Open 459: There is a New Scum in Town. Game Over Town Wins!

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For pretty much the same reason as Fizz, looking is hard work.

VOTE: Breakfast Its my least favorite meal of the day.

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Highlight of the first 5 pages

Oh help me please. ;_;

Aether, link any two recent scum games and two of your more recent town games. No ongoing.

Apparently he has none.
He got modkilled as a townie. >.>

Gah, I hate being a townie. Not only do I have to wait for four days just for night to be over (Like, WTF?), but I also have to read 30+ long pages which probably could be summarized in one wall.

Really? Is it that just me to whom that sounds so much like a scum-slip...Even if not, he could be a very volatile townie especially in the endgame. I mean short attention span... (also note Aether/director scum team)
UNVOTE: Breakfast
VOTE: Aether LET THE LIGHT SHINE THROUGH YOU!!!

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it's more the implication that if he's still paying attention to this game implies that he has something to do at night. That's my interpretation of it anyway

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I may of forgotten that there were town PRs....
That was where I got my scum slip from.

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Thats kind of un-called for don't you think? No matter who you are refering too.
While not necessarily a scummy tactic, insulting other players just puts you in a bad light for the rest of the game
(Also this is the game Declan is referring too )

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more.

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But yes I understand, I'm just of to bed now (it's 4am local time) and I'm busy tommorrow but I'll try and squeeze something in at about 8 o'clock this evening or on Sunday morning.

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Hi all I just want to apologise for not posting anything Recently, I'll try and catch up but I've been really busy recently. If I can't catch up I'll replace out (If you Mod, I can try and find a replacement? )

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I am really sorry for your loss

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@Majiffy, I am about halfway through so far and hope to do some more tonight

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Quite slowely given that I have other things on

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D1 post #16, and Breakfast is already looking for an easy lynch, this leads to Fizz’s response, KMD’s (#22)anylasis which causes much of the early day one wagon. Fizz’s response to NS’s #27 is just terrible. I mean, come on, of all the ways he could of said no. But since this would look like a Mafia who is not comfortable with lying and this game is all about lying, im going to but it down to inexperience. Penguins late jump on the Fizz wagon in #38 is suspicious to say the least, (also if Fizz is scum look at either Majiffy/Declan for possibly trying to divert attention elsewhere). Aethers jump on Fizz’s wagon (#39) is vaguely understandable coming from the fact that obviously he doesn’t want to see his own lynch thus goes on the biggest one going.
Them there is a couple of walls going on with KMD asking questions and Fizz slowly getting himself tangled (i.e. #44) and the fact that he is very kean to make sure that everyone thinks well of him. Pirates invade in #50 and sort of soft-defends Fizz with his join-date, a practise that is generally not a good indicator of skill. NS try’s to DayKill the border, and she goes on the defensive, before realising she may have been a little special. I personally think this is more of a scummy vibe given that how quickly she goes on the defensive. TheDirector gets personal and wishes NS to be gang raped, I put this down as a town-tell as no scum would really want to annoy a townie this early in the game.
Then the Director seams to go about his mission to suspect everyone in the game, I would have to put this down as a scum thing as they don’t want to be specific about what they are doing, so they have every reason to think that scum could easily just keep on changing their reads (#67, #76 etc.). Then Aether turns up and is a distraction for (#84 - #113) during which time, Majifiy gets massive town points for his consistent application of pressure despite Aether being really unresponsive (e.g. #87) Majifiy defending Fizz in #106 and Kittens #107 again show both Mala and Majifiy in a very townie light. However #110 by Fizz, shows scum getting rather panicked by a day 1 lynch (although I have seen people as town do the same, it normally comes from scum). Then in #120 I make a silly mistake and we get quickly stopped by Kittens.
Declan’s suspisons in #132, seams odd given that in the games I have played with him he tends to be quite active as town (sample size = 1) Again penguin comes in with a half-assed case in #12², and pirate seems to defend Aether in (#149), possible buddying as scum to townie in order to seem townie when he flips town (ashuming that he wasn’t one of her scum buddies that is). Aether carries on being Aether and KMD despairs. Bork pops up without much content (yes I know I can’t talk) Declan starts to post more, and Majifiy requests replacement #173. Then Aether gets force replaced hurrah! Then fitz replaces in and out (Im quite glad of this, fitz and fizz could get confusing).
Town adjusts themselves and I get suspiouns, I would like to know why of all the lurkers N6 thinks I am scum but other than that bork seams to be sheeping n6. Penguin comes and shows not much really. #236 last survivor shows up and starts actively scum hunting, but then holds out his reads, very weird. Then Majifiy starts quoting lyrics, exciting stuff. Uct / KMD possible early bussing attempt? (#246) N6 gets town points for decoding Majiffies post.

