Gay Mafia II: RIDE THE LIGHTNING (Game Over)

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LET'S GO CRAZY CRAZY CRAZY WHEN I SEE PAGE 16

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vote OM OF THE NOM

i haven't read all the pages but i'm just voting now because i'm a cool guy who thinks he's found scum and just can't WAIT to get them lynched so voting immediately is something i can't stop myself from doing

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Vote BT

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vollkan's posting now

+2.3

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hey thunderhog

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stop being a cunt actiondan

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Quilford+3

The wagon was early game fluff/content-generating-RVS and in no way likely to lead to a lynch. So, you didn't need to balance those factors at all - the risk of lynching town simply didn't arise.

why is what quilford said scummy

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man vollkan's whole line of enquiry really sucks actually

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but i'd have to live in america to do that and obama is like the anti christ so

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enquiry is fine in BE anyway

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hmm.

HMMMM.

Unvote, Vote: Thunderhog

lol

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wow BT

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It's scummy because it was plain untrue that pretentious was in danger that warranted HOLD ON UNVOTING TO SAVE LIVES, so it's a detail that's there to credit the unvote. Wouldn't have been as bad if he didn't consistently back it up (instead of, say, admitting he was wrong) vs Kuribo.

^ that's a kind of shitty reason

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nah this is me. i had the same initial reaction as you but then read it again and thought it was pretty town

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hm a bit early to say he's like korlash who's posts i doon't like reading. he's a newbie right gamma? i thought his brutal honesty and the way he came across was pretty genuine and townish

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om of the nom just took the most popular reads from the thread it seems.

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Every single post of Nacho's is basically a soft claim. He's still town though.

explain why nacho is town

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answer my question properly

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Every single post of Nacho's is basically a soft claim. He's still town though.

explain why nacho is town

Yeah I don't see town motivation behind such obvious breadcrumbing.

there is. he said 'he's still town' which means he doesn't find the breadcrumbing town but something else. i would like to know what this something else is. om is going to give me a fucking stupid answer i can already tell

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no that's fine stop posting for a while thanks

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i mean that's a pretty easy way to BS a read b/c it's unspecific and psuedo garbage but it's also probably true so w/e

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You misunderstood me. I was saying I don't see town motivation for Nacho's breadcrumbing.

nah I got what you were going for it was just kinda w/e. well there's less scum motive anyway.

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i have trouble at being specific because i glaze over everything and generalise the fuck out of my reads.
comes with having terrible focus from my adhd

yeah i know but i don't care i guess w/e your answer was fine anyway

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Hey guys, other head checking in. I've been following the game and talking with Faraday about what's been going on. Been busy with this take home exam due in a couple of days but should be getting a post detailing all of my thoughts in soon. In the meantime, though, you're going to have to deal with Faraday's

trolling

good company.

(Vote for BT or vollkan please.)

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Pretentiousdra are p town

ns replace out if you're going to be useless

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it's true though gamma

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for future reference, and unrelated to this game, but dammit faraday you are the gayest straight man I know.

thnx

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Jacob talk about something interesting

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also faraday can have *general disagreement* and I am a man of character who follows through on his blackmailings

let me ask you a question gammagooery. ns posted and it made me sad because did it make you sad lots for the same reasoning

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vote bt vollkan aren't him and quilford tied on your scumscale? bt has the bigger wagon too

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VOTE WYRD

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Wow zoidberg way to shed any town vibes I had on you

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lol

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Well I'm just lurking because this fate wagon is going pretty fast and I just got on board and yeehaw cowboy and man those posts and stuff are just

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Kawaii knows what we're talking about. So we're not a lyncher.

what the h*ck is going on

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vollkan do you have any reads on people you haven't given points to? if so who (and what read?)

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GAMMA how do you feel about wyrd if you haven't already said

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there are worse things that not posting

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it just depends on who it is I guess

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i wonder will umbrage join gay mafia 2

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let's lynch fate

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let's all go in the one direction

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Stop being useless.

you're the one posting catch ups no one's reading

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Did you ever get anywhere with this?

Yes. Thanks for eventually commenting on it though. I really appreciate it.

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OD why are you being so useless?

thunderdog had been viewing the thread for a while. plz don't call me useless again or i'll be super fucking upset i'm trying rly hard here to catch some scum

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I call it posting shit to make my ISO look better than it really is so I can end up coasting along to LYLO and pull through for a scum win.

you'll flake long b4 endgame

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PEDIT: I already commented on it before that post, but please do inform me of the new revelations you obtained.

no that's boring

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- It's ThunderHog; not Dog.

dog's are cuter. you should vote fate for real though

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dogs*

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i like don't see it atm i guess.

but w/e let's lynch fate now and discuss that tomorrow

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i'm insecure
don't know what for
i like my reads and stuff just walked through a door
don't need empire
to cover up
my posts contain some fluff
everyone else in the room can see it
everyone else but meeeee
thunder you light up my life like nobody else
prove gamma wrong and be town and stuff
you don't know you're beautifulll

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I was worried I was the only one seeing Thunderscum being a likely possibility.

Hrm. Apparently not!

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nacho you're gonna hammer wyrd and you're gonna fucking like it too

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I'll catch up much later.

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sorry i can't stand this any longer it's actually fucking making me sick

vote dgb

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kill her plz plz plz

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Yes that was facetious but still somewhat true, there has to be at least one scum in the hydras, if not two. Otherwise it would be completely unbalanced. The scum is definitely not Wyrd, and it's most likely Kawaii. OD actually wouldn't be a bad choice for scum either.

you're a fucking idiot

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Otherwise it would be completely unbalanced

HEY I KNOW WE HAVE THESE 2 SCUM HYDRAS GREAT BALANCING MECHANIC LET'S PUT ALL HYDRAS IN A QT TOGETHER HNGGGGGGGGGGGGG

(you're an idiot for your reasoning fyi)

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This however, furthers the notion that OD is scum.

????????

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I find this reaction interesting. Only after I suggested that the hydra-gang might be composed of a sizable number of scumbags does "One Direction" finally give a "read" on me... in the form of "kill her plz." OMGUS much?

lmao

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'OMGUS much' a thing said by an actual player outside of the newbie queue in this game

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If I understand correctly this "neighborhood" is truly random (except the hydra membership requirement) across alignments, and we cannot make assumptions of balance.

there's no guarantee of this at all btw

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'OMGUS much' a thing said by an actual player outside of the newbie queue in this game

ad hom,

now?

no i'm calling you scum maybe you should pay more attention

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Empire, go back to letting faraday post please.

i am faraday jesus christ this isn't hard

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OMGUS MUCH?

