Newbie 1310: A WILD CHARIZARD APPEARED! - GAME OVER

[mykonian]

I just replaced in, but I'm not sure if Tracey has already realized.

Nacho was wrong about my slot.

Uhm, I think I'll wait for Tracey to see this and send me that pm. Could take a while... she's busy with other stuff

[mykonian]

I think she might have realized now.

[mykonian]

odds say you are wrong about me. And nice playing with you again!

[mykonian]

happy newyear from the Netherlands btw!

[mykonian]

BE FEWWY FEWWY QUIET.

I'M HUNTING TWACEY'S

[mykonian]

Got my role pm now, so lets scumhunt. It's also past midnight and I'm not going to reread fully now. I think. But perhaps. Last newbie I tried something and it worked, so, I might do that again.


Other then that, the post below (and I don't even know what he talks about, haven't read anything beyond this page) fucking sucks. Anyone who needs 300 words after the sentence "My biggest problem with kitiekatt is her passive nature" is a scumbag no matter how you consider it.

My biggest problem with kitiekatt is her passive nature. That in and of itself isn't exactly scummy, but the fact that she doesn't make any significant pushes and the fact that she doesn't actually seem to be searching for scum makes it suspicious. Her only significant suspect for all of D1 was Xegar, but reading her ISO without context doesn't really show her pushing it any after her vote. Her original vote on him was because of him witholding his reasons for voting (she also states it was because of the roleclaim, but considering she didn't put the vote on him when he initially did it, I'm assuming that the witholding of the reasons was a stronger point for her), but when Xegar explained his reasons, she didn't explain why she still had her vote on him until I asked her about it, and the explanation that she gave me sounded more like she was justifying why her vote was still on Xegar and not trying to explain why she still found him scum even though her initial reasons became invalid. There's also her suspicion of CF, which has earned a lot of lip service from her but no actual votes or significant pushes. She's asked him a lot of questions and called him her second strongest scumreads yesterday, but no mention of him when I asked for her scumreads today. So right now, it seems like she's afraid to make a push on CF because he's an experienced player, but doesn't really know what else to attack, which leaves her in this awkward position as scum.

Em+p_dear read town to me initially for the transparent thought process in #55. I liked the paranoia over a nightkill, which scum usually don't think to fake early. Lately, I haven't liked her lack of strong reads. Generally, when people take a long time to form a read, it means that they are just a cautious player. But when they form a read, they usually don't budge on those reads for a really long time. However, that's not what we saw with the Dyr read. He was her only "100% town read" of the game, which was also the only read she's made with any strength. Today, he's become her strongest scum read, and while it isn't exactly a strong scum read, it's the a pretty big change from strongest town to strongest scum, and it doesn't exactly have a whole lot of explanation behind it. It also has the problem of giving em+p a lot of leniency in deciding who she wants to wagon while scum, which is something town rarely worry about but scum often do.

[mykonian]

HEY MYKONIAN ARE YOU TOWN OR SCUM
AND WHY THE HELL DID YOU STALK ME HERE

Town.

And I sold my soul, but traded it for a body.

[mykonian]

Yes. Which is why you are scum? I'm pretty sure that I'm saying if you need a wall like that to explain that sentence you are complete full of gummibears. Because that's a gummibear post if I ever saw one.

Doctor Who was right. Can't lie with one word. You need a lot.

[mykonian]

know what?

vote nacho

I'll reread now. Not that likely to change though. If you are scum in one post, I don't see why you aren't scum forever.

[mykonian]

1#
What drew me towards Mafia is the fact that it's like a detective game. And i'm one of those guys that loves to prove otherw wrong so it would be perfect for me.
Assuming im correct.
I'm also taking Law in college and this could make an excellent training ground for me.

2#
I do take things seriously, but i know when people are just havin g a laugh and will probably take part in them.

3#
I don't get many gut feelings.
My decisions are usually based on facts and evidence. But when i do, its usually because i have a strong reason to believe them. So i would say that I'm not that indecisive but if i ever change my opinion on things, there must have been some very strong evidence to make me change.


Or as this game goes, i could be lying about every single thing..........

I'm not going to like you. As a person.

Or as this game goes, i could be lying about every single thing..........

Why specifically point out the possibility that you could be lying? If you're town aligned, do you feel it's beneficial to lie at any time? Or do you think it's something purely scum would do?

The best lies are the ones that have some truth with them. With that state of mind, the best thing for scum to do is tell the truth.
I know it puts me on the spotlight. But unfortunately for me, i was always thought to look at both sides of the argument and thats the approach i take for many things in life.

If i am town, i have absolutely no reason to lie. If i am scum, i would have to hide my lies.
There is a possibility that i could get lynched by telling the truth because someone else lied.
And assuming i'm town, scum could kill me off early on for simply telling the truth.


I'll say this now, i'm a vanilla town.
Whether i'm lying or not is up to you.
But if something doesn't add up, then SOMEONE did lie.

and now I'm not liking you as a person.


Just, lets get this straight here. You aren't really a clever guy. You also are aware you are a bit mediocre when it comes to that. And I know you are here to have fun. Everyone of us is. But I'm a bit of a dick and I feel like telling truths. Don't try to be clever. It doesn't suit you.

