Newbie 1310: A WILD CHARIZARD APPEARED! - GAME OVER

[em+p_dear]

Hi everyone.
@kittie- I'm looking forward to this myself. ^ ^
By the way em+p is just an abbreviated name for the character Emily Parsons I used during nanowrimo. I'm not quite sure what the "dear" is there for either...whenever I join a forum, I usually just choose the first thing that pops into my head with no real significance.

Can't wait to play with everyone
1) What draws you to play the game of Mafia? What are some of your favorite things about the game?
It's a team game that doesn't require any athletic ability. I like playing games with other people; I think it builds friendships, but I just can't run to save my life. Also, you don't know for sure who's on your team, so you don't have to worry about letting anyone down if you suck.

2) Do you tend to take the game very seriously and become aggressive/defensive or do you take a light hearted approach and just go with the flow?
Yes and no. I get very over dramatic and passionate a lot of times but I don't actually hold grudges or anything. I think getting worked up over everything is part of the fun of the game itself. I just don't take anything with me outside of the game. Which is why I hope we can all be friends even if most of the time we'll be the victims of each other's game rage.

3) How much do you value your gut reads in comparison to another players reads? Do you tend to doubt yourself or tunnel your suspects?
I listen to my gut. Do I actually believe my own intuition is correct? Hell no I'm crazy. But I do usually go with it anyway. It just makes things easier than second-guessing yourself.

VOTE: Xegarus

because Dyrynify's claim sounds legit and because it's too early in the game for me to deduce anything on my own. :B

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@Xegar
*Lol*Point taken. xD

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Yes, while I don't necissarily think it's scummy, It does seem a little...strange.
I guess I am kind of "bandwagoning" for now though, because we're all pretty much random voting right now anyway and nobody can be lynched unless we get more people voting for the same person. Although, does somebody have to get lynched everyday? Because if not, I may want to retract my vote.

But hey, if you really aren't mafia, they'll come after you soon and I'll either get killed as well or lynched for being a fickle pickle so we can both be dead together. And if you

are

mafia, then...I'll...

I'm going to die either way, aren't I? ;_;

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I'm...not sure actually. I guess I just debating with myself. I don't know if it would seem conspicuous or not.
Just thinking about what Smash said.

I would like to know the reason of the vote change before moving my vote, but it doesn't look like my vote is getting anything accomplished where it's at right now anyway.

UNVOTE

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Sorry! I've been so busy getting ready for the holidays and everything I forgot to mention that I'd be away for a while-stupid, irresponsible... I'm back now

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That means day one ends as soon as mod updates, right? Is that also when night starts? *stupid questions from stupid people xP*

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No night kill? Huh. So the only combination that can be ruled out is the one with only the sane cop (assuming the scum made a kill which is just common sense)?
I'll admit, this changes my views from day one. Wasn't quite sure of what to think originally of kitty and Doc. I thought I saw a sort of "mutual disinterest" in the two of them, and I kind of saw it as a "If _____ is scum, then _____ may be too" but with Doc being town, I'm not sure.

Also, dyr was really the only one I had for "100% town reads" but now, I'm not so sure.
Assuming we do have a protective role on our hands here, the kill that didn't happen would have been either a) a random kill or b) someone who angered the mafia. Since he seems to be pretty sure about option B, the only one I can think of that would have a grudge on a specific town at this point would be Dyr x Xeg. Everyone else seems to have multiple targets or suspicion, but it seems like he only targetted Xeg as mafia, even after Xeg stepped down saying he didn't believe his own accusation against Dyr. Also, wanting to know who did what last night without having any rc is natural- I think every pro-town feels that way, but in this case it seems more like wanting to know who to target next. Maybe it's because I'm looking for things, I don't know. But it does seem strange somehow.

@nacho

-just curious, but why me?

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Ah. Yeah I guess I really didn't post much. To be honest, I wasn't really sure of enough of anything anyway. Pretty much everyone looked either scummy, or unidentifiable. Didn't see town or scum in nacho or om. Still don't. (will finish up later but for now I'm going to dinner).

