Gay Mafia II: RIDE THE LIGHTNING (Game Over)

[kuribo]

holy shit, ythan done caught himself a scum

Vote: Zoidberg

i wanna see him flop around some more

other crap in my brain:
* MattP can read trollie pretty well, I remember this from Catch 22, but the prerequisite would be me trusting MattP first which I don't yet. however trollie's an idiot if he thinks Matt's sloppy enough to slip up by "oh he didn't accuse me therefore he must be scum"
*

I am a gay mason with DGB

it's nice to have DGB around in a game. it'll take at last till day two before i can get a solid read on her, though
* i feel rusty in my old age
* Pretentious has at least one weak head. this head knows which one it is and so do the rest of us--- if there's a slip-up, it's going to be ActionDan.
* it's a reck game, so either scum has daytalk or they have a role / mechanic that allows them to daytalk.
* zoidberg's posts are as contentless as the ones he's bitching about
* if Om is scum, either Trollie or SPB is his buddy.
* Nobody Special not posting is a null tell
* katsuki wanted to hydra with me for this game, i totally shoulda taken him up on it, i mean, it'd still just be me posting anyway am i right
* one of you dropped a pretty glaring multiball slip and jesus christ i've forgotten which one of you it was
* i'm going to be home all day pounding back cough syrup like it's candy because i have a really nasty cold
* oh wait, it was DGB that dropped the multiball slip, which makes it null and void
*

I am a bulletproof townie

the amount of softclaiming in this game already is really annoying
* all of this still makes me want to string Zoidberg because he overreacted when Ythan called him scum and because he just seems like he's trying to fit in too much
*EBWOP- sup vollkan

[kuribo]

* all of this still makes me want to string Zoidberg because he overreacted when Ythan called him scum and because he just seems like he's trying to fit in too much

see his join date? look at his join date.

see his wiki? look at his wiki


this isn't his first dance

[kuribo]

Point being, new players don't stop being awkward and unaccustomed after 5 games, especially not with this playerlist.

so we should give him a free pass for scummy behavior just because he's only been around a few months?

[kuribo]

hell, if anything, quil, zoid's inexperience points more TOWARD him being scum--- newbie scum accusing Ythan of being scum just because he's scared and doesn't know what the fuck else to do


katsuki, if anything it makes it harder that Spyspy's not here since we've only been in like one game together where we were the same alignment (Revolution Mafia)

[kuribo]

no, what's terrible is you unvoting without placing a vote


are you that worried for pretentioushydra?

[kuribo]

to be fair, TDK, i powerfucked all of my scum buddies in C-22 and then lynched everyone that suspected me while throwing wave after wave of bullshit at the town and riding deus ex machima to endgame

[kuribo]

no, what's terrible is you unvoting without placing a vote


are you that worried for pretentioushydra?

i don't even know what that means

i was in the process of typing out a reads list when i noticed there was a sudden outbreak of wrongness that could, if left untreated, have lead us to a town mislynch. once i have finished my reads list i will place a vote

don't play dumb with me, Quil, we both know you're not dumb.

you unvoted pretentious while they were in no immediate danger, which would have been fine if it weren't for the fact that it's not like you placed your vote somewhere else

i'm asking you if you voted pretentious just to be seen on the wagon, and then unvoted not because you wanted to place a vote elsewhere but because you no longer wanted to be on the wagon?

[kuribo]

people do that as scum, actually


and fair enough about being the first person on the wagon, but then again if your vote was truly RVS then why did you get cold feet once it picked up steam? again, they weren't in immediate danger and already the wagon had started fizzling

[kuribo]

loving the conspiracy theory tone you got going kuribo

we both know i can read you, so don't act like i have no reason to be asking you questions.


EBWOP: seriously? i didn't say it had "just picked up steam," i said it had picked up steam in the time since you had placed your vote, and indeed, attention had already started to shift elsewhere by the time you removed your vote

you placed first vote, the wagon "picked up steam" over the next ten pages or so, but by the time you unvoted on page 13, people were already starting to look elsewhere

[kuribo]

read differently to me, ah well

i don't really get it? like, you're saying people were already starting to look elsewhere. i am one of those people. i have explained why i unvoted.

my point remains that by the time you unvoted, your vote was harming no one. pretentious was not in danger. and typically, when a person removes their RVS vote, it's because they've decided to place a more meaningful vote. but you didn't do that--- you didn't unvote to free up your vote to place elsewhere. you just unvoted to get off the wagon.

like, you're saying i got 'cold feet'

where did you get that impression? why are you putting words into my mouth? how can someone get cold feet after the wagon has reached its peak?

i'm not putting words in your mouth, i'm interpreting your actions. kind of a prerequisite for scumhunting. it's disingenuous to paint it as anything but.

and it's perfectly reasonable to think you got "cold feet" on a fizzling wagon, perhaps you saw it as the perfect time to hop off unnoticed. maybe you're scum and he's town and you decided you wanted no part of the mislynch. maybe you're scum together and you saw your RVS vote mature into something bigger, so now you want to relieve the pressure. i haven't figured all that out yet, but i'll be damned if i'm not going to question you for it.