I will be back later to yell at Smashbard for using RQS.
But for now, I plan on playing final fantasy.

hey, someone knows his theory. Hi nacho.

Dyry stinks of gummibears.


WAAAAAAIT A SECOND.

[mykonian]

Xegarus has requested a replacement. Seaching...

Yup, I'm talking to someone not in the game anymore.

Brilliant, just insulted a person who can't answer. Not worth the effort.

[mykonian]

So, Xeg, tell me; Why are you obeying orders from someone you have never met?

And CF, if you are not scumbuddies with Xeg, why the hell are you playing on the inexperience of a newbie to push your lynch?

Why is this a post?

Just, uhm, can you explain me why you asked these question?

[mykonian]

page 6: report. CF obvtown.

[mykonian]

VOTE COUNT 1.5

[L-5] Dyrynify:

[L-1] Xegarus: Dyrynify, kitiekatt, Smashbard, TheDoctor

[L-5] em+p_dear:

[L-5] Om:

[L-3] TheDoctor: Om, Nachomamma8

[L-5] kitiekatt:

[L-5] CF Riot:

[L-3] Smashbard: CF Riot, Xegarus

[L-5] Nachomamma8:

Not Voting:

1 (em+p_dear)

• With nine alive, it takes five to lynch.
  
• Day One's deadline: January 3, 2013 CST or in (expired on 2013-01-03 21:00:00).
  
• V/LA: No one.

Meaning that at this point there was only one wagon possibly scum. On smash. Hey, the RQS starter. Love it.

[mykonian]

Myko, who are you replacing? I thought you were Xeg. Also, if I read right, you claimed you were town

before

you got your role pm which makes sense but is still quite funny.

Xeg, indeed.

And I think you refer to my post towards nacho. Nacho has had a couple of games in a row now where he's been rather vocally wrong about me.

Xegarus has requested a replacement. Seaching...

Yup, I'm talking to someone not in the game anymore.

Brilliant, just insulted a person who can't answer. Not worth the effort.

who is also the guy who you just replaced >.>
noob

page 6: report. CF obvtown.

town i could see
probably not obviously so

I know I replaced him then. He was too full of himself. Ever seen a law student here who was fun to play with? And yes, I have a prejudice about that. It's too often true for me to stop using it. And I can't stand people who think they are clever. I don't mind people who actually are.


And CF was obvious there.

[mykonian]

IT WOULD HAVE BEEN NICE IF I WAS INFORMED THAT YOU ACTUALLY WERE REPLACING IN. So yeah, Myko replaces Xegarus. Don't welcome him! Make him feel like an outcast!

You sold your body, if only for 7 minutes.

I sold my soul.

So, Xeg, tell me; Why are you obeying orders from someone you have never met?

And CF, if you are not scumbuddies with Xeg, why the hell are you playing on the inexperience of a newbie to push your lynch?

Why is this a post?

Just, uhm, can you explain me why you asked these question?

Genuinely wanted to know, and drawing attention to what happened. Why? What is wrong with it?

No...

You don't ask "why are you obeying orders" if you want to know. That's on the border of rhetorical, but lets call it loaded, shall we?

And you also don't start a question where you actually want an answer from with "why the hell". So the second is more then loaded as well.



Again, dyry, now truthful: why that post?

[mykonian]

yeah, the things I posted. And then I lost interest... around page 9?

Don't really care. Found two scum till now, one town. Good stuff for a couple of minutes.

[mykonian]

I think I'm going to wait for people to react to me and dyry to give me an answer. Then we'll see.

I'll start analysing wagons tomorrow or something. Because it's cool.

[mykonian]

No...

You don't ask "why are you obeying orders" if you want to know. That's on the border of rhetorical, but lets call it loaded, shall we?

And you also don't start a question where you actually want an answer from with "why the hell". So the second is more then loaded as well.

Again, dyry, now truthful: why that post?

Actually, I did want to know. You may only ask those questions in a purely rhetorical sense, but I do, and did, want to know.

And yes, they were loaded. But that does not preclude me from wanting to know.

Why did you expect a certain answer out of them? You don't load questions if you actually want to know something. You load them when you want someone to do something for you.

Why are you still telling me you wanted to know if you never did anything with any answers? While your questions are loaded as hell?

Dyry, the truth now, please. Why did you make that post? I really hate having to ask this three times. So stop lying.

[mykonian]

Haven't had a chance to do my wagon analysis yet. Just thought I would chime in.

Mykonian: If you feel that Dyrnify is the second scummiest person, how do you justify him hammering early yesterday when he could of just waited for me to hammer?

Is Nacho solely scummy because he's gotten a bit wordy? I don't have a large sample size of playing with Nacho, but it seems like he just naturally posts walls.

I know replacing out is not necessarily an indicator of scumminess, but I do want to put it out there that I find it really suspicious that Xegar & Kitie both replaced out in quick succession of one another. Especially the KitieKat slot. It makes me feel like Kat just got tired of answering questions from Nacho without getting any headway in deterring suspicions of scumminess. At least Xegar admitted to being genuinely busy.

I will finally decide on a vote after my wagon analysis from Day 1 is done.

I didn't get to the hammer. That's cool. No, he's nr1 scum for the post I've quoted him 3 times now and for which he can't give me a motivation.

