Gay Mafia II: RIDE THE LIGHTNING (Game Over)

[ThunderHog]

So, I go to sleep last night while this thread is still locked. I wake up in the morning to the thread open and SIXTEEN pages of posts. So, I naturally did what anyone else would do...

- First, I slapped myself in the face to see if I was awake. It hurt, and there were still 16 pages... Crap.

- Second, I started reading. By the time I got to page 7 or 8, I started commenting to myself about how useless everything I was reading truly was, so I got up and got a bowl of cereal, then came back while eating and started to read.

- Then the time came until I got to page 13 or so and I actually started getting the feel of I'm reading something than means anything. I did actually learn quite a bit from my reading too. Considering I've only completed one game on this site, I'm kinda happy I was even invited to this shindig.

Anyway, here's a list of things I learned.

-

I absolutely hate hydras, period

. I find them to be completely pointless and actually hurtful to the game itself. The game of Mafia is about your role - only you are supposed to know your role. However, if there's two or more of you, it kinda breaks that rule. Henceforth, I am going to treat hydras as one person. If I see inconsistencies between points that a single account on this forum is making, I will NEVER accept "but someone else actually posted that" as an excuse. You all have the same role and therefore the same motivations. If that's how they are actually treated anyway, then I'm glad I understand them. If not, then call me an asshole. Don't care. All this, 'sign your posts' crap is exactly that - crap. Know now that inconsistencies will be attacked - therefore, don't have them.

-

ythan has no sense of humor

. Although his content was useful and I do get a town read from him, every post he has posted in this thread has been dull and boring. Lighten up, dude! This is a party!! *dances*

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Never unvote without placing a vote somewhere else

. I'm not exactly sure why Kuribo and Kawaii got all buttsore

(heh, gay joke)

about Quill doing it, but I've witnessed what happens when one does said action - therefore, lesson learned.

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Vote: BT

Drench's post 385 is my reasoning. Two posts, two inconsistencies. Make up ya mind, brotha. Which is it?

p-edit

: Hello OD.

[ThunderHog]

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Never unvote without placing a vote somewhere else

. I'm not exactly sure why Kuribo and Kawaii got all buttsore

(heh, gay joke)

about Quill doing it, but I've witnessed what happens when one does said action - therefore, lesson learned.

I have no idea what you actually think of Quilford here.

That's cuz I never said, therefore your confusion is warranted.

@Thunderhog: Think you been doing bit too much slapping, because I've yet to mention Quilford at all.

My apologies. It was Kuribo and Vollkan. I've never played in a game this large before - I guess it's a lot easier to mess up names.

[ThunderHog]

To those who seem to want answers... ythan seems to want a little more of an explanation. Alright then, I'll give it.

As much as I currently dislike him - simply based on the fact that I think he's annoying - much of my opinions lie with the agreement of Pretentiousdra. Post 424 is a big one, IMO. It builds an entire case against BT with only a single sentence - one that makes much sense as well.

Also, since BT has inquired on my thoughts of Quill, I'll be kind enough to give them now. I didn't see anything wrong with what Quill did. I, myself, am also a very cautious voter so I sympathize with it. The specific reason in this particular case as to why he chose to do what he did I believe are insignificant. His random unvoting while seemingly anti-town are not pro-scum.

In my opinion, Kuribo and Vollkan over reacted to his actions - and thus 3 pages of this thread were spent trying to build a case against someone for something small. I've noted this by the way, and because of this I have scum leans on both Kuribo and Vollkan.

@ Gamma: I believe this game to be past the point of RVS, so I'm assuming that you have a reason to place a vote on me. Would you be kind enough to share it with me?

@ ythan: Yes, the cheese does stand alone... But the meat, on the other hand...

[ThunderHog]

Hadn't you already placed your vote before 424?

Yes I did. I had also stated my reasons for placing the vote in the first place in the same post that I placed it. Post 424 simply cemented it.

@thunder- would prefer not to, sorry friend

Well, if you insist...