[kuribo]

i unvoted so that i could free my vote to place it somewhere else,

exactly!


EXACTLY


BECAUSE YOU DIDN'T PLACE IT ANYWHERE ELSE

[kuribo]

not to mention, quilford, you say you hopped off the wagon because you no longer supported it. fine, whatever, but you didn't explain WHY you no longer supported it

[kuribo]

are you going to be absurdly technical about this? i only have one vote. therefore, i need to unvote to replace it. even by typing 'vote: y' i am still unvoting.

my point is, what harm was your vote doing on pretentious if you wanted to replace it? if you no longer supported the wagon, why didn't you explain your reason for that at the time? don't you think the town should know why you felt pretentious was town?

[kuribo]

if you like the drench read so much, does that mean you think Drench is scum?

[kuribo]

Wait

If you liked Pretentious because of the Drench vote


and you think Drench is scum


why didn't you just vote Drench when you unvoted?

Why did it take me saying something for you to do that?

And where's that list you've been compiling?

[kuribo]

yep

to answer your utterly predictable next question: i did not vote drench in the same post that i unvoted because i was, like i have said, compiling a reads list that would determine whether i had a stronger scum read than drench

oh, you already answered that


don't mind me, my bloodstream is probably 10% robotussin at this point

[kuribo]

guy signs up for a Reck game


guy doesn't expect spam and cursing

[kuribo]

In my opinion, Kuribo and Vollkan over reacted to his actions - and thus 3 pages of this thread were spent trying to build a case against someone for something small. I've noted this by the way, and because of this I have scum leans on both Kuribo and Vollkan.

I wasn't "trying to build a case," I presented to him a line of questioning regarding questionable behavior, and I felt he was talking me in circles. If I wasn't (presently) satisfied with the responses I (eventually) got, I'd be voting him.

And honestly, you wouldn't know scum-me even if you were a mason and I counter-claimed you with my scum buddy.

[kuribo]

And honestly, you wouldn't know scum-me even if you were a mason and I counter-claimed you with my scum buddy.

isn't that sorta what scum you does?

scum me kills off strong players, flips wagons around onto the people that suspect him, pushes wagons to collect L-1 claims, then claims early so I can later change the claim several times and eventually devolve the town into such jibbering madness that they keep me alive despite having a near-universal scum read on me because they're too busy arguing with one another

not that I don't scream at people as town, but a well-trained eye can tell when I'm doing it out of legitimate annoyance or when I'm doing it to distract the town

[kuribo]

kuribo's posting seems like it's making a mountain out of a molehill, I felt like I gained no more information from his argument with Quilford than I had before the argument, yet kuribo's treating it like he just found something big.

you mean other than the part where I already explained and I'm not treating it at all like something big?

/viewtopic.php?p=4533393#p4533393]post 467[/url], ThunderHog"]In my opinion, Kuribo and Vollkan over reacted to his actions - and thus 3 pages of this thread were spent trying to build a case against someone for something small. I've noted this by the way, and because of this I have scum leans on both Kuribo and Vollkan.[/quote]

I wasn't "trying to build a case," I presented to him a line of questioning regarding questionable behavior, and I felt he was talking me in circles. If I wasn't (presently) satisfied with the responses I (eventually) got, I'd be voting him.[/quote]

there's a huge, huge, HUGE fucking difference between trying to get someone lynched and expecting them to answer for something you feel is scummy. and even if i didn't feel it was incredibly scummy, so what? by engaging him about it, i drew him into posting and after he talked circles around me for a bit, I started picking up more town vibes from him.

the whole thing could have been avoided if he'd been more straightforward from the get-go, but hell, I'm willing to look past that.


in the meantime, Om, stop regurgitating crap that you've seen other people eat

[kuribo]

oh how nice, i fucked up my quote tags, well that's just great

[kuribo]

If you have nothing new to add, and you're already aware of it, why are you even bothering to post it?

[kuribo]

oh is this the part where we all pretend we're gonna lynch fate day 1?



geez, i was wondering when we were gonna get to that, but typically i want no part of it

[kuribo]

It's not as stupid as the entire Quilford wagon though.