Nah, I know how to make gummibear posts. That's a gummibear post. I'd make it if I knew I could get away with it. Nobody can actually attack you for saying the stuff there, because it's actually quite hard to prove someone is scum for the cases they make. Nacho could probably argue till worlds end that his case on Katie is believable. Doesn't mean it's right.

And lengthy is fine. Lengthy about "she's perhaps possible a bit on the passive side, I think". And yes I'm paraphrasing and using a hyperbole. It's still a gummibear post.

[mykonian]

replacing out is not

necessarily

an indicator of scumminess

You should've stopped here.

well, he might be right, but lets keep it quiet, shall we? I'd never be able to get another replacement if people started using tells like that.

[mykonian]

wait... so I won't actually have to convince people to vote dyry, they'd do it on their own?


You should have said that before!

vote dyry

[mykonian]

why's smash town exactly? I only found scumtells on him...

[mykonian]

"I wanted to draw attention to the situation" is quite something different from wanting an answer.

So you were trying to talk to the rest of us how they were scummy in some way, is that it?

[mykonian]

oh, why is dyr town, then. I keep finding gems like "as truthfully as I can". WEeeeeeee people with no chat experience love it.

[mykonian]

You used to have a towntell, sk. Do you still have it?

[mykonian]

I think I made an off hand remark that I support the tell that people starting a RQS are more likely scum. And the two townies I know so far were on one wagon: yours. And yes, townies can be wrong. But townies are at least not wrong on purpose.

And "FRY YOU" added now.

[mykonian]

And I agree that it's minor. I just fail to see the good points about you.

[mykonian]

but it isn't

[mykonian]

@mykonian;

What was the point of your post #308?

It felt like a waste not to post what I had till then.

Emp dear, it's pretty simple. If you feel nacho is voting you in error it's because he's w wrong town or scum. In my mind you're hanging yourself by being too timid. Of you feel he's wrong town you need to engage a and convince him. If he's scum you also need to pursue that line of questing. Engage with the game.

This guy is scummy as hell. This post stinks. And it's 2 am now and I can't tell you know why it stinks but it does. Lets see if I know tomorrow.

[mykonian]

@mykonian;

What was the point of your post #308?

It felt like a waste not to post what I had till then.

Emp dear, it's pretty simple. If you feel nacho is voting you in error it's because he's w wrong town or scum. In my mind you're hanging yourself by being too timid. Of you feel he's wrong town you need to engage a and convince him. If he's scum you also need to pursue that line of questing. Engage with the game.

This guy is scummy as hell. This post stinks. And it's 2 am now and I can't tell you know why it stinks but it does. Lets see if I know tomorrow.

Ok, more awake now. Lets see if I can find the words to explain what's wrong with that smashbard post.

As scum, you have one major goal: survival. This results quite quickly in "make sure you don't get voted". There are a couple of people who don't get voted. People who just lead a wagon on scum tend to be in that catagory, but in less strong sense, people who seem actively participating, people who seem to know what they are doing, and nice people do not get lynched easily. Since participation in terms of scumhunting is a bit hard for scum, or at least many of the tells people use depend on that (so lets assume they are right), giving the impression that you know what you are doing and that you are a nice guy is a good strategy as scum.

The thing is that this is a newby game and that clouds things a bit. It also doesn't help Emp_dear is a female, because we all know men are pigs, even on the internet. But even then, there's being nice to a female newby and there's the post above.

Couple of pointers: "Emp_dear it's pretty simple" is the thing that got my attention. Smashbard is giving the impression that he knows what he's doing. This is the internet equivalent for that manager who puts his arm around you and points at everything you have to do. Then comes the piece of advice which is basically fueling OMGUS feelings, but very strongly coming from the point where Smash

knows

emp_dear is town. As is the next sentence "In my mind you're hanging yourself by being too timid.". I seriously wonder how smash could ever see the difference between timid town and timid scum if he doesn't know the person.

And in all that, he's giving "objective advice", covering all the options. Now, everything everybody says has a motivation. Otherwise you could just as well have shut up. So if his motivation isn't getting emp_dear to vote nacho, what is?

It's the fact that he could put his arm around her and point her at what she could do

. He's the nice guy, emp would be a fool to suspect her help in all this trouble, right?

[mykonian]

I was not aware of Emp Dears gender, so bringing up me being a pig trying to mascaraed as a nice guy when I have a wife and a kid on the way is pretty egregious character assassination of me on your part. If that's what you're trying to say.

I'm not going to get all bent up out of shape about it demanding an apology, but I am going to say that you're just flat out wrong. Like, about everything.

You've been harping on me since you replaced in, despite having nothing to really go off of on me, and now you've just posted a giant piece of fluff trying to indite me against some stupid case about how scummy I am, without even really scumhunting against anybody except for myself all day.

Obviously Emp Dear is afraid of trying to defend themselves against the suspicions of an IC because of their earlier post wanting to know whether or not it would be wise to even go after an IC due to the need for an IC to answer questions from new players. She is obviously lost as to how to proceed with the game so I was giving advice.

The same kind of advice I was giving Xegar about his Page 1 Roleclaim. I know I said earlier in the game that I was merely an SE and not trained to answer newbies questions, but when I see bad play in a newbie game I can't help that little tick that goes off in my head that makes me want to correct it.