Thats what I have got to so far (I didn't want to post till it was complete but nevermind) And P.s. its less monitoring more I get an email every-time someone posts so I know when to check it.

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i have been working on that since Sunday night. the fact that I posted minutes after you was because you told me to post what I had. Secondly you told me to post what I had so I did. I didn't bother to polish it at all. Therefor really what you are voting for is not my alignment, its purely how I interpret things and right them down to myself... If you would like to explain why what I have started is stupid and what I can do in order to get better at it, then please do, I understand that I'm only relatively new and as such have quite a lot to learn and improve my methods. However just throwing a couple of buzz words and dismissing it entirely is not going to help in anyway shape or form.

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I can answer that question myself with another question.

If a player thinks that they may have to replace out due to not having enough time to commit to the game do you think it's fair to give the mod of said game a warning?

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Im pretty sure Im not completely retarded and I wasn't intentionally blurring the lines which makes it seems more like your are intentionally restricitng the options to make my seem worse than I am. That isn't necessarily a scummy thing to do, I have done a little digging into his meta and come to the conclusion that this my just be a play style thing, but i oculd be something more.

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I wasn't taking it personally I found it quite funny how annoyed he seemed to be. It was more pointing out that it just seemed to be used as a way to dismiss what I had worked on.

@KMD it's a may and a could.

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I don't see it as an Inherently scummy thing to do though. The point is to basically cause scum to slip up and admit to something they didn't mean to, which I think is not a scummy thing to
do at all. Yes its a poor way of doing it but it can work.

Also I would more than happily go toe to toe with you, except that I don't think yours scum so why would I try and get a lynch on you? A bit of a dick, defiantly, buts scum I don't think so.

In terms of my work how exactly does it dismissive itself. How would you go about it differently?

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(I should probably point out my "town-points" i gave to number six weren't real, I cant see any reason whats so ever why that would have any indication of alignment)
Also happy birthday Majiffy, that is all.

I might post some more actual content when I have time, other than that. Lastly, just in case anyone is interested:

Unoffical Vote Count

Number Six (2) Breakfast, Fe
Breakfast (1) Borkjerfkin
Fizz (3) Number Six, Kmd4390. Lastsuvivor
Nobody Special (1) Pirate Mollie
Fe (4) the director, uctriton00, Majiffy, penguin_alien

Not Voting: Malakittens, Fizz, Nobody Special

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I'm back sorry been a little busy over the past free days
firstly, Vote counts = easy and quick , analysis =hard and long.

Secondly those were my notes, why do I have to be serious. If it seems to not make sense then its probably not intentionally serious. e.g. why would being familiar with the songs of Seal be a town tell....

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Im a Gnu don't hang me from a tree...

Anyway I claim VT, just wanted to continue the ryhme
Anyway,

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The rational behind the vote count was so that I could see how my lynch building, nothing else
And I could synthesis my notes but my laptops dying so tommorrow evening maybe. Until then,

Town

Majiffy: Definate leader, seems almost certainly town, constant pressure makes it seem like
Nobody Special:
Kmd4390: Yes he doesn't post much but when he does I like it.

