Gay Mafia II: RIDE THE LIGHTNING (Game Over)

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sup fags

VOTE: Pretentiousdra

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DGB attacked Gammagooey.

Gammagooey activates his trap card.

DGB's move is next.

This battle is intense.

this post hnnnggggggg

VOTE: Om

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I can support a Zoidy wagon.
I'm obv testing the waters first to see if anyone else is joining before I do.

my vote is well-placed

also, ythan is town

also, dgb is probscum

also, princeton hydra is annoying

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haha what's got you so butthurt?

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this is a surprisingly autismal reaction from you

which head am i talking to?

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fyi on weekdays I tend to post in the evenings and for a small window of time mid-afternoon

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Frankly your reaction is so priceless that I want to continue provoking you.

You think Om is scum or what? He's on your list.

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That's a list of fuckaduck lurkers and Om of the nom, because despite not lurking he doesn't provide CONTENT.

What's the purpose of posting this list at this point in time? The game literally started yesterday and you're already calling vig targets? It's a large theme, we're probably going to ride this day out until near deadline. So I don't see any reason to start throwing this kind of thing around so goddamn early unless you're looking to score townpoints or to seem like you're pro-town by riding on people who haven't posted that much. It just doesn't make sense.

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oh and DW here's my long and elaborate reply to you:




lol

great explanation scumbag

VOTE: Pretentiousdra

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So looks like I didn't miss much, just Om being transparent as fuck. Saying you'll give your thoughts and maybe it would be repetitive but you're not checking and oh wow what a shocking outcome is just a bad attempt at looking like you're doing something.

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lol @ the wyrd flash wagon, I want to join it just for the lolz

however at this point there are quite a few scummier people, like om or pretentious or possibly zoidberg.

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VOTE: Om

I'm a few pages behind, but why the fuck not lynch Om? All pretentiousdra annoyance aside, Om is pretty solidly scum. Zoidberg and DGB are acceptable runners up.

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VOTE: Pretentiousdra

lol nope

you better explain your shit son

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unvote vote wyrd

Delta why the Phydra vote right then?

I'm not a fan of arguments that boil down to "trust me"

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Things have been busy at work but I plan on getting to this game this weekend.

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I'm in the process of reviewing that hydra QT. As of right now, it does look like they manufactured the case against Wyrd.

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Can anyone explain to me real quick what the deal with hog is?

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I'm just really behind. I'll ISO Thunderhog.

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I don't see TH's "careful" post as meaning anything. I can see that sentiment coming from town or scum.

Kise, weren't you guys wishing for Wyrd's death?

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http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 5#p4555995 overjustification of a vote. will get empire to meta check zoraster on this. feels weird based on zor!town I've known who seems a bit lazier than his scum self

Zor was pretty obviously responding to my question about TH.

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DW, Iece. Ez pz, maybe zor too but let's cut the snake head off. Iece should go next. I'm more sure about DW and Iece with their fuzzy "what vote TH for? hmmm may join so you see me on the wagon postflip VCA and all"

I asked what the case was, wasn't persuaded by it, and didn't move my vote. How does that translate into wanting to be on the wagon for postflip VCA?

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I do find icerink's "i dont know about TH but I'd lynch him at deadline" statement to be fairly incriminating though.

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In what sense did DGB try to deflect the TH wagon? You mean calling gooey's vote a shitvote?

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In what way is it similar?

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As it stands, any of these people are vote worthy: Om, OD, JS, possibly Pdra.

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Did you miss the part where I got hugely behind and only caught up now?

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Yeah the JS vote looks like a bus. That wagon materialized so fast that I'd venture that some hard bussing went on.

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VOTE: JacobSavage

This is the obvious choice for today.

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here we go

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MOAR CORRECTIONS

UPDATE

LEANING TOWNZ

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One Direction (Faraday/Empire hydra)
Ythan
BT
Slumberpartybois (MattP/kanyeknowsbest hydra) (their following Quilford-scum's vote is not good)

LEANING SCUMZ/NEUTRAL

Nobody Special - actually, I'm too lazy for "neutral" category but should be neutral.

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TheTrollie (not liking mutual ignoring between THog & Trollie)

lol

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is it in dgb's townmeta to implode like this? y/n

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you know, if you are town, going down in a ball of flames while pointing the finger at the people who voted for you isn't going to help one bit

fyi the pattern thing is hilarious

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hey look at that, jacobsavage is reading the thread. how are you jake?

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JS is the play today.

On an unrelated note, how did you sleep last night Ythan?

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DW you gotta bus one of your people, man.

