Open 459: There is a New Scum in Town. Game Over Town Wins!

[Majiffy]

[Majiffy]

Well, I know who I'm pushing for D1.

[Majiffy]

VOTE: Aether
Town has no reason to look at/compare the VT and Goon PMs. Scum Goon does.

[Majiffy]

You roll scum again Majiffy?

Nope. You can sheep me care-free this time.

VOTE: Aether
Town has no reason to look at/compare the VT and Goon PMs. Scum Goon does.

It is called being a

Grammar Nazi

, if you know what I mean.

Still doesn't address the reason that town has no reason while scum does. But cute hand-wave.

[Majiffy]

Noooo I like Mollie

Vote KMD or Aether, folks.

[Majiffy]

what is your case on those 2

Aether shows scum motivation in regards to comparing VT and Scum role PMs.
KMD's attack on Fizz reads like opportunistic scum.

[Majiffy]

And you read like scum. Fun stuff.

I find your lack of a vote disturbing.

[Majiffy]

You're not too good at this, are you?

[Majiffy]

Going with a Fizz/Majif/Pirate team right now.

Kittens can apparently post in her other game but not this one. This really is too easy.

How many more people are you going to call scum?

[Majiffy]

... You're completely missing the point, Aether.

[Majiffy]

Aether shows scum motivation in regards to comparing VT and Scum role PMs.
KMD's attack on Fizz reads like opportunistic scum.

1) What? Why?
2) Yes. I agree.

No motivation for town to compare role PMs. Motivation for scum in the event of having to fake-claim.

Also here's where you missed the point;

GRAMMAR NAZI: A person who overreacts to grammatical mistakes.
Why would scum do that? Think about it.

And in the future, try to put all your posts into one post, yeah? We don't need 4 Aether posts back-to-back every time you come online.

[Majiffy]

1) That is a grammatical comparison. I made it because I simply hate grammatical mistakes in descriptions and stuff.
2) Yeah. I will try that.

I gather it's a grammatical comparison. But you're still missing the point; you wouldn't have noticed that as a townie because you would have had no reason to have compared them. Why do you keep avoiding the real issue?

[Majiffy]

I think it's stupid because I've seen town play the way Fizz is playing.

[Majiffy]

Unless someone's case was that it was his scum meta tell, you're making up bullshit arguments.

[Majiffy]

So what is the "real issue"?

The "real issue" is the same thing you've been avoiding in every damn post since I've voted you; there was no town motivation for you to have looked at both the VT and Scum Goon role PMs to have caught any grammar issues. There is, however, scum motivation for having looked at both of those. The grammar isn't the issue, it's the sequence of events leading up to it.

VOTE: Aether
Still dodging the question. Why are you reading the role PMs in the first place?

Oh good, someone with eyeballs.

If you are going to push opportunism, you are going to have to show how it is different than your own vote.

You're voting Fizz for things that you've

seen scum do

(regardless of the fact that town does it as well)
I'm voting Aether for a

lack of town motivation

in what he's done.

Yours is a shallow attempt at scumhunting. Mine delves into the actual issue at hand.

Bork

- All in good time. Join me on the Aether wagon, it's got comfy seats.

[Majiffy]

Majiffy: 40% town. Can you please get to the point, like

please

?

Once.
Twice.
Three times a lady!

...And a forth.
Fifth.
And SIXTH fucking time.

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Seriously, if you aren't Aether, you post after this, and you aren't voting Aether, you're fucking scumclaiming.

[Majiffy]

Oh yeah there's this too.

I have the foreboding feeling that everyone has gone crazy, or that everyone who is voting me is scum. When I say that I have to wait four days just for night to be over, I meant four real-time days doing absolutely nothing. If you feel like putting me at L-1, I may self-hammer, which may expose you as scum. So think twice before you do it.

Also, I

am

a very volatile townie. In fact, I am a very volatile person.

If anyone was waiting for a better reason to lynch the shit out of something, here you go.

Wait. Town does it? When? Really, the wiki says that OMGUSing is plain scummy.

Also, ask me all your questions now. I have a short attention span.

Go on.

DID YOU SERIOUSLY JUST DODGE THE QUESTION AGAIN?

God damn if only dayvigs actually existed.

[Majiffy]

I've had it up to my dick with this kid's stupidity.

[Majiffy]

If he is town, he's probably more detrimental to town than scum at this point.

[Majiffy]

He has dodged a question 6 times. A really, really obviously stated question. Where the fuck have you ever seen town do that?

[Majiffy]

Obviously.

Now are you going to be helpful and vote Aether or are you claiming scum?

[Majiffy]

Sure thing, scum2.

[Majiffy]

I can't deal with this fucking moron anymore.

Requesting replacement

Kid is seriously below the threshold of retard on the IQ bell curve.

[Majiffy]

If Majiffy wants back in now that Aether is out I'll let him back in. Just throwing that potential option out there.

's up to Rach. I wouldn't mind playing now that he's gone.

[Majiffy]

Hi. Thanks Rach.

Going to wait and see what Aether's replacement is like a bit more before I put the vote back on the slot.

[Majiffy]

Kmd is still scum, so I guess that's cool.

Do we have Kmd-wagon-support? If so I reckon we should get that going. Fizz wagon is fucktarded.

[Majiffy]

No. What you call a scumslip is definitely not even possibly a scumslip. This is you (collectively, the wagoneers) bathing in confirmation bias.