I don't recall a Quilford wagon. What I do recall is me and vollkan asking him some questions until we got a satisfactory answer.

And honestly, it's annoying the piss out of me to hear people calling it anything but that.

But, you know, I'm trying to keep my rage under control so I don't threaten to imprison anyone inside of an orb at the bottom of the sea, or invoke the Holocaust or any of that other stuff that finally drove me to retire just because I felt like I was becoming entirely too mean, and sure, part of it was the fact that my wife was a cheating whore, and a little bitterness and resentment toward the fact that i had to see her every day talking to that skinny little bitch she plays world of warcraft with, but by god we're separated now and while she's still a colossal fucking thundercunt who two months ago ran my computer under the kitchen faucet, i'm really trying to not take it out on others.


so, if you want to complain about the Quilford "wagon" or "line of questioning" or what the hell ever, by all means, feel free to keep it to yourself. It is nothing more or less than what I said it was.

[kuribo]

we're not pretending.

I'd bet you my left nut Fate doesn't get lynched today.

[kuribo]

Trollie scared the wagon is going places and doesn't want to bus the best scum on the team day 1 I guess?

On the wagon for 3 minutes when OD votes and he's like abandon ship

Trollie would remember Catch-22 Mafia and hopefully be more willing to burn his scumteam to the ground if necessary.

Did you read it as genuine idiocy or fake scum idiocy?

I'm biased because I

always see trollie as a genuine idiot.

don't generally recognize when less-than-strong players are pretending to be stupid.

[kuribo]

Are you drunk, you scumfuck?

I don't have a read on Wyrd yet. What do you expect after, what? Three posts?

Do you want me to hold your fucking hand and walk you through sane logic like the developmentally disabled child you undoubtedly are?

Do I really need to explain why it's a bad lynch when there are better lynches to be had? (Hint: it's you,

you scummy little shit

)

[kuribo]

chesskid, the thread's barely been open a full day, come off it


zoidberg, I'm gonna overlook your smartass post, but if you keep it up, you're gonna be in for a storm warning

I don't claim to be able to read fate after three fucking posts, nor should anyone with half a brain. I pride myself on being able to read DGB, btw, and I don't have a read on her because she's not fucking posting. I'm not willing to lynch her either.

My massive erection for fate? Oh, excuse me if I'm not willing to lynch a fucking null-read on day 1.

Zoid, consider this post your official Storm Warning.

[kuribo]

massive erection my fucking ass


see, this shit is why I retired in the first place, it's so fucking hard to stay civil when people post such abject fucking idiocy

[kuribo]

Hey, Zoidberg, you think you can read Fate so fucking good, explain your scumread on him when you just hopped onto that wagon like a little bitch

[kuribo]

so, if you want to complain about the Quilford "wagon" or "line of questioning" or what the hell ever, by all means, feel free to keep it to yourself. It is nothing more or less than what I said it was.

It was dumb and I'm going to tell you it was dumb, but you weren't the really dumb part. And btw give into the dark side.

I'm trying to behave myself because I've got two or three games in the past six months where people replaced out because I was a dick to them. I got mislynched at LYLO in another game just because someone wanted me to shut the fuck up. And, finally, I've been told several times that if I could just stop getting sidetracked arguing with the mentally disabled people, I'd probably have a better town winrate.

[kuribo]

http://forum.mafiascum.net/search.php?a ... 6&sr=posts


Thread opened monday, role pms were sent to mains of all people in hydras.

Give ME a break.

okay, 48 hours, not 24


god damn robotussin

[kuribo]

It's not scumfate either, though, and it's sure as hell not scum Nuwen.

I'll grant you that it's not a towntell, but it's damn sure not enough to string him.

[kuribo]

VOTE: WYRD

BTW, Katsuki tossing his vote on Fate without another word is suspicious as all hell to me.

[kuribo]

Hey, Zoidberg, you think you can read Fate so fucking good, explain your scumread on him when you just hopped onto that wagon like a little bitch

Aww, are you upset that I'm voting your bff?

answer my fucking question, you disingenuous little shit

[kuribo]

Tick tock, Clarice

[kuribo]

You can keep that shit all you want, but the obvious fact is that your scum-read is manufactured and you're trying to cover it by being smarmy as fuck.

My vote's not moving, and Zoidberg, you smug little dumbass, when you get to the Dead QT, tell them I sent you, fucker.

[kuribo]

You're full of shit, Zoidberg.

I never said we weren't lynching Fate just because he's a "celebrity." And in fact, if you hand anything between your fucking ears besides CRACK ROCKS, you'd know that I've lynched Fate several times. Hell, I've even caught him out as scum. I also patiently explained to you that I was opposed to the obvious quickwagon because there's no god damn way anyone has a read on him yet.

So don't fucking give that bullshit, because you have no fucking clue what you're talking about.

[kuribo]

Please quote where I said I had a scum read you stupid motherfucker.

YOUR SCUM READ ON FATE



YOU ILLITERATE FUCKING TURBOCUNT

[kuribo]

ah geez zoid, you see what you done, now you got me channeling GreyIce and calling people turbocunt



i swear, you try to be fuckin nice to people

[kuribo]

Now, if we want to start a P-hydra wagon - I'm in. It's true that I do have a town-lean read on him, but this entire thread would be so much more bearable were he not in it - and in a game this large I'd be willing to sacrifice a town-lean for a much better rest of the game.

Yeah, this post can die too.

[kuribo]

I never said we weren't lynching Fate just because he's a "celebrity." And in fact, if you hand anything between your fucking ears besides CRACK ROCKS, you'd know that I've lynched Fate several times. Hell, I've even caught him out as scum. I also patiently explained to you that I was opposed to the obvious quickwagon because there's no god damn way anyone has a read on him yet.

Right, so IF NOBODY HAS A READ WHY ARE YOU AFRAID OF SEEING WHERE THE WAGON TAKES US? That's why I voted.

Please quote where I said I had a scum read you stupid motherfucker.

YOUR SCUM READ ON FATE



YOU ILLITERATE FUCKING TURBOCUNT

Quote it then, you stupid pussy. Quote me saying I have a scum read on Wyrd.

Pardon me for assuming you wouldn't vote a town read then.

And was it that fucking hard to answer "Hey, why'd you toss this vote in here?" instead of trying to be a smartass little girl?

[kuribo]

Why would I assume you had anything other than a scum read on Wyrd?

YOU DIDN'T FUCKING EXPLAIN WHY YOU VOTED


AND WHEN ASKED WHY


YOU DIDN'T FUCKING ANSWER

It's because you didn't have a fucking answer at the time.

[kuribo]

If this is what you were trying to say Kuribo, then now I understand. Could've just went all caveman and said it like this...

Let me calm my shit and explain in more civil terms.

I dislike the idea of stringing up a town read "for the greater good" of the town. There are always scummier targets than someone you think is town but annoying.

[kuribo]

VOTE: WYRD

BTW, Katsuki tossing his vote on Fate without another word is suspicious as all hell to me.

Eh how so?

Because, (and as I was about to explain to Katsuki), Katsuki can read Fate pretty fairly well. But I'm calling bullshit that Katsuki didn't invoke that fact when he tossed his vote into the wagon.

And Katsuki, don't forget I've also seen you misread Fate. (And myself when you tried to kill me in Weather Mafia II thinking I was opposite-scum but lololololol dat bodyguard vig)

I'm out for the day while I calm the fuck down.

yeah, wouldn't wanna get all pissed off and make some scum slips, now would you?


it's okay, run back to your QT and beg them to protect you. I'll just be here lynching you while you're gone.

[kuribo]

That does bring me to something though:

Katsuki, Fate asked DGB to help him lynch NS. What do you think of that? Not of lynching NS, but of Fate wanting to lynch him.

[kuribo]

Pretend I'm new to this and walk me through it then, TDK

[kuribo]

This argument between Kuribo and yourself isn't really my business, at all. However, I would like for you to explain why you would even consider making this switch in your vote at the current time. I mean, I agree with it entirely - I'm just trying to understand where you're coming from here.

It's because he got called out for being on Fatewagon, and since it wasn't going anywhere he may as well get onto another wagon. But we're pretending we don't know that, see.

[kuribo]

Ok.

*Points to under name*
*Posts every Fate-scum game where Katsuki was town*
*Send a few deathfleets to rape shit*

Think of this as one of those times where you just have to build what I tell you to, reinforce my fleets, and have your hand held in victory.

can't I just talk shit and colony spam?

[kuribo]

look, despite what Zoidberg seems to think, I'm not objective to the idea of lynching Fate, I'm only objective to the idea of lynching him over three posts

[kuribo]

GOD AT LEAST GIVE FATE A CHANCE TO CLAIM BELOVED PRINCESS AND THEN WAIT FOR UMBRAGE TO REPLACE IN

[kuribo]

AH GEEZ chesskid, are you a lyncher again

[kuribo]

Oh fuck no, man, I am not touching this they-said, they-said hydra bullshit with a ten foot fucking pole.

Like I trust any of the hydras enough to not be playing the fucking telephone game with the town.


honestly, it makes me just want to start lynching downward from the hydras to get them the fuck out

[kuribo]

nope, DGB's town until she drops that rock-solid scumtell I have on her, plus her posting level and style is her townplay


also i'm a gay mason with her

okay, I'm not, but she's still town

[kuribo]

Spoiler: a history of my unvotes without revotes, dedicated to: kuribo (warning: quote wall inside)

UNVOTE:

Subject: Micro 17 - Delayed Mafia - {Game Over!}

Okay you know what maybe I should sleep on this.

UNVOTE:

UNVOTE: because DeasWave isn't scum anymore.

Subject: Micro 17 - Delayed Mafia - {Game Over!}

UNVOTE:

Subject: Micro 17 - Delayed Mafia - {Game Over!}

UNVOTE:

Subject: Open 435: Great Idea Mafia (Day 4)

You know, while I want yellowbounder dead, I'm not sure I find him all that scummy.

UNVOTE:

Will do more stuff this weekend.

Subject: Otters vs. Tigers vs. Sharks - GAME OVER

UNVOTE: RedCoyote

Subject: Mini 1319: Divided Germany Mafia (Ende)

UNVOTE:

Subject: Animal Rescue: petsPick (Game Over!)

UNVOTE:

Subject: Open 328: Mad Social Science (2of4) (Game Over, Town wins)

Actually, I dunno.

UNVOTE:

Subject: Open 326: Pick Your Poison (Ende des Speils!)

UNVOTE:

Subject: Open 328: Mad Social Science (2of4) (Game Over, Town wins)

UNVOTE:

Same problem with VitR re: townreads.

Subject: Newbie 1135 - Game Over! Town Wins!

Again, it's not necessarily the case. It's just reasoning that supports the existence of a doctor or jailkeeper.

Actually.

I can see Rhinox's reactions as potentially coming from a power role.

UNVOTE:

Subject: Double-Dip Mafia, Game Over

UNVOTE:

Subject: Open 324 - Ninja Mafia (End. No Drama, please!)

UNVOTE:

Rereadinggggg

Subject: Double-Dip Mafia, Game Over

DGB, link me to a game where you have raged at the town like this when you were town.

Crazy's case is stupid and I don't have the patience to explain why.

UNVOTE:
UNVOTE:

Subject: Bowser's Revenge! 5p Vengeful -[LOSE]-

NS

WHAT

SLIP

UNVOTE:

Subject: Newbie #1118 (Game Over!)

Sigh.
UNVOTE: sanchocolates / The Tick

Subject: Anybody Awake? mafia - 5p vengeful. (GAME OVER. Mafia win.)

UNVOTE:

Subject: OPEN 310 - Medical Mafia - TOWN WIN

UNVOTE:
Conflicting reads on Tim.

Subject: Mini1147-Royal Mafia at the Round Table (Game Over!)

UNVOTE:

Reconsidering Twistedspoon.

Subject: Mini1147-Royal Mafia at the Round Table (Game Over!)

UNVOTE: Farside

ugh

Subject: Newbie 1103: Just Another Chaotic Town (Game Over)

Forgot.

UNVOTE: FireStorm

again more stuff later sorry for triple posting etc etc

Subject: Open 301: Friends and Enemies and Enemies: Over. Town Win.

I'm pretty sure after I said Empking was 'goodposting' waaaaaay back when, and Meransiel called it 'buddying', he instantly tried to distance from me. I'm also pretty sure he's been sheeping almost all game. Plus Mask's reactions have made me unsure about voting him.

UNVOTE:

Subject: Mini1147-Royal Mafia at the Round Table (Game Over!)

UNVOTE:
I now want a Maxous or LL lynch more than I do a farside lynch.

Subject: Newbie 1088 :: Game Over!

k

although we have massively different playstyles and opinions on the game, jedi's town

UNVOTE:

Subject: Mini1147-Royal Mafia at the Round Table (Game Over!)

D:

3 is a really, really good point

UNVOTE:

OKAY FOR FUCKS SAKE WE GET IT


JESUS FUCKING CHRISTq

[kuribo]

i dont get it

[kuribo]

Jesus fuck my ass. I must be slipping in my old age because I actually agree with OM of all people. I hope you fuckers are happy.

Anyway I'm at work so I can't g over the last twelve hours with a fine tooth comb. But did Wyrd just claim vengeful? Because there's only one play to make when someone claims vengeful.

[kuribo]

okay, I read that QT in probably the most fitting place possible (while taking a shit at a nursing home)

So if the hydras are swearing that the QT is filled with damning information against Fate, why is it I feel that this is the only right call:

Unvote
Vote: One Direction

Basically I see, the QT being:

"Hey, let's massclaim!"
"Actually let's massclaim once Fate is dead!"
"Okay let's all get Fate lynched, then we can massclaim!"
"Town's not just gonna lynch Fate, let's just make some shit up."

Okay, now then, there are some GOOD players in that QT.
Faraday is NOT a shit player. Not even close.

Then why is he pushing shit ideas in the QT?
Faraday's posts in that QT show an incredibly anti-town attitude.

And honestly, I'm pretty pissed off that the Hydra Neighborhood thought they could pull a fast one on us by thinking they could make shit up just to get someone lynched.

[kuribo]

Faraday's posts in that QT show an incredibly anti-town attitude.

even if this is true (It's not? The only thing that's borderline is the faking info? Massclaim is completely pro town and underutilised. Specific massclaim worked out great in strategy I thought) why does that make us scum?

Mostly, why would you trust the other people in the hydra QT? Either you already know their alignment, or you're just absolutely free with letting everyone know your role. Even further, you're expecting them to be comfortable telling you theirs.

Town mindset shoulda been, "What? No, I can't massclaim here, I don't know these fucking people!"

Now, Faraday, we both know you don't suck. So why did you trust the people in the QT enough to want a massclaim? And if you say it's because you had town reads on them, I'm going to piss myself laughing because there's no god damn way anyone can be THAT confident in their read of a 10-faced shitstorm.

[kuribo]

The whole stigma around massclaim being anti town is frustrating. It's something scum should fear.

ohhh that's right, I shoulda remembered your stance on this from MD

[kuribo]

I actually don't know if I've ever made a big stance on it in MD, are you confusing me with someone? (or is that sarcasm).

probably confusing you with someone, and to be fair i don't pay that much attention to MD


I agree that Kanye's role isn't the kind you can fakeclaim easily though.

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 9#p4540869 Kuribo thoughts on this post? Also do you have a read on DGB? I thought my case kinda owned but no one's really commented on it.

I dunno, my gut still tells me Zoid is scum. But while his rage toward me almost felt genuine enough to be town, that post seems to harken back to my initial assessment that Zoidberg is kinda "me too'ing" his way through the game.

DGB, I've leaned town on, but you gotta remember how hard she is to read Day 1. And the last few times I've played with her, either she was scum (Weather Mafia II), scum with me (Gay Mafia 1), Town against scum-me, (Red Dead Redemption Mafia) or I replaced her as scum (Rolling in the Deep). And the one time she was scum and I was town, I thought she was town clear up until LYLO when she practically gave up and eventually contradicted herself by calling me scum just a few pages after calling me town.

So, my read on DGB is basically that if she's scum, she's not gonna fuck up until at least the second day. And for the record, I tend to see Fate the same way. Fate as scum is way easier to catch after the first day.

[kuribo]

Trying to explain to people what they're doing wrong during a game is just impossible. Don't be silly.

I at least would like some help in post game.

Hydra with me and I will teach you how to hate.

[kuribo]

A few more thoughts but I won't be around much because I have a date tonight:

* Katsuki is probably town, which flies in the face of my usual theory that he lurks like a motherfucker as town and only posts as scum. Hear me out--- He never freaking buddies me as scum. He even buddied me a bit in the hydra QT, figuring I'd never see it. However, I believe Kats is confident enough in his Fate-read that he thinks Fate is scum.

* At least one or two scum lies among the lurkmass and is eagerly watching the town tear itself apart. Every scumteam has at least one kdowns.

* I don't know if Fate / Nuwen scum would have posted that QT if they felt the evidence in it was incriminating.

* Om is probably town, too. His frequent spammy posting just reeks of the kinda unfettered freedom that comes with not having a scum PM.

I have a handful of other thoughts, but they're staying with me for now.

[kuribo]

It's like hey lets lynch one direction and I can just say they sucked and no one will notice my shitty reason for jumping on the wagon.

but this is exactly what Zoid did with Fate, too

[kuribo]

Some of your posts in the QT are still kinda useless, but arguably less so.

(Who cares if 'some' are? Posting fluff is something I enjoy? )

yeh. fluff posting is not, nor has it ever been a valid scumtell. and i will argue that until the day i die.

and for OM to call someone else out for making a few "useless" posts? oh for fucks sake.

[kuribo]

See, now that's two multiball slips for you DGB.

The first one I just chalked up to your usual large theme paranoia, but now a second one?

Why are you assuming two scumteams?