If I was scum I would have bussed the shit out of TH. That was a nice, fast, juicy wagon when it comes to bussing.

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p.s. look at JS's spot on the TH wagon and his reason for casting his TH vote.

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NOW IT'S TIME FOR "FUN FACTS ABOUT JACOBSAVAGE" HOSTED BY DELTAWAVE

1) he wrote post #1172 (his L-1 vote on Thunderdoug)
2) he is posting in other games but not this one
3) he /in'ed for another game instead of posting in this one

add it up

that is all.

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wat

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Yeah that JS read list pretty much seals the deal for me.

(1) Look at the justifications he gives for his town reads compared to his scum reads. His reasons for townreads are much more thought-out and detailed, while his reasons for his scumreads are short and weak. This is a common problem with scum; it can sometimes be hard to invent scumtells on people you know to be town, so those scumtells are thrown out in passing and for weak reasons. I'd argue that a JS scumflip strongly suggests Zoidberg town.

(2) He spends far more time and effort on justifying his town reads than his scum reads; that looks to me like scum trying to shore up support. Townspeople actually want to lynch the people they find scummy, so they put at least some effort in pushing the wagons of those they believe to be scum. Instead he's trying to get backup here as he half-assedly pushes Zoidberg.

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I like to spend more time looking into people that I think are town. That narrows down the pool of people who I think could be scum then its just finding what i can get from their posts....

Link me to an instance where you did a similar thing as town in a previous game.

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Which bit?

Are you going to respond to me or not?

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"things I already do as scum"
"hey guys I've never drawn a scum PM"

I want to lynch you more and more

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om what are you doing

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also where's ythan at?

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fml catching up with this shit...

ill start working on it tonight, someone wanna summarize the JS case?

JS waffled on Pdra all D1 and then finally hopped onto Thunderhog's wagon as spot #12 out of 13. The reasoning for that vote was extremely poor; he basically sheeped into the L-1 spot on a scum lynch. He twiddled his thumbs with P-dra until he realized that his buddy was going down. Interestingly it may be that JS scumbuddy or scumbuddies were not on T-Hog's wagon, and he felt that at least one of them should have been.

I also took issue with his read list in 2054. He gave detailed reasons as to why he thought certain people were town, and barely any reasons for his scum-reads. I take this as scum having difficulty inventing scumtells where there aren't any. Also, as an attempt to shore up support by spending more time on townreads in hopes that people will back off.

On top of that, he made a suspicious meta remark in 2066: "You're continuing to point out the same things that I already do as either side... "

When pressed on it, he claimed that it was hypothetical because he hasn't drawn a scum PM. (2071)

Then when pressed further, he revised his excuse and then said that he was referring to a time he was SK. (2076)

I think this is more than enough to lynch JS.

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hnnnnnnnnnnng

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JS is going to be the lynch today. He's backed himself into a corner hard and the people on the Zor wagon are eventually going to come around to this.

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I have read the game and zoid is consistently scummy through out. Jacob is just bad at mafia and flailing.

HYPOTHETICALLY what could Jacob do that would land him in the scum column for you?

He hopped on a scum lynch in a prime bussing spot with a prime bussing reason after expressing little suspicion, he made a shifty as hell meta remark and he's dodging direct questions about it.

Like what could he do that would make him scum in your eyes?

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let's say your proposed lynch doesn't pan out, would your feelings change?

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doesn't pan out as in, flips town

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DGB is onto something here

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DGB is onto something here

And you certainly aren't with JS.

prove me wrong

show me a game where JS has done the read thing I was complaining about

JS sure can't, even though he says it's something he likes to do

so if you're going to white knight him, show me something

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DGB has been goodposting lately

Focus on JS

possible TBM

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so you think js is town or what

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people aren't lynching JS and this is making me depressed

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TBM, what are you on about? I've stated the case against JS a bunch of times in an attempt to convince people to join the wagon. Do I have to show you post numbers?

OD I think you're lying but I'm not sure why

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srsly?

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yeah you tell em, elton

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I've had a gut scum read on Ythan for a while. Glad to see some confirmation of that.

VOTE: Ythan

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If Ythan doesn't flip scum then Pdra is dead as shit for faking a guilty.

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If Ythan doesn't flip scum then Pdra is dead as shit for faking a guilty.

He can say he was bus driven or some other nonsense.

In that case, it's far more likely to be a lie. The only other alternative is that scum got incredibly lucky on N1.

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Fate what are you on about?

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VOTE: Ythan

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homos

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cool

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i got nothing

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ngGgcnJL5G4

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wait when did spb claim watcher?