[Majiffy]

And I'm not talking subtle bathing, I'm talking little rubber duckie Ernie from Sesame Street splish splash bathing.

[Majiffy]

If it's confirmation bias, how am I scum?

No. What you call a scumslip is definitely not even possibly a scumslip. This is you

(collectively, the wagoneers)

bathing in confirmation bias.

[Majiffy]

T

here

u

sed

t

o

b

e

a

standard to reaction testing that involved outting what you were looking for. Now it's all

g

raying with people not wanting it to lose its effectiveness later on. I personally think it's stupid and a little scummy to let an obvious reaction test's results

t

ower over a game wherein you can just leave it

a

lone and claim it whenever you want later

o

n down

t

he road. Or

s

ea. Whatever floats your boat.

[Majiffy]

Is that some sort of coded message there, with the italics?
There used to be a greying tower alone on the sea.
Very poetic

Y

ou will figure it out soon enough.

I can't read Majiffy either; I disagree with pretty much everything he's said this game and that's rare. #221 is ?

Dunno what to say, mang. Maybe I

b

ecame retarded when this game started. I'm sure I'll see

t

he

l

ight soon enough.

majiffy, if you wanted aether policy lynched why did you not just say so instead of creating some bogus case on him?

Case

o

n him wasn't bogus. I still find

t

he whole situation scummy, and his reaction by deliberately ignoring incredibly clear questions even scummier.

re: policy lynches. I don't want to spend too much time on this and derail the game but on very rare special occasions do I agree with them. majiffy doesn't go around willy nilly policy lynching without good reason. I would have supported him even though he didn't do shit to help me with jerome on another site.

that he instead tried to paint aether as scummy rather than just go with a policy lynch kind of looks scummy to me.

I wasn't around during most of that day phase so how could I have helped you?

Also you're still in the

d

ark on my posts here. Try re-reading carefully and see my

s

ide. Be a little more understanding

o

f

m

e.

Also, Lastsurvivor is a good lynch too.

[Majiffy]

See, I have the opposite reaction to Majiffy's funny business in italics. I don't like it, not one little bit.

Don't like it,

l

ove it! Why have you

r

emained under the radar in regards to the actual happenings in the game, btw? Seems like you just pop in, change

a

vote, pop out and wait until you can change it again.

Well, he pretty much HAS to explain it at some point or be lynched, so we'll wait for that to happen.

You'll have to

d

rug me to get it out of me!

T

hat's

t

he only way! Gunna have to get me

h

igh

a

nd shit.

N

ot really.

T

he reason for all of this will be apparent in about two posts. Take a chill

p

ill.

[Majiffy]

lol, kiss

k

iss majiffy I see what you are doing but I am not understanding the reason as to WHY you are doing it. I really can't determine the motivations

o

f you posts at this point. you kind of look like

a

nutter even though I tend to see you through

r

ose-coloured glasses.

I wasn't aware you wore glasses.

B

ut

d

id

y

ou

k

now

t

hat I do?

Okaaay, so you're encoding "kiss from a rose" in your posts. The question is still -- Why?

W

hen the time comes, you'll get

i

t. Also,

s

nows.

I can't say for sure how he would play as town. This is my first game with him.

He said

a

newbie town. But nice job rephrasing the question so you can avoid answering it, scum.

M

y

e

yes have

b

ecome adjusted to your ways.

Think of the

l

arge picture here, people.

A

nd

t

he

l

ight that

y

ou know I

s

hine on scum

c

an

b

e

s

een.

[Majiffy]

T

here

u

sed

t

o

b

e

a

g

raying

t

ower

a

lone

o

n

t

he

s

ea.

Y

ou

b

ecame

t

he

l

ight

o

n

t

he

d

ark

s

ide

o

f

m

e.

l

ove

r

emained

a

d

rug

T

hat's

t

he

h

igh

a

nd

N

ot

T

he

p

ill.

B

ut

d

id

y

ou

k

now

t

hat

W

hen

i

t

s

nows

M

y

e

yes

b

ecome

l

arge

A

nd

t

he

l

ight

t

hat

y

ou

s

hine

c

an

b

e

s

een.

BAYBAAAAY!

I compare you to a kiss from a rose on the gray!

OOOOOOOH!

The more I get of you,
The stranger it feels, yeah!
And now that your rose is in bloom,
A light hits the gloom on the gray.

[Majiffy]

Ok back to normal posting.

VOTE: KMD
Scum is still scum.

[Majiffy]

Also that was much more awkward and hard to do than I expected.

[Majiffy]

Majiffy, not every newbie plays the same.

So what was the italics thing?

I was trying to sneak the first verse of Kiss From A Rose into my posts so I could break out into sing-song for the chorus. It was more awkward than I expected

And I realize that, but you still dodged the nature of the question. Please go back and address it.

By the way I found this freaking hilarious: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ . I'm laughing my ass off.

My song was better. Also Breakfast's RVS post isn't meriting of a vote. And that UTC point is just god awful no matter how you look at it.

Follow the flow-chart brosief. Vote KMD.

[Majiffy]

The underlying implications of the question were "why do you see these as scumtells instead of newbtells", as UTC (and myself) see Fizz's actions as more newb rather than scum.

[Majiffy]

Nervousness seemed more like "hope I don't get lynched", which can easily be misconstrued as "hope they don't figure me out".
His answer read more like a newb thinking the Socratic Method was the proper way to scumhunt when someone asks you a question.
The whole "not wanting to expose himself" bit was clearly a hypothetical to explain why your read of him was incorrect.

There you go.

[Majiffy]

Majiffy, the comment about not wanting to expose himself was his reason for not answering "no". I even just went back and read it for like the tenth time and I still don't see it the way you do.

You should probably go back and read

my

post again because you apparently didn't the first time. It had nothing to do with his reason for not just answering no.

Number six did nothing apart from figuring out majiffys plan to post kiss from a rose, which i have to admit made me listen to it on youtube, such a good song. ^^

I'nnit?

[Majiffy]

Who the fuck is penguin_alien and where the fuck have they been?

Also Fe needs to post more.

[Majiffy]

Maj you're pretty good at getting the lurkers to come out of the woodworks (not saying that in an insidious way).

I do what I can. Lurkers and inactive slots are the true murderers of games.

[Majiffy]

.... I said MY post. MY post.

FFS learn to read.

[Majiffy]

Nervousness seemed more like "hope I don't get lynched", which can easily be misconstrued as "hope they don't figure me out".
His answer read more like a newb thinking the Socratic Method was the proper way to scumhunt when someone asks you a question.
The whole "not wanting to expose himself" bit was clearly a hypothetical to explain why your read of him was incorrect.

There you go.

[Majiffy]

[Majiffy]

Are you caught up yet, Fe?

[Majiffy]

I don't like Majiffy #279 -- this seems like an admission that it's plausible that Kmd genuinely misinterpreted Fizz's nervousness. Why is Kmd scum for doing this? This is some serious confirmation bias if you're town. I have pretty much 0 interest in a Kmd lynch today anymore.

It's more an admission that it's plausible I'm wrong about KMD. Your statement about confirmation bias doesn't make sense given the scenario no matter how you look at it, though.

Also, Re: LS, his jump on the Fizz wagon.

I know! did you see where I questioned majiffy about it cos instead of just announcing it was a policy vote he tried to make out like he genuinely saw aether as scummy.

No offense, but you're kind of retarded this game.

[Majiffy]

How slowly do you read? It's only 15 pages...

[Majiffy]

@Majiffy -- I would expect such a post to be accompanied by an unvote. The fact that you haven't is making it seem like you don't want to think you're wrong. Is he still your top scumread?

Stop expecting things and maybe you'll start understanding more.

And yes, he is.

Quite slowely given that I have other things on

I'm going to reach through my screen and choke you to death.

no u. u r teh r3t4rd.

lol, I think I am pretty retarded in every game.

Yeah, yeah you are.

VOTE: Fe
Post was annoying to read, IIoA, and incredibly stupid.

[Majiffy]

i have been working on that since Sunday night. the fact that I posted minutes after you was because you told me to post what I had.

Secondly you told me to post what I had so I did.

I didn't bother to polish it at all. Therefor really what you are voting for is not my alignment, its purely how I interpret things and right them down to myself... If you would like to explain why what I have started is stupid and what I can do in order to get better at it, then please do, I understand that I'm only relatively new and as such have quite a lot to learn and improve my methods. However just throwing a couple of buzz words and dismissing it entirely is not going to help in anyway shape or form.

The majority of this post is, I assume, addressed at me?

Bolded, however, has nothing to do with me.

[Majiffy]

Therefore it follows the rest of your argument, rooted essentially in "well you told me to post it!" is null and void. Go back to your hole.

[Majiffy]

Majiffy, the bolded in that Fe quote is something that I assume was directed at me. I had asked him to post what he had so far. It really

looks more like a summary of the game than opinions

though.

Yeah but the rest of the paragraph references things I've said about his post, which makes me curious if he's intentionally blurring the lines or if he's just completely retarded. Also wrt bold, I know. That's what IIOA means.

[Majiffy]

so don't look at the playstyle look at what he

posts

which looks like pondscum if he still has his vote on kmd.

You really need to keep up.

Also stop coddling my harassment targets.

I wasn't taking it personally I found it quite funny how annoyed he seemed to be. It was more pointing out that it just seemed to be used as a way to dismiss what I had worked on.

Your 'work' dismisses itself.

Im pretty sure Im not completely retarded

Ok, only mostly then.

and I wasn't intentionally blurring the lines

Would the liar say he's not a liar if he was asked if he was telling the truth?

which makes it seems more like your are intentionally restricitng the options to make my seem worse than I am. That isn't necessarily a scummy thing to do

You do realize that you're saying I set up a false dichotomy, which is inherently a scummy thing to do, right? I think you just don't want to go toe-to-toe with me because you know I'll get you lynched.

[Majiffy]

(I should probably point out my "town-points" i gave to number six weren't real, I cant see any reason whats so ever why that would have any indication of alignment)
Also happy birthday Majiffy, that is all.

So now we don't even know what is and isn't a real stance you're taking in your posts? Boy, you get more and more appealing as a lynch candidate every time you open your yap.

Also it's not my birthday, it's my scumday.

[Majiffy]

Deadline is in (expired on 2012-12-01 16:09:23)

[Majiffy]

<enters majiffy with a "you're retarded post">

Yup!

newb scum do not like to lie it is uncomfortable if they are a decent person IRL.

This takes way too many assumptions, the biggest being that you're projecting your feelings and attitudes which are entirely dependent on your personality and general behavior onto the feelings and attitudes of people whom are not you.

