Mini 1398 - Game Over!

[absta101]

@Mod: Can you message everyone the day start please. I didn't get one.

[absta101]

Vote: JMO

OMGUS votes this early on, hmm?

Lmao, I saw someone had voted me, but I didn't care. I just went picked out a name in the list. How does that happen?! XD

I also don't believe this.
VOTE: jmo

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Not obvscum. Why would he lie about that as scum?
He's obvscum if someone can prove that he thinks OMGUS is a 'good' scumtell (via meta). I'm just assuming he thinks OMGUS is a good tell.

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Not obvscum. Why would he lie about that as scum?
He's obvscum if someone can prove that he thinks OMGUS is a 'good' scumtell (via meta). I'm just assuming he thinks OMGUS is a good tell.

My logic is that he got a vote on him for OMGUS, and then he tries to defend himself saying that is not OMGUS when it very much so looked like it was. I thought he was lying and town has no reason to lie about an OMGUS. You seem to be implying this is illogical. Mind elaborating?

(Nevermind my question, I didn't think it through properly. He would lie as scum if he thought OMGUS was a scum-tell.)
We both agree he looks scummy and this argument about using the word "obvscum" is pointless IMO.

He's either town telling the truth or scum who thinks OMGUS is a scum-tell. He's most likely town if he can prove (via meta) that he doesn't believe in OMGUS as a scum-tell.

For the record, I very much so dislike the "I was high when I posted that defense." Because there's very little way to verify that or not, as it is out-of-game information.

I agree.
This is why i'm voting him. Being drunk should have no effect on who you pick 'randomly' (assuming you did it randomly) so why mention it?

More people should be voting jmo.

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if he thinks that lying about omgussing makes jmo obvscum, why was he only voting him "for now", and why was he happy to switch over to iceninja when that wagon started looking more popular?

Disturbed definitely looks scummy as well. I'll have to look through some of his games before I support the waggon on him though.

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@Jmo

Because when you're drunk, you don't notice things. I simply found a name in the player list, and obviously disturbed one popped out.

So what if you don't notice something? You picked "randomly" so being drunk didn't matter.
What would have happened had you not been drunk?

I don't see OMGUS as a scum tell.

Have you ever expressed this in one of your town games? If so, provide a link.

Absta: you're stuck on thinking an OMGUS vote is a scum tell? Why wouldn't a townie who is offended by the vote want to vote back?

Yes, town also OMGUS. I'm voting you because you lied about picking randomly.
The fact that you brought up being drunk makes you look worse.

[absta101]

VOTE: Disturbed

Hit a wall with jmo, i'd be okay with a lynch of him.

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@username

- Why does it have to be in his own words?
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@Disturbed

His latest post seems to be backtracking a bit. "Why wouldn't I want to place an OMGUS vote?" But I thought you said you didn't place an OMGUS vote?

This isn't what he wrote. Can't tell if you're trying to misrep or you made a mistake.

Where did you get this from? (quote it)

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Yeah seriously!?! Thanks for catching that absta. I never said that D-:<

Jmo seems town for this.
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@Disturbed

- I think I see what you mean, however:

His latest post seems to be backtracking a bit. "Why wouldn't I want to place an OMGUS vote?" But I thought you said you didn't place an OMGUS vote?

This last part looks to "catch him out" on a contradiction you created yourself by re-crafting his sentence. The part you were referring to was him trying to say that "there is town motivation to OMGUS", hence why he doesn't believe it's a scum-tell. (?)

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@Disturbed - Who have you played with before in this game?

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@absta what is your read on ICEninja and iamausername?

Also, do you now have a townread on jmo or are you still willing to lynch him as you said previously?

Lets get the lurkers to post please:

Dire_Drenz
Shamrock
RedRabbit
Nachomamma8

These are the names I don't even remember seeing ever.

Null and null, I haven't looked at them yet. I like Iceninja's most recent post though.
Jmo is a leaning town read due to the post I quoted.
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@Hawk

I guess what I'm wondering is if he has any actual investment in the argument, or if he's just tossing bones out there to watch how Disturbed and Jmo react.

None of this sounds scummy. Why do need the answer to this?

