in the Details
- Posts: 38382
- Joined: June 5, 2009
- Location: Chicago
↑ borkjerfkin wrote:↑ Nachomamma8 wrote:The Majiffy wagon is really, really stupid.
Also not convinced with NS. If he was trying to defend his buddy, I really don't think he'd try to lynch me, of all people. No one (except for bork, but bork is crazy) was talking about the scumread on me, so it wasn't exactly opportunistic. And he didn't vote Fizz, which would have been a hell of a lot more telling to me. So yeah, calling him town.
Don't really like Lastsurvivor right now, and might sheep Majiffy onto kmd. Might.
I think this is about the nicest way I've heard someone calling me an idiot. I do appreciate that.
What's wrong with LS?
he pushed fizz for the longest fucking time and then majiffy tells him to put Fe at L-1 and he'll look at Fizz tomorrow, and he's like "ok that sounds like a perfectly reasonable plan" and now he's sheeping votes onto majiffy. it's stupid and scummy and scum.
↑ pirate mollie wrote:insinuating that fe go from a town read to a scum read with me provoking him is essentially saying that fe is capable of smart scum play so tell do you know something that I don't.
weak scum don't make big moves with scumpartners
they slot them in town or null slots or slightly scummy slots, and they don't interact often
they are scared to change them because people will question them and then people will attack them, and that is scary
and the entire case on majiffy is that you scared him into calling majiffy scum? nah. you scared him enough for him to do something new. you didn't scare him enough to bus.
↑ pirate mollie wrote:and I do not get as to why you think NS is town for trying to get you lynched you will have to unpack that for me if you can be bothered.
i can be bothered but i don't know what more you want"Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
-- Fate, Vanilla Townie, was brutally stabbed by a throwing sword in endgame.- Nachomamma8
-
Nachomamma8 Devil in the Details
- Nachomamma8
- Devil in the Details
- Devil in the Details
- Posts: 38382
- Joined: June 5, 2009
- Location: Chicago
↑ the director wrote:Seems like a panic move, even more so considering he was so hesitant to post yesterday but immediately came back to the thread to drop Majiffy after pirate made her remarks.
i think plenty seemed like a panic move
i don't think Fe would realize "hi, I'm going down, better try distancing my scumpartners while going down!"
i think Fe probably put majiffy in the wrong place, got called out on it, and instead of admitting a mistake, defended with bullshit
that seems more like scum fe to me"Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
-- Fate, Vanilla Townie, was brutally stabbed by a throwing sword in endgame.- Nachomamma8
-
Nachomamma8 Devil in the Details
- Nachomamma8
- Devil in the Details
- Devil in the Details
- Posts: 38382
- Joined: June 5, 2009
- Location: Chicago
↑ pirate mollie wrote:I never underestimate how players can make such dumb mistakes it is usually town that does this but I have seen scum make some doozies like vote for dead players and shit. I have also seen newb scum do exactly what I am theorizing that fe did not once but twice. his read on majiffy looked like pure panic and again what was he panicking over if majiffy was not on his team.
over getting himself lynched and lurking too much?
what do you think that wall was? a panic wall.