I, for one, had no problem lying as scum. It's the point of the game. This certainly doesn't make me an indecent person. Also, scum kmd can just as easily make this statement as it doesn't really hurt his standing or win condition, so considering him town for posting said perspective is silly as well.

---

Thanks for reminding me about Aether's slot, penguin. I'll be looking into N6 tomorrow. Fe is today's lynch.

[Majiffy]

it isn't an assumption you giant dummy it is a point of reference wrt to what motivates players to post what they post in a game. it has been my experience that people who are uncomfortable with lying will dodge around a bit cos they do not want to come right out and lie. I have seen lots of players do this and I have used the very same tactic that kmd used and they had a similar response and they turned out to be scum. it only works on newbscum.

Arghhhh you're not getting it.

It's an assumption insofar as you're projecting the motivations/feelings onto a certain person without the information necessary to confidently make said projections.

of course if kmd does turn out to be scum I will have to eat a shit ton of humble pie but for now I am sticking to my town read.

I eagerly await to feed you every last tasty forkful.

[Majiffy]

Mollie you're on the wrong wagon.

[Majiffy]

Atta girl.

[Majiffy]

Haven't I taught you already to stop relying so heavily on meta? Especially concerning me; I play pretty much the same. I'm just more accurate at hitting scum when I know who they are.

[Majiffy]

You could always click the handy link in my signature. I have scum/town games classified in brackets next to each link.

[Majiffy]

That's what you get for kissing sick people.

[Majiffy]

HA

Spoiler:

!

[Majiffy]

Secondly those were my notes, why do I have to be serious.

Kill it with fire.

[Majiffy]

Vote Fe and I'll look at Fizz tomorrow. We have scummier scum to lynch.

[Majiffy]

Doo dee doo dee doo.

[Majiffy]

Biddalo biddum bee

[Majiffy]

assuming he does

You know what they say about assuming...

[Majiffy]

You know what they say about loose asses...

[Majiffy]

[Majiffy]

Twiddle twiddle.

[Majiffy]

Lol @ Fe taking me from top of the town list to the bottom of the possibly scum list without a single reason.

Also, hi Nacho. I didn't know you were in this game. You should probably change that.

[Majiffy]

Majiffy: Definate leader,

seems almost certainly town

, constant pressure makes it seem like

SCUM?

the Director
unctrion

Majiffy

Anyone that wants to hammer can do so now, Fe claimed scum.

[Majiffy]

Fe is town, don't lynch him, the lynch is terrible.

So is Fe. I mean, shit, if you don't see him as scum, at least see him as a complete imbecile who will only serve to hinder town and be a liability.

Seriously, go through my ISO and look at all the quotes I've pulled that are just

BAD

.

Furthermore;

But I don't like how you are just taking control of the town under the automatic assumtion that 1. You are 100% town, 2. You are 100% right. Its bugging me.

Majiffy: Definate leader,

seems almost certainly town

, constant pressure makes it seem like

You can't possibly backpedal any harder than you're currently doing.

[Majiffy]

Also why the fuck wouldn't I act from the assumption that I'm 100% town? Seems kind of a stupid thing not to do, eh? Given that I know my own role? Eh? Eh?!

Fucking retard.

[Majiffy]

It wasn't just "missing" some questions, he was intentionally dodging it post after post after post.

And Jesus now you're doing the same little dance. How many morons can one game have?

[Majiffy]

Making an effort? He makes a gigantic IIOA post that says diddly squat, then the few claims he did make he backed off of because people were calling out the shitty reasons behind them, then he said "well jeez those were just my notes guys don't take anything I post seriously erhmahgerd" and now he's calling me town and scum on the same page for the same reason.

[Majiffy]

Needs. To Be Killed. With A Gigantic Fire.

[Majiffy]

You do realize that both of those things sound more like newb/playstyle/personality rather than alignment, right?

[Majiffy]

The IIoA post reeks of "well I don't really know what to do but I'm going to try to do something anyways", and the notes thing reeks of pride being hurt. It's a natural reaction.

Scum : I really don't know how to look like I'm scumhunting
Result : IIOA

Town : I really don't know how to scumhunt
Result : IIOA

Scum : They're calling faults in my weak reads!
Result : They're just notes guys! Don't take them seriously!

Town : They're making fun of my terribad reads!
Result : They're just notes guys! Don't take them seriously!


Fuck off, Nacho.

[Majiffy]

Source: Suzaku & EagleAquila

Real big sample size with your 7 or 8 posts there. Yeah, that's really convincing.

Mhm. Aether

And I continue

this one is pretty accurate, yeah
so it doesn't really make him scum, which was what I thought you were trying to argue here

No he's scum for the scummy things he's said. Look at my ISO please, I point out plenty of quotes. Thanks for playing!

This doesn't look like 454 Majiffy. This looks like town a-hole Majiffy that I'm much more comfortable with.

For the purposes of refining my asshole nature, please explain to me the difference.

The little I did provide was a challenge to Majiffy to produce an equal amount of examples to see that he actually has something behind what he's talking about.

Search for 8 posts from idiots who can't play properly? Yeah, no, I have better things to do with my time. You've played this game plenty of times to know you're setting up a bullshit argument here that isn't going to help anyone in the end.

I dunno Kmd is rubbing me wrong again.

Probably because he's scum.

[Majiffy]

Ya-huh!

[Majiffy]

You're a fucking idiot Nacho.

[Majiffy]

(I should probably point out my "town-points" i gave to number six weren't real, I cant see any reason whats so ever why that would have any indication of alignment)

Here's Fe backing off his questionable town read after being scrutinized on it.

Secondly those were my notes, why do I have to be serious.

Here's Fe saying his notes aren't to be taken seriously. Or that he doesn't need to be serious in his notes. Either way, same conclusion.

Majiffy: Definate leader,

seems almost certainly town

, constant pressure makes it seem like

SCUM?

the Director
unctrion

Majiffy

Here's where Fe flip-flops on his read of me ON THE SAME PAGE.

But I don't like how you are just taking control of the town under the automatic assumtion that 1. You are 100% town, 2. You are 100% right. Its bugging me.

Majiffy: Definate leader,

seems almost certainly town

, constant pressure makes it seem like

And here's him using the same reason to support his argument for both reads.

Now Nacho, go kindly find a new game to play, because you're really fucking bad at this one.

[Majiffy]

God it's like pulling teeth to lynch scum around here.

[Majiffy]

You've clearly never pulled teeth before.

Well, no... I'm a recording engineer, not a dental surgeon.

[Majiffy]

Secondly my first post was just a gut post. My next one was after I had time to re read through and make decent opinions. The fact I used the same reason just means I realised that you are actually quite scummy.

First, don't assume anything. Ever.

Second, you're still using the same reason that supported your gut read to support your flip on the read. That's still scummy no matter how you try to spin it.

For the purposes of refining my asshole nature, please explain to me the difference.

Nope. Maybe post game (assuming I'm right).

Dick.

Also do you think Nacho is just playing stupidly here or do you think he's scum?

I don't know, I'm getting tired of tunneling Nacho because he always flips town.

[Majiffy]

For the purposes of refining my asshole nature, please explain to me the difference.

Nope. Maybe post game (assuming I'm right).

don't tell him anything he will just update his meta.

also nacho are you really subbing out?

I'm going to poke you with something unpleasant.

[Majiffy]

For the purposes of refining my asshole nature, please explain to me the difference.

Nope. Maybe post game (assuming I'm right).

don't tell him anything he will just update his meta.

also nacho are you really subbing out?

I'm going to poke you with something unpleasant.

[Majiffy]

(¬_¬)

[Majiffy]

And sure but we'll do it tomorrow I'm busy today and don't have time to read 38 pages.

[Majiffy]

k

[Majiffy]

Majiffy - we are not on the same page and I do not understand why and it makes me suspicious.

Fe

Mafia Goon

was lynched Day One

Get on my page, eh?

VOTE: KMD
Numero dos.

C'mon kids, follow the flow-chart.

[Majiffy]

Fizz is being prodded or replaced or something.

[Majiffy]

Since Fizz has not responded to my prod, I will be replacing him.

[Majiffy]

It's ok, you can join me on KMD instead.

[Majiffy]

Mollie you're not doing the flow-chart right.

[Majiffy]

That's how the Holocaust happened.

[Majiffy]

Hitler was just a poster-boy.

[Majiffy]

[Majiffy]

Majiffy - he has no qualms with long-bussing, but meta alone isn't enough. My biggest 'wtf' moment yesterday was when Fe posted his reads calling Majiffy super town and "town leader" (Post #456), and then in his very next post Majiffy plummets to scum in Fe's reads (Post #473) . In between Fe's two posts pirate mollie makes a very awkward "lol wouldn't it be funny if Fe just called out his scum buddies".

Here is what I think happened. Fe knew he was going down so Fe tried to help out his scum buddy Majiffy by calling him town leader. When pirate called him out on that, Fe quickly scrambled and plummeted Majiffy to scum with very weak reasoning ... something along the lines of "I read the game again and decided Majiffy is scum". Majiffy then responded by saying Fe claimed scum in an obvious distancing and hard bus.

I said something to Fe in between those two posts that I reckon is the reason why he flopped on me, and I brought it up myself. You can go ISO for it.

The quickwagon on me is adorable btw. Thanks for cementing your names in the history books.

[Majiffy]

477, 478, 484 and 490 are required reading for the wagoneers.

[Majiffy]

What are those posts supposed to prove?

Oh, and can you point out which post it was that caused Fe to flop? I'll quote all the posts you made in between when he called you a town leader and when he called you scum.

Not really supposed to "prove" anything, they're just required reading.

And sorry, I thought I had said something but I was remembering incorrectly.

[Majiffy]

So yesterday according to Majiffy, Fe was scum for dropping Majiffy from Town to scum without reason, but today Majiffy is attempting to say Fe reacted to something he said. Majiffy is blatantly contradicting himself.

ISO me please and realize how you're being an idiot right now. Thanks.

[Majiffy]

Lol @ Fe taking me from top of the town list to the bottom of the possibly scum list without a single reason.

Heh.

I said something to Fe in between those two posts that I reckon is the reason why he flopped on me, and I brought it up myself. You can go ISO for it.

Hehehehhe.

So yesterday according to Majiffy, Fe was scum for dropping Majiffy from Town to scum without reason, but today Majiffy is attempting to say Fe reacted to something he said. Majiffy is blatantly contradicting himself.

And sorry, I thought I had said something but I was remembering incorrectly.

Fucking idiot.

[Majiffy]

Your inability to read is most disturbing.

[Majiffy]

The Majiffy wagon is really, really stupid.

You know, I feel like I say this every time people vote for me. Probably because it's true.

[Majiffy]

YES, YES.

FEEL THE FLOW CHART FLOW THROUGH YOU.

[Majiffy]

KMD why are you vehemently defending me? Explain your town read on me thoroughly, please.

[Majiffy]

VOTE: Maenara

[Majiffy]

Nacho, reason for voting LS?

[Majiffy]

Disliking the nature of the wagon.

[Majiffy]

Certainly nothing I can write off as impossible for scum to fake.

[Majiffy]

Have you read the last two or three posts by Maenara?

[Majiffy]

Oh wow I just realized Maenara is in Aether's slot.

Yeah, this is a great lynch.

[Majiffy]

You can't tell?

Here are some helpful steps:
1) ISO me.
2) See who I'm voting.

Congratulations!

[Majiffy]

The increase in meta reliance on this site is starting to get sickening.

[Majiffy]

Are you reading the same Maenara posts I am?

[Majiffy]

Caught up. Finding Majiffy vs. Nachomamma as hilarious as always, which is to say not at all.

Fe is scum, but I ain't hammering tonight.

Don't like Director; think he's sorta scummy, though it may just be contentless town posting.

Also, Kmd talks way too much about how good the Fe lynch is for someone who isn't on it.

> Wasn't on the Fe lynch himself.

Blatant attempt to misconstrue what KMD says.
More completely scummy behavior.
More completely scummy behavior.

By my count, you're at L-1.

A reaction would be nice.

Attempt to look like the vote was a pressure vote; allows him to slip out of responsibility upon a KMD town-flip.

Add that to the fact that he's in the Aether slot which has been scummy since the get-go and you've got a prime second scum lynch.

[Majiffy]

Attempt

to look like

the vote was a pressure vote; allows him to slip out of responsibility upon a KMD town-flip.

The hell? No it isn't. I'm voting KMD to lynch him; I just said it because I needed a votecount and because KMD's 'K' was sorta freakin' useless.

Bolded. Thanks!

Add that to the fact that he's in the Aether slot which has been scummy since the get-go and you've got a prime second scum lynch.

Yadda yadda yadda, how exactly do you propose I defend myself against accusations based on actions that

aren't mine

?[/quote]
Lolursoscum

Pourquoi???

Just because I'm voting someone else doesn't mean I don't want an answer. I don't see what dots you're failing to connect here.

Majiffy, that case...actually...isn't too bad.

Maenara, that was the whole point of the "k". Director's post was pretty useless so I responded with uselessness back. If you aren't going to make a specific point, you aren't going to get a real response.

There's a reason there's a flow-chart.

Also Penguin is pretty town. Eh wins with the villagers and doesn't afraid of lynching scum.

[Majiffy]

also majiffy, do you still have a scum read on kmd? if not what changed?

If Maenara flips scum, I highly doubt KMD is scum with him.

If you need reason to stop the Maenara wagon (aside from the wagon being bad to begin with), refer to Fe calling Aether on a scum slip in the first quote of my last post.

Because scum has never over-eagerly bussed their teamate when they have inside information about scum and see what they consider a blatant slip. Yeah, never happened ever.

[Majiffy]

Thanks for reminding me how scummy you are, LS. Those posts are gold mines of bussing.

[Majiffy]

Also his "flow chart" business seems to have been swept under the rug with little to no explanation.

?

[Majiffy]

For a good portion of D2 you have been a parrot screaming "flow chart!" over and over. And then that seems to have gone away.

It'll come back around eventually, when the mood strikes.

@ majiffy I believe I asked you a question.

Usually people will quote or re-state the question if it was missed.

[Majiffy]

But I'm not scum

[Majiffy]

Why is Nacho scum?

[Majiffy]

It's called associative tells. And we have a scum flip.

Congratulations! Scumhunting 101!

[Majiffy]

Well if that wasn't a scummy succession of posts I don't know what is.

[Majiffy]

Director's

[Majiffy]

It's ok. Are you bussing him?

[Majiffy]

Just want to know if I should go for Nacho after LS flips scum.

[Majiffy]

I think he is.

[Majiffy]

ISO me I've mentioned several reasons throughout the game.

[Majiffy]

I didn't even make post 121.

[Majiffy]

Associative tells with a scum flip are not weak reasoning.

Also mentioned him here http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 1#p4489341
Which is in reference to this http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 0#p4478850

[Majiffy]

You first.

[Majiffy]

How should I know?

[Majiffy]

Well my scum meta is to bus like a boss so why don't you help me lynch Maenara?

[Majiffy]

A man can have multiple scum reads, but alas, limited by the power of only one vote.

[Majiffy]

But you haven't mentioned Maenara since I "reminded" you how scummy I was.

I'd like you to explain how the two are related, because you seem to think they are.

Instead you've tried to justify your weak ass case on me and also smeared in some justification for a director lynch while voting neither of us.

Because I prefer a Maenara lynch, obviously.

It'd be excusable if Maenara hadn't made any posts since the post I linked above but she has. And you haven't commented on them.

Do I need to comment on every single post by every single player now? Have you? I thought not.

So IS Maenara still your highest scum read? Or are you keeping your vote on her because you don't know where else to put it?

Yeah you're right I've mentioned several scum reads and yet I'm having a hard time deciding where to put my vote. Totally makes sense.

[Majiffy]

1) Phrasing of the statement. You included two independent events in one complete idea.
2) Pushed for your lynch? When did I do that? I don't recall saying "guys lets lynch LastSurvivor now!"
3) Why is it scummy for me to not have commented on posts I didn't feel merited commenting?
4) No, I have not. I wonder why.