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(cont.) As for CF, I didn't and still don't have a clue. My gut is saying town but no evidence to base that claim on.

I saw you & doc were both very quiet at the beginning. Then you both jumped on Xeg at about the same time. I suspected the two of you working together, but since Doc was town anyway, I was probably just wrong about the whole thing.


In short? Yes, I am suspecting Dyr, not enough to place a vote yet though. I think I'll wait and see what happens with everyone today.

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Okay then, D2 reads thus far:

CF Riot: somewhat town...just a gut read no more could change-will do some rereading
Dyrynify: yeah, biggest scum read so far
kitiekatt: will do some re-reading, but not a current suspect
Nachomamma8: Don't ask me, that guy's harder to read then Natsume Soseki.
Om: Town. Couldn't form much of an opinion due to post length on day one, but today's posts are town enough to convince me.
Smashbard: Town. Suspects/inquires from just about everyone- witch-hunter attitude.
Xegarus: I'm feeling town. The more I read the day one posts the less scummy and more just inexperienced town they seem (I know that feel). Plus, when I think of the night kill, he's the only one that comes to mind that a protective role would have known the mafia would target and tried to save.

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(Not dead)

@Om- Everyone hated him that day for the whole page 1 RC and his vote on smash/vote reveal. I'm not quite sure how to word it...I just think that if the mafia kill was blocked there's a good chance a power rule either new or took a chance that Xeg was town. The mafia may also have seen his RC as "Vanilla Townie" as (not just a bad move like the rest of the town) but suspicious. They may have suspected him for a doctor or jailer or whatever trying to be safe as a normal and figure they have nothing to lose if he really was vanilla townie. A rather farfetched theory, but still...

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You don't even have anything to say about me pushing you as my second suspect?

What more is there to say? You suspect me. I don't see that as a town tell or a scum tell. You could be scum voting me, you could be town voting me. I don't yet have a guess as to which. Besides it seems like a lot of others see me as a suspect as well so I'm not all that surprised.

(Sorry for the double post)

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Is that why you tried to kill Xeg last night?

Or save him. Or make an assumption about what really happened last night.
But why would scum claim the townie they had just tried to kill the night before as innocent? It seems like it would be pointless, right? (Though honestly I am curious do scum actually use this strategy?)

Are my reasons strong? Are my reasons weak? Why did your read change on Majiffy? What do you think of Dyr's townread on me?

Today's readings? Yes. Especially the kittiekat read-honest or false, currect or incorrect, I felt it was well explained and made sense.
I was -however- curious as to why you dropped your vote on kittie before she left, considering you seemed so convinced, but then you addressed that:

I'm switching gears because I have a leaning townread on SK, and now would rather push on emp and get a wagon going instead of playing a game for a little while. SleepyKrew is replacing in and I'll get a much better read on him if I force him to give an opinion of my suspicion rather than gauging his response to my pressure. I specifically wanted to see kitiekatt's next post to see how she would post if she knew I was just about done suspecting her.

I see how a wagon on me and observing kitty/sk's actions would be a good move-assuming you were right about our alignments; you could kill two birds with one stone. But I still would like to ask why the 'leaning townread'? You were so sure that kittie was scum and made a good case against her and then all of the sudden, she's not so suspicious anymore.

And recently, it seems you're very eager to get a wagon going-trying to convince everyone to vote for whoever you did. This was the case with both kittie and me. Is this just because of the data the wagon gives or is there another reason?

As for Majiffy (that's Xeg's replacement, right?) I began to see him as innocent when other people began accusing me of scum. As smash pointed out, I was passive about it and instead of flat out asking people why they suspected me, I went back and reread my old posts and saw a lot of the same things Xeg wrote in his posts. I said some things that were stupid/suspicious, and from an objective point of view, I seemed wishy-washy and easily persuaded/discouraged by others. Initially, these were the very reasons I suspected Xeg, but in comparison, I found that I did them all as well. The more people suspected me, the more I reread my posts and the less scum/more clueless noob I began to see in him.

