Newbie 1310: A WILD CHARIZARD APPEARED! - GAME OVER

[Xegarus]

VOTE: Dyrynify

His name is before mine, therefore he must be in cahoots with the mod.
I know how people think. Must think i'm reel dum like.

[Xegarus]

1#
What drew me towards Mafia is the fact that it's like a detective game. And i'm one of those guys that loves to prove otherw wrong so it would be perfect for me.
Assuming im correct.
I'm also taking Law in college and this could make an excellent training ground for me.

2#
I do take things seriously, but i know when people are just havin g a laugh and will probably take part in them.

3#
I don't get many gut feelings.
My decisions are usually based on facts and evidence. But when i do, its usually because i have a strong reason to believe them. So i would say that I'm not that indecisive but if i ever change my opinion on things, there must have been some very strong evidence to make me change.


Or as this game goes, i could be lying about every single thing..........

[Xegarus]

Or as this game goes, i could be lying about every single thing..........

Why specifically point out the possibility that you could be lying? If you're town aligned, do you feel it's beneficial to lie at any time? Or do you think it's something purely scum would do?

The best lies are the ones that have some truth with them. With that state of mind, the best thing for scum to do is tell the truth.
I know it puts me on the spotlight. But unfortunately for me, i was always thought to look at both sides of the argument and thats the approach i take for many things in life.

If i am town, i have absolutely no reason to lie. If i am scum, i would have to hide my lies.
There is a possibility that i could get lynched by telling the truth because someone else lied.
And assuming i'm town, scum could kill me off early on for simply telling the truth.


I'll say this now, i'm a vanilla town.
Whether i'm lying or not is up to you.
But if something doesn't add up, then SOMEONE did lie.

[Xegarus]

If i gain nothing, then it doesn't really matter whether i do it or not.
Whats to loose?

[Xegarus]

If i gain nothing, then it doesn't really matter whether i do it or not.
Whats to loose?

........apart from your trust.

Well i seem to be doing well, huh?

/sarcasm

[Xegarus]

Scum may know who's town, but they don't know who has the power roles.
I get that.
But scum can't tell if my claim is true or not.
They can think I'm vanilla and let me live, but if I have a power role, I could survive and use it.
Scum still only knows as much as they did before.

[Xegarus]

Ok, first serious vote: VOTE: Xegarus

I feel like the claim is an attempt to cast doubt on his alignment early that he can point to later.

I may look suspicious, guys, but remember my page one roleclaim? I'm town, guys!

So you're voting for me because you think it MAY be useful for me, if i was scum, in the future?

So you're voting for me because i haven't done anything scummy but i may in the future?
Have you got any evidence that i may do something? Or is the RC all you're basing this off?

So why not vote for everyone? Especially those that haven't done anything scummy cause they may do something in the future.
Or are you just working your way down the list?

[Xegarus]

Nacho, you haven't said a single thing. Whats your take on all this?

[Xegarus]

@Dyrynify

Also, why would pointing to an earlier claim some how magically dispell any scum like behavior in the future?
How would it be a town tell?

Your whole accusation looks like it was made for the sake of being made. If anything thats the most scummy thing to have happend so far.

Sure i made a RC early but in no way is it a scum tell and it really doesnt stand up as a town tell.

@Nacho


I understand how random questions can be a stupid thing and basically force people to post for the sake of posting. But is that really so bad early on in the game? (thats a serious question)

Also
It better not be a crap one.

[Xegarus]

Forgot to validite my vote.
Serious VOTE: Dyrynify

[Xegarus]

VOTE: Xegarus

because Dyrynify's claim sounds legit and because it's too early in the game for me to deduce anything on my own. :B

[Xegarus]

Wow. A crappy image instead of trying to actually refute my assertion, and a revenge vote with absolutely no supporting reasons? I at least had a reason for my vote, weather that reason was right or wrong.

I gotta tell ya, Xegarus, you are not doing yourself any favors. You just keep gathering scum points.

The image was to em+ for actually have no reason to vote for me other than the fact that you did.

I gave my reason for voting for you. Your vote towards me was scummy as your reason for voting was close to nonexistent and only consisted of "you RCed".

And the rest, you're just trying to fish someting out. So how many scum points do i have? Cause i bet it still doesn't even dent your score.

[Xegarus]

Wut? Making a RC early is in a long way to a scum tell. And yes, it doesn't stand up as a town tell necessarily, which is why you shouldn't have done it. I think you're one of the few here that doesn't think this is kind of scummy (or at least a bad idea), and it is a very good reason for a vote for you.

In sum, almost never RC, and never claim law student, lol.

I'll agree with you when you say that i don't think of a RC as a scum tell, i see it as a neutral thing.
I would side towards it being a bad idea but thats as far as i would think of it.

But i see Dyrynify's early accusation and even faster vote to be very odd. His reasons for doing so seem to be very small and vague.
Almost as if he is clutching at straws.

He says that i RC'd early so that i could use it in the future.
Now assuming i am scum and i do RC, what good would it really do in the future?
I'm sure a RC is one of the first things people would dismiss if something smelt fishy.
So it really wouldn't be too great a defense on my part.

Also em+'s vote is really concerning me.
Just looks like jumping onto the bandwagon to me. Gives no reason other than

Dyrynify's claim sounds legit and because it's too early in the game for me to deduce anything on my own.

I can't be the only that thinks this is odd.

And Om, you think you could elaborate on that?


REAL LIFE NOTE
I will be away for the majority of the day tomorrow.
I may show if my phones crappy 3G works. Should be away for a day at the very most.

[Xegarus]

You always lynch on D1. You lynch on most days. The reason is lynching is how scum dies. If you don't lynch, scum don't die. Love your lynch.

Nacho, post you barnacle.

Are you sure its always good to lynch everyday, especially D1?

If you lynch say on D1, you have a chance of getting scum, which is great but you also have a chance getting town. Now N1, a town will always be killed. So by lynching eveyday, you increase the chance of losing 2 town compared to only loosing 1.
Now i know that eliminating scum is how you win the game for town. But can't that be said as keeping as many townies alive?

Mmmm... don't do this. If you are lying as town, then your PR claim won't be believed down the road, which is a very, very bad thing, since you would probably be forced to claim when a majority of the town finds you scummy anyways. If you are telling the truth as town, then you're basically saying "hey guys, I make a perfectly good mislynch! Don't kill me!" if they paranoid of you being a PR, they will rolecop you. They will not kill you. If you are mafia, this just brings the spotlight to you.

So what you're saying that it's a bad move if i am town or scum. Hence just a bad move altogether?

If you gain nothing, you probably don't want to do it. You can never really gauge consequences until they are hitting you in the face in most scenarios.

Sure, you can't gauge some consequences until it's too late.

I really like em+d and Dyr for town.

Why?
Am i really to close to see exactly whats so town about them?

And yeah, gonna vote Doc anyways.

What is the main reason why?

[Xegarus]

I would like elaboration as to why theres a wagon on the doctor and why empdear is town. I see dry and xegarus as town. Don't know about nacho. He wan this chummy in our last game. *Wasnt

And what was he in your last game?
I know I probably shouldn't ask about previous games as they arn't directly relevant but I'm a little curious now.

[Xegarus]

Really? Pretty sure I buddied the hell out of camn last game until I thought she was scum.

So buddy-ing can mean something or absolutely nothing?

[Xegarus]

Ok, and i found the hastiness of your vote scummy. As if trying to get something to happen quickly.

[Xegarus]

I should also say that while i don't think RC Is THAT big of a deal, i do concede that it may have been a bad idea.

[Xegarus]

The mafia knows that you are not a PR, or you are mafia and you brought attention to yourself.

How would they know if i am or not a PR?
They would have to believe me first. Its not like anyone is taking anything at face value.

If i was either mafia or town, i kinda have already brought attention to myself.

[Xegarus]

I like how most of you missed the point.
I have already accepted that it was a bad idea.
I was mearly asking Doc how they would know that I am not a PR.
He specifically said 'now they know you are not a PR'
I've actually said before that scum knows as much as they did before.
Meaning yeh sure they know who is scum, therefore they know who is town, but they do not know the roles.
Scum would still have to either believe me or not.
But thank you seriously for telling me what I already know.

As CF said, this argument was settled.

[Xegarus]

....Its still on?
Woops.

I planned to unvote during the 'I voted for you for Y' post I made.
I should stop using my phone.

UNVOTE:
I was going to say that my reason for voting was his hastiness but as time has gone by, the less I actually believe it my self.

[Xegarus]

....Its still on?
Woops.

I planned to unvote during the 'I voted for you for Y' post I made.
I should stop using my phone.

UNVOTE:
I was going to say that my reason for voting was his hastiness but as time has gone by, the less I actually believe it my self.

Not going to place it on anyone?

Any thoughts on Doc?

Not as of this moment, no.

I understand why people have voted for Doc so far. He didn't comment on my RC when it was discussed and later he appeared to be playing it safe by 'sitting on the fence' as some of you have but it. (If i missed something out, let me know.)

I can see how all that can look pretty scummy.
But i feel Smash looks a bit scummy too by bringing up discussions that were settled very early on.
At this point in time they both seem viable but i can't pick one over the other. I would have to see how things go between these two before i can really make a desicion. I'm not going to vote based on guts alone. Thats the least likely excuse for me cause i'm just not comfortable with it.

Could i ask what CF's reason for picking Smash over Doc was?

[Xegarus]

Could you possibly be a little more non committal, Doc? Thanks.

Oh, I'm sorry. I didn't realize I had to commit to anything. Let me fix that. I don't have a fucking clue if he is town or not.

No need to get so aggressive about it.

[Xegarus]

It doesn't matter just vote Smash.

-_-

...


Why?

[Xegarus]

Question about rolecops.
When do they get the information about their target?
Say if a scumcop chooses X as their role target. Would he be given his role and then still be allowed to kill him during the same night?
Or would he be given the information at a later time?

[Xegarus]

@Smash

Why would CF get nervous over something so shitty, considering his experience?
There's no scum motivation for pushing that limportant topic' underneath the rug as it's completely null.

VOTE: Smash

[Xegarus]

@CF

Are you trying to policy lynch Smash?

[Xegarus]

Im not obeying orders, i'm interrogating possible scum.

[Xegarus]

Lynching you isn't shutting down discussion, it's shutting down noise which has no baring on the game.

This makes it seem like you are policy lynching.

[Xegarus]

Em+, Why are still on me?
You said

Although, does somebody have to get lynched everyday? Because if not, I may want to retract my vote.

We've now discussed that we don't need a lynch everyday but it would be a disadvantage to us if we didn't.
Do you have a reason to stay on me?

[Xegarus]

@CF
Could you sum up briefly why smash is scum?

[Xegarus]

I have a reason for voting. But i'll be explaining it later.

[Xegarus]

@Xeg: Seriously. Just vote him.

Sorry, it just looks a whole hell of a lot like you told him what to do, which...

VOTE: Smash

...he then proceded to do, almost as if you and he have some sort of agreement.

Now, Xeg has not really been on the site long enough to have been in another game, so why else is he so buddy-buddy with you? I can think of one reason. Lets take a look here;

It doesn't matter just vote Smash.

Why?

@Xeg: Seriously. Just vote him

VOTE: Smash

Wow, it certainly looks like you are ordering him around. Almost the way a more experienced scum will lead a newbie scum.

So tell me, Xeg, what is your reason? Cause this seems to indicate you had none until told to vote.

I have a reason for voting. But i'll be explaining it later.

[Xegarus]

I understand that it looks weird to say the least that you ask me for a reason and i say 'i have one, but i'm not going to tell you'.
But if you trust that i have a reason and believe you understand it, don't mention it.

[Xegarus]

Oh, and I don't believe you have a reason. Not at all. And I will mention it, thank you very little. If you have time to post nonsense like that, you can throw out a sentence with your reason.