and the interactions with majiffy are just... no. they aren't scumpartners responding to each other. it is fe trying to convince someone that he thinks is the town leader that he is scum. i mean, look in contrast to his interactions with kmd. he sees kmd defending him, he defends kmd back for "going against the grain" and it is the only read he puts effort into actually explaining. meanwhile, majiffy interactions are mostly fe responding to 'jiffy, and they are pretty much the exact same as his interactions with you when he questions you. when kmd questions him, he gives a short answer because he's like "oh it's my scumpartner no need to convince him and i don't want to get caught with this"/
i also don't like cases based solely on interactions, and i see nothing else from 'jiffy that makes him scum
nothing else at all"Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
-- Fate, Vanilla Townie, was brutally stabbed by a throwing sword in endgame.- Nachomamma8
-
Nachomamma8 Devil in the Details
- Nachomamma8
- Devil in the Details
- Devil in the Details
- Posts: 38382
- Joined: June 5, 2009
- Location: Chicago
this is blargh
i would really like to see kmd effort-posting though"Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
-- Fate, Vanilla Townie, was brutally stabbed by a throwing sword in endgame.- Nachomamma8
-
Nachomamma8 Devil in the Details
- Nachomamma8
- Devil in the Details
- Devil in the Details
- Posts: 38382
- Joined: June 5, 2009
- Location: Chicago
Unvote, Vote: Lastsurvivor
I want you to sheep me until you catch up. I want you to catch up before the 15th of December. Can you do that?"Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
-- Fate, Vanilla Townie, was brutally stabbed by a throwing sword in endgame.- Nachomamma8
-
Nachomamma8 Devil in the Details
- Nachomamma8
- Devil in the Details
- Devil in the Details
- Posts: 38382
- Joined: June 5, 2009
- Location: Chicago
aaaaa
AAAAAAAA
Unvote, Vote: Maenara"Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
-- Fate, Vanilla Townie, was brutally stabbed by a throwing sword in endgame.- Nachomamma8
-
Nachomamma8 Devil in the Details
- Nachomamma8
- Devil in the Details
- Devil in the Details
- Posts: 38382
- Joined: June 5, 2009
- Location: Chicago
- Nachomamma8
-
Nachomamma8 Devil in the Details
- Nachomamma8
- Devil in the Details
- Devil in the Details
- Posts: 38382
- Joined: June 5, 2009
- Location: Chicago
↑ pirate mollie wrote:guys I seriously wanted to test my theory out and was willing to backpedal on a town read of kmd. can we not even try?
we can when maenara is dead
and then we can lynch ls"Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
-- Fate, Vanilla Townie, was brutally stabbed by a throwing sword in endgame.- Nachomamma8
-
Nachomamma8 Devil in the Details
- Nachomamma8
- Devil in the Details
- Devil in the Details
- Posts: 38382
- Joined: June 5, 2009
- Location: Chicago
↑ pirate mollie wrote:↑ Nachomamma8 wrote:↑ pirate mollie wrote:guys I seriously wanted to test my theory out and was willing to backpedal on a town read of kmd. can we not even try?
we can when maenara is dead
and then we can lynch ls
nono
nonono
if maenara flips town (and I won't be voting her btw) then we should test my theory on kmd and ns. you cannot even provide a good defense can you except for ns (and that wasn't so good).
if maenara flips scum, can you stop this?
and yes i could, but i probably won't until he catches up and makes an effort post."Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
-- Fate, Vanilla Townie, was brutally stabbed by a throwing sword in endgame.- Nachomamma8
-
Nachomamma8 Devil in the Details
- Nachomamma8
- Devil in the Details
- Devil in the Details
- Posts: 38382
- Joined: June 5, 2009
- Location: Chicago
↑ the director wrote:If he is the town leader, why wasn't he murdered last night?
Because scum were banking on a kmd mislynch?
I don't know, I don't really subscribe to bullshit WIFOM reasoning such as this. Do you think he is scum?
↑ penguin_alien wrote:While Kmd4390's posts track on a point-by-point basis, I get the sense there's some confirmation bias going on there. Especially WRT finding things near the end, like pirate mollie's jumping to Fe, that contradict Kmd4390's old reads but are ignored or hand-waved aside.
Do you think this confirmation bias is coming from a town perspective or a scum one?"Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
-- Fate, Vanilla Townie, was brutally stabbed by a throwing sword in endgame.- Nachomamma8
-
Nachomamma8 Devil in the Details
- Nachomamma8
- Devil in the Details
- Devil in the Details
- Posts: 38382
- Joined: June 5, 2009
- Location: Chicago
↑ pirate mollie wrote:what would this have to do with a nk choice?
You can leave town leaders alive if they are leading the town off a cliff."Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
-- Fate, Vanilla Townie, was brutally stabbed by a throwing sword in endgame.- Nachomamma8
-
Nachomamma8 Devil in the Details
- Nachomamma8
- Devil in the Details
- Devil in the Details
- Posts: 38382
- Joined: June 5, 2009
- Location: Chicago
↑ pirate mollie wrote:↑ Nachomamma8 wrote:↑ pirate mollie wrote:what would this have to do with a nk choice?