[kuribo]

Its a slip when there hasn't been any nightkills yet. The town has no idea how many scum there are, but a smallish scumteam could figure that out based on the size of their own team.


Further:

1) lots of large themes aren't multiball
2) Gay Mafia itself wasn't
3) you always think NS is third party
4) whut

[kuribo]

Ah shit. I iso'd you DGB and I think you dropped that solid scumtell of yours

[kuribo]

Oh well since you put it that way

[kuribo]

Hey Faraday, you know that solid scumtell I keep mentioning on DGB?

Its third party hunting. She did it in the two games you mentioned and also the first gay Mafia.

The difference here, and the only thing staying my hand, is that she hasn't tried to get either.of her third party suspects lynched.

[kuribo]

PS. About rolling in the deep, it was me that replaced her and got the town to Lynch PINESK.

[kuribo]

I'd like kuribo to follow up on his DGB tell (did she drop it? were you mistaken? if you're having doubts then you're probably overthinking and you should find something else to read her)

That's my line of thinking right now, and the reason I didn't vote her. As I said before, the SK-hunting tell was a little iffy when I posted about it, because even though she seems to have pegged who she thinks are the third parties... she hasn't really "gone after" them.

In Gay Mafia, she hounded NS relentlessly.

I disagree that you're third party, though I do believe when you say you can only hammer.

I've got more to say but you'll all just have to wait till I get home from The Hobbit tomorrow night.

[kuribo]

I've got more to say but you'll all just have to wait till I get home from The Hobbit tomorrow night.

Yeah, I seriously don't remember what else I was gonna post.

Nuwen is sick with Mono so I have to actually be helpful at home

isn't that the kissing disease

unvote Thunderhog

I'm back. Fortunately it doesn't seem like things have gotten too out of control over the weekend.

you seem to be doing this wrong though so let me help you recitfy that

Unvote, Vote: Thunderhog

Based on the last two pages I've skimmed, this thing is as useless to this town as pussy in a gay dick factory. Scum at worst, idiot town at best.

I don't like how the Zoidberg wagon tried to resurge--- hell, even I'm not convinced Zoid is scum at this point. One Direction, ehhhhhhhhh, fuck my life, man, that hydra QT had me so sure, but here's the pisser--- the rest of his play is coming across as Faraday town. I'm actually having a hard time getting anything out of that Hydra QT besides a clusterfuck that baffles my reads.

For DGB to complain about spamming while spamming herself is pretty much town-DGB. She did the same in Red Dead Redemption. Well, I mean, it may not be a town-tell, but it's definitely just a DGB-tell.

I'd bet the hair of my cheating whore of a soon to be ex-wife that there's still scum in the lurkmass. I feel like I'm missing something, though. I don't know.

[kuribo]

they were active before they were under attack too though

[kuribo]

holy shit DGB, why does that remind me of the end of Weather Mafia II?

[kuribo]

what the hell is a bookie anyway?

[kuribo]

oh, yeah, fuck that guy in straight-person hell then

[kuribo]

much as it pains me to admit it because fuck that guy too, but Zoid is town based on ThunderHog's hate for him. I'm not thinking this guy is smart enough to bus Zoid, and I was already starting to lean town on Zoid anyway based on our interactions

the only question is.... was Thunder trying to take pressure off someone (DGB? OD? P-hydra? I don't really remember who was the leading wagon when he re-voted Zoid) by redirecting it onto Zoid? It's pretty obvious he was annoyed that the Zoid wagon fizzled.

I need to go back and read Thunder's ISO in context before I decide on that.

[kuribo]

Oh yeah and DW is always good given what Kise has told me he's playing like how he did in Gay Mafia as my scumbuddy.

THANK YOU TDK

I was starting to think I was crazy. DW's play here does remind me of Gay Mafia I.

[kuribo]

ah geez it's mini librarian like we don't have enough lynch fodder running around


GUESS WHO GOT STOOD UP ON HIS DATE probably shouldnt be dating recovering heroin addicts anyway


thinkin its time for binge drinkin

[kuribo]

THE SUM IOF MINI LIBRARINA IS NO LESSER THAN THE WHOL OF HIS NOBODY SPECILA


this is about to lcsoe right i think i should htake this to MD or somethhbni

[kuribo]

I

SHAVED MY LEGS

CAME OUT OF RETIREMENT FOR THIS?!

[kuribo]

DGB, I said it in the Dead QT--- you made the right call by killing me off early.


As someone who also adheres to the mindset of "flail so wildly at endgame that town just gets trolled into doing your bidding," I would have been all over that bit of yours about the mod confirmation being the work of scum. No mod would ever allow a scum messenger role to confirm himself to a living player.

That was so insane that it was brilliant, because it shouldn't have worked.

[kuribo]

A funny thing in the scum QT is them marveling at my bad reads and putting almost the whole scum team in my town column. I actually inverted most of my reads while trying to remain credible to avoid the scum shooting me and finding out I'm BP.
.

I also predicted early on that you had figured out iec as the last scum since you were tiptoeing around him at endgame--- he was the only player you didn't run wagon on, and you needed him to help you kill town.

[kuribo]

And @ the scum QT--- iec, I wasn't softclaiming adele, Rolling in the Deep was a game where I replaced DGB as scum and then trolled the town into lynching the serial killer

[kuribo]

dram

the fact that DGB posted these and didn't get lynched:

Zoraster, who was confirmed town by Om, who has flipped town

I may be paranoid but there are a lot of iffy things about this "confirmation" that smells of scum shenanigans, including:

(1) this happened day 2, not day 1. Reasons are dodgy.
(2) this happened after the JOAT-traitor was presumably recruited.
(3) Om, who was no threat to anyone, was promptly killed off the next night to seal the deal.
(4) your surprise that YOU were confirmed rather than some other random player sounds really contrived.

I believe that the scumteam is uber powerful and that you may be the weak link.

SO CLAIM NOW

Om nom got a RESULT PM, he didn't get a "message PM" or whatever it was the JOAT sent. I assume there is a pretty big difference and that Om knows the difference.

You claimed to have gotten a joat message before, right? What did it look like?

I won't speculate on whether Om would know the difference. He might not. Your assumption that there would be a BIG difference is just an assumption.

If you want to speculate, maybe the JOAT could fake-confirm another player in his arsenal, and that was the most valuable power he had, and used it on Night 2, after you recruted him..

I mean... you LYNCHED CONFIRMED TOWN UNDER THE ASSUMPTION THAT A COMPETENT MOD WOULD ALLOW SCUM TO MOD-CONFIRM THEMSELVES TO A LIVING PLAYER


I wish Spyspy was here so he could yell at you, too.

[kuribo]

Now hush.

I don't give up when I find scum.

You really should have killed me.

Now, you're going to pay.

lol the irony, considering he DID try to kill you

[kuribo]

Town had power. Just that true to Gay Mafia tradition,scum managed to out them

[kuribo]

since we're talking about Fate

It annoyed the unending dog piss out of my mancock that Zoidberg thought I wouldn't lynch Fate as part of some "fan club" or whatever

Sure, he was scum, but the point I was making was that ScumFate is usually harder to pick off on Day 1. I myself rarely have a read on the guy first day. And he's pretty much never going to be the Day 1 lynch, regardless of his alignment. I've pushed wagon on scumfate before. I've called his bluff during gambits. But none of this ever happened the first day.

I'd say the same about DGB, some players are extremely hard to lynch. And players that don't lynch easily generally don't get lynched on Day 1.

[kuribo]

kuribo, i don't deny this is true, but does it need to be said during the game? does that really help anything?

probably not, but I dunno if you've noticed, I tend not to stop and consider that sort of thing before I post during games :-p

[kuribo]

It isn't that it's too hard to try, it's more that I generally don't have a solid read on Fate Day 1

of course, I've freely admitted that I'm at my weakest on my first day of play. even when I replace into games, the first day that I join the game is the time when I have the hardest time developing my reads

[kuribo]

DGB played brilliantly and she made sure that the people who would see through The Mist didn't live to endgame, though, chesskid

[kuribo]

It's so easy to win as scum on this site because of dumb people.

I dunno, to win Catch-22, I had to:

be such a douche that my own godfather replaced out
air all of my personal business on the site
bus every single one of my scumbuddies into oblivion
lie relentlessly to some of my favorite posters
get deus-ex-machima in the form of an unexpected doc protect
burn my town meta to the ground so violently that I now have a hard time convincing people I'm town
get obviously town players lynched as they one by one began to suspect me
face the creeping realization that i will never have that much fun as scum again

although I admit that setting up the endgame scenario in which Toogs voted himself figuring the game was auto-win... that was pretty fun

[kuribo]

get deus-ex-machima in the form of an unexpected doc protect

SELF doc protect, that is

[kuribo]

Scumbag kuribo:

[kuribo]

I'VE MADE MY CHOICE OF FONT DAMMIT

[kuribo]

kill kuribo

yeah, it was pretty clear that by the end of Day 1 I was warming up to the idea of DGB being scum

By the end of the game, I'd have been howling for her lynch, and I'd have never accepted the idea that a friendly neighbor could be scum