Not doing so? SCUMMY.

I will throw a sentence in, but only when the time is right.
Im not going to mention this again so it will be pointless to ask me again.
Also don't think you'll have to remind me about this, i won't be forgetting this anytime soon.

[Xegarus]

Listen, think about every single possible reason to ever vote for someone. I'm sure you'll figure it out if you have a brain. It is extremely simple and it involves a word some of you have used a bit.
I'm still not going to state it yet because I don't believe the damage is done yet but if you understand my reasoning, I'm sure you'll know what I'm going for.

[Xegarus]

Listen, think about every single possible reason to ever vote for someone. I'm sure you'll figure it out if you have a brain. It is extremely simple and it involves a word some of you have used a bit.
I'm still not going to state it yet because I don't believe the damage is done yet but if you understand my reasoning, I'm sure you'll know what I'm going for.

@kittie
Your reason for voting oon me is all because I I'm not telling anyone the reason for my vote?
In that case, if you were to find out my reason, and it would be sufficient, you would drop the vote?

@smash
Are you sure you're not getting nervous?

[Xegarus]

...........-_-
FUCK
Sorry about the double post having the same things, phones messing with me.

[Xegarus]

Hey smash, remember when you voted for Doc and made sure you reminded everyone he was L-1, yeh that was cute. Hoped someone else would just jump?

[Xegarus]

Well L-1 is as good of a reason i can get for explaining my vote.

My vote on Smash was to pressure him.
But then Dyr starting biting my ass and then kittie joined pressuring me.
Pressuring doesn't help when others pressure you. I couldn't just flat out say it (cause that kinda defeats the purpose) but i tried to hint it anyway i could.
In the hopes that some of you would stfu for just a little while.

I legitimately said that I would rather risk a mislynch on him than keep him around if he were to continue thinking what he did by claiming was the right move.

Thats complete bullshit.
I have said a few times that i do acknowledge that it was a bad move.

Sing a new song, would ya.

So Doc, your voting on me for being a bad scum with CF?

Why vote for the bad scum?
Surely it would be much easier to vote on the stronger scum and then finish the other off.

[Xegarus]

Actually, I'm voting you because you would be less of a loss to the town if you turn out to be town.

So you're policy lynching.
Well, can't refute that.

So Dyr has thought i was scummy since the RC and i can probably assume my lack of reason for the vote cemented it..
Kittie and Smash for the lack of reason on the voting.

Or am i mistaken at all?

[Xegarus]

@CF

- My read on him is scum.

Especially since xegar is sheeping riot s point that, this was settled on page 2.

could one or both be getting nervous? hmm.,

This reaction isn't coming from town. If he was town, he would've just stated his opinion instead of asking it and adding the extra "hmm.." at the end.

@Smash

I'm telling you right now, if anybody says they have "Untold Reasons" as to why they are voting for someone as if they have some hidden evidence by page 6 of a game, they are lying scum. Guaranteed. It screams scum information advantage. He knows I'm town, so he wants to act like he has some super secret tech against me

This is just the worst attack anyone could ever come up with. It makes him look scummy considering his experience.

[Xegarus]

It makes you* (look scummy)

[Xegarus]

hey xegarus, what did you think of the person who put you at L-1?

I would have to say that he looks pretty scummy to me.

When he was questioned about why he didn't mention my RC (which a lot of you have pointed out was a huge thing not to do and could make him look scummy there) he said in #31

I didn't really think anything needed to be added. It was dumb. I hate RC'ing at any stage, I think it detracts from the game.

I dont know what it is about the wording but it just rubs me the wrong way. Kinda like he was trying to cement an idea very early on into the game.

And might i ask the more experienced.
Is RC so bad during the later stages of the game?
Yeh i know, ive been a bad boy with my RC and all that crap but isn't RC eventually part of the game towards the end?
And if so, how could that detract from the game?

#53

I actually agree that Dyrynify's vote seems a little too hastly, but he saw something scummy and he went for it. I certainly won't vote for him because of it, but I will keep my eye on him. As for you X, your RC did nothing, as of yet, but might help to expose Dyrynify later on. Only time will tell. Even if it does end up helping the town, It's not something I would ever do. This game, to me, is about figuring out things. Investigation. RC'ing, again, for me, kills that to some extent. An RC could be a complete lie, but even a lie gives away a lot of information.

After chatting some crap about CF coming and vote/unvoting him he appeared to agree with me when i said i thought Dyr's vote was a little hasty (something i have retracted) and then also agree with Dyr without having his own stance on the matter. As Smash said, it does reek with fence sitting.

In post 86 he claims that he wasn't looking to get a reaction from Dyr

No, I was not posting to get a reaction from you. I was not thinking about anyone's reaction when I posted it. I don't have that kind of foresight.

But how can you not expect it to look as if he was fishing if he talks about catching certain people out and talking about exposing them later.

Hey, I'll say it again. It was dumb. You gave away information. The mafia knows that you are not a PR, or you are mafia and you brought attention to yourself.

Here he just goes on assuming things about PRs. But what irks me about this is the

mafia KNOWS

part.

It could come from either. It's a bad play either way.

Heres some more fence sitting by making his statement kinda vague and making the point of interest in this statement the 'bad play either way'

Could you possibly be a little more non committal, Doc? Thanks.

Oh, I'm sorry. I didn't realize I had to commit to anything. Let me fix that. I don't have a fucking clue if he is town or not.

And then looks like he got a little agitated and gave a semi aggressive response to Dyr. Which still said nothing.

Actually, I have to agree with Bard. He placed the vote because he felt that Xeg was a danger to the town. Since then CF has seemed to defend Xeg quite a bit, and it looks to me like a badly performing scum team.


VOTE: Xegarus

Actually, I'm voting you because you would be less of a loss to the town if you turn out to be town.

........
Wait what?
Says i'm part of a badly performing scum team, votes and then says his reason for voting was because if i happen to be town, it would be a lesser loss.

Like Nacho said, this looks like bullshit to me.
Doesn't pick a side for the majority of the game.
Votes me but gives 2 contradicting reasons for the vote.

Xeg re: post 172, I can see you interpreting those posts that way. They are kind of ick. But tbh I don't really feel like Brad is that scummy. He responded pretty well to both of us voting him, even if that was sort of alleviated by the fact that a lot of people threw the spotlight back on you right after. Plus he's unvoting now which is a point in his favor I think.

I take your point.

UNVOTE: VOTE: Doc

[Xegarus]

Also that's L-1

[Xegarus]

The RC, the refusal to reveal reason, and then the crappy reason itself. Pressure still works, even if the person knows they are being pressured. That was a really stupid reason to hold in reserve, especially when all it did, in the grand scheme, is make you look worse.

I didn't know, but I kind of figured. Probably cause I've played this game before. I don't think I'm jumping on "everyone" else. Despite what some of you seemed to think, I know players usually don't just get to ride till the end of the day with, "I have a reason but I'll tell you later." Later eventually comes, so it didn't bother me that he didn't answer right away. That was a towntell, imo. It shows he isn't afraid to tell people "no." Scum are appeasing because they want to be on everyone's good side. And he's right on the pressure thing, you're not. Pressure works better if you don't explicitly tell the person you're pressuring that's what you're doing. As for you trying to scare me with lynch threats, /shrug. Come at me, bro.

Being ineffective and making a scum-motivated vote are two very, very different things. Why do you think Xegar as scum refused to share his reasons for voting Smash when he was already in trouble for making the early role claim?

@Dyr

Im curious to see what you say about all of this Dyr.

[Xegarus]

Sure, just gimme a day to read through everything and have the time.

[Xegarus]

Off V/LA now but got work so cant really post anything seriously and need to read everything.
Playing catch up is gonna be like doing homework, isn't it. -_-

[Xegarus]

Well this was fun to watch. Sorry for just dropping out, but i'm sure you guys probably preferred it with myko.
Question, to whom ever, what should i have done better?

[Xegarus]

*scribes*
I see, anymore words of wisdom?