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fyi that post is amusing for those who will not get it

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DGB, don't be ridiculous, there's no way we're getting them lynched D1.

i'd recommend not specifying a time it'll only lead to disappointment

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Quick question for you, DGB.

Why have you spent such a large portion of this game whining about spam posting when you once posted 258 times in a single game (1/6th of the entire thread)?

(This is actually Empire.)

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kill her plz plz plz

I find this reaction interesting. Only after I suggested that the hydra-gang might be composed of a sizable number of scumbags does "One Direction" finally give a "read" on me... in the form of "kill her plz." OMGUS much?

@Wyrd > One-direction doesn't look town to me, regardless of the shenanigans in the QT.

DGB is this the very earliest start of your OD scumread?

DGB masterlist is ready.

TOWNZ

24. DrippingGoofball
08. Wyrd (Nuwen/Fate hydra)
18. Om of the Nom
03. kuribo for post 330
22. BT

LEANING TOWNZ

17. vollkan
10. One Direction (Faraday/Empire hydra)
09. dramonic
11. Gammagooey
23. TheTrollie

PURGATORIEZ

02. DeltaWave - acting strange
04. Iecerint - moar posts plz
07. whispersilk - flake
20. JacobSavage - post content plz

ALTERNATE WINCON

12. Nachomamma8 - hammer-related wincon
01. Nobody Special - really depressing bastard-mod wincon

LEANING SCUMZ

14. Zoidberg
13. Ythan
06. Slumberpartybois (MattP/kanyeknowsbest hydra)
05. zoraster - few posts, tone is disappointed-to-get-scum-role-PM
15. ThunderHog - isn't scum with P-dra, too much emphasis to explain why he might come off as "careful."
25. Drench - throwing random shit in hopes some will stick

SCUMZ

16. Quilford - no read on vollkan or kuribo??? Too lynch-happy. Defended P-dra for nothing.
21. Pretentiousdra (chesskid/Ellibereth/Action Dan hydra)
19. Kawaii (Kise/Katsuki hydra)

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ehhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh the ONLY thing that gives me pause is that it was FARADAY who proposed the "fakeclaim to get fate quicklynched" gambit and I don't think he'd so something that anti-town as town.

if i'd wanted to pull the trigger on that i'd have done it last night before you got another chance to do anything about it.

lol if you actually think i'd suggest something like that as scum anyway

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It is, until then I had a null read and based on faith on Wyrd's report of the multi-hydra QT, put One Direction in the leaning town list.

this is utter bullshit of the highest order

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Answer my question in #1088, DGB.

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Answer my question in #1088, DGB.

can you not read dgb

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CLAIMED

VENGEFUL

SAYS HI

and i still won!

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I can't wait until DGB gets lynched.

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She references croskilling quite early and then another time I think. That by itself is pretty null, though.

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Gammagooey is scum. If Gammagooey is on your team, sit tight. If Gammagooey isn't on your team, and you're ready for a X-kill, you know where to shoot.

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p.s. Om, will you quit this site if I'm town?

If that's too much of a risk for you, we'll throw in both Fate AND DGB flipping scum.

Sigh. You can't say things like that.

Catching up.

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OD. DGB's explaining her read on you to me, could you do the same for your read on her? I read your initial vote as a hatevote but then you said you were calling her scum (which I didn't actually see).

What do you mean by hate vote? Hated her post or her playerslot in general and what she was doing.

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I haven't spoken with Empire but he has an exam so I guess I'll outline why DGB is scum

OD. DGB's explaining her read on you to me, could you do the same for your read on her? I read your initial vote as a hatevote but then you said you were calling her scum (which I didn't actually see).

Yeah sure, her early posts are pretty much nothing. DGB talking about people posting too much is just stupid and hypocritical. There's a lot of spam, but most people are posting content and I think her view on it is faked given it's such an unnatural position for her to take.
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 8#p4536968

Or you can kill me. Either works. Day, night, whenever.

Isn't genuine, either. I think her Wyrd townread is faked too. It came before they'd posted any content in the thread, I think she just picked town townread the largest wagon. Iec asked if it was a Wyrd unvote or a DGB vote and it was a bit of both, I felt really uncomfortable with DGB's defense of Wyrd at the time and have been questioning Fate about it in the QT but he doesn't seem to give a fuck. Wyrd look kind of towny in what they're posting recently but I don't see the earlytown read on Fate as being something plausible for DGB to have.
For reference:

Spoiler:

All this sillyness has made it hard for me to focus on reads.
Man, I need to get used to the life of the large themes.

here, i'll give you a starter townlist
choose a starter!


when you click on the spoiler, you can't take it back

<333333333333

YES WE GET TO BE CHARMANDER

FFFFFFFFFFFFFF

FUCK IT ELLIE YOURE OUTNUMBERED

VOTE: PREEMIEHYDRA

btw NS wagon is where its at, wtf is this shit DGB use your clout on real lynches

hmmm

wait a sec

I think I have something on Pretentious legit let me talk to nuwen

we're not pretending.

I'd bet you my left nut Fate doesn't get lynched today.

this is a good bet^

^5

hmmm

wait a sec

I think I have something on Pretentious legit let me talk to nuwen

X

oh u chess

HEY KURIBO TOWNFATE DOESNT AVOID THREAD FOR 25 PAGES WHILE ACTIVELY POSTING IN HIS OTHER GAME KTHX

NOW GET YOUR VOTE ON SON

Spoiler:
It has something to do with this

k well here's the thing, I DIDNT RECIEVE A PM THAT THE GAME HAD STARTED ON FATE, THE ACCOUNT FATE

So I was posting on Fate n shit yesterday, with no idea this game had started, but CHESSKIDHYDRA knew it had started? Maybe their scum QT closed?

Just a theory, but its better than whatever the fuck 30 pages I'm not reading has

So I was posting on Fate n shit yesterday, with no idea this game had started, but CHESSKIDHYDRA knew it had started? Maybe their scum QT closed?

this is retarded and you KNOW it's retarded.

No, his reasoning that SCUMFATE would actively AVOID a thread like a bitch is shit reasoning

Now, yeah, him being scum cause he knew the game started and I didn't is stretching it, but him pushing me for SHITREASONS is SCUM

and Ellie is letting chess and katsuki do all the heavy lifting pushing bc itd be awkward for him to try to read me wrong

it all adds up


that hydra must die DGB pregame gut ftw

Also I will say this, right now: I'm not claiming today. No matter what, there is literally ZERO point to claim, so if you vote me its for fucking keeps and you can deal with your stupidity vs. scum arguments tomorrow

No scumhydra, tell me why I'm being wagoned

REAL reasons, none of this "tehee this is the cool new wagon kids" bullshit

I want it on record so you cant just go WHOOPSIE tomorrow

WHY IN THE LIVING FUCK IS THIS GAME 25 PAGES

What here is SUPER TOWN? Why didn't you comment on his refusal to claim thing? Given your signature I'm surprised you didn't find that scummy. I mean considering you basically quote it at every opportunity.