I didn't see anything scummy in his reads at first but now that you mention it, yeah, they do look scummy to me. Especially the fact that he didn't mention

anything

about me factoring in as a suspect until after 1) I said that I suspected him and 2) Nacho said he suspected me. But why would he suspect you? You had him as a town read the whole game and as long as you suspected Kittie and me, he knew he'd safe.

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And wow I just realized I have no idea how to do multiple quotes. How do you get the "so-and-so said" in there?

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Oops- sorry myko! I knew it started with an 'm'. Still need to get used to these new usernames ^^;

emp, when did your read on drynify change?

Day 2, really. The fishing for night kill answers may have put him on my radar, but what really got to me was that he didn't give any indication of suspecting me in posts or in reads until after I said I was starting to suspect him. He was asked twice what he thought about who is who, and both times he merely replied that he would 'read earlier posts' (paraphrasing) giving plenty time for others to post their reads and him to figure out who was safe to suspect. No indication even of what he was looking for/thinking about.

@Nacho-'Kay I answered your questions, why haven't you answered any?

Oh it seems there's a wagon on me. Awesome. And L2, huh? Shit, I guess a lot can happen over night. I'm still not seeing smash as scum though. He had eyes on me since-I believe it was post #55?- anyway. Of course, he could have seen that as a tell that I would be a weak player and knew that pointing the finger at me now might help him later, but if he was really weeding out possible weaklings to pick on, he would have also suspected Xeg-which he did not-unless the two of them are both scum, which I find ever-the-more unlikely. Dyr & nacho don't surprise me, though.

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Also

VOTE: Dyrynify

PS-congrats smash on the new family member on the way

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Even the hammer I don't feel as overwhelmingly town. If he was mafia, would it really have been that bad a move on his part considering he's seen as innocent by everyone else for making it? Though that line of thinking may be very WIFOM, it isn't enough to make me drop him as a suspect by itself.

As for nacho, I don't think it's so much him not letting up as it is the 'flip' in his reading of kittie/sk. Also, even though he's asked me plenty of questions, he has yet to address any of mine.

I would idealy like to see more of SK's posts to get a more solid read, but was not overtly suspicious of kittie and am not at the moment suspicious of SK.

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@Myko- You seeing Dyr and nacho as suspicious, too? They your biggest, or smash? Also, who do you see as town?

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@ Om

- I'm voting Dyr instead of Nacho because I wanted to give Nacho enough time to answer questions and I'm not as sure of him as I am of Dyr. Though it's very weird that he suddenly turned around and voted Dyr. He answered my questions now anyway, and I'll believe the pressuring me for a good read because I totally felt it.
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Smash's immediate scum flip on Dyr just because of Nacho's reasoning does make me a bit uneasy, but he was also very quick to see him as town because of CF's post, so not sure just yet to make anything of it.

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I honestly didn't even know it was three days already I thought it was two o.o I'll catch up.

@CF - I think it's strange that they both turned on Dyr so suddenly (smash explained but I'm not quite sure if that's all there is to it and Nacho's complete pivot to Dyr and backing off of me I don't feel can be explained in anyway that I won't see it as weird). I mean, it's good for me I guess, and I don't want to question it, but I highly doubt that my counter arguments were enough to change Nacho's view. Although about what Om said, I don't think that he gave up on me either necissarily, because I was at L2 and would have been an easy lynch, so something must have happened to change his mind. If Dyr was to flip town, then I'd be looking at them first for scum buddies, but it doesn't seem like we're going through with the Dyr lynch, so as long as I see him as scum, I don't see smash & him working out. I could see him & Nacho though.

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My current follow-up on my suspicion of Dyr is my recent "let's see people all pile on me and watch scumfuck Dyr be forced to hammer".

Not a bad idea, actually.

Unvote

VOTE: Nachomamma8

I doubt he'd be willing to do anything about it now since he's been called on it, but he's not the only one whose actions in regards to such a wagon I would like to observe.