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@Dun

- I agree with some parts of it.

I agree with your post #124.

UNVOTE:
What do you think of Bacde?
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@Dire

Honestly I'm being a really lazy town, apologies for not participating more.

I just haven't had anything to contribute intellectually speaking with the whole aimless discussions over jmo.

I actually forgot my reasoning behind voting iamausrname from before. I'm pretty bad at this.

Vote for me if you really want to, but I am town.

If you're town, replace out now. You obviously have no interest in helping us.
You're on my lynch-list otherwise for policy reasons and the fake bs that I bolded.
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None of this sounds scummy. Why do need the answer to this?

Never said it was scummy, just wondering if it was intentional.

Wait, if it's not scummy, why did you bring it up?

Shamrock seems like he's pretending to be surprised. Instead of just "why did you bring it up?", he adds the unnecessary beginning part to make it seem like he's genuinely caught something.
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Classic Dunhamganger.

This is an interesting interaction between Dun and Mirhawk. Not sure of how I read it yet.

This seems fake. Will be keeping an eye on you.

[absta101]

Nothing to say other than I don't think he's read on you is genuine.

What do you mean by "nice find"? It's not that good and now your reaction looks like budying.

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I like my 'find' on Shamrock more. What do you think of his post?

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@Bacde

@absta I'm glad you noticed me. Whats your read on Mir and Dun?

Mir is suspicious for that awkward question but not scummy. Dun is a slight town read due to the post I agree with.

@absta have you ever played with Dun before? What about my post seems fake?

I would expect town to 'pick a side' or elaborate on what's interesting about the argument (say something). You did neither, it looked like you were sitting on the fence trying to look like you were somehow investigating.
Otherwise, it was mostly gut.

I don't like the fact that you asked me (your town read) this question instead of Disturbed (your scum read) who agreed with my " nice find". Town are interested in catching out their suspects when they bs, you show no interest in that.
VOTE: Bacde

[absta101]

Replacing out, good call.

Either way, my poor play only helps the scum and that's the last thing I'd want.

Town read.

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@Nacho - Why are you voting Bacde?

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@absta I'm much more interested in hearing the opinions of people I don't expect to lie to me.

Why would town-you want to (really) know why your post seemed fake when you know it to be genuine? I can see scum wanting that information so they could avoid making the same mistake again (or other reasons), but not town.
Town-you would interrogate Disturbed by instinct IMO.
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@Nacho

Saying that he found jmo town and disturbed scum but overall found the argument to be scumvtown felt to me that he was posturing to push jmo for scum after Disturbed flipped, which was especially scummy because he went for one popular mislynch (disturbed), while defending the other (jmo), but allowed for an easy flipflop after the first mislynch.

I noticed this as well.
Your reasons are good and I believe your town.

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Shamrock, dude, I know it sucks that you drew a scum PM but seriously you should take a break from prod dodging here to help us out by bussing your partner, thanks in advance.

Why are you voting Bacde?

What do you think of jmo?

[absta101]

Bacde is obvscum. Let's see if this head can find our notes.

jmo is very likely Town. And we have Townreads on the full Bacde wagon, funnily enough--we're looking for the third scum at present.

Why is Hawk town?

Also, that's bs. Looking for the third scum? No town is that confident.

[absta101]

Looking forward to those notes.

[absta101]

L-1

Bacde should probably give his reads now.

[absta101]

absta why are you being so useless this game. (ha ha hypocrisy lol)

Why is this question helpful to you (considering you're being useless)?
I've played two games with you, one scum, one town. I wasn't 'useful' in the town one so which game are you referring to?

[absta101]

UNVOTE:

VOTE: Ice
Your last post was a bit over defensive.
I need time to look at this slot more.

[absta101]

Well i've just learned that bodyguards are usually town. If he's alive tomorrow we can make a decision on wether to lynch him or not.

I forgot about Shamrock... I'll vote him if he looks more scummy than IceNinja in my re-read.

[absta101]

UNVOTE:
IceNinja seems town although i'm noticing quite a bit of fence sitting coming from him (he mentions that he's "unsure" a lot).
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Shamrock is L-2, i'll let the replacements talk before voting him.

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That was from an ISO read.