[Majiffy]

You can't run a 'Jiffy style lynch on 'Jiffy, it doesn't work that way.

[Majiffy]

I used to wallpost like you, then I took a day one lynch to the knee.

[Majiffy]

Sorry to say it.

[Majiffy]

You acted like my flip was going to happen. And you didn't say it,

but you certainly implied that it was going to happen soon. Like today.

You can argue that that doesn't mean I'm your highest scum read. But why would you act like a secondary scum read's flip was going to happen sometime soon? And why would you be considering connectional tells (i.e., Nacho is scum if LS is scum) if I was only a secondary scum read?

Bolded: Not really. You're just reading into it like that because you're an idiot.

[Majiffy]

It's kind of a necessary premise to reach the conclusions you're reaching.

[Majiffy]

Not really. You're pushing two contradictory ideas here.

1) Maenara is your highest scum read. This, obviously, means you think Maenara is a part of the scum team. Since you said I will flip scum, that must mean I'm your second highest scum read, and therefore part of the scum team.

Which means that, in your mind, the scum team is Maenara/LS.

2) You considered that I was bussing Nacho. Which means that you think Nacho could be part of the scum team. Which means that you were considering a Nacho/LS scum team.

To reiterate: I have no idea why you would consider an LS/Nacho scum team if Maenara is your highest scum read.

Bolded: Not how it works. You are a scum read, Maenara is a scum read. I'll accept that my reads may not be accurate. So my having scum reads on both of you does not solidify that you must be the scum team together.

[Majiffy]

VOTE: LS

Line 'em up, shoot 'em down. Maenara tomorrow I guess.

[Majiffy]

Let's say I believe trucks are the ideal vehicle. And let's say I believe Toyota makes the best vehicles. Do I believe Toyota trucks are the penultimate automatic locomotive tool? No, it does not follow. There is no disconnect in having two independent scum reads and not associating them together; they are both considered scum reads on separate qualia, and in fact a flip on one may negate the scum read on another through associative tells.

[Majiffy]

That's funny, I will be too.

We should get coffee sometime.

[Majiffy]

Associative tells are very much not flimsy and you'd be a fool for not strongly considering them.

That's probably why you don't understand anything.

[Majiffy]

E.g., when you have someone who replaces in and defends a player but then does a complete 180 of their read on them with little to no rationale provided.

^ This is about Nacho if that wasn't clear.

Funny, I thought you were talking about yourself in regards to flip-flopping on a town read on me.

However, the associative tell that "LS made a case on Nacho and could possibly be bussing him" is flimsy because it all boils down to WIFOM. Could LS be bussing? Could LS just be pushing a lynch on a townie? Could LS actually be town and actually scum hunting?

Your third question shows ignorance of the basic tenet of associative tells; you need a scum flip first. You don't see me voting Nacho and saying "LOL HE'S SCUM CUZ LS IS BUSSING HIM". That would be idiocy. I am voting my scum read first and foremost. If that scum read flips scum, and has associative tells, I will pursue them.

That tell is flimsy because there's no indication that the "bussing" scenario is more likely than any of the other scenarios I mentioned.

Only because you look at it without the light of confirmed flips.

[Majiffy]

Funny, I thought you were talking about yourself in regards to flip-flopping on a town read on me.

You were my weakest town read. Don't flatter yourself.

Still, you took a town read and bypassed four scum reads to vote me. Four. With what to support it? Nothing.

Oh, I know that you're not voting Nacho and you can't push associative tells without a scum flip.
I mentioned the last question because you were the one who brought up an associative tell without a scum flip. So I'm not sure you should be the one calling me ignorant. <_<

You mean where I said "if LS flips scum"? Yeah, you're right, that is totally sans-scum-flip.

1) I am pushing a ML on Nacho.
2) I am bussing Nacho.

And there's no way to tell from my post which one is which.

Yes there is. With confirmation of your flip we can accurately place ourselves into your shoes and decide if a Nacho-bus or a Nacho-mislynch-push was the more likely scenario given the current wagons, opinions, and discussions taking place.

So you're point is still flimsy and I still have no idea why you brought up an associative tell when

1) You're insisting that associative tells are useless without a flip
2) It was a very weak tell on a secondary scum read.

No, you're just backed up to a wall, and shouting "you're wrong" doesn't make me any more incorrect.

Basically, I think a case shouldn't be based entirely on associative tells unless there's a definite disconnect in the person who's allegedly bussing's thought process. Weak associative tells like that should only be supplements, not the main point.

Funny, you've had those a lot. And people have pointed them out.

So when ya gonna self-vote?

[Majiffy]

Funny story; I'm actually not pushing you, you're pushing me into pushing you by attacking me because I'm not voting you but voting Maenara. Had you not (and if you'd not have continued) to make a stink about the fact I have a scum read on you whilst voting for Maenara, we wouldn't be engaged in this very tedious discussion that is doing nothing but reflecting poorly on you.

[Majiffy]

In essence, you did.

Anyway I'm mostly voting you because the chances of your lynch going through over Maenara's is greater.

[Majiffy]

Rach can we get an updated vote-count?

[Majiffy]

I don't think I like the last survivor lynch very much.

Yeah well I don't like you very much.

[Majiffy]

Ok yeah I do.

[Majiffy]

Rach can we get an updated vote-count?

[Majiffy]

Speaking of interesting posts...