If I'm trying to coach Emp Dear on how to better survive, I was also coaching Xegarus on how to better survive as well. So if you're trying to say that I am scum for that, I guess you and I would be scumpartners too right? Since you replaced Xegar and all. Two problems, there can't be three scum and I'm not one of them.

If you're so convinced that I've been scum since Post #1 RQS, why isn't your vote on me? For someone so convinced you sure are struggling to find the gumption to vote me. Are you waiting to hear support from the other players first before you try and proceed with a lynch? Seems like you're not willing to take the leap on my wagon if it's not already backed by popular opinion first. You wouldn't need that if you weren't worried about drawing suspicion to yourself.

Soo any suspicions on anyone but me? Or is this a classic case of tunneling 101?

Pretty sure I'm accusing you of buddying, but if that's the way you want to go, be my guest.

vote smashbard

for this post as much as the previous. Who wants to fish out the amount of arguments which had nothing to do with the accusation posted? Or do I have to?

[mykonian]

And with those two votes I can now proudly say that Emp_dear is a shit wagon. All three possible scum on one wagon! JACKPOT.

[mykonian]

If I got something wrong out of your post then I suppose that would be because you A) weren't very concise and B) what you did say was fluffy and didn't make a whole lot of sense. So I took what I could from it. So I'll actually be the first to say yes, please explain which arguments had nothing to do with your accusation. I have nothing to dodge, I'll answer anything you got for me.

It made sense to me.

Next time you try to make a case, make sure you've got plenty of sleep. Because half asleep wall posting is never going to get you much support.

And I was fully awake while making that post.

If all you've got on me is RQS and Buddying, what do you have to say about Nacho buddying CF Riot and yourself? Of Xegarus (you) buddying CF Riot? Of Kitie (Skrew) buddying me?

And all that makes you scum together with how you are dealing with the accusations. You spend as much time talking about personal stuff as the actual case.

Oh that's right, you're ignoring all of my perfectly valid questions because you feel I am scum. Believe it or not that's why I'm not hounding you as one of my top two scum suspects, because so far the way you've conducted yourself is town in my eyes. Really bad town, because you're not willing to listen. But town all the same.

If a valid question is "I'm getting a kid, what do you think about it?". Yes I ignored that. Talking about fluff.

[mykonian]

Also

VOTE: Dyrynify

PS-congrats smash on the new family member on the way

That one? Ok.

vote Dyryryfy

[mykonian]

hammer, please.

[mykonian]

Not really, I just wanted to do that for the effect. Dyr is kinda scummy but I think Nacho is a better lynch.

Right now he looks more of a scapegoat though.

That being said.

Vote: Dyrnify

.

My scum suspects at the moment are Dyrnify & Nacho or Dyrnify & Emp Dear. So either way the common denominator vote goes to Dyrnify.

You smell funny.

[mykonian]

vote smashbard

we could look now?

[mykonian]

hey, riot, wanna lynch smashbard?

[mykonian]

oh, hey, was accused of being a dick today anyway... lets make it real.

Nacho, did you, or did you not talk about this game yesterday?

[mykonian]

hey, just when I wanted to lynch smashbard. You're no fun anymore.

[mykonian]

trollie, do you have EM experience?

[mykonian]

i have zero idea what EM stands for

That's a shame. Would have made stuff easier.

ok up to speed.

VOTE: nacho

this needs to be lynched

Yes but after smashbard.

Because worse then this post it isn't going to get.

Brad, you do not know what buddying is. Buddying is a term for when a scumslot "buddies up" to a townslot, either by calling them town or by agreeing with their opinions, in order to gain favor with said townie. Buddying does not mean treating your scumbuddy as town.

Refusing to compromise with your vote is anti-town play when there's more than 1 scum in the game, baring obvious things like PR-investigations and such.

I've been so confused with my reads all day today and have been allowing my reads to be dictated by those who sound more confident than myself. So if I sound anti-town it's because I'm tired of being paraded around to whichever wagon some experienced player chooses as his pet scum suspect in this 24 hour period that I should vote for. It's about time I started truly thinking for myself, and that's starting with a gut read that Nacho is town, and a confident read that Dyrnify is scum.

I don't have a solid view on any two players being inextricably tied as scum partners. But I can be sure that Dyrnify is scum because he was so aggressive Day 1, got a mislynch through, but then nobody died Died Night 1 and ever since then he's been lurking a lot, which is a definite change in playstyle. Not explaining his votes, just popping in randomly. Not asking questions like he was before. I don't see how this isn't clearer to everyone else. When somebody comes out like a ball of fire one day, and their playstyle shifts drastically the next day, that's a surefire sign of scumminess to me. ESPECIALLY when there was no death the previous night. He's definitely playing more cautiously. Now why would he feel the need to do that if he were town? He's already claimed Vanilla Townie, so he can't say that it's because he's a power role lurking to try and preserve himself. There's literally no reason for a vanilla townie to be hiding this bad behind survival mode to prevent suspicion from being cast on him.

[mykonian]

no we r lynching nacho first. im not convinced smash isnt just town newbie

He's not.

And just look at his initial responses to accusations. That's not how a townie reacts.

[mykonian]

oh, I agree. I feel better about smashbard by a lot.


oh, nacho. I asked you if you talked about the game. You evaded that question. Kindly don't do it this time.