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lol really spb?

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did this go down in the hydra qt or did I miss something?

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dont be fucking stupid dram.

What did you do N1?

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dont be fucking stupid dram.

so all you're willing to claim is that you're a dreaming god who watched p-dra N2, that ythan visited him, and nothing more?

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this claim came out of fucking nowhere and i'm trying to get a grip on what's going on, so either confirm or deny

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so just confirm or deny already jeez

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so how did p-dra know that you were a dreaming god before you said anything in the thread about it?

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Haha I really wish I had read that QT in detail. I see where he claimed it.

P-dra, want to claim your guilty before I start taking massive dumps on the scumteam?

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The problem with SPB's claim is that it's totally bullshit. I'm a dreaming god.

VOTE: SPB

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My flavor is that I'm literally God and I have a Zune that contains seventeen Elton John songs. I can force one person to listen to a song each night.

N1: Targeted Ythan with "I Feel Like a Bullet (In the Gun of Robert Ford)" because it sounded like it would kill him. I got no indication of what happened. There's a possibility this did the governor thing next day but I'm not sure.
N2: Targeted Wyrd with "Postcards from Richard Nixon." This was a watch ability. Nobody visited him.
N3: Targeted The Butt On Men with "Your Song." I don't know what this did.

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Correction: 18 songs, not 17

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I don't see the need. He didn't die, and I didn't get a PM that would indicate an investigative ability, so he was probably protected in some way.

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In the last Gay Mafia game, Reck allowed the mafia to pick a role and he would write them a fake claim with no guarantee that it would be counter-claimed. My guess is that SPB picked dreaming god.

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So Quil vigged Om or Jacob, then mafia bus drove P-dra to Om.

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I mean drove to OD. Goddamn it.

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hm

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goddamn it's taking forever for sbp to figure out what to do

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Wyrd:

1. Nobody visited you on N2. That's a fact. You should examine why you think you were bodyguarded. If this is because of something someone told you in the hydra QT, then they are lying.

2. I said "i got nothing" in response to P-dra's post 2257, in which he asked if anyone wants to claim anything in regards to his cop investigation. Not sure why you see an inconsistency here. The only reason I claimed when I did was to counter-claim SPB. It would have served no purpose for me to mention that I might have caused the Ythan thing, since it's over and done with. Similarly, there was no pressing reason to deal with the BG theory.

3. I highly doubt that there are two dreaming gods in this game. Either way, if I was scum, it would be stupid for me to counter-claim SPB. I wouldn't fake a counter-claim just to take out a dreaming god and die the next day as obvscum.

4. One more thing: he's claiming to have a watcher ability, you really think there are two dreaming gods with the ability to watch in this game? That could potentially bust the game wide open in a big way.

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Also, I actually do have 17 abilities. I counted wrong.

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It's possible that some bus driving happened on N2. My response PM said my target wasn't visited, not that Wyrd wasn't visited.

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Also, didn't see the votes were reset.

VOTE: SPB

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It sounds like Zoraster is saying that my flavor is plausible because he's Lucifer. Being Lucifer would imply God is also in the game etc etc

Also, apparently God is a lawyer due to the Esq. suffix on my role name. My character was also a lawyer in Gay Mafia 1 (Shirley Phelps-Roper) so I chalk this up to Reck being cheeky.

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I didn't catch the dreaming god claim when I first read the QT. I did a ctrl+f search on "Wyrd" to see what people were talking about in the QT. I thought the rest was noise.

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SPB doesn't want to claim any additional visitors because all he knows for sure is that Ythan visited P-Dra, given that they're on the same team. If he tries to guess, he'll more than likely be wrong. SPB obviously didn't expect to be counter-claimed here. He probably thought that given his claim in the hydra QT, he'd be safe from that. Well, he underestimated my ability to ignore large walls of text and now it cost him.

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Well I think what happened is that he claimed dreaming god in the QT on Day 1, and nobody CC'ed him then, so he probably thought he was home free.

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by the way, i only know we have a God, not who the God is.

Also keep in mind SPB's fake-claim flavor. Apparently he's John Waters, who is not only not a God but in fact a gay filmmaker who is still alive. Doesn't jive.

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Not to mention SPB's posts 2606 and 2611 in responses to me trying to pin him down on the dreaming god claim:

2606: "what are you looking for here."
2611: "answer should be pretty obvious."

These are evasive responses. If I claimed day 1, and someone later asked me if that was all I was willing to claim, I'd say yes. But he's all hesitant and unsure of how to proceed because his claim is made up.

