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Post Post #33 (isolation #0) » Sat Nov 10, 2012 11:16 am

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I confirmed via PM because I didn't see the link

Vote: Aether


So I don't get quickhammered again by him
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Post Post #45 (isolation #1) » Sun Nov 11, 2012 1:03 am

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back home

Nobody Special: yes in this instance Aether skipped the intent to hammer step and went ahead with it.
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Post Post #99 (isolation #2) » Sun Nov 11, 2012 7:37 pm

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Caught up in the game.

I have no idea what NS meant by saying "too easy" with the Daykill threats.

Other than that, Fizz looks completely backed into a corner.
Vote: Fizz
I don't like unprompted overexplanations at all.

And Aether's meta is actually pretty accurate; he's a serial reader all the time.
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Post Post #100 (isolation #3) » Sun Nov 11, 2012 7:37 pm

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Unvote: Aether
should be implied.



You do not have to unvote to vote another person. I assume when you change your vote you are unvoting the other person. --Rach
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Post Post #232 (isolation #4) » Wed Nov 14, 2012 9:50 am

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Re-read the game, and lol @ Majiffy being replaced because he doesn't like a player, and then coming back. It makes me think that all the Aether suspicion wasn't scum, but it's just all bias against him. I have all of those reads against his slot as null and not even remotely game-related.

Fizz got quiet REAL quick after the bandwagon built. I think you defend the **** out of yourself, but if it's his first game, I see that as newb town who got scared to die and stopped posting so much. Majiffy pointed out KMD's case on Fizz. I'll buy that. KMD's flip buys Majiffy's flip, and probably Fizz's flip too. I don't see Majiffy going out of his way to defend someone he doesn't know his alliance of.

I've played with Mala before, he knows wtf he's doing in this game. I have him as town.
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Post Post #233 (isolation #5) » Wed Nov 14, 2012 9:51 am

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Vote: KMD
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Post Post #241 (isolation #6) » Wed Nov 14, 2012 4:53 pm

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Kmd4390 wrote:Uct, so you are lynching for information, not for scum?


You're the best lynch.
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Post Post #246 (isolation #7) » Wed Nov 14, 2012 7:57 pm

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Kmd4390 wrote:Do you even believe I am scum


Yes I do.

It's a rather hardline stance you declared Fizz to die in this game, that's too easy of a buyout for a mislynch attempt on a townie.
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Post Post #255 (isolation #8) » Thu Nov 15, 2012 6:18 am

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Kmd4390 wrote:So..

I'm scum for having a strong scum read on someone you somehow know to be town?


I don't like your phrasing. "Well he's gotta die now", that's scummy.
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Post Post #256 (isolation #9) » Thu Nov 15, 2012 6:19 am

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*gotta die now, if not today then any other day. Like you're buying a free LYLO kill.
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Post Post #259 (isolation #10) » Thu Nov 15, 2012 7:41 am

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I don't see Fizz as scum by the way he's posted/acted in the second half of his ISO. Do you still feel like Fizz is scum? If not, how would you think a newbie town would play it?
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Post Post #262 (isolation #11) » Thu Nov 15, 2012 10:35 am

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He is obviously bread crumbing that he is Seal.

A Navy Seal.

A Vigilante.

LET'S GET HIM.
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Post Post #280 (isolation #12) » Thu Nov 15, 2012 9:51 pm

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the director wrote:If you truly have played with "him" before then you would know "he" conciously makes sure to make it known "he" is actually a "female" and wouldn't make that mistake.


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Mala caught me as scum in the game I played with her in it. I was caught in like the 3rd post in her ISO and ate her reaction test like it was a fat kid who loves cake. I was pissed at myself for that ****. Plus she looks the same this game as that game so I have her as townie. I trust her gut.
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Post Post #281 (isolation #13) » Thu Nov 15, 2012 9:56 pm

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pirate mollie wrote:some of his posts have come across as really townish.


What's townie about it?
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Post Post #290 (isolation #14) » Fri Nov 16, 2012 8:48 am

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Lastsurvivor,

I see him as being "man everyone is mad at me, I'll just be quiet". Very newb town who isn't used to using ATE or any other kind of defense mechanism.
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Post Post #318 (isolation #15) » Sun Nov 18, 2012 11:12 am

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Scum replacing when they're in trouble

Unvote

Vote: Fe
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Post Post #388 (isolation #16) » Wed Nov 21, 2012 5:27 pm

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Back. I don't think there were any questions directed at me other than me re-explaining my vote:

People react differently to pressure and to votes. Fe has not reacted well at all.