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Okay a lot to catch up on. I'd like to go back and check CF's posts (esp. concerning xeg/myko) and do some reads when I get the time of course.

So for the time being,

I claim my role as Doctor.

I don't know what good my info will do, but if we're looking for a role claim, then here it is.

On night one, I protected Xegar. During night two, I protected Thetrollie, which was a stupid and rather hasty decision because I couldn't think of who to protect.

Of course, Dyr is first suspect but other than that I really need to look back and get some more town reads before I can point scum.

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Dyrnify is scum. So scummy he refuses to even post in this game anymore because he's caught so bad. You can either lynch scum with me or run away from the wagon like lemmings and hope that Dyrnify busses whoever it is you think is scummier than him.

So hard to disagree with this. Maybe it's just itchy fingers, but if we're all in agreement that Dyr is scum, why are we debating? Is there anyone here who thinks that Dyr is town besides himself?

@Smash

-who do you think is scumbuddies with Dyr?

@Trollie

-so Smash/Om...how sure is this for you-definite top 2 scum or a possibility? Because it seems like everyone (myself included) sees these three as suspicious, though to different degrees.

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Hmm. That so...

Om

, what's your take on this? You said you refused to vote before until hearing from us day 3. Well we're all here, so who are biggest candidates for your vote now?

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no choice but to believe that he is town because everyone else believes he's town

I don't. Trollie isn't exactly screaming scum, but I can't say for sure town. There's still that very small portion of me that's wondering if he is scum and this whole Om thing is just away to distract us from lynching Dyrynify. That's actually the only thing keeping me from compromising a vote for Om. Don't get me wrong, Om is scummy, but due to circumstances surrounding his coming into play as a suspect seeming very hasty, I would feel much safer with a Dyr lynch. Or even a smash lynch, tbh. Maybe a little Dyr input would help make things more clear? Esp. suspects other than just "smash"?

@Om- kay just wondering because it seems like a lot of people have flipped stances on levels of scumminess.

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We'll get dyr tomorrow.

vote dyr

Wait I'm confused...are we going for Om or Dyr?

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What is taking you so long, smash? is your scum partner not cooperating?

And his partner would be...?

@Trollie- Waiting for Dyr too, but to actually say something. How is his presence alone enough to make you vote Om?

@Smash-I don't see what that will be accomplished if no one's votes follow. It seems like a wasted vote.

Whatever. I'm going to die anyways. Tis better to vote for the futile then to never have voted at all.

VOTE: Dyrynify

(Hashtag YOLO...-.- lol)

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Aww no T_T sorry guys...if I would have just voted for Om...
Well this certainly was interesting. I'm glad I got to play this game-I feel like I learned a lot and it was a lot of fun too. When I first saw this, I was like "Mafia online? That sounds like it would drag on forever. Boring." And I guess it did but this is actually much more fun than mafia in person.

I have to ask though, how come everyone believed my RC? Was it just believable or is there a distinct difference if a mafia were to RC as doctor?

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Ah. Is there something in particular I could've/should've done differently as a doctor, like night actions?

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You think so? Well maybe next time then. (I dunno I'm still a little nervous) ^^;

@CF-I wasn't really sure how to play it. I was trying to stay under the radar but it did make me look like I was lurking. I guess I should try and be less conspicuous then.

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@Tracy

-I can't compare with any other game mods (obvi) but I felt you did a good job. You were consistant with vote count posting and helpful but firm. You were so professional though, I had no idea this was your first noob game. Discriptions would be cool in the killings and whatnot, I agree.

@Om

-Wow. Just wow. If there weren't so many experienced players, I'm not sure anyone would have suspected you. Nicely played. Maybe it's a bit odd to ask since we're both beginners, so I'll ask Smash, too. How do you play as mafia without drawing enough attention to yourself to get lynched? I know I'd have been in trouble if I was mafia I wouldn't know what lies to tell ^^;

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CRAP. TracEEEEEEEEy**