[mykonian]

beyond that xeg was lynchbait.

[mykonian]

ah fuck now you expect me to have meta on smashbard. Forgot who played in that game. And I know it's not long ago. But ok, lets point out my problem (and it's a general scumtell so all I need to look for if he has any similar tendencies in my game. I don't the he has).

Brad, you do not know what buddying is. Buddying is a term for when a scumslot "buddies up" to a townslot, either by calling them town or by agreeing with their opinions, in order to gain favor with said townie. Buddying does not mean treating your scumbuddy as town.

Refusing to compromise with your vote is anti-town play when there's more than 1 scum in the game, baring obvious things like PR-investigations and such.

I've been so confused with my reads all day today and have been allowing my reads to be dictated by those who sound more confident than myself. So if I sound anti-town it's because I'm tired of being paraded around to whichever wagon some experienced player chooses as his pet scum suspect in this 24 hour period that I should vote for. It's about time I started truly thinking for myself, and that's starting with a gut read that Nacho is town, and a confident read that Dyrnify is scum.

I don't have a solid view on any two players being inextricably tied as scum partners. But I can be sure that Dyrnify is scum because he was so aggressive Day 1, got a mislynch through, but then nobody died Died Night 1 and ever since then he's been lurking a lot, which is a definite change in playstyle. Not explaining his votes, just popping in randomly. Not asking questions like he was before. I don't see how this isn't clearer to everyone else. When somebody comes out like a ball of fire one day, and their playstyle shifts drastically the next day, that's a surefire sign of scumminess to me. ESPECIALLY when there was no death the previous night. He's definitely playing more cautiously. Now why would he feel the need to do that if he were town? He's already claimed Vanilla Townie, so he can't say that it's because he's a power role lurking to try and preserve himself. There's literally no reason for a vanilla townie to be hiding this bad behind survival mode to prevent suspicion from being cast on him.

You won't find a post this wall like saying he doesn't have any reads. Wishy washy he might have been, but in my game, if he's posting walls he's talking about posts. Here he's defending the fact that he doesn't post any analysis at all.

It really doesn't become more obvious then with this post.

[mykonian]

not a chance nacho.

oh, nacho. I asked you if you talked about the game. You evaded that question. Kindly don't do it this time.

can't answer your question if I have no idea what you are talking about
clarify.

I heard you talking about the game the night before I asked you. Or at least I think it was you.

Was it?

[mykonian]

I heard you talking about the game the night before I asked you. Or at least I think it was you.

Was it?

I posted in thread on January 07th. I didn't say anything to anyone else about the game in any other forum or discussion site.

aim?

[mykonian]

actually would like myko and cf to get their votes off smash now
if you're gonna pretend the case is stronger on me then it is because of your paranoia, then vote me now
watch dyr not push the emp wagon at all and get stuck into making another scumfuck hammer
watch trollie not explain his vote on me at all
not even a little bit
then let them die

dyr is obvtown

uhm.
that's

your

opinion

[mykonian]

uhm, you know who I am. I also have quite a couple of fun games with nacho. I don't think I'd set him up for a modkill... if I ever would. Go find a game with me where I do that and you have a case.

Otherwise: How about some actual scumhunting smashbard?

You didn't talk with the mod nacho?

[mykonian]

Communication done outside of this thread between me and my players is confidential. If anyone believes a player has broken a rule, they are to ask me about it privately through PM. Anymore conversation on this topic in-game will result in a force replace. This is a warning.

Oh come on, that was like the best setup for a legitimate: "I did not have sex with that woman".

[mykonian]

yeah sure, nacho tomorrow promise swear etc.

[mykonian]

vote dyryryryfy

I'm mafia and I'm quicklynching my buddy.

There's nothing to explain. And you fuckers had to move towards nacho. Looking at you trollie.

[mykonian]

Dyr was so not protown yesterday and I have a hard-on for that wagon cause he's fishing so hard today but the one thing holding me back is the hammer. Assume town Brad announcing intent to hammer, does scum Dyr throw it down first or would he just stay off the mislynch and let Brad finish it off? I don't know him at all but purely from this being a newbie game I don't see him having the foresight to try to gain towncred by being

on

a mislynch wagon.

unvote

So, trollie, why nacho again?

[mykonian]

No really, replacing doesn't mean anything. Two people replacing in succession

really

doesn't mean anything. Smash it town and a lot of people recognize it which is great but he needs to shape up and look for real tells, not superstitious paranoia stuff.

other option.

[mykonian]

If ur trying to say that CF investigated Dyr N1 im pretty sure ur wrong. I only looked briefly but CF was not very strong-willed on his scumread of dyr.

i already told u why nacho, and stfu u were just as into a nacho lynch as I was...

actually, I call bullshit, what the fuck myko, ur gonna blame the Nacho mislynch on me, when YOU supported that lynch.

Bull. Shit.

I started the day out on nacho and through the day leaned more and more towards a smashbard lynch. I was invited to join on nacho and those were my words then as well.

And I'm just gone for a blink and you lynched him.

And I'm going to blame whoever I want who goes voting straight away in mylo. Cop flips, first thing you do is look for crumbs.

O.M.G.

we have four people active right now.

it takes 4 to lynch.

Dyr is so hammer happy he'll probably fucking hammer himself.

LET'S END THIS ALREADY

We need two lynches.

You only one.

Scumslip deluxe.

[mykonian]

ok, mylo. First things first: doc or JK claims, claims who he protected/blocked day 1.

Second thing, we are going to count stuff. And counting isn't so hard, but lets wait for the claim first. After that we are going to figure out who to lynch.

[mykonian]

What good would it do for the Doctor/Jailkeeper to claim? To give Mafia a clear ticket as to who they should kill tonight?

Best case scenario we have a Jailkeeper that can state who they intend to Target, so that way if a Kill goes through then we have at least one 100% confirmed townie after the Jailkeeper dies. Or if a kill doesn't go through it might be as good as a Cop Guilty result.

But when I was scum in that newbie game with Nacho I pulled a gambit where we had a claimed Jailkeeper and he announced each target he would protect and I chose to No Kill during the night phases in order to frame people into mislynches rather than pulling the trigger on the Jailkeeper until I was sure I could win in Lylo.

So even that wouldn't be ideal. I know it's farfetched but I literally won that game as scum due to that gambit. It could easily happen.

I can't see any good scenarios in which a Doctor should claim because then they just die tonight and we get no information based on who they protected because the Mafia would officially no longer have to sweat a Kill going through.

How about we collectively suggest who the Doc/Jailkeeper SHOULD target? I'm pretty sure it's universally agreed that Mykonian is town. That way if the Doc/JK follows those instructions (I'm assuming Mykonian is not it because he's the one calling for a claim rather than just claiming himself) then we can be sure that Mykonian stays alive and the scum still won't know who the Doc/JK is, so they have to make a shot in the dark that is not Mykonian to try and find the Doc/JK.

Of course, if Mykonian is scum I think we're just fucked in general because he's not getting lynched this game. Dyrnify, TheTrollie and myself will be dead before Mykonian is considered.

Good, then you can just assume I'm town. Saves me some trouble, and I just have to convince you of actions rather then actions

and

that I'm serious.

Further, kindly leave the theory to others. You aren't very good at it.

The JK claiming thing only works when there's one scum left.

Further, ideally you'd claim the day before lylo, but given that we are a tad too late for that, today will have to do. Confirmed townies in lylo and mylo pay. Not just because they make your odds better, but because you can listen to what they say and at least know they mean well. And yes that means they'll get shot. I'm just slightly confused what you would want to save them for. This is kind of where things have to happen.

Other post was removed.

[mykonian]

haha. So I'm a confirmed townie. Brilliant. Love it. This is something new...

[mykonian]

1.) Smash is scum. Not sure on anyone else, but he is scum for sure. Pays lip service to my wagon while setting up another lynch target. He will call you and I buddies right up until I flip town. Then he will yell about you lynching me as scum. Either way, he throws you down next.

2.) Already claimed. It has not changed.

This was the point where dyr's opinion on smash made a 180. He was flat out town or nothing before that.

[mykonian]

and smash is the one staying off the dyr wagon. Everybody else wants him dead.

But lets be honest, he's bussable. I should look to the start of day 2. Similar situation, see what people think.

[mykonian]

pffft, so the wagon didn't take off at all yesterday.

Nothing was actually said about the hammer the day before. While I definately remember it being sucky.

Yes, it was. Very short leadup, biggest complaint that thedoctor didn't claim. Yeah...

But ok, town doesn't pick it up. Smash only pushes that Dyr asked the doc to claim. Perfectly reasonable.

CF riot comes in, calls him scummy, Om comes in, argues a bit, both don't vote.

Dyr was so not protown yesterday and I have a hard-on for that wagon cause he's fishing so hard today but the one thing holding me back is the hammer. Assume town Brad announcing intent to hammer, does scum Dyr throw it down first or would he just stay off the mislynch and let Brad finish it off? I don't know him at all but purely from this being a newbie game I don't see him having the foresight to try to gain towncred by being

on

a mislynch wagon.

Well damn. Yeah, if Dyrnify was scum he would of just let me hammer. I'm pretty sure even new scum would recognize that as ideal strategy. Because new scum are going to be overly cautious to begin with to make sure they don't attract much attention.

Unvote.

and this is the hop off. Sheeping CF. It's not "his" idea but he's happy to abuse it to hop off.

God I am tunneling so hard but everything fits here.


Which leaves the next important moment (heh). The point where I replace in. Because although it takes a while, that's where actually a wagon starts on him.

Om doesn't want it, CF doesn't want it, Smash doesn't want it for the same reasons he unvoted before. Of course you'd hide behind CF's statement. You knew both people who'd hammer would be scum and it's too much fun to use it.

Nacho hops on.

Not really, I just wanted to do that for the effect. Dyr is kinda scummy but I think Nacho is a better lynch.

Right now he looks more of a scapegoat though.

That being said.

Vote: Dyrnify

.

My scum suspects at the moment are Dyrnify & Nacho or Dyrnify & Emp Dear. So either way the common denominator vote goes to Dyrnify.

Nobody at all took away why smash would absolutely not vote dyr last time. And suddenly he sheeps nacho. The guy he was just voting. stinks stinks stinks of bus, esspecially as none of the others on the wagon are scum (emp, me and nacho).

Not really, I just wanted to do that for the effect. Dyr is kinda scummy but I think Nacho is a better lynch.

Right now he looks more of a scapegoat though.

That being said.

Vote: Dyrnify

.

My scum suspects at the moment are Dyrnify & Nacho or Dyrnify & Emp Dear. So either way the common denominator vote goes to Dyrnify.

You smell funny.

God I love being right. I didn't understand the circumstances properly but that vote smelled.

So I killed the wagon going after smash. Sorry.

Trollie comes in, revives the push on Nacho. (CF was on smash/nacho).

honestly because i have:

"dyrynify town"

written in my notes i took while catching up. I saw something that made him town. I will try to find it.

Yeah ok, both my scum reads on dyr wagon, Nacho & smash wagons are all town.

Om would u consider switching your vote to smash?

VOTE: smash

i believe thats L-2

My current follow-up on my suspicion of Dyr is my recent "let's see people all pile on me and watch scumfuck Dyr be forced to hammer".

Not a bad idea, actually.

Unvote

VOTE: Nachomamma8

I doubt he'd be willing to do anything about it now since he's been called on it, but he's not the only one whose actions in regards to such a wagon I would like to observe.

vote: Nacho

VOTE: nacho
L–1 no one hammer without claiming intent

Ok.

VOTE: Nachomamma8

Call me a bastard, I hate L-1 WIFOMY bullshit.

Within 5 posts. Beyond the point that people never hammer so quickly, it does make sense if scum is full blown panic mode. If dyr is scum, smash makes a lot of sense.



Last thing, CF got killed. My guess is their hand was forced, they investigated him n1. Otherwise, that wagon was a trainwreck, they'd have loved to go for it.

Smash going for thetrollie is easy. I opened the door, he sneaked through.

So far so good.

[mykonian]

so, perhaps tracey is my lucky charm. Being right about scum early again would be kind of cool.

Regardless, last days hammer was scum, other posts were scum, dyr should be lynched.

On the other hand I'd be an idiot if I didn't look at Om and Trollie.

[mykonian]

you won't believe how obvious this all feels. Like, the amount of tells one can see is amazing. Glork tells, chat tells, stuff that only works on MS. Post after post after post.

[mykonian]

I'll be honest and tell you I suck at reading Om. Will need some help from you dude. Tell me who you are. Just... stuff about yourself you want to tell me. So stuff like age, hobbies, education. Whatever you are comfortable telling.

[mykonian]

yes, post 361 is pretty damning. Answers together with who you are, please, om.

[mykonian]

how did you know Xer was shot?

who are you? (age, hobbies, anything you like to tell about yourself. Kind of school you are on, what your favorite subject is. Just tell me who you are)

[mykonian]

yeah, that helps a little. So you are an old guy!

[mykonian]

why wasn't nacho the case? He wasn't lynched then yet.

[mykonian]

If you consider 24 old, sure -.-
pEdit:
He was IC of our game and hardest to read, I was actually convinced he was scum and pushing for him due to him not being dead and thinking he was scum due to that very reason.

and why exactly would scum consider him then?

I still don't get how you got so sure Xeg was their target. He sure didn't make sense to me to kill. It's a really silly kill, tbh.

[mykonian]

and 24 is ancient!

[mykonian]

vote om

[mykonian]

I sure hope they do.

[mykonian]

woah woah woah woah woah...

ok, so basically I was preparing a HUGE post after going through an Om/Dyr Co-ISO looking at their interactions.

Then somehow when i got to hitting "reply" the post box contained NONE of the posts i marked to quote...so idk what i did wrong.

Mykonian, i would look at it urself, its pretty easy to see that there is a long period where they completely avoid eachother, but there is a good amount of sheeping by dyr (i think, it was a bit unclear but it looked like dyr was sheeping om pretty hard). then the rest of their interactions are really fucking forced.

I say Dyr & OM scum team makes sense...and then I also just saw the Om self vote.

Om

little hint. If you are town, FUCKING UNVOTE URSELF RIGHT NOW. the only person who has made up his mind is mykonian. SECOND: now we are 100% in MYLO so if u are town, lynching you means we lose. There is really nothing that can be done to stop that.

He knows. He isn't town.

[mykonian]

Dyrnify is scum. So scummy he refuses to even post in this game anymore because he's caught so bad. You can either lynch scum with me or run away from the wagon like lemmings and hope that Dyrnify busses whoever it is you think is scummier than him.

So hard to disagree with this. Maybe it's just itchy fingers, but if we're all in agreement that Dyr is scum, why are we debating? Is there anyone here who thinks that Dyr is town besides himself?

@Smash

-who do you think is scumbuddies with Dyr?

@Trollie

-so Smash/Om...how sure is this for you-definite top 2 scum or a possibility? Because it seems like everyone (myself included) sees these three as suspicious, though to different degrees.

*Raises hand slowly*

Don't know yet.

[mykonian]

actually, I think I connected stuff for me. Trollie is right.

Apart from om, dyr doesn't have a possible scumpartner anymore.

Emp, I feel much better about lynching Om here.

[mykonian]

emp, I'm not going to claim I'm the best town ever, but I think it's a good idea to lynch Om here first.

[mykonian]

Trollie is town. Don't worry about him.

And there are a couple of other things that could keep me back from voting dyr.

And you didn't even want to lynch dyr straight away.

[mykonian]

uhm, aha.

Are you town?

[mykonian]

second question: is there a way for post 361 to be town?

[mykonian]

(Not dead)

@Om- Everyone hated him that day for the whole page 1 RC and his vote on smash/vote reveal. I'm not quite sure how to word it...I just think that if the mafia kill was blocked there's a good chance a power rule either new or took a chance that Xeg was town. The mafia may also have seen his RC as "Vanilla Townie" as (not just a bad move like the rest of the town) but suspicious. They may have suspected him for a doctor or jailer or whatever trying to be safe as a normal and figure they have nothing to lose if he really was vanilla townie. A rather farfetched theory, but still...

Is that why you tried to kill Xeg last night?

I am assuming you are talking about this part of this post?

Anyway

1) Yes, I am town.

2) If this came from Town: it would be in the context of Om asking one of those "Are you scum?" kind of questions. I mean, Emp Dear was posting a lot of WIFOM speculation as to how Mafia and a protection role could come to the same conclusions to target Xegarus Night 1, which we now know was Emp Dear breadcrumbing. So Om could of been just throwing out one of those kind of nothing questions like "Are you scum?" by asking "Is that why you targeted Xegarus last night?"

Om hasn't really defended against the case at all. So it's probably a big scumslip. Considering the fact that by process of elimination Om HAS to be scum with Dyrnify (Only because I'm dropping TheTrollie), it's obvious who the scum are. Hence my confusion as to why everyone's still being so hesitant to move forward.

Good, if you agree, lets lynch om today. We'll get dyr tomorrow.

vote dyr

[mykonian]

you want dyr and you are just as confirmed as I am.

Oh, I see why you could be confused. Hmm. Lol. First line was the reaction to smash. The rest was to you.

And if he's town after all we can claim we couldn't help it and I'll be out of the newby games again. Win-win, I'd say.

[mykonian]

vote om

[mykonian]

vote dyr

[mykonian]

tomorrow. If you are town, you hammer here. I'm not moving again.

[mykonian]

because I'm not leaving emp alone. She's a nice girl.

[mykonian]

yeah, too bad, I guess.

My dyr read is based on him bringing nothing except hammers. That isn't wifom. That's two bright flashes in the darkness.

[mykonian]

Sorry trollie. I didn't feel like fighting this game. Everything about smash regarding dyr was wrong and I knew it, but when Emp basically only wanted dyr, I didn't feel like throwing days into it anymore. Spirit broken, etc. Could have done a lot better here, I know.

no more games, yay!

[mykonian]

nobody else was left. Everybody else claimed not doctor and the chances of scum no killing n1 are distinctly small.

[mykonian]

not really. You breadcrumbed somewhat well that you had protected xeg. All in all, good job.

[mykonian]

oh, and I just saw you /in for another newby. You'd be more then ready for a "real" game.

[mykonian]

unless you are really terrible (and lets not name names, but

that guy

), a couple of days in a newbie game teach you everything it can teach you, really. Newbies are there to give you a bit of a feel for the game, but can't really teach you that much more. That's what happens soon enough in mini normals, mini themes or micros. You get to know people and that helps with getting better. It also helps just to get more real games under your belt, the more you play, the better you get.

And don't be nervous. You'd fit right in with the rest here.

[mykonian]

Newbies are totally fun and still teach me things! There's nothing wrong with continuing to play them.

You are the exception.

Only problem is once you get invested in trying out the other games around the site, people expect you to know how to scumhunt and the whole "He's new" excuse doesn't mean a whole lot anymore because you were expected to cut your teeth and become a good player through the newbie games you were in.

That's pretty much the only reason I signed up for another newbie game after trying a Mini Theme, Mini Normal and Large Normal. Because I realized I still sucked horribly at catching scum and was paying for it dearly from players who expected better from me.

Players like myself are not ready for the big league games, so playing extra newbie games is perfectly fine until we "get" it.

The problem is that newbies don't really help you to learn how to scumhunt, or I'd agree with you.

The problem with newbie games is that you face newbies. A different set of tells works on them for the simple reason that they haven't played a game before. They'll always make the same mistakes, you can catch them in ways which aren't possible in a normal game. And lets not pretend that the players in them are so great. They just play in a slightly different way.

Emp showed that she can play with nacho, me, CF, trollie, skrew without problems. She knows how things go now. A small "real" game is the next logical step for everybody who managed to play a couple of days in a newbie, to get experience. Just avoid the larges the first time. They are asking a bit more concentration.

Now given, this is totally noob advice to be used by noobs when clearly there are multiple people who are telling you you're wrong. Once you've been here a while and you feel like bucking the system, you're more than welcome to stick by an action and challenge peoples' opinions on whether or not it's a good play.

The "best playstyle" around here is always up for debate and constantly changing, so don't feel like you have an exact set of rules you have to follow in games.

Just be aware that many games have been played here before you, and in that time we've figured a couple things out.

Bolded is key. Newbies coming here are always the same, newbie games hence don't change very much. Seven of the nine people are on average coming in with the same habits and knowledge from previous games (none). That means some tells work very well against them while learning them won't help you for real games. And the other way around. Some tells that work in real games can't be applied very well in newbies, dyr being a good example here.

[mykonian]

As for smash, this was indeed what happened to you, sorry. I've seen you as both now and there really is a difference.