I took one quick look at ThunderHog's posts and I've already given up on trying to read them.

Awww, but why?! You make me sad...

@BT and Thunderhog: What are your opinions on each other?

I'll explain my whole case, if'n ya don't mind...

- I initially placed my vote due to Drench's post 385. It makes a great point which I agreed with completely.

- Move to post 421. BT tries to subtly hop on the Quill wagon with crap logic. P-hydra's post 424 addressed this issue - which cemented my vote, IMO.

- BT's post 475. He attempts to address me stating that he was

not

trying to build a case against Quill, when, in-fact, he was. Ythan's post 483 addressed this as well.

BT has been completely inconsistent nearly this entire game, and it's rather blatant.

On another topic, as I'm typing this very post, Wyrd has a flippin' train run on him for no reason whatsoever. Then again, assuming he's gay, he'll love it. I'm not completely sure why, but I feel the need to give my opinions on it.

I will not support a wyrd-wagon

(say that out loud - it's funny)

. My reason being is that he's said nearly nothing this whole game - three posts total I believe. Nothing he has stated is scummy - I'm not even completely sure what sparked it in the first place.

Now, if we want to start a P-hydra wagon - I'm in. It's true that I do have a town-lean read on him, but this entire thread would be so much more bearable were he not in it - and in a game this large I'd be willing to sacrifice a town-lean for a much better rest of the game.

I have my vote placed on who I believe to be the most scummy at this point, and I'm not moving it until that changes.

P-edit: @ Kuribo: Despite my not-so-town read on you, I would support you if a Zoid wagon if it were to arise. You are not alone in thinking that Zoid is a scummy moron.

p-edit 2: Geez guys, shut up so I can post!!! As much as I think BT is scummy, I'm soon going to be willing to move my vote to Zoid. I'll readdress my case against BT at a later date if need-be.

[ThunderHog]

Yeah, this post can die too.

Huh?! How can a post die? Not sure

exactly

what you mean...

Bad.

If this is what you were trying to say Kuribo, then now I understand. Could've just went all caveman and said it like this...

p-edit 2: Geez guys, shut up so I can post!!! As much as I think BT is scummy, I'm soon going to be willing to move my vote to Zoid. I'll readdress my case against BT at a later date if need-be.

Soon but not now?[/quote]
Good point.

Unvote: BT; Vote: Zoid

[ThunderHog]

If this is what you were trying to say Kuribo, then now I understand. Could've just went all caveman and said it like this...

Let me calm my shit and explain in more civil terms.

I dislike the idea of stringing up a town read "for the greater good" of the town. There are always scummier targets than someone you think is town but annoying.

Ahh, much better. Also, I completely agree. In the same regards, I have absolutely no intention of

starting

a P-hydra wagon. I simply stated I wouldn't be too disappointed if one were to arise and become a reality.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: BT

This argument between Kuribo and yourself isn't really my business, at all. However, I would like for you to explain why you would even consider making this switch in your vote at the current time. I mean, I agree with it entirely - I'm just trying to understand where you're coming from here.

@ ythan: I lol'd.

P-edit: @ gammagooey: I lol'd harder.

[ThunderHog]

You could join the illustrious ranks of DGB the [removed]-lover, Drench the doesn't actually think we're scum but hasn't been online in awhile, DeltaWave and JacobSavage the dumbasses!

Doesn't that sound enticing?

Not in the slightest.

You guys can still argue about lynching Fate tomorrow if you want.

NO IT HAS TO BE TODAY

NOW

Why?

[ThunderHog]

Striking thing about each your three reasons above is that in every one, you refer to other people's posts to support your own arguments. Insecure, much?

Insecure? No, not at all. I've just never played in a game this large before - not only that, but I'm lazy. It's kinda hard to produce something new and original when there's a bunch of other players trying to do the same thing. So, yes, if I find something that I genuinely agree with then yes I'm going to use the words of others to place my vote. Why should I simply repeat something that's already been said without quoting it? Seems pointless.

Can we kill this monstrosity?