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UNVOTE:

Temporarily unvoting so we don't finish this day off too fast. I want to know what I did to the butt on men.

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I wonder if Betty White is a ninja.

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There were no duplicate roles in Gay Mafia 1. What mod meta are you referring to?

The 17 abilities doesn't mean anything to me. In the last Gay Mafia game, reck allowed scum to pick their fake role and he would formulate flavor for them.

I doubt that there are two roles that can use watcher abilities.

P-Edit: I don't think you have a watcher ability at all.

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If SPB flips town then by all means lynch me tomorrow.

Do you think I would really fake a counter-claim with two mafia already down? Come on. That doesn't even work for wifom purposes because there's no advantage whatsoever in doing this. There's probably 3-4 mafia, so that would mean I'd be either throwing the game or intentionally committing suicide and leaving one buddy out to dry. All to take out a dreaming god? No way.

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Because I decided that someone was scum over the night phase, that means I'm scum?

Let me guess, Trollie is scum along with SPB.

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I'll be pretty busy all day so if I do get lynched, then I expect SPB to be dead within an hour on the next day.

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-DW claimed D1 that Ythan was probs town.
-DW later claims that N1 he used an ability on Ythan that he thought would kill him.

Yeah, I said that Ythan was town in my

second post of the game

which was made

within 24 hours of the thread opening.

I used an ability that I thought would kill him

TWO WEEKS LATER

during the night phase.

Do you realize how absolutely retarded this argument is? "He claimed D1 that Ythan was town and then tried to kill him in the night herp derp inconsistency" is just bullshit since it omits the

very relevant fact that two weeks passed between these bullet-points

but you try to play it off like it happened one after the other. That's a colossal misrep.

VOTE: SPB

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I'm heading out now, so keep this in mind: if I'm lying about SPB, then that will be obvious if we lynch SPB and he flips town. Killing SPB is the right move here.

I'm not scum: at the start of this day, I was nowhere near getting lynched. I don't think I had even more than a vote or two on me since Day 1 (not going to check). You think I would give that up just to suicide on SPB and get 1 town for 1 scum? I could see that being plausible if I was under mega-suspicion and it looked like I was going to die anyway, but it makes no sense under these circumstances.

Also, keep in mind that zoraster's flavor confirms mine. If I flip scum, then that means Zor would be probably be scum with me. There's probably not more than 4 mafia in this game, so do you really think that I would out the entire scum-team just to kill SPB?

I have a feeling that town is going to lobotomize themselves anyway, but I might as well throw it out there. If you want to ignore all of the above because "omg delta said ythan was town but changed his mind two weeks later, let's hold him to his very first reads of the game forever" or "herp derp delta was happy that his 100% super strong gut read was right so let's lynch him" (in relation to my comment about hoping to kill Ythan), then fine. It's just idiotic and hurts the town to ignore all reason and try to hop on ridiculous "scumslips."

I understand that Special Dan is still butthurt from an argument we had D1 but that doesn't excuse the rest of you.

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sorry dan

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Well delta, not all gambits are destined to work...As for pressure today, there was myself and kat who brought you up, maybe more, and as I said you had to counterclaim spb now or never. It's weird you were skeptical he could be watcher...We can all see you called ythan town early in the game, BUT you never made mention of him being scum despite wanting to kill him. I know you weren't nervous that ythan would chew you out (?) since some of your posts show confidence when making cases against others. So how long were you going to keep this secret suspicion of ythan? And again, what made him more kill-worthy than your other 4 suspects? It sounds like Jacob would have been the guy you put a bullet in, but thats just what I would have done as townyou.

My read on Ythan was purely a gut read, so I felt like arguing it would be a waste of time considering that I thought (hoped) I could kill him at night.

It turns out that the songs apparently have nothing to do with the ability they're associated with. Too bad.

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His D2 post don't make it sound like he just tried to kill Ythan.

Well, yeah. You think I'm going to claim for no reason?

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Zoidberg: No it's not.

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I wanted to see what he would say. But it has nothing to do with letting on that I tried to kill him.

It was possible (as far as I knew) that the ability I used was some kind of inventor-type ability instead of a kill ability. If by some luck of ass, I gave him a one-shot vidge (check the song title), I wanted him to come out with it. If I asked something like that, and if I indeed gave him something like a one shot kill, he'd have to claim it because he'd think I was an inventor and that I intentionally handed it to him. If that was the case we could minimize damage by directing his vidge shot.

At the time, I was under the impression that the title of the song had SOMETHING to do with a gun. When he didn't die I figured it might have been that it gave him a gun. Only later did I realize that the song titles have completely no bearing on the actual action.