I think Nacho's i-wanna-hammer crumbs are SUPER THIRD PARTY. How 'bout that.

(Also this is fairly stupid)

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 7#p4538767 is pretty hilarious given I think she did that exact thing with Wyrd.

I think her scumread on Quilford is bogus as hell too. He's pretty town and I think his re-vote history pretty much sealed that.

because we were developing reads and wanted to be able to fish for reactions without it being public knowledge that we were working as a bloc.

I can't see townies agreeing to do this... I bet there are a lot of scum in the QT. Om is being facetious (I think), but he might not be all that far from the truth. Maybe some townies will be swayed by the will of a majority, but that does sound a lot more than a scum plan than a townie plan.

Also this is a seriously terrible post. 'I can't see townies agreeign to do this' is just straight up stupid and a lie. You don't think townies would take a means to communicate and try and run gambits outside of the thread? To try and get better reads on people as a result? Why the hell not? What about keeping it secret and using it as LEGION makes it a scum plan?

'OMGUS much' a thing said by an actual player outside of the newbie queue in this game

I think that's a reasonable tell sometimes? I don't, however, think it's a reasonable explanation for her read on you.

Maybe, but given the specifics of what happened how is it reasonable here? DGB says the hydra qt is composed of a few scum for the vagues of reasons. She's already got a town read on me based on Wyrd so I'm OMGUS'ing her in what way? She's basically attacked 4(?) player slots by saying she doesn't see a hydra qt agreeing to do what we did, but I don't buy that as a genuine thought process from her. It's a shallow accusation that has no basis in reality. I reacted the way I did because I just felt the way she came across talking about the hydra qt was just really fucking sleazy and she was just going along with Om's thoughts on it.

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Also re: her case

He says I talk like a newbie game player,

No, I'm saying the only way I'd by that as being a genuiine accusation is that if you were a newbie. I'm saying you're using a buzzword to try and ham it up and that you're scum for doing so. Apparently things that should be obvious are not.

Then he pushes weakly that I have inside multiball info (hey, I play large themes mostly, they're nearly always multi-ball) and calls it null??? It could be because he realizes he needs to look more reasonable to the other player if he wants to pass for town.

I was responding to a question. I'm not 'pushing it weakly', at all. I straight up called it null.

Pedits:

You don't even know whether you hated my post or my playerslot in general, yet you never even mentioned me until I attacked the Hydra Collective QT as being full of scum.

No? I'm asking what he means by hatevote. Stop pretending to be dense.


To say my DGB scumread is 'sudden' isn't accurate. There's a lot in the QT about DGB being scum. DGB will try to ignore reality by saying 'this doesn't count' or some other bullshit.
Haha the qt was linked and DGB's going to continue calling us scum.

tl;dr I own and DGB is scum. Fucking vote her.


Om calling my posts useless is fucking hilarious.

As for hatevote, it was basically 'DGB is scummy and holy shit this post is fucking horrible she needs to die' was my thoughtprocess

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LOOK I MADE A WALL MOMMY. MINA AND EMPIRE AND REGFAN WILL BE SO PROUD

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lol don't pretend you read that post

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Ignoring it won't make it go away.

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it's okay dgb. you will be let go soon.

if you are not voting dgb just realise you can and it'll be glorious

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I'd not have signed up for a game with Sensfan.

I'm pretty obvtown anyway so dw about it.

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I'd not have signed up for a game with Sensfan.

I'm pretty obvtown anyway so dw about it.

Keep telling yourself that pumpkin~

I am pretty sure it's true that I'd not have signed up had Sensfan been here. (I assume this is what you're referring to)

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I think I can see DGB/Kawaii, DGB scum reads the latter pretty confidently it seems but goes after 1D instead. Classic fos buddy vote town, old school DGB way?

vote dgb!!!

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Oh, yeah.

Iec you don't mind playing scum do you?

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He's provided absolutely no useful content in any shape, form or type? He's just fluffing, going with the flow, making snide/idiotic posts and being generally less useful than like... Nobody Special?

This is literally factually incorrect and the other 2 'points' are just spasticated. Massclaim in the neighbourhood is a very good idea. I think it's very possible to work out people's alignments via their claims, and even if some are null any scum in the neighbourhood are locked into claims for the whole game and have to use any actions in a townish way. As well as that it's possible there'll be some synergy between the roles and allow for more optimal usage. As for 'wasting the lynch' how does that make sense. A lynch on scum is a lynch on scum.

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Empire here, just got done with my obnoxious take home exam. Today's my birthday though and I have plans celebrating both today and tomorrow. Will dive back into this game and get in a full detailed post of my reads this game as soon as I come back.

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I don't think I pushed any shit ideas in the quicktopic at all.

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Faraday's posts in that QT show an incredibly anti-town attitude.

even if this is true (It's not? The only thing that's borderline is the faking info? Massclaim is completely pro town and underutilised. Specific massclaim worked out great in strategy I thought) why does that make us scum?

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So if the hydras are swearing that the QT is filled with damning information against Fate, why is it I feel that this is the only right call:

Fate's early posts in the qt and the thread were particularly shit. He deserved the votes.

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Zoidberg what's your read on DGB and myself?

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Nah, the OPEN one.

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Re: OD vs DGB, I think there's exactly one scum between those two and I've been really liking DGB's recent logic. OD on the other hand seems content to just post vague half-cases and innuendo.

actually missed this. please specify which of her recent long you agree with and exlplain why 'vague half cases' are scummy? do you think scum have a problem making cases or something?

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Zoidberg what's your read on DGB and myself?

^ retarded of me never mind

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Re: OD vs DGB, I think there's exactly one scum between those two and I've been really liking DGB's recent logic. OD on the other hand seems content to just post vague half-cases and innuendo.

actually missed this. please specify which of her recent long you agree with and exlplain why 'vague half cases' are scummy? do you think scum have a problem making cases or something?

uhhh long = logic.

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http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 9#p4540869 please explain why you were iso'ing us in particular in the first place. Who else have you ISO'd?

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re: being useful all of these posts are useful and if you don't get why for at least half you just suck

Spoiler:

stop being a cunt actiondan

man vollkan's whole line of enquiry really sucks actually

hmm.

HMMMM.