Pretentiousdra

95

Hence, my reasoning for being ok with a p-dra wagon.

No scumhydra, tell me why I'm being wagoned

REAL reasons, none of this "tehee this is the cool new wagon kids" bullshit

I want it on record so you cant just go WHOOPSIE tomorrow

I second this. I'd like to see this responded too.

In a correct fashion by the way, just to specify.

OD why are you being so useless?

thunderdog had been viewing the thread for a while. plz don't call me useless again or i'll be super fucking upset i'm trying rly hard here to catch some scum

- I'm a slow reader. My apologies. Not only that, but I'm not skimming - I'm actually reading.

- It's Thunder

H

og; not Dog.

[ThunderHog]

- Move to post 421. BT tries to subtly hop on the Quill wagon with crap logic. P-hydra's post 424 addressed this issue - which cemented my vote, IMO.

There was no wagon to hop onto.

Ahh. Honestly, didn't see that. Really thought Vollkan and Kuribo, who had just got done grilling him for a small thing, were both voting him.

Either way, it wasn't very difficult to use their arguments to try and start one.

- BT's post 475. He attempts to address me stating that he was

not

trying to build a case against Quill, when, in-fact, he was. Ythan's post 483 addressed this as well.

I wasn't talking about my case. I was talking about pretentious's. Ythan did you get this wrong too? It didn't seem like it.

Noted.

BT has been completely inconsistent nearly this entire game, and it's rather blatant.

Show everyone my blatant inconsistency. Now.
If you're referring to the first two posts STILL then 1) you're bad and 2) I already explained this horrible inconsistency because really it wasn't.

Thank you.

Can we kill this monstrosity?

Pretentiousdra

95

Hence, my reasoning for being ok with a p-dra wagon.

No your reason was that he was annoying. Posting a lot =/= annoying but apparently it is?[/quote]
Ya see, IMO, it actually does. There is no reason this game should be 35+ pages in and less than a week open - the fact that this game has been filled with barely anything more than pointless fluff is what's annoying to me. So, yes, in this particular case, posting a lot does equal annoying.

Compare to Zoid. The Zoid v Kuribo argument wasn't annoying at all - that was actually entertaining. While it is true that it was a good chunk useless fluff that took the shape of violent insults (that's the entertaining part), it actually took the game somewhere (that's the non-annoying part).

The crap that p-dra does is nothing more than fill the game with useless posts that make little to no sense. The MOST annoying part is the fact that all of the useful stuff that he HAS said are, in fact, pro-town.

[ThunderHog]

Unvote

Post-psychotic explosion, Zoidy is actually starting to be useful and making sense. I'm not quite convinced on OD wagon yet - since it seems mainly to be based on metagaming information that I don't know, considering that I've never played in a game with any of the heads of said hydra. However, the WIFOM argument that OD is retaliating with is getting kind of annoying.

Dunno why anyone wants to lynch DW either. I don't see scummy, I see bad player. Then again, I'm one to talk, huh?

BT's stoicism is convincing me of his towniness. A scum provided with the kind of BS that I threw at him would be actively trying to cut my head off. It's true that he's currently voting me, but the fact that he's been quiet for this long and not trying to get more people on my wagon is what I'm going on here.

As for P-dra - I simply hate him. It's completely 100% personal too, therefore I have no reason to put a vote there other than the fact that it would simply make me feel better considering that it's all I can do to express my hate towards him / them.

Other than that, well you have a brain, don't you? Use it.

[ThunderHog]

(1) Large theme
(2) Reck game

(3) NS has basically fessed 3rd party

(4) A hammertime alternative wincon

I'm assuming multiball until proof I'm wrong.

Wait a minute... In reference to the bolded part, did you mean "NM", or did you actually mean NS? If you meant NS, can you point out where, cuz I'm not seeing it...

I mean, NS said he was town and that his blatant sarcasm was 'role-related'. No where did he mention third party...

and...

If you actually meant NM, then why can't NM just be a town with only hammers?

I've already started falling behind in this and finals are mon-thurs so I'm anticipating it's only gonna get worse, so

V/LA til Friday

Aren't you a hydra though? You're telling me that both / all of you are V/LA until Friday? I find that rather difficult to believe...

Other than that, have some one-liner and random reads:

OD = Town lean - I really don't see why there are so many votes there.
NM = Town slightly-further-than-leaning - Despite low post count, actually seems to be scumhunting. Seems to be one of the only ones too...
Kawaii = An arrogant jerkoff. I'm gonna put you in the same column as P-dra.

Since Iec seems to demand I place a vote, I'm going to put it right back where it was before.

Vote: Zoid

[ThunderHog]

I've already started falling behind in this and finals are mon-thurs so I'm anticipating it's only gonna get worse, so

V/LA til Friday

Aren't you a hydra though? You're telling me that both / all of you are V/LA until Friday? I find that rather difficult to believe...

No it isn't. Why would you think it's "rather difficult to believe"?

Isn't the definition of a hydra the fact that there is more than one person using that single account? How is it that all of them have to have the same exact V/LA time? Just doesn't make sense to me.

NM = Town slightly-further-than-leaning - Despite low post count, actually seems to be scumhunting. Seems to be one of the only ones too...

I know you said random reads but why Nacho? And why is he the only ones scumhunting? Why is he scumhunting to begin with?

Did you not read posts 1754-75? Long, elaborate posts with not a single ounce of fluff. Not hiding a thing and giving detailed reads on a decent majority of the main posters.

Since Iec seems to demand I place a vote, I'm going to put it right back where it was before.

Vote: Zoid

Why did you unvote in the first place?

Because after the Zoid-splosion that took place God-only-knows how many pages back, he actually started calming down and making sense of things. However, he hasn't really done anything really scummy since - I replaced my vote using precedents.

Since Iec seems to demand I place a vote, I'm going to put it right back where it was before.

Why are you acquiescing to Iecerint?

Is there not a little icon under his name that says, "Best Town Performance"? I figured one isn't simply handed that title, so I simply thought that if someone with that title told me to do something where could I go wrong in following it?

Now, I know that that title has absolutely nothing to do with his current alignment, however what harm could come from following a simply command such as that? One that can be undone just as quickly as it was done...

I honestly considered replying to the comment with, "No." However, I figured that that would put me under even more criticism and suspicion than simply complying.

Also, in regards to you guys getting all buttsore over it - like I said, can just as quickly be undone.

The above comment extends to Gamma too. You can take your "TH IS SCUM" posts and stick em' in your ass.

On a personal note

: I'm getting lost in the gigantic pile of BS that is the game thread. I feel absolutely no motivation to read through it, cuz I know that there will just be 8-10 more pages of nearly useless posts the next time I get to read through. It's been getting a little better as of the past day or so - only 2-3 pages which was completely reasonable. However, as for going back and actually digging through the shithole that I now call the game thread, I simply just can't bring myself to do it.

I like to think that I'm participating more than some people, but maybe that's where I'm truly making my mistakes.

[ThunderHog]

It's him voting not because he thinks its a good idea
not voting because something else has happened to make it better than before
but because he wants to appease someone else.

Just about every newer scum player does this because it is their number 1 priority to not get voted and doing what other people tell them, regardless of whether they would ordinarily think it's a good idea or smart or is the right play to make as town, will give the other person less of a reason to vote them.

Thunderhog's not doing it to make a point
he's not voting because he thinks it's what he SHOULD be doing
he's doing it because someone else TOLD him to and he doesn't want to piss them off and get voted or get attention because of it.

Alright then, prick, if everything you say here is true - then why is this acceptable?

Hey guys, other head checking in. I've been following the game and talking with Faraday about what's been going on. Been busy with this take home exam due in a couple of days but should be getting a post detailing all of my thoughts in soon. In the meantime, though, you're going to have to deal with Faraday's

trolling

good company.

(Vote for BT or vollkan please.)

Or this...?

DGB you break my heart.

Did you go take a bite of Fate's scumcake?

p.s.

you should vote him if you didn't.

Or maybe this one...?

Also I think that Thunderhog is scumz and

you should vote him

. I guess I could point to the post he just made but I dislike the earlier ones more so go look at those instead.

Not gonna lie, that last one made me laugh.

Based on your very own logic, if anyone were to "acquiesce" (as Zoidy so kindly put it) these requests, they should be attacked and voted for simply because someone else told them to do it - and if you're gonna tell me that it's a contextual issue, in that case EVERYTHING comes down to a fuckin' contextual issue and you're an idiot for suggesting it.

So, enlighten me o' seeker of scum, what's the difference?

[ThunderHog]

So, enlighten me o' seeker of scum, what's the difference?

One is them asking people to vote for someone. The other is you voting because you're told to.

Secondly, you already admitted you have absolutely no reason for voting; you just did it because "best town performance" told you to. There's a difference between that and joining a wagon if your reads are in agreement.

One of them is

asking

? Pardon me, but I happen to have some knowledge in proper English and grammar, but I don't see a single question mark at the end of any of those sentences. Not a single one of them is a

question

. Try again...

I am lacking in motivation and direction right now, someone please give me something to do by the end of the day to help me regain effort.

I'm in the same boat right now - I know the feeling.

Is there not a little icon under his name that says, "Best Town Performance"? I figured one isn't simply handed that title, so I simply thought that if someone with that title told me to do something where could I go wrong in following it?

Now, I know that that title has absolutely nothing to do with his current alignment, however what harm could come from following a simply command such as that? One that can be undone just as quickly as it was done...

I honestly considered replying to the comment with, "No." However, I figured that that would put me under even more criticism and suspicion than simply complying.

Also, in regards to you guys getting all buttsore over it - like I said, can just as quickly be undone.

This could totally be newbtown too.

It's a matter of deciding if his recent tiny ragepocket is town or scum and I'm not actually sure at time of posting.

I'll tell you what it is. It's frustration.

I'm trying to at least be somewhat helpful, but all I seem to be doing is digging myself a deeper hole. What's worse is that I don't even see it until someone pokes in and slams me for it. Which, in turn, builds frustration.

Because after the Zoid-splosion that took place God-only-knows how many pages back, he actually started calming down and making sense of things. However, he hasn't really done anything really scummy since - I replaced my vote using precedents.

ThunderHog+5

So, you unvote because he is less scummy. You admit he hasn't been scummy since then. And then you revote because a player who once got a "Best Town Performance" award says so?

What the hell is this "+#" crap that I see you posting every now and then? You're the only one I've seen doing it. Is it role related or something?

I've already started falling behind in this and finals are mon-thurs so I'm anticipating it's only gonna get worse, so

V/LA til Friday

Aren't you a hydra though? You're telling me that both / all of you are V/LA until Friday? I find that rather difficult to believe...

No it isn't. Why would you think it's "rather difficult to believe"?

Isn't the definition of a hydra the fact that there is more than one person using that single account? How is it that all of them have to have the same exact V/LA time? Just doesn't make sense to me.

why is this a big deal to you? what does it say to you about our alignment?

Absolutely nothing. I simply asked you a question. I like how you so conveniently dodged it though and threw it back at me. So, tell me, if you're so V/LA like you said you are - why did you respond?

I've already started falling behind in this and finals are mon-thurs so I'm anticipating it's only gonna get worse, so

V/LA til Friday

Aren't you a hydra though? You're telling me that both / all of you are V/LA until Friday? I find that rather difficult to believe...

No it isn't. Why would you think it's "rather difficult to believe"?

Isn't the definition of a hydra the fact that there is more than one person using that single account? How is it that all of them have to have the same exact V/LA time? Just doesn't make sense to me.

why is this a big deal to you? what does it say to you about our alignment?

I mean this alone is enough reason to kill him

Pushing a Hydra for being V/LA, but pushing it like a scumfuck "I find that rather difficult to believe" is all kinds of horseshit mudslinging language

Unvote:
Vote: Thunderhog

What do you mean pushing? I didn't

push

anything, I simply asked him a question. Oh, wait, I get it! You're a hydra too, aren't you?

Sorry, can't have these newbies going around questioning the function of hydras, can we?

(also hey he's the first one voting Thunderscum and that ain't no bus)

And how are

YOU

so sure of this? You do seem pretty confident - you must know something that we don't.

UNVOTE: Zoid; Vote Wyrd

[ThunderHog]

Is there not a little icon under his name that says, "Best Town Performance"? I figured one isn't simply handed that title, so I simply thought that if someone with that title told me to do something where could I go wrong in following it?

Then why do you not follow our reads just wondering?

I'm sorry, who are you? Since you actually used the term 'our', I'm going to assume that you're one of the hydra heads of Iec - if I'm wrong correct me.

I don't follow them because I don't remember them. There's so many damned people in this game, I can't seem to keep track of anyone. Want my opinions? Direct me to the post.

One of them is

asking

? Pardon me, but I happen to have some knowledge in proper English and grammar, but I don't see a single question mark at the end of any of those sentences. Not a single one of them is a

question

. Try again...

Fine, you pedantic fuck. One is telling people to vote. The other is voting because you're told. Either way they're still not even close to the same thing and you're just nitpicking for no reason. The presence or absence of a fucking question mark makes no difference.

Well, I'm sorry to burst your bubble but it indeed does make a difference. You're simply rearranging the same exact words into ways that make them sound different. You're putting a whole color system to something that is simply black and white to try and prove a point that doesn't actually exist.

Also, I'm nitpicking for a damned good reason. I'm nitpicking the very logic that you're using to justify your vote on me. Dare I say this, but try again... but please, try to keep the name calling to a minimum.

What the hell is this "+#" crap that I see you posting every now and then? You're the only one I've seen doing it. Is it role related or something?

The

+X

numbers are "scum points" on his personal scum scale. It's his attempt to be transparent. This was already explained in-thread like 40 pages ago.

I note with great interest that you avoided addressing his point.

I apologize for missing the Legend to the map of his mind in the giant clusterfuck of spam that infected this thread like 40 pages ago. Also, the answer to his question is simply 'yes'.

Also note that I had already addressed my reasons as to

why

I did it. To reiterate, it's simply something that can just as easily be undone therefore I saw no harm in actually doing it.

(also hey he's the first one voting Thunderscum and that ain't no bus)

And how are

YOU

so sure of this? You do seem pretty confident - you must know something that we don't.

UNVOTE: Zoid; Vote Wyrd

Please quote instances of Wyrd being scummy. Be specific and explain why you feel it is scummy.[/quote]
He's scummy in the fact that he seems fairly certain - beyond a shadow of a doubt certain - that Gamma is town. There's only one way he can positively know that on day 1 - and that's be scum.

Not only that, but wasn't there like 8 or 9 people that voted for Wyrd "like 40 pages ago"? I don't see you questioning any of them... Hell, if I remember correctly the first vote on him was simply based on nothing more than, "He's scum, get him!!!"

No quotes, no reasoning, and yet no questions asked...

This comment also extends to Gamma for questioning my vote on Wyrd.

why make such a big deal out of it then if its not telling you anything about our alignment?

Despite the fact that I have actually asked you three questions now, all of which have gone unanswered, I will continue to placate your inquiries.

Actually, I simply asked a question. If you had provided a simple answer in the first place, it wouldn't be a big deal. However, you seem to be taking very careful consideration to turn into one. Why is that?

VOTE: ThunderHog
I swear he looks like he's trying to word his posts carefully. He's way too cautious imo and he's making lots of excuses. Plus his vote on Wyrd is way too opportunistic to come from town, it sounds like newbscum.

Damned right I'm trying to word my posts carefully! I got damned-near shanked a couple pages back for wording my posts 'incorrectly'. You bet your ass I'm being careful now.

[ThunderHog]

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