That's why my vote is where it is. That's it; it's not rocket science.

#362 Fe, that's a lot of narrative, and while that's "useful", people have already said that's IOA, or Information over Analysis in case you didn't know what the acronym was.

Your ISO hasn't shown any type of picking people out as scummy, nor picking people out as townie.
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Post Post #400 (isolation #17) » Sat Nov 24, 2012 8:03 am

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I've been sick and then the holidays have been coming, and worse it's the weekend and I usually play a lot on the weekdays.

But luckily there hasn't been much activity from anyone since I last posted.

Kmd, is Fizz being a better lynch rooted in the very first case on him in the first place, about the overexplaining?
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Post Post #437 (isolation #18) » Tue Nov 27, 2012 8:51 pm

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randomly ISOing borker and saw a question addressed to me:

Requesting to replace out is a chance to get away from your scum games. Basically when you get into a future game, someone can say "can you link me to a completed game where you were scum", you can plausibly not even link to the replaced-out game since they said "completed game".
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Post Post #603 (isolation #19) » Tue Dec 04, 2012 4:17 pm

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I missed all of Friday.

Nacho is in this game, and he was (almost) wrong again. That is splendid.

I want to hear from Fizz
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Post Post #606 (isolation #20) » Tue Dec 04, 2012 4:31 pm

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>_>
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Post Post #618 (isolation #21) » Wed Dec 05, 2012 7:06 am

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Fe has two sets of town reads in his iso:

456 = Majiffy, Nobody Special, KMD
473 = Nobody Special, Last Survivor, KMD, borkjin

Nobody Special, was scum Fe trying to protect you?
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Post Post #624 (isolation #22) » Wed Dec 05, 2012 12:31 pm

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the director wrote:Majiffy - he has no qualms with long-bussing, but meta alone isn't enough. My biggest 'wtf' moment yesterday was when Fe posted his reads calling Majiffy super town and "town leader" (Post #456), and then in his very next post Majiffy plummets to scum in Fe's reads (Post #473) . In between Fe's two posts pirate mollie makes a very awkward "lol wouldn't it be funny if Fe just called out his scum buddies".

Here is what I think happened. Fe knew he was going down so Fe tried to help out his scum buddy Majiffy by calling him town leader. When pirate called him out on that, Fe quickly scrambled and plummeted Majiffy to scum with very weak reasoning ... something along the lines of "I read the game again and decided Majiffy is scum". Majiffy then responded by saying Fe claimed scum in an obvious distancing and hard bus.


Didn't notice the Majiffy drop. That makes calling NS town looks more like a kissup then.

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Post Post #647 (isolation #23) » Thu Dec 06, 2012 2:52 pm

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So was he trying to suck up to NS knowing he's town? Instead of dropping him he left him there.
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Post Post #649 (isolation #24) » Thu Dec 06, 2012 3:08 pm

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Jesus.
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Post Post #650 (isolation #25) » Thu Dec 06, 2012 3:10 pm

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473 said TOWN in big capital letters with a single guy up there, that's what I saw.

KMD was in a group with question marks: TOWN?
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Post Post #671 (isolation #26) » Fri Dec 07, 2012 9:27 am

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Nachomamma8 wrote:The Majiffy wagon is really, really stupid.
Also not convinced with NS. If he was trying to defend his buddy, I really don't think he'd try to lynch me, of all people. No one (except for bork, but bork is crazy) was talking about the scumread on me, so it wasn't exactly opportunistic. And he didn't vote Fizz, which would have been a hell of a lot more telling to me. So yeah, calling him town.

Don't really like Lastsurvivor right now, and might sheep Majiffy onto kmd. Might.


What's stupid was Kingm--- *takes pills* <3

The Majiffy wagon was not stupid. It makes sense that in a panic, he goes for a bus.

But if Majiffy "called" it, like he does in 630, then that wouldn't help him if he was scum.