Neutral

Number Six: Didn't like his slot when it was Aether and his lack of anything really since his replacement has ment that I really dont have much to go on.

(not complete)

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TOWN

Nobody Special

TOWN?

Last Survivor
Penguin
KMD
borjkin

SOMEWHERE IN THE MIDDLE

Number Six

SCUM?

the Director
unctrion
Majiffy

SCUM

Fizz, disapeared at slightly too convienient time in my opion
Breakfast

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Noooo...
*sends hypnotic message*

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1. A couple of my earlier posts had reasoning
2. Borkjein => More just a gut than anything else, generally his posts do seam to have come from a town mindset, see #336, his wilingness to throw suspicion at Majiffy when at the time no-one else had to mean makes him at least for the time being townie,
(posting before hammer)

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(Also I should probably point out that my reads whre done in groups, the position of someone in that group is null)
But I don't like how you are just taking control of the town under the automatic assumtion that 1. You are 100% town, 2. You are 100% right. Its bugging me.
Penguin posts are few and far between, he looks like he certainly cares about the state of the game. He generally puts a lot more into his posts than I do at anyrate.
NS just seams town, I dont know why just accept it.

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KMD his refusal to jump onto a bandwagon which in my opion has little or no backing/ sense to it, strikes me as town. His willingness to not follow the crowd and not care what others think is to me a very town way of playing. Why would scum want to draw attention away from themselves in such a way. I mean Majiffy does it but when he does something you know about it , where as KMD just quitley gets a long with himself. Do not lynch him, give him cookies instead.

Number Six, well so much to say about this slot, nothing that hasn't already been said.

theDirector, like a terrrible magician he appears then disappears, out of all those on my wagon he seams the most scummy after fizz.

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unctiron00 nothing much to be said really, comes off alright it was a pure gut thing to be fair. (#388 seams town but then his reasoning in #318 is terrible)
Breakfast, just nothing. Generally Nothing.
UNVOTE: N6
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@Majiffy, yes we all know our own roles and we all are town. I was thinking about the game during a lab session and I realised that I really should go back and look into you further. Why? Well considering the large amount of influence you seam to have over the town, it is only right that you should be scrutinied, after all if you are scum, then thats not going to look too good for the town. So I was re-reading and just play style for example in #146 it appears that rather than making a halfway decent case (you literally just pointed out he missed some questions) the majority of the post was

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Seriously, if you aren't Aether, you post after this, and you aren't voting Aether, you're fucking scumclaiming.

Here to me it looks like you are bascially forcing players to choose, restricting the options, which acording to one of your posts (#368). I mean there are far to many times that you have used this tactic, I know i tried to defend it but looking back, man it is so bad... Why would scum do it, to make town think that is only one option (the other is phrased in such a way that on one would admit to it).

@Nacho, I dont know to be fair I want to say Fizz just out of self-preservation and his disappearance (and is avatar) is very fishy, I would like more from him but he is currently under quite a lot of pressure. Looking at the other players, the Director certainly seams like a good lynch to me, (Pp-edit Case coming, wanted to respond to Majiffy)

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@Majiffy. Firstly what I was meaning is that when I make notes they are generally serious but occasionally they contain non serious points, I ashumed that tjhey would be obvious that they weren't serious and people would ignore them. However you seam to be making far big a deal out of it that it really should.

Secondly my first post was just a gut post. My next one was after I had time to re read through and make decent opinions. The fact I used the same reason just means I realised that you are actually quite scummy.

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Thats the hammer me thinks.

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I think that was the best decision.
Sorry penguin and uct, I left you with too much to do.
Well played to town, you deserved the win.

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There were moments when it looked like she was going to pull it off and it was beautiful...

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Even if the lynch hadn't gone through I cant see that day lasting long....

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Also LOL at mearna bring cleared because the kill went through....
Also it's not even the longest Mini /Open game D: