Open 459: There is a New Scum in Town. Game Over Town Wins!

[Maenara]

Caught up. Finding Majiffy vs. Nachomamma as hilarious as always, which is to say not at all. Fe is scum, but I ain't hammering tonight. Don't like Director; think he's sorta scummy, though it may just be contentless town posting.

[Maenara]

Also, Kmd talks way too much about how good the Fe lynch is for someone who isn't on it.

[Maenara]

Maenara, I actually don't like the fe lynch. As I've said, i'd take any lynch over no lynch. However, fizz is the real scum so that's who we should be lynching. Look over my ISO and it should be obvious I think fe is town.

Oh really.

Whatever. We could do worse than a fe lynch.

[Maenara]

Hell if I know. Read some of your past games, I guess?

[Maenara]

No longer like Director lynch. His posting is doing well enough.

Mollie has been agreeing too much with people, compared to what she usually does. Would like to see more activity there, as I know she can provide it.

Not sure about Penguin. Will need to read more closely.

In agreement about KMD, will vote for now.

VOTE: KMD

Don't think basing votes on the 'slip' is worth it yet.

[Maenara]

And now KMD is calling the leader on the wagon on him townish, in the hope that it'll make people reconsider. And he starts a wagon on a completely new person.

Add to this his very questionable talk and hard-to-define opinions about the Fe-lynch, and I am definitely fine with him taking a long walk off a short pier.

[Maenara]

1) I never called majiffy scum
2) 1 vote is hardly a wagon.

And if I was going for the wagon effect, i'd probably go for someone who has been discussed as scum. NS, director, etc.

You're not going for the wagon effect?

So you're not going for getting the person lynched or threatened with a lynch?

So you're not actually using your vote in a pro-town fashion, but only as a way of seeming active?

Yeah, lynch this guy now.

[Maenara]

Hell if I know. I'd like to say Pirate Mollie, but I always think Pirate Mollie is scum, so I'll just go with "No idea" for now.

[Maenara]

Hell if I know. I'd like to say Pirate Mollie, but I always think Pirate Mollie is scum, so I'll just go with "No idea" for now.

Literally the worst response I could have imagined.

Because I couldn't possibly have several contingencies in mind, but none too concrete nor useful to bear mentioning right now.

I see immediately how one could only view it as beneficial to espouse the future lynching of pre-determined targets rather than awaiting people's reactions to a potential lynch and following flip, and utilizing this data in one's assessments.

Surely, I have been blind.

Really, though, get a grip and start being a little bit more subtle about the way you're building up justifications for whoever it turns out to be convenient to lynch tomorrow.

[Maenara]

By my count, you're at L-1.

A reaction would be nice.

[Maenara]

Caught up. Finding Majiffy vs. Nachomamma as hilarious as always, which is to say not at all.

Fe is scum, but I ain't hammering tonight.

Don't like Director; think he's sorta scummy, though it may just be contentless town posting.

Also, Kmd talks way too much about how good the Fe lynch is for someone who isn't on it.

> Wasn't on the Fe lynch himself.

I had just caught up, and I wanted some more interaction with people. Why would I ever have refrained from bussing him if I was scum?

By my count, you're at L-1.

A reaction would be nice.

Attempt to look like the vote was a pressure vote; allows him to slip out of responsibility upon a KMD town-flip.

The hell? No it isn't. I'm voting KMD to lynch him; I just said it because I needed a votecount and because KMD's 'K' was sorta freakin' useless.

Add that to the fact that he's in the Aether slot which has been scummy since the get-go and you've got a prime second scum lynch.

Yadda yadda yadda, how exactly do you propose I defend myself against accusations based on actions that

aren't mine

?

[Maenara]

Yes, that was certainly some fool-proof reasoning right bloody there.

Get that vote somewhere bloody useful or try actually saying something. I'm a wee bit tired of whole kind of mess. Player X looks at my posts, finds something he or she wouldn't do while town, or at least wouldn't think of themselves as doing, and assumes that this is also the case for me. They vote for me. I get two choices - Defend myself or leave it be. If I do the latter, scum gets an easy mislynch and I no longer have a game to be in. If I do the former, well, I'll be damned if people don't accuse me of being scummy for defending my bleeding self.

Do your own freaking footwork and argue for why I should be lynched,

or stop voting for me.

[Maenara]

I'm glad you're actually addressing the points people have brought up against you instead of going off on a tangent.

O w8.

Look at the bloody post I was responding to.

How the hell am I supposed to address "Aaaaaaaah"?

[Maenara]

Look at the bloody post I was responding to.

How the hell am I supposed to address "Aaaaaaaah"?

Fair, but I wasn't just referring to Nacho's points.

Then quote the relevant post where I don't address said points, while speaking to someone who has actually presented them.

[Maenara]

Claim? Why in the name of all that's good and unholy would I claim? Like we literally just established, the only thing I've been accused of so far is twisting KMD's words. Which, by the way, LS & Majiffy, is not a scummy thing to do. I didn't lie about what he said, and I gave him the chance to either elaborate and explain himself, or to dig a deeper hole. No different from any other way of forcing a reaction from scum.

[Maenara]

I'm being voted for gut and for twisting KMD's words to put him on the spot. The latter is not a lie, I did do that (Though I didn't make him out to have said something he hadn't), and the former has that lovely property of being totally unaccountable.

Of course, there's likely to be some scum on me, but I strongly doubt both are there. After all, why not gain town-cred by not being on the wrong wagon?

Like, say, mollie. Who has done a stellar job of asking people what they thought, and why they thought it, and why they didn't think something else, and asking people to claim, and generally doing no scum hunting at all if she can avoid it. Look at her ISO - Tell me when she ain't reacting to people, but instead doing something on her own accord. It doesn't fit her usual play, sir, no it doesn't.

While I'm at it:

VOTE: pirate mollie

(( Doing that never gets old. ))

[Maenara]

Your me vote is bad, so we'll be about equal, then.

[Maenara]

Well, that escalated quickly.

[Maenara]

I've stopped commenting on KMD because that got a bit too muddled, and I need to clear my mind on him first. I haven't stopped reading what he says. As for Mollie, she just isn't behaving the way she usually does.

Also, get your abbreviations in order. How is saying that 1/1 is likelier than 2/0 on a mislynch an appeal to emotion?

[Maenara]

Considered wall-post.

Decided not to.

Considered Majiffy/Director team.

Decided this was too silly.

Re-read KMD's longposts.

Decided that own reads suck.

TL;DR: Will mull further & sheep KMD.

VOTE: UCT

Is good scumblock.

[Maenara]

Just for the sake of argument, this was what I'd written when I realized that I was a n idiot, and heading down the wrong track:

Spoiler: Wall of Crud

...

Okay, listen here, chucklenuts. If anybody is going to tell me I suck, it'd better be my own damn self, or at least some other person not currently riding the express train to Crazy Town.

You want changed playstyle? You'll have your fucking changed playstyle.

Let's take your problems with my previous post first, shall we? "An appeal to emotion", you call it, because I dare speculate upon the scum distribution on my wagon. Because I, in my own words, call it a mislynch. Well, champ, there's a wee fucking problem with that; namely, the fact that

any

conscientious townie would call the wagon on them a mislynch, because that's what it'd bloody be, by merit of them not being scum! "Aha," you might then say, "But how can we know that you're town?" Well, dearie, you can't. For now. But chances are, or at least were, that I might end up hammered anyhow, and if that were to be the case, I figured that perhaps I'd get a few thoughts jotted down before one such event took place, as you'd then, later, know for a fact that these opinions did not, in fact, originate with any person playing as scum - I'd be dead, but I'd also be a confirmed townie, so you'd have that to work with.

Elementary? I dare say, yes.

Now, on to the actual game itself. Let us start with the person whom I am currently voting, shall we? Pirate Mollie, yes:

I thought, at least initially, that she'd be town, if only due to her absolutely ridiculous reaction to the "Daykill", but I have seen almost no investigative scumhunting from her side. "How do you think this person looks?", "I think that so and so", "IMO this is that" and so on, and so forth. There is no substance to her posts, no proper arguments, no solid positions she's taking. It feels as if she's doing her outmost to stay on everyone's good side, which is just not what town ought to. She's reacting to others, yes, but where is her own initiative? Look at her ISO, just skim it if nothing else, and consider what I said.

But fine. If y'all think she's stupidly town, so be it. At the moment, I'm trying to find arguments for anyone being scum, and conversely, for why they're not - Town constantly goes bugfuck insane by focusing on one person, and being unable to ignore them until they're dead. That's good, if they're scum, but more often than not, they aren't. So let us say Mollie is town, then, for now. And let us look at others.

KMD, I believe, has already been covered, so I'll ignore him for now. Nobody Special is hard to say much about, as he hasn't said much himself. I would leave him be for now, and hold him accountable tomorrow instead, for I reckon that will prove far more beneficial. Fe is dead, and hardly merits much comment, and thus we come to you.

You haven't been too consistent, lately. [This is when I tried to find arguments that supported this, found none, decided to shut up and multiply]

[Maenara]

when I realized that I was a n idiot,[/spoiler]

I do not know where that smiley comes from. I did not put it there.

[Maenara]

Speaking of which, I haven't posted here in a while either. Blatant dodge, will post tomorrow when my brain is less full of annoyed and Charles Dickens.

If anyone would be so kind as to sum up the questions for me which I remember me not answering last time, I'd be less likely to miss them when I return.

[Maenara]

I like where this is going. UC, I'm sheeping KMD, and his vote was on you, as far as I could tell.

Speaking of which, as soon as the vote count comes in, I'm on LS. Feel free to count me as a pseudo-vote: Lastsurvivor until then. I like the points made so far a lot, and Lost has been handling his defense extremely poorly. Total mood whiplash, which makes him seem to be affecting it all. Methinks he's scum trying to go for heartfelt townie-posting.

Also, y'know, the whole just-going-with-sheeping-KMD thing.

[Maenara]

Oh. Right.

UNVOTE: uctriton00

[Maenara]

LS is making up accusations all over the place in order to distract people from the wagon on him. In other news, bears are catholic, water defecates in the woods and the pope is wet.

[Maenara]

Well. Good.

VOTE: Lastsurvivor

[Maenara]

Did you have anything specific in mind with your "Well. Good." comment?

"Well. Good. Now I know how many votes there are on you, and can hence vote like I said in my previous post."

[Maenara]

Bluh. So, I suppose I can't do the KMD-sheeping thing now, can I?

That's no cool.

Guess I'll have to read this all proper-like, then.

[Maenara]

Right. So, I still don't like the wall-post of dooms from Penguin, but given that Mastin actually exists on this site, I suppose that can hardly be used as an argument against people. So, since I can't sheep KMD, and my reads are still borked, imma sheep Majiffy instead and follow the flowchart.

No, just kidding. No, seriously, though, I'll sheep him, but it's 'cause I agree on several points. I have bugger all ideas about KMD, but I'm going to accept Mollie, Director, and Bork as town for the moment, which leaves somewhat fewer targets. Of those, UCT simply is the most appealing - There's not a whole lot of activity, selective citing, and, well, his defense of me was abysmal.

I most humbly present to y'all the following quote:

Not voting Maenara today. He reminds me of me when I'm town.

...so, I don't remind you of you in this game?

VOTE: UCT

[Maenara]

Buldermar.

I remind him of himself when he's town.

I'm not like him in this game.

He's basically claiming scum.

[Maenara]

How are you not like him in this game?

That's an ass-backwards question.

How

am

I playing like him?

The whole wording is just completely counter-intuitive for a townplayer.

[Maenara]

Right.

Reading this makes me so glad I don't drink. On the other hand, it also makes me need a drink.

Mollie, Buldermar, Nacho, Bork, Director, y'all can be town for now. Let's get this terribad thing over with.

Majiffy has been flopping for too long, I'm tired of this, etc. etc. etc., he's scum and must die:

VOTE: Majiffy

Questions welcome. Cannae sum up my thoughts on the game without anything to reply to. My brain doesn't work that way, certainly not right now.

[Maenara]

@ maenara
same to you, can you plz give me 2 more scum reads. I am also going with your top 3 town picks.

Bluh bluh.

How's Mollie/Director/Bork sound for town, with Majiffy/KMD (Again, yes)/UCT as scum?

[Maenara]

You want to hear from me?

Well, that's a waste of time.

On that note, reading now.

[Maenara]

Well, I'm more than willing to go with Majiffy being obvtown as an uncced doctor. Duh. Chalk it up to my reads being as downright shitty as usual. Well, then, much as it sucks to have an outed doc, it means a confirmed townie and the elimination of several paranoia-inducing scumblocks. 'sgood.

Now, I haven't been here much, and this game has progressed way more than I thought it would, but I figure that all my reasons for being suspicious of UCT and voting him previously still apply. In fact, I wouldn't be much opposed to voting him just about now. 'fore I do that, though, I wanna know if anyone reasonably townie-like would have any objections thereto. Like, explainable objections. Good reasons and stuff.

Wouldn't advice me as a JK target, for obvious reasons, but that's a bit worthless, saying that, I suppose. Put it like this, though: If I'm scum in this game, there's no way in hell I'd be able to recover from being the last on my team in a sitch like this, where I haven't got a feel for half the players. You don't risk anything by picking another target, other than a bit of extra time, and if we're lucky, we might actually hit the right person.

P-EDIT: Yeah, they're scummy independently of Majiffy.

[Maenara]

Sensible.

[Maenara]

Or like 100/0, so scum doesn't exploit them getting clever. It's like, almost always the case when people gamble, the doctor/jk goes "Oh, I'll just let them think I'll protect", scum sees through it, and woops, dead cop on N1.

Let's not do that.

[Maenara]

Yeah, but you're unlikely to persuade whoever is the JK to run a RNG, and people way too bloody often try to get clever. Meh, doesn't matter too much, just make sure the confirmed townie stays alive 'till tomorrow. Well, and beyond, but you know what I mean.

[Maenara]

Actually, that is exactly what we propose. We want the JK on Majiffy if UCT flips town, unless I've gravely misunderstood things. And that would, indeed, lock down the doc. We want the JK on someone else if he flips scum.

P-EDIT: well, Bork said it too, except jailing me is stupid but meh.

[Maenara]

Well, look at it from my point of view. I have bugger all reads to contribute, so "saving" me is needless, and I damn well know that I ain't scum either, so it won't catch any that way.

Anyhow, I sitll say the percentage deal is stupid, and I hope others agree on that.

[Maenara]

VOTE: UTC

Here we go again. L-1.

Also, Bork, no.

[Maenara]

Would someone kindly explain yesterday in sane language?

[Maenara]

See, this is why I kinda didn't want me protected and stuff. I haven't got much useful to say. Penguin sounds good, though. I'm fine with sticking to this plan; it'll lead us to victory unless we all fail completely.

VOTE: Penguin

[Maenara]

Well I'm also cool with sheeping Maenara.

Dude. Look at my reads in this game. You'd be better off sheeping our foreign minister, and he doesn't even speak the language.

That aside, I think it's plenty clear which people we oughtn't lynch, and which are fine to lynch, but in case of scum not having realized these, let's not mention them. Go-go quicklynch.

[Maenara]

Pity's sake, Penguin. If you're convinced that Buld is scum, help us lynch you and choose him for tomorrow's popcorn. Then you, Buldy, can pick KMD. It doesn't have to get any harder than that.

[Maenara]

Boys

.

Sorry, I just like saying that. I imagine myself as McGonagall, even if I'm not the biggest fan of the series, and I don't know if she's actually ever said that in a stern, iron-fisted matron-like voice.

Anyhow.

The mod probably knows about it by now. If you think she doesn't, PM her. Again, probably. For now, il y a this here game, non?

We're popcorning. We're doing this because we can afford it. By all means, if we're in LyLo or MyLo, let's stop. But we're not, yet. At the moment, I say we continue this here game, and not solely because I really don't want to read Penguin's posts when it comes to deciding who's scum.

[Maenara]

Welp, looks like we won. Well, yay.

Knew I wasn't likely confirmed, but I thought that drawing attention to the fact would probably be a bad idea.