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Then going to the other end of the spectrum, he did leave NS as his top town read, director. On a higher tier than KMD. I was willing to believe he did that on purpose to protect him, but maybe that's too much WIFOM and that he would love to take out a townie. Scum calling someone super town and then flipping a scum card, that's probably a mislynch setup for Day 2.
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Post Post #672 (isolation #27) » Fri Dec 07, 2012 9:31 am

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And Majiffy's ISO shows a whole lot of KMD voting

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Post Post #734 (isolation #28) » Sun Dec 09, 2012 8:51 pm

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prod dodge, reading tomorrow at work
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Post Post #746 (isolation #29) » Mon Dec 10, 2012 10:44 am

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I get why people have #708, but I don't like the Maenara wagon. #737 just screams town to me. It's looks like a sincere ATE from someone who is just trying to defend himself from being thrown under a town bus; I can relate.
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Post Post #748 (isolation #30) » Mon Dec 10, 2012 11:20 am

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*hate, not have, yes.
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Post Post #759 (isolation #31) » Tue Dec 11, 2012 7:56 am

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What is this random vote on me for
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Post Post #789 (isolation #32) » Wed Dec 12, 2012 9:17 am

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Kmd4390 wrote:Bad vote. Maybe intentionally.


Explain to me how that was bad.
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Post Post #828 (isolation #33) » Fri Dec 14, 2012 1:50 pm

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KMD is how Fizz was being; gathering up votes and then scaling back.

Maenara, you have anything with that vote or are you playing RVS on page 34
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Post Post #831 (isolation #34) » Fri Dec 14, 2012 2:28 pm

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It's screwing with my original town opinion on her, yes.
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Post Post #916 (isolation #35) » Sun Dec 16, 2012 5:45 pm

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Haven't read the past few pages but I'm asking why you're voting me
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Post Post #925 (isolation #36) » Mon Dec 17, 2012 8:51 pm

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Not voting Maenara today. He reminds me of me when I'm town.

KMD has pretty much disappeared after being railed against. Almost like how Fizz did. Either both he and Fizz are townies, or KMD is just copying. I need to read other people in the game first for comparison.
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Post Post #926 (isolation #37) » Mon Dec 17, 2012 8:57 pm

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Actually LS, what was lame and scummy about being on KMD?
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Post Post #928 (isolation #38) » Tue Dec 18, 2012 9:21 am

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What is this random vote on me for => what is this vote on me for => what is this vote for
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Post Post #964 (isolation #39) » Wed Dec 19, 2012 7:50 pm

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the director wrote:Good fish sticks can someone put this scum at L-1 so I can hammer?


Errr.... if you think someone is scum, why does it matter
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Post Post #969 (isolation #40) » Thu Dec 20, 2012 6:40 am

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pirate mollie wrote:uct is totally off my radar which is worrisome. like I have no read. sometimes when I have no desire to interact with a person they will later flip scum.


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Post Post #1037 (isolation #41) » Mon Dec 24, 2012 8:25 am

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Page 40 made no sense, like it was RVS in a new game.

And for like the umteenth time why am I getting these one-line vote posts like I'm a cattle prod. :[ Majiffy do you have any questions at least for me

#1028 That's very valorous, but I don't think that's helpful. Killing yourself to get the point across against someone doesn't work; you vote for the person you want to vote for.

#1036 wtf
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Post Post #1054 (isolation #42) » Wed Dec 26, 2012 6:33 am

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what the hell is 1050 - 1052 about? science majors, and sheeping?

And KMD what are you trying to prove with your self vote?
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Post Post #1066 (isolation #43) » Wed Dec 26, 2012 5:40 pm

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penguin just did flip scum in a completed game, too
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Post Post #1080 (isolation #44) » Thu Dec 27, 2012 8:51 am

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Bork why am I included in your list in #1073?
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Post Post #1081 (isolation #45) » Thu Dec 27, 2012 8:59 am

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pirate mollie wrote:your flip will actually also clear up a lot of things so thanks for helping us out with your self-vote.


Earlier in the game KMD was getting mad about info lynches. He kept saying "do you think I'm scum" and I said "you're the best lynch" and you said "that doesn't answer my question".

But when pirate mollie brings it up, KMD doesn't get all defensive. Why?
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Post Post #1092 (isolation #46) » Thu Dec 27, 2012 7:27 pm

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I actually like a penguin lynch too.

The posting style looks the same in her scum game (http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... start=1000) as it does now. Infrequent wall posting I call it.

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Post Post #1258 (isolation #47) » Sun Dec 30, 2012 9:17 pm

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Prod-dodge, I went out for the weekend, got back just now, will catch up.
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Post Post #1285 (isolation #48) » Mon Dec 31, 2012 11:12 am

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New Years going to get in the way, I'll post like I usually do when I go back to work on Thursday
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Post Post #1311 (isolation #49) » Tue Jan 01, 2013 8:01 am

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Happy New Year!
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Post Post #1319 (isolation #50) » Tue Jan 01, 2013 8:12 am

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Woohoo I'm popular!

Majiffy I don't even know how to respond to you because I honestly couldn't explain to my cat why you want to vote me. First you voted me and I didn't know, and asked if you had any questions, and you were like "no not really". Now you're pushing me like kingdom come. Maybe this is OMGUS from the breakdown of the Fe posts? Just tell me why you're voting me.

Maenara, that's as simple as I can put it. You remind me of when I'm town = you're town. You remind me of when I'm scum = you're scum. I don't know how else to simplify it.
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Post Post #1322 (isolation #51) » Tue Jan 01, 2013 8:18 am

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pirate mollie, speak to me, it helps myself and the rest of the town. "I want to hear from so and so" is not a question or an accusation, it's like when you're on a date and you're staring at the girl for 2 minutes in silence waiting for something to happen.

Scumhunting is voting and giving reasons and getting reactions/info from the person. There has to be more than simply voting/fosing.
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Post Post #1329 (isolation #52) » Tue Jan 01, 2013 8:35 am

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penguin, in your other games (like micro 52 vanilla townie), you actually seem more succinct in your posts. They're all much shorter and don't look like walls.
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Post Post #1349 (isolation #53) » Tue Jan 01, 2013 10:47 am

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My analogy wasn't dumb mollie >_>

Maenara Buldemar and Nacho for town. Maenara's ate reminds me of me (in fact Nacho is the one who taught me to recognize when i'm using ate), Buldemar for being Fizz's slot where my initial town read was, and Nacho mostly based on my history of him: his initial guts are actually correct and his playstyle this game mirrors that when I see him as town.

Penguin and Majiffy for scum, NS for third. Penguin in this game is different from my other game and also from other games I read. It just feels like a different amount of succinctness from town play as it does from scum play. Majiffy, we would go back to the Fe raise/drop reads (the best empirical evidence imo) before he scum flipped, and if I have to be blatantly honest I have OMGUS feelings towards him right now because I'm not scum, jeebus. If those two are town then I have NS based on POE.
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Post Post #1351 (isolation #54) » Tue Jan 01, 2013 11:10 am

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TBH I'm curious to see what you're planning to do with this data.
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Post Post #1363 (isolation #55) » Tue Jan 01, 2013 1:35 pm

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Kmd4390 wrote:If Uct flips scum, we can use these posts to clear people. For example, 1351 would clear mollie.


Now you're getting the hang of Mafia!
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Post Post #1423 (isolation #56) » Thu Jan 03, 2013 10:25 am

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Majiffy wrote:
buldermar wrote:
Majiffy wrote:What, LS? Just because he didn't flip mafia doesn't mean he wasn't scum.
Could you elaborate on this?

I mean the fucker was scummy as shit.


Majiffy why did you leave the game earlier?
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Post Post #1426 (isolation #57) » Thu Jan 03, 2013 12:16 pm

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I'm talking about the last time you got so heeby jeebied, back on page 6. You asked to be replaced out. Why?
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Post Post #1427 (isolation #58) » Thu Jan 03, 2013 12:17 pm

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*page 7, not 6
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Post Post #1430 (isolation #59) » Thu Jan 03, 2013 12:42 pm

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Why was Aether you found so scummy enough to make you quit, yet you find other people in this game scummy but are sticking it out
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Post Post #1431 (isolation #60) » Thu Jan 03, 2013 12:45 pm

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Unless him being retarded was your reason, and not a side note. Gotcha.
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Post Post #1499 (isolation #61) » Fri Jan 04, 2013 7:44 am

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Unvote


unless there's a CC to the doctor claim
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Post Post #1550 (isolation #62) » Fri Jan 04, 2013 11:47 am

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Wow a lot of.....