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/s/title of the song/ability attached to the song

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This makes sense, only question I have though is what made you change your mind on ythan?

And iece's 2824 makes it pretty clear that if ythan had become your number #1 suspect, you weren't acting that way come D2

Something about Ythan's posting style seemed off. It was purely a gut thing. I didn't mention it on D2 because "his posting style seems off" is too shitty a case for me to expect to turn into a lynch.

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I KNOW RIGHT

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can't even describe it but it was definitely off

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Question: Are Dreaming Gods allowed to re-use abilities or is it a list of 17 1-shots?

All abilities are one shot. I originally wanted to use my watch on P-dra last night, but was told I couldn't.

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Oh man I hate DGB/Fate arguments

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Well when did someone corroborate SPB's claim?

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I'll state some thoughts:

1. It's weird that the VC reset and the vote threshold went down by 2 after I counter-claimed SPB. I don't know if that was some townie using a power to decrease the lynch threshold because he believed SPB to be scum, or if there really are two dreaming gods and scum wanted to help an SPB lynch along. But given the nature of this game, it could have been random or triggered by some not-so-apparent event. This is null.

2. The wagon on SPB after my CC was primarily myself, zoraster, DGB, and dramonic. The DGB counter-wagon was led by Wyrd, SPB, Kawaii, TheTrollie.

3. DGB and TheTrollie bailed their wagons to go to Wyrd.

4. The Butt On Men wagon consists of P-dra, Zoidberg, Kawaii, Mini-Librarian, most of which were not on any of the main wagons for the day.

5. Not sure what to make of 2 through 5, but I'm sure this will come in handy for VCA later.

6. If anything, the DGB wagon looks like an obvious counter-wagon to SPB and the TBM wagon looks like a compromise wagon pushed mostly by people who don't know what to do about the counter-claim situation.

7. I never enjoy Fate/DGB arguments because they run the same way every time regardless of alignment.

8. If the SPB lynch doesn't pan out, I'd support a Trollie lynch. Trollie has been fence-sitting as hard as possible while Wyrd and DGB duke it out.

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So can someone explain to me the DeltaWave/SlumberPartyBois counterclaim scenario? I'll be your best bud.

My role is Dreaming God. SPB claimed Dreaming God in the hydra thread on D1, which I missed because I only skimmed the copy that was posted for things relating to Wyrd. Today, P-Dra referred to SPB as dreaming god, after which I counter-claimed.

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Apparently all the hydras are in a QT together. Someone posted a log of the QT up until that point on D1.

My flavor is that I'm God, who has a Zune that contains Elton John songs. I can make one person listen to a song each night.

N1: Played "I Feel Like a Bullet" for Ythan. No effect as far as I could tell, but it might have caused the governor thing to happen.
N2: Played "Postcards from Richard Nixon" for Wyrd. It was a watch effect. It said nobody visited him. I was either redirected or Wyrd is lying.
N3: Played "Your Song" for The Butt on Men. I got no PM back from the mods, but TBM confirmed that it made him use his power twice last night.

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N2: Played "Postcards from Richard Nixon" for Wyrd. It was a watch effect. It said nobody visited him. I was either redirected or Wyrd is lying.

Did you get these results, or someone else?

How does a "no one visited Wyrd" result translate to Wyrd lying?

I got a PM from the mods saying that nobody visited my target.

What I said to Ythan on D2 likely made scum think I was an inventor, so they probably redirected me to one of their own in order to get my baubles.

Someone apparently DID visit Wyrd and left him a golden girls video.

Something also tells me that Wyrd would want my bauble, so if Wyrdscum exists, then they'd be likely to redirect me to them. But they didn't.

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by the way who the fuck is bella?

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oh yeah

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yeah they redirected me for my baubles

you scum fuckers

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everyone is trying to steal my baubles

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I think I was redirected on N2. I visited TBM on N3.

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To be more specific, I visited Wyrd with a watcher and nobody visited my target. But Wyrd says he was visited by Bella, which would explain the Golden Girls video. It's possible that Wyrd is not telling the truth though.

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It's possible that my "hey Ythan how'd you sleep" comment was interpreted as me being an inventor. So they'd want to redirect me to one of their own in order to get my baubles.

The only problem with that line of logic is that I don't know if whatever I did to Ythan resulted in an item being given. It could have very well been a doctor protect as far as I know, and the governor thing was someone else.

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!!Also!! why does DW know exactly what his N2 song did but has NO IDEA about N1 or N3?

Because I got a PM from the mods saying that nobody visited my target.

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Nope.