[Majiffy]

Group A: uctriton00, Buldemar, pirate mollie, penguin_alien
Group B: Kmd4390, Nachomamma8, borkjerfkin, Maenara, Nobody Special, the director

We've probably got one scum in each group. A is off the wagon, B is on the wagon.

[Majiffy]

And Buldermar you keep your grimy little hands away from Mollie or I'll snap your penis in half like a breadstick.

[Majiffy]

I know there was a reason I stopped voting him. I don't remember why.

[Majiffy]

I'm finding it difficult to get motivated. I really wanted LS to flip scum.

[Majiffy]

VOTE: Uct

Yep.

[Majiffy]

Uh, yes.

[Majiffy]

I'd rather work with the smaller pool atm.

[Majiffy]

The list was on Fe off LS, I was on both. Of course I wasn't on the list.

Anyway, yeah KMD's "lynch NS then me" was scummy as fuck.

VOTE: KMD

[Majiffy]

Oh whoops other way around, off fe on LS *

[Majiffy]

No, not really.

[Majiffy]

Dat universal wagon.

[Majiffy]

I'd hammer but I'm already voting.

[Majiffy]

Not my fault you haven't read.

Also go post in the TR game, you already missed Day 1.

[Majiffy]

KMD your "case"(?) on bork is bad and you should feel bad. Seriously context harder, please.

[Majiffy]

because kmd is stupidly town and i don't want to lynch him because that would be stupid.

You'll have to show this for me to change my vote.

Also this^

[Majiffy]

Is there a case on Penguin? I haven't seen anything convincing yet.

I'd like to lynch KMD or Utc.

[Majiffy]

VOTE: Utc

Just to make sure this is in the right place.

There is a case, she is gliding her way through the game and I'd like to see how she reacts to being at L-1. Her posts are terribad, her excuses even worse, and humor me, just jump on board and get her to L-1.

Yes because town never glides through the game making terrible posts and excuses.



Got a real case?

The posting style looks the same in her scum game (http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... start=1000) as it does now. Infrequent wall posting I call it.

And yet you conveniently left out any town games.

If you're going to do meta, at least show me 3+ scum and 3+ town games that show clearly defined differences that are alignment-dependent.

[Majiffy]

KMD bus your buddy and join me on the Utc wagon.

[Majiffy]

KMD bus your buddy and join me on the Utc wagon.

uh why even start the uct wagon if you think kmd is bussing?

Smaller selection pool that KMD is not a part of. ISO me you derp.

[Majiffy]

Can the above be simplified? I need a road map about halfway through the first sentence.

[Majiffy]

Glad we all agree. Lets lynch utc.

[Majiffy]

I don't see a compelling reason to lynch UCT.

Narrower lynch pool.

[Majiffy]

Rach vote count and deadline please.

p-edit: Different metric. I told you to ISO me.

[Majiffy]

But since you're lazy

Group A: uctriton00, Buldemar, pirate mollie, penguin_alien
Group B: Kmd4390, Nachomamma8, borkjerfkin, Maenara, Nobody Special, the director

We've probably got one scum in each group. A is off the wagon, B is on the wagon.

[Majiffy]

LS wagon.

[Majiffy]

Nature and speed of the wagon makes it unlikely. Fast-moving town wagons are not something scum like to fuck with in droves.

[Majiffy]

Head count. Possibly inaccurate.

Kmd4390 (L-4) Buldemar, NS
Penguin (L-2) Director, Nacho, Bork, Uct
NS (L-5) Penguin
Uct (L-3) Majiffy, Maenara, KMD

Not Voting
pirate mollie, uctriton00

With 11 it takes 6 to lynch

(expired on 2013-01-14 17:06:10)

[Majiffy]

*Uct is voting Penguin, not not-voting

[Majiffy]

What's so awful about it?

[Majiffy]

Yeah because 150 posts isn't anything.

[Majiffy]

Bork - If you actually read Penguin's post that you're accusing him of flip-flopping on LS, it actually doesn't do such a thing at all. The majority of the post focuses on NS's and Director's interactions and eventual L-1/Hammer (respectively) on LS. He never said "lol guys LS was obvtown u so dumb" or anything like that. But if you read his posts between 895 and the hammer you see that he was still asking questions and trying to determine the alignment of LS.

Bulder - Ok. I'm not really sure going down this avenue is helping much though. All I can think when I'm reading this whole exchange is "so what?"

[Majiffy]

Also I don't think you understand why Maenara placed his vote.

[Majiffy]

You can't have analysis if you don't have time to. Which is why penguin was so pissed off at the quickhammering.

[Majiffy]

Bulder-Maenara conversation can end now because
a) It doesn't have any merit
b) It's not going anywhere
c) It was started off false premises
d) Neither party understands that the other party doesn't understand
e) It's already been cleared up via bork
f) It's cluttering the thread.

Thanks people.

[Majiffy]

Fruitless, meritless conversations don't help town.

And we're not lynching KMD, we're lynching Uct. Now hop on the wagon.

[Majiffy]

The complete lack of reading comprehension in the above post is appalling.

p-edit: Ninja'd by bork.

[Majiffy]

This game I don't even.

Can we go back to lynching uct?

[Majiffy]

KMD's recent posts have seemed kind of townie in a pathetically bad player kind of way. Could just be ATE though.

[Majiffy]

The two incidents are not related.

Probably Buldermar.

[Majiffy]

Don't eh me.