I just got information lynched. ;_; the irony

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Post Post #1553 (isolation #63) » Fri Jan 04, 2013 11:50 am

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Moot but **** it, more info the better

Majiffy in those links I provided (I admit I didn't read them when you originally posted because I didn't care, I know my alignment), I don't get where I used mod flavor to justify an unvote. What flavor was in that unvote? I saw no flavor.
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Post Post #1554 (isolation #64) » Fri Jan 04, 2013 11:50 am

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what
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Post Post #1555 (isolation #65) » Fri Jan 04, 2013 11:50 am

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*links you provided, not I provided
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Post Post #1559 (isolation #66) » Fri Jan 04, 2013 1:36 pm

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I seriously thought I got lynched.
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Post Post #1560 (isolation #67) » Fri Jan 04, 2013 1:51 pm

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I'm at a very bad spot though. I'm not a PR either. But that doesn't mean I want to offer myself up in the name of loling at the end when I flip a town card. **** even Majiffy is open minded enough to say "if and only if he flips town". But I do need to grow a pair and defend myself.

"Hop on the Fizz wagon seemed BWy, 6th vote in an 8 to lynch wagon"
- Wagon positioning? So you have a lynch pool of possibly 8 people? That doesn't tell anyone anything about alignment.

"Doesn't imply KMD scum at all, vote in the very next post doesn't elaborate, looks purely like an information lynch."
- To be honest it was a sheep vote.

"Doesn't deny."
- See above.

"Suddenly he thinks he's scum."
- See above.

"Dat really poor retroactive reasoning"
- Confirmation bias.

"Big Yeller Bus."
- Jelly.

"Seriously, this guy doesn't back up any of his votes other than "well he hasn't reacted well". Look at his damn ISO."
- He hasn't reacted well. Reactions are always tells.

"Jumps on me for that shoddy Fe-bussing case. But that's not the interesting part, this is;"
- lol at that being shoddy

"He's using mod flavor to justify an unvote. The fuck is that."
- No idea where you saw flavor.

"And then turns right around and goes for someone I had been pushing."
- Now you're being abrasive. "THESE ARE MY WAGONS, NOBODY ELSE ALLOWED"

"This is not how a town reacts to being voted reasonlessly."
- I am probably one of the least interacted/mentioned people in the game and was becoming irrelevant. All I had are reads other people made.

"Horrible meta case. Probably the closest uct has actually gotten to having real reasons for his vote, but still god awful."
- You just don't like anything I do.
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Post Post #1561 (isolation #68) » Fri Jan 04, 2013 1:52 pm

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As for my voting, PoE

Vote: Nobody Special
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Post Post #1572 (isolation #69) » Sat Jan 05, 2013 12:04 pm

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Bleh this thread is like 63 pages long, by far longer than anything I've ever played. It's hard to catch every detail.
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Post Post #1693 (isolation #70) » Mon Jan 07, 2013 7:21 am

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WHAT THE HECK

JEEBUS

I'm town
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Post Post #1696 (isolation #71) » Mon Jan 07, 2013 7:27 am

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I'd like to lynch all 3 of Majiffy Penguin and NS, but nobody is counterclaiming Majiffy and Majiffy protected Penguin so the only person left to vote for is NS based on what Fe wrote.
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Post Post #1732 (isolation #72) » Mon Jan 07, 2013 10:28 am

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2 pages of posts in 3 hours, let me read hold on.
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Post Post #1733 (isolation #73) » Mon Jan 07, 2013 10:59 am

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I don't think this works as well as you think if you're assigning %s to who to jail. With multiple scum out there, you should have the JK/doc free-roam and force scum to try to avoid the saving-throws.
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Post Post #1768 (isolation #74) » Mon Jan 07, 2013 4:05 pm

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Who to add to my signature, sigh
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Post Post #1769 (isolation #75) » Mon Jan 07, 2013 4:08 pm

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Information lunched but I would be more upset if I was a PR. Now I'm going to stew. -_-
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Post Post #1983 (isolation #76) » Fri Jan 18, 2013 2:01 pm

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LONGEST GAME EVER, wow. 79 pages to get to the end!
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Post Post #2012 (isolation #77) » Sat Jan 19, 2013 8:29 am

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Even though we didn't get truly far, there was enough waffling in this game on all our lunches that made the game entertaining for us. It was a good mix of people.

Harsh on poor Aether though. Even more awkward when people started quitting. Surprising to see Majiffy who prides himself on being abrasive managed to meet someone who could out abrasive him
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