[absta101]

@Jabb - Back off Bacde for today. Question his reads tomorrow.
You look worse for that push.

[absta101]

Need to look at the Username guy.

[absta101]

That makes some sense. Okay.

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@Bacde

- I see Disturbed as town atm.
I don't see why Nacho changing his read on Bacde is scummy. I've pushed a lynch (hard) on town as town before.
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@Username

- Other than post #70 and #73, you don't talk to/interrogate your suspects directly. I tried looking through some of your previous games to see if it's your playstyle, but i'm still unsure.
Is this behaviour playstyle? If so, please provide links to some relevant games.

This is you trying to convince town your suspect is scum instead of trying to figure out (by questioning) if your read is correct.
Post: #37, #105, #112, #236.
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@Nacho

Why are Username, Hawk and me (possible) scum?

[absta101]

Nacho what you waiting for.

I've got an intent to hammer.

[absta101]

@Nacho - Answer my question in this post.

[absta101]

@Nacho - We'll see about that.

[absta101]

@Nacho - Actually, why are you refusing to answer my question?

[absta101]

Intent to hammer within a hours.

[absta101]

I agree that cheery looks bad as well.

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fe*

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few* (FFS!)

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Sorry for prolonging this.

VOTE: Shamrock

[absta101]

It's possible scum were on the Disturbed waggon but Shamrock's lynch was inevitable. They could easily have been on Shamrock's waggon.

@Hawk - Is it true that Bodyguards can't be with doctors?
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I agree that Ice is prob town.

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@Cheery - You aren't voting me, why?

[absta101]

There's no Vig, there was only one NK.

@Ice & Bacde - Why are you two talking about Vigging?

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Also, vigs often no-kill

I didn't know this.

@Ice - That makes some sense.

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@Nacho - Actually, why are you refusing to answer my question?

because my reads will change depending on what shamrock flips and what happens during the night
there's no reason for me to explain my secondary and tertiary reads now

Explain your vote on me and answer my question please.

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@Jabb - Your vote on Melmond isn't a placeholder anymore, what happened?

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If you think I'm scum I want to hear what you think of me voting for the same person as you?

It probably means he isn't scum. Blah. I'm conflicted about him anyway.

Unvote

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Not liking this.
Surely town-you would consider that Bacde could be bussing?

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distancing*

Were's Nacho at?

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where's*

sorry

[absta101]

Mod, prod Nacho?

[absta101]

@Nacho - I'm focusing on you and I need your answer. If I had a scum read, i'd obviously be voting them. Stop prolonging this

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Iam is a gut scum read. But gut isn't worth talking about.

@Ice - Who'd you protect N1?

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"I've just learned bodyguards are usually town." What exactly did you mean by this, absta?

Recent scum game. There was a watcher, a vig, a bodyguard and a double voter. Town were angry at Shos (vig) for killing the bodyguard.

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Bacde is trying to throw WIFOM at the Melmond wagon like crazy, which makes me much more interested in hopping on.

Unvote
Vote Melmond

It's possible he was buddying to make it look like they were buddies. Voting based on WIFOM is wrong.
What else makes Melmond scum?

[absta101]

Assuming we have both a doctor and a bodyguard, what scum roles are possible? Scum JK?

[absta101]

who'd you protect N1?

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So if Bacde is town, Ice dies by way of scum kill anyway.
Scum JK Bacde and kill Ice.

@Ice - You said you were gonna die at night (anyway). If your role 'confirms' Bacde scum, why did you need to claim?

[absta101]

Good point Ice. I'm for a lynch of Bacde as of now.

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ICE's point increases the probability of him being town. His point means that one of Ice or Bacde is scum. If Bacde was town, Ice-scum would die.
VOTE: Bacde

[absta101]

L-4 (for reference).

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@Jabb - What do you think of iam?

[absta101]

GG all.
Thanks to the Mod for an awesome game.

This is probably my best and favourite game so far. I had Shamrock and Bacde as scum reads before the claim. Iam was gut.

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@Nacho - Thank you.

Also, gj to Ice and Jabb.

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anyway i have essentially zero chance of victory and i'm kind of hoping the vig just kills me now to put me out of my misery