You can leave town leaders alive if they are leading the town off a cliff.
but majiffy caught scum on d1 and today you are sheeping him so
catching d1 doesn't mean you're going to catch scum d2.
i've had a game where i executed scum d1 then was kept alive to lead the rest of the town to fucktard land.
the director is hilariously town, living in his conspiracy world"Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
-- Fate, Vanilla Townie, was brutally stabbed by a throwing sword in endgame.- Nachomamma8
-
Nachomamma8 Devil in the Details
- Nachomamma8
- Devil in the Details
- Devil in the Details
- Posts: 38382
- Joined: June 5, 2009
- Location: Chicago
fuck you all, walling
↑ Nobody Special wrote:
Don't even try being an amateur Grammar Nazi when you're around a Professional Grammar Nazi such as myself.
The bolded should begin "I have seen so many of them..." or perhaps "I have simply seen so much of this type of thing...".
The repetition of the word 'stuff' (in the previous sentence) is more of a style issue rather than grammar, so I won't mention that.
Seriously, play the game and stop wasting time on shit like this.
Most times when I play a game with Nobody Special, I can't read him and just lynch him when I have no more scum suspects. Other times, I'm able to read him when he makes a single post. This game is one of those one post read games, and he's town.
↑ Declan_giggs wrote:I haven't seen Fizz before, so his reactions could be any sort of newb tell, I'll grant that it could be scummy. I can't decide if he missed that I threw a second vote on Breakfast way back, didn't fall for the bait and didn't jump on a counter wagon, or is scared to vote anywhere because he might look even more scummy.
Aether is just there to cost whichever side he is on a lynch somewhere along the way. I'm not getting sucked in. I also think its foolish to think that reading the role descriptions is scummy. I just completed a game where the mod screwed up one of the role PMs and we had to live with the way it was written for that game, even tho its not how the role is typically used. The guy who caught the error was the town doc, and it was not his role that was messed up.
So all of this analysis is pretty much nothing and I don't like it. The two main focuses of this post are Fizz and Aether, and yet the closest he gets to calling one of them scum or town is... nothing. Not close at all.
↑ Lastsurvivor wrote:Nothing substantial, however some random questions to the lurkers (who you guys are totally letting off the hook, FYI).
So lastsurvivor replaces in, immediately goes lurker hunting. Which is fine and all, especially since he ends up calling Fe the likeliest scum out of all the lurkers! And since he thinks that the town is letting lurkers off the hook, it only makes sense for him to put a vote on Fe in this post!
↑ Lastsurvivor wrote:Tomorrow afternoon you can expect a vote and a list from me hopefully.
...but he doesn't vote Fe at all. He doesn't give reasons why Fe is the most likely scum out of all of the lurkers. He just throws it out there and leaves it at that, which seems an awful lot like distancing to me.
↑ Lastsurvivor wrote:VOTE: Fizz
Best place for my vote now. Rationale is pretty much what other people have been saying. End of post #44 doesn't seem like it's been posted from a town perspective, and he really hasn't addressed that point.
WAIT WAIT
WHERE DID THE FE SCUMREAD GO
it disappeared like magic!
↑ Number Six wrote:Okaaay, so you're encoding "kiss from a rose" in your posts. The question is still -- Why?
↑ Malakittens wrote:I'm active lurking??..
Yes you are.
this is just one reaction, but I oddly enough liked most of the reactions people had to Majiffy encoding seal into his posts.
i found the paranoia pretty town, people attacking it pretty town, and people who questioned it still, pretty town..
getting a strong as fuck townread from UCT, but i never trust any reads i make on him
uct, am i right?
↑ Lastsurvivor wrote:Uct I asked you a question can you answer it please thanks
the director I also asked you a question. I'm not sure if you've answered it or not. Also that point about Uct was a joke right?
Wow, LS is pretty good at following up on people when he asks them questions.
Unless it's Fe, of course.
↑ Lastsurvivor wrote:While Fe is pretty scummy, post #317 was not scummy at all. I don't understand the reactions to it. Uct, Fizz, The Director, please explain (also the chances of at least one of you being scum is quite high due to that chain of reactions, and I don't think it's uct).
He says Fe is scummy, but continues to defend him anyways.
GET THE FUCK OUT
↑ Fe wrote:Im pretty sure Im not completely retarded and I wasn't intentionally blurring the lines which makes it seems more like your are intentionally restricitng the options to make my seem worse than I am. That isn't necessarily a scummy thing to do, I have done a little digging into his meta and come to the conclusion that this my just be a play style thing, but i oculd be something more.
when people are offended by majiffy like this, they usually aren't his scumpartners
they are usually just afraid to call him scumfuck you all, walling
↑ Nobody Special wrote:
Don't even try being an amateur Grammar Nazi when you're around a Professional Grammar Nazi such as myself.
The bolded should begin "I have seen so many of them..." or perhaps "I have simply seen so much of this type of thing...".
The repetition of the word 'stuff' (in the previous sentence) is more of a style issue rather than grammar, so I won't mention that.
Seriously, play the game and stop wasting time on shit like this.
Most times when I play a game with Nobody Special, I can't read him and just lynch him when I have no more scum suspects. Other times, I'm able to read him when he makes a single post. This game is one of those one post read games, and he's town.
↑ Declan_giggs wrote:I haven't seen Fizz before, so his reactions could be any sort of newb tell, I'll grant that it could be scummy. I can't decide if he missed that I threw a second vote on Breakfast way back, didn't fall for the bait and didn't jump on a counter wagon, or is scared to vote anywhere because he might look even more scummy.
Aether is just there to cost whichever side he is on a lynch somewhere along the way. I'm not getting sucked in. I also think its foolish to think that reading the role descriptions is scummy. I just completed a game where the mod screwed up one of the role PMs and we had to live with the way it was written for that game, even tho its not how the role is typically used. The guy who caught the error was the town doc, and it was not his role that was messed up.
So all of this analysis is pretty much nothing and I don't like it. The two main focuses of this post are Fizz and Aether, and yet the closest he gets to calling one of them scum or town is... nothing. Not close at all.
↑ Lastsurvivor wrote:Nothing substantial, however some random questions to the lurkers (who you guys are totally letting off the hook, FYI).
So lastsurvivor replaces in, immediately goes lurker hunting. Which is fine and all, especially since he ends up calling Fe the likeliest scum out of all the lurkers! And since he thinks that the town is letting lurkers off the hook, it only makes sense for him to put a vote on Fe in this post!
↑ Lastsurvivor wrote:Tomorrow afternoon you can expect a vote and a list from me hopefully.
...but he doesn't vote Fe at all. He doesn't give reasons why Fe is the most likely scum out of all of the lurkers. He just throws it out there and leaves it at that, which seems an awful lot like distancing to me.
↑ Lastsurvivor wrote:VOTE: Fizz
Best place for my vote now. Rationale is pretty much what other people have been saying. End of post #44 doesn't seem like it's been posted from a town perspective, and he really hasn't addressed that point.
WAIT WAIT
WHERE DID THE FE SCUMREAD GO
it disappeared like magic!
↑ Number Six wrote:Okaaay, so you're encoding "kiss from a rose" in your posts. The question is still -- Why?
↑ Malakittens wrote:I'm active lurking??..
Yes you are.
this is just one reaction, but I oddly enough liked most of the reactions people had to Majiffy encoding seal into his posts.
i found the paranoia pretty town, people attacking it pretty town, and people who questioned it still, pretty town..
getting a strong as fuck townread from UCT, but i never trust any reads i make on him
uct, am i right?
↑ Lastsurvivor wrote:Uct I asked you a question can you answer it please thanks
the director I also asked you a question. I'm not sure if you've answered it or not. Also that point about Uct was a joke right?
Wow, LS is pretty good at following up on people when he asks them questions.
Unless it's Fe, of course.
↑ Lastsurvivor wrote:While Fe is pretty scummy, post #317 was not scummy at all. I don't understand the reactions to it. Uct, Fizz, The Director, please explain (also the chances of at least one of you being scum is quite high due to that chain of reactions, and I don't think it's uct).
He says Fe is scummy, but continues to defend him anyways.
GET THE FUCK OUT
↑ Fe wrote:Im pretty sure Im not completely retarded and I wasn't intentionally blurring the lines which makes it seems more like your are intentionally restricitng the options to make my seem worse than I am. That isn't necessarily a scummy thing to do, I have done a little digging into his meta and come to the conclusion that this my just be a play style thing, but i oculd be something more.
when people are offended by majiffy like this, they usually aren't his scumpartners
they are usually just afraid to call him scum
↑ Lastsurvivor wrote:↑ the director wrote:I'm becoming more and more convinced that Fe is just too scared to post and is trying to keep his head down long enough for Fizz or someone else to become the flavor of the moment.
I'm feeling the same way about Fizz really.
you ever get a feeling that a case is writing itself? because that's what I'm feeling right now.
"oh, you think Fe is scum for a reason? I feel exactly the same way about Fizz!"
↑ pirate mollie wrote:well then you are objectively the most scummiest looking players in the game. I have no meta with you wrt your scum game but fuck it you just look wrong.
VOTE: fizz
I liked this exchange between mollie/majiffy.
She trusts him at first, gets paranoid, backs down.
↑ Lastsurvivor wrote:Considering switching my vote but I really don't wanna let Fizz off the hook. <_<
read: "considering bussing but I don't want to"
↑ Lastsurvivor wrote:
Huh. Alright.
UNVOTE:
VOTE: Fe
THIS IS L-1
------
Uct, by the logic of #437, when someone dies in a game, they can't link to it because they died before its completion?
"well, I don't want to hammer, but I don't want to not bus, so I guess I'm stuck doing this"
↑ Lastsurvivor wrote:↑ the director wrote:Here is what I think happened. Fe knew he was going down so Fe tried to help out his scum buddy Majiffy by calling him town leader. When pirate called him out on that, Fe quickly scrambled and plummeted Majiffy to scum with very weak reasoning ... something along the lines of "I read the game again and decided Majiffy is scum". Majiffy then responded by saying Fe claimed scum in an obvious distancing and hard bus.
Excellent point on Maj.
VOTE: Majiffy
Although Mollie's inclusion in the narrative isn't alignment indicative.
Director seems town now that he's not antagonizing people. NS I don't see the case on, for reasons I'll keep to myself until he responds I guess.
and now LS is completely ignoring Fizz?
why?
so yeah
Unvote, Vote: LastSurvivor"Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
-- Fate, Vanilla Townie, was brutally stabbed by a throwing sword in endgame.- Nachomamma8
-
Nachomamma8 Devil in the Details
- Nachomamma8
- Devil in the Details
- Devil in the Details
- Posts: 38382
- Joined: June 5, 2009
- Location: Chicago
man that sounds pretty shitty dude
sorry to hear that"Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
-- Fate, Vanilla Townie, was brutally stabbed by a throwing sword in endgame.- Nachomamma8
-
Nachomamma8 Devil in the Details
- Nachomamma8
- Devil in the Details
- Devil in the Details
- Posts: 38382
- Joined: June 5, 2009
- Location: Chicago
↑ Lastsurvivor wrote:As your scum buddy Maj says....I have multiple scum reads but am limited by one vote. I'm pretty sure I've explained before that I found Fizz scummier than Fe, but if I haven't I just said it.
just because one is stronger than the other doesn't mean the other one
DISAPPEARS
↑ Lastsurvivor wrote:LS never asked Fe a question at that point. And when he did ask Fe a question he followed up on it. So this accusation makes no sense.
whoops
i thought that you asked him a question in #206, but you specifically didn't
whee
↑ Lastsurvivor wrote:Nacho how do you feel about your flip flop on Fe that I discussed in my case that you eloquently ignored?
?
why would you ask me for my opinion on something that I DID?"Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
-- Fate, Vanilla Townie, was brutally stabbed by a throwing sword in endgame.- Nachomamma8
-
Nachomamma8 Devil in the Details
- Nachomamma8
- Devil in the Details
- Devil in the Details
- Posts: 38382
- Joined: June 5, 2009
- Location: Chicago
↑ Lastsurvivor wrote:Not really. You're pushing two contradictory ideas here.
1) Maenara is your highest scum read. This, obviously, means you think Maenara is a part of the scum team. Since you said I will flip scum, that must mean I'm your second highest scum read, and therefore part of the scum team. Which means that, in your mind, the scum team is Maenara/LS.
2) You considered that I was bussing Nacho. Which means that you think Nacho could be part of the scum team. Which means that you were considering a Nacho/LS scum team.
To reiterate: I have no idea why you would consider an LS/Nacho scum team if Maenara is your highest scum read.
could you point out why you thought that Fe was scum with Fizz?
and then explain one more time why you stopped pushing fizz today?"Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
-- Fate, Vanilla Townie, was brutally stabbed by a throwing sword in endgame.- Nachomamma8
-
Nachomamma8 Devil in the Details
- Nachomamma8
- Devil in the Details
- Devil in the Details
- Posts: 38382
- Joined: June 5, 2009
- Location: Chicago
↑ Lastsurvivor wrote:Where in there do I indicate or imply that my Fe read is gone? In that post I don't suddenly come up with three scum reads that don't include Fe...
That was your #236 (ISO #2). The next time you bring up Fe, it's in #349 (ISO #10), and the post is "While Fe is pretty scummy, post #317 was not scummy at all." You called him the scummiest lurker, and then he completely disappears from your followup and you start ignoring him until people start giving him shit, and your first response is TO DEFEND HIM. How is that an occurrence of a scumread disappearing?
↑ Lastsurvivor wrote:Nacho why did you go from defending Fe like your life depended on it to being ok with his lynch?
I thought Majiffy was pushing an idiotic mislynch like he always does, argued with him, kept looking him over, changed my mind.
↑ Lastsurvivor wrote:And I've answered that second question like twice, but Buldermar's (Fizz's replacement) content was fine. At least I thought it was. After reading his ISO I said here that his posts were scummy.
okay why did you stop pushing his lynch today?
you weren't like "vote: Fizz, oh nevermind buldermar's doing fine"
you came in, voted majiffy, voted maenara
no buldermar/fizz mentions"Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
-- Fate, Vanilla Townie, was brutally stabbed by a throwing sword in endgame.- Nachomamma8
-
Nachomamma8 Devil in the Details
- Nachomamma8
- Devil in the Details
- Devil in the Details
- Posts: 38382
- Joined: June 5, 2009
- Location: Chicago
↑ Lastsurvivor wrote:Look at Fe's ISO. He makes no real posts in between #236 and #317. Fe didn't post...therefore I had nothing to comment on. The read didn't disappear.
He didn't make any "real posts" for the majority of the game. But when he showed up again, it was just more of the same crap. I'd expect that to reinforce your scumread or affect it in some way, but again, you ignored it until other people called it scummy.
↑ Lastsurvivor wrote:if I see something scummy I'm going to comment on it even if it means questioning the people that are on the same wagon as me. Take it or leave it.
ok
↑ Lastsurvivor wrote:I have a very hard time buying that Majiffy convinced you to "change your mind" by just reiterating things that he already said. If you thought Maj was pushing an idiotic mislynch, wouldn't you have already read those points? If you thought Fe was town, like you repeatedly asserted, wouldn't you have read Fe's posts that Maj quoted? What caused you to think differently about them?
Majiffy never specifically changed my mind, but he encouraged me to keep looking over Fe's posts. Originally I had him read as the type of player who would probably be too nervous to pull something like #361 as scum and it seemed like a pretty honest effort, but then I looked over 1298 and I saw how completely different his play was there, and I was pretty okay with hammering.
↑ Lastsurvivor wrote:Keep in mind that when I voted Majiffy, Buldermar hadn't made his first post yet. And I wasn't going to vote Buldermar without him making a post.
You weren't even going to mention buldermar without him making a post? And then we he did and you found it townish (why did you find it townish?), you weren't going to bring him up then either?"Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
-- Fate, Vanilla Townie, was brutally stabbed by a throwing sword in endgame.- Nachomamma8
-
Nachomamma8 Devil in the Details
- Nachomamma8
- Devil in the Details
- Devil in the Details
- Posts: 38382
- Joined: June 5, 2009
- Location: Chicago
Him defending Fizz initially and then having paranoid leanings while Fizz was flaking seems like a subtlety UCT wouldn't bother faking as scum."Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
-- Fate, Vanilla Townie, was brutally stabbed by a throwing sword in endgame.- Nachomamma8
-
Nachomamma8 Devil in the Details
- Nachomamma8
- Devil in the Details
- Devil in the Details
- Posts: 38382
- Joined: June 5, 2009
- Location: Chicago
He hopped onto the initial fizz case, but backed off it later and started defending him."Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
-- Fate, Vanilla Townie, was brutally stabbed by a throwing sword in endgame.- Nachomamma8
-
Nachomamma8 Devil in the Details
- Nachomamma8
- Devil in the Details
- Devil in the Details
- Posts: 38382
- Joined: June 5, 2009
- Location: Chicago
- Nachomamma8
-
Nachomamma8 Devil in the Details
- Nachomamma8
- Devil in the Details
- Devil in the Details
- Posts: 38382
- Joined: June 5, 2009
- Location: Chicago
↑ Lastsurvivor wrote:If you say so. Why didn't you bring any of that stuff about looking over his other games before?
Why would I? I was hammering him, it wasn't like I had to make a case or anything."Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
-- Fate, Vanilla Townie, was brutally stabbed by a throwing sword in endgame.- Nachomamma8
-
Nachomamma8 Devil in the Details
- Nachomamma8
- Devil in the Details
- Devil in the Details
- Posts: 38382
- Joined: June 5, 2009
- Location: Chicago
The entire process looks town to me. The initial suspicion to sort of a revelation that "hey, this guy is playing how I used to" to a bit of paranoid leanings after he's already defended him. I think scumUCT would end up pushing to mislynch him or white knighting him; don't think he would pull something like what he's ended up with as scum.
LS, I haven't taken your suspicion very seriously until recently. So my responses have been more dismissive than actually trying to assuage your suspicions. But now I'm seeing you town as a possibility, so I'm being a bit more cooperative."Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
-- Fate, Vanilla Townie, was brutally stabbed by a throwing sword in endgame.- Nachomamma8
-
Nachomamma8 Devil in the Details
- Nachomamma8
- Devil in the Details
- Devil in the Details
- Posts: 38382
- Joined: June 5, 2009
- Location: Chicago
- Nachomamma8
-
Nachomamma8 Devil in the Details
- Nachomamma8
- Devil in the Details
- Devil in the Details
- Posts: 38382
- Joined: June 5, 2009
- Location: Chicago
- Nachomamma8
-
Nachomamma8 Devil in the Details
- Nachomamma8
- Devil in the Details
- Devil in the Details
- Posts: 38382
- Joined: June 5, 2009
- Location: Chicago
- Nachomamma8
-
Nachomamma8 Devil in the Details
- Nachomamma8
- Devil in the Details
- Devil in the Details
- Posts: 38382
- Joined: June 5, 2009
- Location: Chicago
i have townreads on kmd, ns, mollie, buldermar, bork, and uct.
leaving maenara, penguin, and majiffy.
can we just lynch maenara?
because kmd is stupidly town and i don't want to lynch him because that would be stupid.
and fuck that wall of crud shit, and the recent shit is bullshit.
just let her die. let her die now.
Vote: Maenara"Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
-- Fate, Vanilla Townie, was brutally stabbed by a throwing sword in endgame.- Nachomamma8
-
Nachomamma8 Devil in the Details
- Nachomamma8
- Devil in the Details
- Devil in the Details
- Posts: 38382
- Joined: June 5, 2009
- Location: Chicago
- Nachomamma8
-
Nachomamma8 Devil in the Details
- Nachomamma8
- Devil in the Details
- Devil in the Details
- Posts: 38382
- Joined: June 5, 2009
- Location: Chicago
- Nachomamma8
-
Nachomamma8 Devil in the Details
- Nachomamma8
- Devil in the Details
- Devil in the Details
- Posts: 38382
- Joined: June 5, 2009
- Location: Chicago
- Nachomamma8
-
Nachomamma8 Devil in the Details
- Nachomamma8
- Nachomamma8
- Nachomamma8
- Nachomamma8
- Nachomamma8
- Nachomamma8
- Nachomamma8
- Nachomamma8
- Nachomamma8
- Nachomamma8
- Nachomamma8
- Nachomamma8
- Nachomamma8
- Nachomamma8
- Nachomamma8
- Nachomamma8
- Nachomamma8
- Nachomamma8
- Nachomamma8
- Nachomamma8
- Nachomamma8
- Nachomamma8
- Nachomamma8
- Nachomamma8
- Nachomamma8
- Nachomamma8
- Nachomamma8
- Nachomamma8
- Nachomamma8
- Nachomamma8
- Nachomamma8
- Nachomamma8
- Nachomamma8
- Nachomamma8
- Nachomamma8
- Nachomamma8
- Nachomamma8
- Nachomamma8
- Nachomamma8
- Nachomamma8
- Nachomamma8
- Nachomamma8
- Nachomamma8
- Nachomamma8
- Nachomamma8
- Nachomamma8
- Nachomamma8
- Nachomamma8
- Nachomamma8
- Nachomamma8
- Nachomamma8
- Nachomamma8
- Nachomamma8
- Nachomamma8
- Nachomamma8
- Nachomamma8
- Nachomamma8
- Nachomamma8
- Nachomamma8
- Nachomamma8
- Nachomamma8