Unvote, Vote: Thunderhog

lol

wow BT

It's scummy because it was plain untrue that pretentious was in danger that warranted HOLD ON UNVOTING TO SAVE LIVES, so it's a detail that's there to credit the unvote. Wouldn't have been as bad if he didn't consistently back it up (instead of, say, admitting he was wrong) vs Kuribo.

^ that's a kind of shitty reason

nah this is me. i had the same initial reaction as you but then read it again and thought it was pretty town

hm a bit early to say he's like korlash who's posts i doon't like reading. he's a newbie right gamma? i thought his brutal honesty and the way he came across was pretty genuine and townish

om of the nom just took the most popular reads from the thread it seems.

Every single post of Nacho's is basically a soft claim. He's still town though.

explain why nacho is town

answer my question properly

Every single post of Nacho's is basically a soft claim. He's still town though.

explain why nacho is town

Yeah I don't see town motivation behind such obvious breadcrumbing.

there is. he said 'he's still town' which means he doesn't find the breadcrumbing town but something else. i would like to know what this something else is. om is going to give me a fucking stupid answer i can already tell

i mean that's a pretty easy way to BS a read b/c it's unspecific and psuedo garbage but it's also probably true so w/e

You misunderstood me. I was saying I don't see town motivation for Nacho's breadcrumbing.

nah I got what you were going for it was just kinda w/e. well there's less scum motive anyway.

Pretentiousdra are p town

ns replace out if you're going to be useless

Jacob talk about something interesting

also faraday can have *general disagreement* and I am a man of character who follows through on his blackmailings

let me ask you a question gammagooery. ns posted and it made me sad because did it make you sad lots for the same reasoning

vote bt vollkan aren't him and quilford tied on your scumscale? bt has the bigger wagon too

Wow zoidberg way to shed any town vibes I had on you

VOTE WYRD

vollkan do you have any reads on people you haven't given points to? if so who (and what read?)

GAMMA how do you feel about wyrd if you haven't already said

Stop being useless.

you're the one posting catch ups no one's reading

sorry i can't stand this any longer it's actually fucking making me sick

vote dgb

kill her plz plz plz

Yes that was facetious but still somewhat true, there has to be at least one scum in the hydras, if not two. Otherwise it would be completely unbalanced. The scum is definitely not Wyrd, and it's most likely Kawaii. OD actually wouldn't be a bad choice for scum either.

you're a fucking idiot

i literally just iso'd

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OD vs DGB, I think there's exactly one scum between those two

fyi can you explain the basis of things like this why is there exactly one scum as opposed to zero? have you never seen two townies argue. you said the same earlier w/ regard to trollie and slb and I just don't get why you assume things like that. walk me through the thought process that led to your conclusion

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Faraday's posts in that QT show an incredibly anti-town attitude.

even if this is true (It's not? The only thing that's borderline is the faking info? Massclaim is completely pro town and underutilised. Specific massclaim worked out great in strategy I thought) why does that make us scum?

Mostly, why would you trust the other people in the hydra QT? Either you already know their alignment, or you're just absolutely free with letting everyone know your role. Even further, you're expecting them to be comfortable telling you theirs.

Town mindset shoulda been, "What? No, I can't massclaim here, I don't know these fucking people!"

Now, Faraday, we both know you don't suck. So why did you trust the people in the QT enough to want a massclaim? And if you say it's because you had town reads on them, I'm going to piss myself laughing because there's no god damn way anyone can be THAT confident in their read of a 10-faced shitstorm.

I didn't propose the massclaim? That was chesskid. I thought it could be useful in a PR heavy game and was pretty fine with it. You seem to think it needs to be done with just townreads which is where I disagree. Locking scum in the qt into a claim would be super useful in a game like this. As well as that any weird shots on an outed pr in the neighboourhood looks bad for scum, so it offers them a greater degree of protection or makes thing scum think twice before making a nightkill just based on role. I mean I had town reads on Pretentious and Kawaii at the time but as you can see I didn't like SLB all too well and wyrd hadn't posted.

Also I think looking at Gay Mafia 1/Reck set-ups a massclaim could have helped clear a slew of people. Scum had no real actions they could have claimed (apart from roleblocker I think and that's just lol). Narrowing it down to a specific bunch means you get more likely chance of success and don't have the massclaim downsides of killing early day 1 momentum.


The whole stigma around massclaim being anti town is frustrating. It's something scum should fear. A PR's greatest utility is being able to claim and confirm themselves (for most of them)

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The hydra QT is supposed to have closed this morning.

the 15th. the 15th.

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I actually don't know if I've ever made a big stance on it in MD, are you confusing me with someone? (or is that sarcasm). I thought Glork showed why it's good (but bad) in ogml's large normal and furry had the right idea in kanye's game too. I think l. themes are even more susceptible but recognise trying to do it in thread never works (b/c people disagree on principle)

[One Direction]

At the very least I'd go 'Well I don't have town reads on everyone' and hope it kind of stalled out as scum. I was a bit weirded out when kanye claimed but given their role being super weird I can see why they did (and I also don't think it's a plausible fakeclaim for them to come up with, so I suppose it shows the benefits of massclaim in a way)

[One Direction]

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 9#p4540869 Kuribo thoughts on this post? Also do you have a read on DGB? I thought my case kinda owned but no one's really commented on it.

[One Direction]

Trying to explain to people what they're doing wrong during a game is just impossible. Don't be silly.

[One Direction]

Sure, that's fine. (Don't spoiler your catch up posts if you want them read. Also in fairness making catch up posts in a Page by page format is just not needed, you just tend to 'look for' things to comment on and jump at shadows! It's why re-reading too often can be a bad thing)

Also another tip: Switch your vote!

[One Direction]

I dunno, my gut still tells me Zoid is scum. But while his rage toward me almost felt genuine enough to be town, that post seems to harken back to my initial assessment that Zoidberg is kinda "me too'ing" his way through the game.

It's mostly a few things (now bear in mind I think DGB is pretty obviously scum so)
The at least one of me/dgb scum thing seems a false dichotomy to a neutral observer (i'd think?) and i don't get what from our interactions make that obvious.
I also think his 'just finishing iso'ing' us part is pretty convenient timing.
But then he goes on to have a town read on dgb after the first bit which is also just weird.

It's like hey lets lynch one direction and I can just say they sucked and no one will notice my shitty reason for jumping on the wagon. (I think he's easily the worst vote. While I dislike om and dram's votes I don't find them scummy. Om's following up something from before and I had a townread on Dram independant of this stuff.

[One Direction]

Okay thanks, not switching my vote though.

Have you read the QT? I think it's pretty obvious I've at least posted lots of content there, how do you still maintain your argument of me being 'useless'. What do you think of my case on DGB?

[One Direction]

Some of your posts in the QT are still kinda useless, but arguably less so.

(Who cares if 'some' are? Posting fluff is something I enjoy? )

[One Direction]

It's like hey lets lynch one direction and I can just say they sucked and no one will notice my shitty reason for jumping on the wagon.

but this is exactly what Zoid did with Fate, too

Is it? I tend to ignore people voting on the wagon I want and not ignore them when they vote me.

[One Direction]

ownFaraday would not have let that happen, let alone propose it, and if he meant the proposal as a joke (regardless of alignment), as town he would have stopped it before things got out of hand. The fact that he let it go like that totally changes my read. I think he's the most likely hydra scum.

Let

what

happen? Nothing came of it? (Also Scum!Faraday wouldn't propose that and you should actually know that)

[One Direction]

I know, I'm not going to push you for fluffing it up in the QT, since I tend to fluff as well. I just think you've not posted much content in the thread until DGB actually pushed you.

I think we have different definitions of content.

[One Direction]

ownFaraday would not have let that happen, let alone propose it, and if he meant the proposal as a joke (regardless of alignment), as town he would have stopped it before things got out of hand. The fact that he let it go like that totally changes my read. I think he's the most likely hydra scum.

Let

what

happen? Nothing came of it? (Also Scum!Faraday wouldn't propose that and you should actually know that)

Also considering I play to endgame people as scum don't you think my scum self would be a little more self conscious than that? I think you're literally putting in the wrong alignments for me here and conflating what I'd do as scum/as town.

[One Direction]

And yeah, nothing came of it, but only because Fate claimed it in the thread.

No, nothing came of it because we didn't actively seek to do it and/or post it in the thread because my read wasn't strong enough to actually support a fake result. It's not like it resulted in some sort of 'bad thing' happening, it didn't go

too far

because basically nothing came of it.

I mean, sure if you think it's weird. It's not something I'd usually say as town at all, but it's something I'd never say as scum. I don't need to change my scum game, it's perfectly fine as is. I just wouldn't state something like

that

as scum unless I was desperate, or something.

[One Direction]

And yeah, nothing came of it, but only because Fate claimed it in the thread.

I mean do you think there's any actual point where fate WOULDN'T have claimed it in the thread? What do you think I expected to get out of it as scum? Fate dead? If I was that afraid of him I'd just night kill him?

[One Direction]

I don't see why it has to sound genuine.

Well, what I meant is it sounds like a comment supposed to draw town vibes or some shit because townies post whatever and don't think things through, but like this seems a calculated way too appear uncaring. If...that makes sense.

[One Direction]

I think you're focusing too much on his posting and not on the fact that a fucking quickwagon developed on him and almost got to lynch within the span of one page after he had posted like 3 times.

Hmm. It's hard to say you're wrong but I guess I don't know if I buy DGB using that as a reason? I think quickwagon=town wagon is kind of untrue based on my experience.

[One Direction]

@Anyone saying Dreaming God is a bad scum claim: "Oh I do stuff randomly, I dont know what happens with my action, whoops I killed someone silly me!". Dreaming God is only the single easiest escape hatch as scum because you can disengage yourself from any action <_<

the manner they claimed it + sought help was pretty town (and given they said they'd a load of films (did they claim how many? idr) we'd have to see some sort of noticable effect on someone or i'd be slightly incredulous. Bad scum claim in this instance I think?)

[One Direction]

did you ever list the movies?

oops

[One Direction]

Yeah I just realised he probably only had 17. Serial Mom looks like a fun film.

[One Direction]

Hm. Why is Delta more likely scum than Zoid chesskid? I mean Delta's just a useless sack of shit so far and mildly scummy. I suppose zoid's at least posting but that'sall he has at the moment.

[One Direction]

DGB I hope you will remain vigilant in keeping his OD wagon alive, Faraday is rearing up for a hop onto Zoidbergmceasy lynch's wagon in the QT saying "ZOIDS VOTE ON ME WAS TRASH NUUUUDIEDIE"

(I said that here was well plz get ur facts straight)

[One Direction]

Not less town exactly, but more likely to be scum.
Please, show me these scenarios you're talking about.

PEDIT: Fate none of the top wagons right now are very appealing, however I am willing to switch to DGB now if it's needed.

Then do it.

Unvote

Vote: DGB

Why did you need Om's permission to vote me, scum?

lol \o/

[One Direction]

dgb i would suggest your mason buddy ask the mod why he's using scum masons if i was to be serious.

[One Direction]

Well also the venn disagram is wrong as that'd be more null read as opposed to mild town. It was still pretty funny at least.

[One Direction]

But to what end would I not clarify? What was my nefarious scum goal? To gain negative attention?

[One Direction]

I mean I get the feeling we're just going in circles actually because I'm obviously not going to agree with you because I know you're wrong.

[One Direction]

I mean the theory is I'm sloppy/going to be sloppy about that as scum but I think it's literally the opposite and I'm far more thoughtful as scum and that's obvious from my scum games but I think I'm just being brick walled because you've kind of made up your mind I'd not do that as town.

[One Direction]

Are you seriously suggesting my initial proposal would never have came out? That's ridiculous. (And pretty bad scum play)

[One Direction]

1. If CHESSKID or Kawaii tried to blame you for a Wyrd town flip after what they did in-thread, they would be lynched immediately.

Why would you think Wyrd would not say it before their death?

[One Direction]

I mean that's not even a point. If hypodeadtown wyrd said it it'd still not be taken seriously? That's just dumb.

[One Direction]

Are you implying that I wouldn't have a good reason to iso you?

No.

It doesn't read like town v town, and it doesn't read like two scum bussing each other.

What parts doesn't read town v town?

DGB's been making coherent arguments that agree with my own reads and are internally consistent with the rest of what she says, so I get town from DGB, so at least from my perspective I'm ruling that out.

Which particular arguments of hers have you found sound?

You can call it "me-too'ing" if you want, but I'm not really too concerned what you think since my vote is on you and I wouldn't expect you to come back with anything other than "lol zoidberg is a retard newbscum lolbad" or whatever. It's standard tactics that when one of your attackers agrees with another attacker, you accuse them of being scum who is sheeping and me-too'ing, so, go right ahead with that tactic.

Yes I am calling everyone voting for me scum, trying to play it off as me just picking on you JUST because your voting me is pretty inaccurate.


P.s. what did you think of DGB accusing me of OMGUS, Zoidberg?

[One Direction]

fara hasn't really done much that I think points to him-town

literally just made an actual case which I think confirms me as town (i only make cases in lylo as scum!)

[One Direction]

Empire will be posting Sunday after his birthday anyway and he's as easy to read as Regfan so it's not really a problem I guess.

[One Direction]

fara hasn't really done much that I think points to him-town

literally just made an actual case which I think confirms me as town (i only make cases in lylo as scum!)

(Note I don't actually believe this, I'm just joking with gamma. I'd have expectd him to recognise I was town though)

[One Direction]

i understand what a y means. because i'm pretty town, duh?

[One Direction]

Then what's the point of asking why I iso'd you?

Because I think your timing kind of stank but it's probably just as plausible you were doing ISO's on everyone.

If I was a townie in that neighbourhood QT and wasn't given my neighbours' alignments by the moderator then I would be hella cautious about coordinating shit in that QT, and I'd be very much wary of my neighbours, ESPECIALLY if they were posting scummy shit like this:

that's literally not the question I asked you and has nothing to do with it either as far as I can tell. why reference the arguing being townvtown or w/e if it's just as simple as I'm scum? surely that's irrelevant to the argument and just

is

. anyway there's no problem with trusting competent players, you can get reads on people by working with them. i got town reads based on the thread/qt and worked with them anyway to help lynch fate who i thought was scum.

I can't see any town motivation whatsoever behind fabricating evidence against someone whose alignment is not confirmed, and as a townie I certainly wouldn't be the one masterminding such a plan.

no guts no glory. i'd have faked it if i had a strong enough scum read and wanted him lynched. i already said that.

If you're afraid of playing against Fate or whatever, then I could

maybe

understand wanting to pre-empt him and having him vigged. But in that case town-me would be asking for people to dayvig him, not inventing a bullshit scumslip.

i'm 3/3 against fate as scum. I HOLD NO FEAR FOR I AM THE MOST CUNNING MANIPULATOR.

[One Direction]

point is i dunno why you think i'd be good at reading you, i don't think i've ever done particularly decent with it before. like maybe kind of in the winvitational game before an autowin got fucked up and my brain basically broke from frustration but it still wasn't super strong before that and i never had a strong scum read on you in metamafia until everyone else except seraphim got eliminated from the possibilities in the dead qt

eh you had me pretty solidly town from like d2 --> d6 of winvitational i'm pretty sure. i'm also pretty sure my play has become more transparent since metamafia + I think that was my best game and everyone read me wrong so it doesn't even count.

[One Direction]

there was also that dram's bastard game but i don't actually remember any of that besides it being horrible. i thought you had me as town though.

[One Direction]

oh i thought it was obvious from the last part. the latter (me scum, him town). 4/4 if we count my cult draw. we will to make him mad.

god i'm literally a cunt.

[One Direction]

Are you for real? I literally answered your question directly and you're saying it's irrelevant what the fuck I don't even

i'm actually asking why you specifically phrased it like that instead of saying 'DGB is town, Faraday is scummy'. I mean I thought you were saying 'Well they're arguing and town don't argue against each other like that' but it looks like I just misunderstood what you meant by it given the way you're restating it.

[One Direction]

Question, though: Your scum winrate vs townfate isn't what's relevant here, since you want us to believe you're town. If you're not afraid of playing vs Fate, then why would you fabricate a scum slip as town? You already said your read on him wasn't confident, so what was it?

(I know I was just mocking fate with the first part)

I didn't fabricate it though? I said we could if it came to it, but I mean didn't? I don't see why the mere suggestion of it is such a bad thing at all. I'd fabricate it to get him lynched, which is probably difficult enough day 1 given I think he'd probably manage to fakeclaim his way out of it. And I meant it wasn't confident enough to fabricate it, I was pretty confident when I initially said it though just that I'd have to have a fairly high level of surity before doing that. The 'whoops almost mistook this for a hydra qt' seemed like fate was trying to fake townslip and I thought he was scum because of it.

[One Direction]

oh i thought it was obvious from the last part. the latter (me scum, him town).

Also, if you're town, why did you bring up your scum winrate vs town fate?

Why would my alignment in this game make me less likely to boast about my scum winrate?

[One Direction]

'You're afraid of fate' 'Not really I beat him a bunch of times'

I'm saying I wouldn't be afraid of fate as scum. Why would I be 'afraid' of a player as town...like ever? That doesn't make any sense.

[One Direction]

I mean even ignoring that who the fuck goes 'I'm scum and so afraid of someone I'll fake a slip and hope I get away with it'. That's not an actual human's thought process ever I'm pretty sure.

[One Direction]

Zoidberg says the only quasi-plausible reason (in zoidberg's opinion) for attempting to fabricate a scumslip would be if OD was afraid of fate or something

How does my scum win rate not literally show this is why scum!me wouldn't feel the need to fabricate a slip as scum? If you're hypothetis is that a townie could be afraid of a player then that's not even something I understand. Afraid of...what?

My reason makes much more sense and is grounded in reality. Also I didn't 'attempt' to fabricate anything. I didn't fabricate it, there was no attempt.

[One Direction]

You're not supposed to care about it, just like you're not supposed to care that I made an amusing mafia song based on one direction lyrics. I do stuff like that all the time anyway, it's mostly for my own self amusement.

[One Direction]

You're not supposed to care about it, just like you're not supposed to care that I made an amusing mafia song based on one direction lyrics. I do stuff like that all the time anyway, it's mostly for my own self amusement.

THe difference between the two is that one is an obvious irrelevant/joke thing, whereas the other is something that you should have no reason for mentioning in a town game

Yet I do mention things like that in town games all the time! Why didn't you give me + scumpoints for it though if you think I should have absolutely no reason to mention it?

[One Direction]

BT what do you think of me backing off you completely? (and basically not mentioning you since I voted you)

[One Direction]

Oh, yeah. I agree with 500 in the QT I'd almost go as far as to say he'd never ever say that as scum. I hadn't put that together with this game.

[One Direction]

I assumed you still think I'm scum but the new wagons are clearly a bigger deal. (you and most people that were on my wagon but disappeared) Backing off completely implies you don't?

Yeah, I think you're leaning town I just thought it was weird you didn't find my not mentioning you weird.

And post 500 in the quicktopic. I asked matt a question and he answered it and I don't think it's a good idea to publicise the actual reason because it's a bit But I'm pretty sold on Zoidberg town now.

[One Direction]

Gamma is it my imagination or has there been a completely different change in demeanour lately. She was all over our slot before but after we've made the case I felt she's backed off and has been content to ignore it.

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 2#p4543812 also this is just bad

[One Direction]

eh i wanna vote dgb for completely ridiculous 3rd party garbage in regards to nacho since she's done that as scum in the past but shes also done stuff like completely go off at DDD for a post restriction and tunnel on him until he became conf. town and everyone spelled it out to her multiple times and that's probably just as relevant.

I've seen DGB get fixated on 3rd party SK's before - as scum in Rolling in the Deep on Pine SK and in Nexus's Artemis Fowl on the DaySK as scum. I don't really think her calling Nacho a weird 3rd party is scummy though even if I think she's scum.


Also NS has been on site and hasn't posted here and expected/10 basically.

[One Direction]

Yeah I'm fairly confident it was all town.

[One Direction]

Trollie you should read my dgb case, it's pretty cool and accurate.

[One Direction]

(Also vollkan needs to post more so he can post more scummy things)

[One Direction]

It also implies the goals are mutually exclusive which if you read the QT you'll see Chesskid had a fairly strong scumread on Wyrd? So.

[One Direction]

DGB wagon is also fairly weak. A lot of the things being pointed out to be scumtells (third party hunting, complaining about high volume posting early and then posting a lot herself) are more DGB-tells which means congratulations, you're playing with DGB.

I've played with DGB before. I don't need the half condescending 'haha it's DGB'. (And I don't think it is)

[One Direction]

hey nacho what's your read on vollkan

[One Direction]

this post is absolutely terrible

why is it terrible? It seems pretty accurate.

I also don't see where DGB has put her reputation on the line by lynching us? How do you think DGB!scum would respond to me voting her anyway? Try to placate me? (That seems like a recipe for disaster since I despise things like that)

[One Direction]

Anyway, Empire'll be making a post with our non DGB stuff later. I think zoidberg dropped a fairly strong town tell ~somewhere~ + his question of me reads fairly genuine.

[One Direction]

Trollie you should read my dgb case, it's pretty cool and accurate.

I'm not really sure about that case. Seems to be mostly you disagreeing with her/finding her reasoning poor. I don't have any experience playing with DGB, and in the case you appeal to your experience playing with her, but i'll have to do some meta to figure out why you call these posts scummy rather than just bad/false logic (which is, in fact, the rhetoric you use in your case).

I think your reason for calling that activity scummy is that you think the reason her logic is faulty is because she's faking her reads--I find that disagreeable logic is often mistaken as a scumtell. If you have particular DGB games to show me that indicate townDGB is more agreeable I'll take a look at those.

I don't think a matter of me disagreeing with someone's logic. There are lots of things I disagree with and that find scummy. I think her whole LOL I HATE SPAMMERS thing is incredibly fake, and she's using it as an excuse to pseudo policy lynch people (and it's especially hypcoritical and makes no sense coming from her since she posts a fucking load). I think her weird unexplained town read on Wyrd is scummy (and she has made no attempt to try and say what was so obvtown about them, she's pretty much not so much as said 'boo' about the case). I think her push on me and accusing it of OMGUS is a way to try and discredit a valid read on her. I mean it's not that she literally cannot possibly be town it's that everything she's done together doesn't make sense. Oh, and yes the 'no reason to keep the qt secret' from someone who loves to gambit is extremely weird and I don't think she's actually trying to scumhunt and analyse motivations.

[One Direction]

Anyway, gonna take Nacho's suggestion on board and hopefully Empire won't be hungover and be able to talk through the game.

[One Direction]

OneDirection is fine. I liked Faraday's posting in the QT more than I liked Faraday's posting in thread, but I don't really think that it's time to lynch him now.

(that's because if given the chance I'll post better in a quicktopic, I find the outlet far more useful. It's why I loved strategy mafia)

[One Direction]

This is Empire. I've caught up mostly, my townreads from the QT haven't changed much except there's a couple of people (like BT and possibly Wyrd) that I want to add to that pile. Want to go over the entire thread and the QT again tomorrow before I post my reads with reasoning now that I have some free time.

[One Direction]

Iecerint:

OD, do you think the hydra QT is all town?

What was the purpose of this question? (You never followed up on it and it looks like a question just literally for the sake of it, since I thought my stance on individual hydra members was pretty clear)

[One Direction]

@ BT, I would be voting Kawaii over OD were it not for the fact that I have literally played in a game where KatsukiTown faked a guilty on me (cf., Final Fantasy VI mafia).

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 2#p4547612 <--- you missed this

[One Direction]

</3

[One Direction]

(That was a prod dodge, I'm busy with christmas stuff)

[One Direction]

Looking over TH, the main new stuff I see is that his posts are very defensive and can have a tone that doesn't seem very town-oriented (mocking Gamma as a "seeker o' scum" in 1610 is a big one). I can see that, but I also think a handful of what he's down is kinda newbtownie. For example, I don't see the scum motivations in his votes for Wyrd or Gamma. I guess it could just be bad scum play.

I'd be OK with Thunderhog at deadline if need be. I don't think he'd be a very tragic mislynch as the WCS. Still, but I'd prefer a hydralynch. I think we have a decent shot of hitting scum from any of those three. It's more high risk/reward, but I think it's worth it given what transpired, and Faraday's "wouldn't do that as scum" stuff doesn't convince me (e.g., as it ignores why he'd do it as town).

things are more likely to just ~happen~ as town. you thinking 'any of the 3 of us' has a decent shot as scum which is just weird too

voting dgb still as i haven't read anything lately. BOOYAKA.

[One Direction]

DW/DGB/Jacob?. I thought I saw something in Hog's iso earlier that made me a bit worry about Kawaii but I looked now and don't see it.

Iec might be scum too.

That seems a bit easy though.

[One Direction]

I'm in the process of reviewing that hydra QT. As of right now, it does look like they manufactured the case against Wyrd.

Can anyone explain to me real quick what the deal with hog is?

I don't see TH's "careful" post as meaning anything. I can see that sentiment coming from town or scum.

Kise, weren't you guys wishing for Wyrd's death?

eh not sure if scum or if he just sucks actually.

[One Direction]

Man I owe gamma an apology too. Well if DGB;'s scum I don't so w/e

[One Direction]

hey nacho remember way back early in the day when u kept going on about all u could do was hammer. and i told u i was gonna hold u 2 that? and then for some reason when hammer time came around it turned out to look incredibly not compulsive? what happened there?

that was obv not what he was implying cmon

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kinda wanna look at the wagons here b/c I think our wagon had momentum for a while but then you could see doubts creep in and it started to lull. om was obvtown anyway but his unvote of our wagon + he moved onto hog looks obv non buddy (it's just a weird time to start a bus, I think). could see fate/katsuki bussing at pretty much anytime so that's null in terms of their alignment

hmm. bookie's a powerful role, and thunderhog being fairly weak comparatively make interesting combination I think there'd be a tendency to try save him for a day or 2.

iec had a weird comment about waiting until deadline to vote which actually is just a super weird thing to say about a buddy as you're basically going to look bad if he flips scum so meh, I think he's probably town

[One Direction]

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 5#p4555995 overjustification of a vote. will get empire to meta check zoraster on this. feels weird based on zor!town I've known who seems a bit lazier than his scum self

[One Direction]

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 3#p4556183 'tragic mislynch' isn't talking about a buddy.

[One Direction]

dgb's whole lol my mason wants Hog dead feels like she's trying to get people to call her 2quirky4scum

[One Direction]

zor!town

Does this mean "zor not town"?

No it means zor!town? Zor as town. I went on to compare it to his scum play.

[One Direction]

First off, the style of nachos hammer does seem like something xreck would but in.
Secondly, can hydras win scummies?

yes
yes

why?

[One Direction]

In a game this size, it isn't even necessarily bussing so much as just it can just be multiple scumgroups picking on low-hanging fruit (by the end of it, TH was obvnewbscum). What particularly surprised me was that the wagon basically had a hockey-stick pattern (in that it rapidly accelerated in size).

given the flip and the lack of a mafia name modifier it seems like one main scum group

[One Direction]

I'm sorry, who are you? Since you actually used the term 'our', I'm going to assume that you're one of the hydra heads of Iec - if I'm wrong correct me.

I am not a hydra. Katsuki is half of Kawaii. The hydras are SPB, Kawaii, OD, Wyrd, and Pretentioushydra.

Oh i love this. Pretend like you don't know who Iece is, genius.

or it's legit not knowing?

[One Direction]

Ugh please fuck off I hope you get modkilled for that

what did he say? it seems vaguely game relevant since it came after a dgb post

[One Direction]

Hi, sorry didn't realise people's where posting.
Dgb is town.

`^ om this read isn't coming from reading the thread, it's manufactured.

[One Direction]

Yes. Anyway scum intent is a fine thing to look for but not every post has it? Sometimes people just make posts just to make it. Something doesn't need 'scum intent' to give you an indication they're scum, really.

[One Direction]

And Happy Christmas everyone!

[One Direction]

This head back from V/LA, content post tomorrow.

[One Direction]

Vote zoraster

Don't find JS scummy and having some doubts about DGB.

[One Direction]

Alright, finally got a chance to catch up on this game. Figured that, rather than write a super-long catch-up wall that no one will ever read, I'd work on trying to rule out TH's partners. I think newer/inexperienced scum players aren't particularly good at hiding their partners so combing through his interactions with other slots will be helpful in trying to PoE this thing. Feel free to comment on this stuff, I'm going to break it up into several parts as I go along.

ThunderHog's Interactions With Other Slots (Part One):

BT

: Not understanding why people view him as a possible TH buddy, think TH’s vote on him in #407 (his opening post) at a time when BT was drawing a lot of heat seems more like trying to capitalize on a ML opportunity rather than a bus. I think it’s further reinforced by the bullet points of reasoning TH offers in #697 and some of the exaggerated language he uses to build up his case (e.g., “BT has been completely inconsistent nearly this entire game, and it's rather blatant.”). Normally, I find that noob-scum don’t make cases like this on their partners but they do when they want to jump on an easy wagon on town. Back and forth with TH starting in BT’s #867 also points against BT being on his team as I think the frustration he shows towards TH seems unlikely to be directed at a partner (e.g., “If you're referring to the first two posts STILL then 1) you're bad and 2) I already explained this horrible inconsistency because really it wasn't.”) Think BT getting cold feet over TH starting at #1517 is pretty genuine too and comes in well before the TH wagon took off (I believe at the time we were the biggest wagon and TH was in no serious danger of getting lynched).

Iecerint

: A lot of the early comments Iec makes about TH, particularly in his first big catch-up wall, are things that I think he could plausibly say as scum to his buddy but I’m 100% with Gamma’s reasoning that TH trying to placate Iec by putting a vote down in #1584/#1607 points pretty strongly against Iec being on his team. Also think that Iec’s “tragic mislynch” comment in #1769 seems like an unlikely thing to say about a scum partner.

Vollkan

: Going to have to look more into vollkan’s meta to see how he treats his partner re: bussing but I think the points he brings up against TH in #794/#1457 + later callouts are perfectly rational and unlikely to come from a TH scumbuddy (the thrust of it being that TH is trying to blow up BT’s innocuous comments into something really scummy and that he tries to cover his ass by backtracking in later posts). I also like the way he’s constantly pushing the wagon by asking people throughout his ISO what they think of TH and his case. Finally, TH trying to ridicule vollkan for his points system seems like a way to discredit him and his push.

Wyrd

: Another player(s) I need to meta-check re: bussing…little interaction early on but I liked Nuwen’s first mention of TH in #1330 and her suspicion of him revolving around his attitude in-game and Fate ultimately voting him in #1636/#1638. What really helps me solidify them not being on TH’s team is the frankly ridiculous, exaggerated reaction he had to their vote in #1669 and the push on them for “inside information” based on their confidence (e.g., “What do you mean pushing?…”/”And how are YOU so sure of this? You do seem pretty confident - you must know something that we don't.”).

Also have to remember to meta-check Zoraster as well seeing as my initial impression of his TH vote was the same as Faraday pointed out: an overjustification that seems jarring in the context of his play this game.

[One Direction]

Zoraster should be voted. DGB's latest posts seem really oily to me like scum who 'got out' of being wagoned and is trying to slide back in but that might just be confirmation bias.

(ps zor did that thing again on the JS wagon; not sure what that means for JS' alignment since I town read him independently)

pedit: because you're shit and I'm town? Duh.

[One Direction]

The 'being scum' thing. It's irksome.

[One Direction]

Not be the sudden dog pile of a bad player wagon day 2. I'm not calling him town, I'm saying he's not done anything I want to wagon him down for and that there are much better calls to play out the day.

If anything I'd peg him as third party rather mafia.

why is he scummy enough to be third party but not mafia?

[One Direction]

how are you distinguishing it from mafia though does it not match his scum meta?

[One Direction]

Well I mean if you think TBM is scum he's obviously not scum with JS.

[One Direction]

Well we should lynch zoraster and TBM, I guess. Sherlock would be proud.

[One Direction]

Oh yeah, w/e @ yesterday. Don't think we were ever gonna be lynched and it gave me a good excuse to get seriously involved in the thread as opposed to the QT.

Zor/DGB/Kawaii are all people I have varying degrees of scumreads on btw so our reads match up pretty well.

Anyway EMPIRE's doing some super obvtown analysis atm so I guess I can play skyrim for a bit more until he's fully caught up w/ that.


PEDIT: AHHH ZORASTER IS SO SCUM IT BURNS.

[One Direction]

people aren't lynching JS and this is making me depressed

vote zoraster and we'll all lynch js tomorrow

(this is a lie)