The Wire, Season 1 - Final Credits!

[Kise]

Hi. Did the mod tell you guys I'd be in active lurk mode until I get my new lappy? 4 days to deadline...where can I find good cases?

[Kise]

I've looked at the last few pages... Nos 701 doesn't make sense in regards to singling mini lib's potential coast game vs spice & other's.... not sure why dude said Shadoweh was town unless he just flirting.... I'm feeling a certain way about abst -> camn & plez. camn should be town here actually. I will come back to this when I read from start to current... zden's vote on jason looks like a desperate attempt at building a counterwagon. In fact zden, I thought your posts on page 31 were carefully/nervously constructed, then I see on p.29 that you used to be relaxed and posting in lower case before getting all Yale boy proper on us....tfuck is good, son?

[Kise]

Doesn't he betray the Barksdale orginization?

He does, yes.

Sterling turns out to be stealing money from D'Angelo's crew in the Pit, too.

But if anything, that makes me believe the name-claims

more

, really. (These aren't the names I'd expect Faraday to give out as safe fake-claims, I mean.)

Is you throwing shade on zden in this post? And if you believe both name claims, why ur on dan still at the time of this post?

[Kise]

Correction: you weren't voting dan. I would still like to ask the first question from the above post

Fos shad, nos, camn, plez

.

[Kise]

Shadow, camn & Nos... I aint fucking with

none

of they posts. Last two is looking suspect as hell, probably lurking til another DL crunch wagon is decided on so they can skip-hop they ass on it... that's speculation tho. Bottom line is my fos' was more from gut than any obvious tell or slips I can point out. Also, with zden being likely town out the deal (and looking like town now), my earlier post about their exchange(s) makes sense to me with camn & Nos as scum. But I'm REALLY not tryna fuck with that nigga Nos. Feel me? My fos' was more like a bookmark of people I should look at closely when I get around to reading page 1 --> .....As for Ples, I felt a certain way about how they been commenting on people and not throwing down any hard views. I'll tell you a little secret that scum are known to do but don't know how to catch themselves... scum'll try to sit on a prospective lynch for a good while to not be seen as a votehopper. Now when I go back, or if you wanna pull up that iso, we gon see if ples

[Kise]

been making moves with they vote, or if they not even bout that life, which is what I suspect/expect they would do as image-concerned scummas. You may be able to tell that I'm using my phone to come online still. Obv can't post maximum length messages and also can't view more than like 15 iso posts, so... I'll holla when I get that new laptop.

[Kise]

I corrected myself about your vote not being on dan. It was right below the post you just read off. And if you want to discourage my fos', explain why in a non-selfish manner. Know what, nvm.

unvote; vote plessbians

. BET nobody got a townread on you either... I expect camn & nos to continue lurking convincingly up til deadline. But it's ok, they not lurking cus I called them out, they lurking cus they didn't have time to check the thread for real, ain't that right ples? :rollseyes: .... pedit: well lookie there

[Kise]

Are you jabronis gonna attack my character or are you gonna read me as town/null/scum for my posts? Cus like, the second option is more productive. First one is just attempts to discredit a nigga gut and shit.

[Kise]

Oh, but I really dont know why/who I mistook you for, ples. Had to be someone who had a similar posting style, I guess(?). I'd like to ask, is there anything you can extract from me if I could remember the name/reason I thought you were voting Dan?

[Kise]

@Ples, about popular wagons, though I did comment on zden, I don't have anything out of the way to say when someone claims a PR and they're not in my sights. I spoke on who I was looking at; read me from my given reads. I don't give special notes to wagons just for the sake of it, same as I haven't commented on those other dozen players I haven't fos'd. I feel like hammering tgah because I trust zden when he says rofl's been online - and I'm piecing together he's hydra'd in tgah.....seriously, I don't know why I thought you voted Dan. I might have seen a votecount but glanced real quick and didnt pay attention to names. Dont know. Judge me later

[Kise]

Got my laptop. Won't be able to read things until Saturday.

[Kise]

So besides Absta being 100% fucking useless, Camn is prob very likely not scum? I mean, her frustration at him really seemed genuine.

I dunno. He fake raged for what? As someone else said, he tried to look busy on a wagon he knew wasn't popping off just to look like an active townie being productive. I have to check whether he outright said fuck you to camn. I don't remember a mod warning.

[Kise]

@Plez - You never seen that question before?
Seriously, go fuck yourself. I'm not going to finish reading 10+ (boring) pages when one of you voters could just tell me.

That's the one. So maybe camn is clean, yeah. My eyebrow raised when he dropped the case as I started fossing.

[Kise]

Been drinking. Lemme read later.

[Kise]

Got laptop.

[Kise]

Alrightalrightalright I'll READ for real this time.zzzz

[Kise]

Yo this ain't no Yugoslavia shit right here niqqa, this America right here, I got rights man.

for great justice!

You want justice niqqa? Justice? Yo you got them cops all the way up here talking about "investigatin'" and shit when there's nothing to investigate, and you want JUSTICE? Yo you got some nerves man, showin' up here as some undercover cop.

Vote: TheGreatestAmericanHero

lmao

[Kise]

I feel horrible for stalling on you guys.

Why don't I have any votes on me?

[Kise]

323 looks like a needless post to have come from scum. It is iffy tho.

SAD do you think that people townreading you are just naive or possibly scum who are faking reads

Most are prob naive, but honestly didn't really expect it from others who know I'm capable of this (shadoweh comes to mind).

The last bit is what saves him in my eye. There were at least a few who he didn't trust giving the town rea d on him.

[Kise]

I know, committing suicide.

[Kise]

Why would jason be 3rd party?

I'm thinking half of my reads from d1 were off. Shadoweh kill almost spites me. Gut says something is up with Cerulean but they're playing so good.

[Kise]

It'd be cool if people said they agree with me if they do because so far I'm still assuming sotty won't be lynched today

Vig or SK. I'll leave you to ponder that.

That post alone warrants lynching Kise. He's daring the town to vote him.

Assessing reads of my slot. Think about it..I go after Sha, camn, Nos and Pless. Shad gets hit by mafia, camn's other [former] antagonist gets killed the same night , Nos and Ples say nothing more to me. Felt weird that there was no follow up against me for those things alone.

It's like..I don't want to drop those because I think there's something there after finally getting around to isos, and then with absta dropping his entire case on camn the moment I also start looking her way just read like someone who didn't want to be involved in a vote that was actually possible. I'm also looking at that first SAD quote where he calls TGAH undercover police (hey, traitor, undercover) and the buzz going around that maybe scum knew they had a traitor. I notice cheeky things like that.

There's a lack of direct communication with me in your posts. No questions, just talking about me without me?

[Kise]

Procrastinators unite!




Not right now though, tomorrow.

[Kise]

sotty that's lame. I'm down 2 teammates so my strategy is to taunt people into voting me?

vote: sotty

[Kise]

Opps.. the using-an-alt-to-check-your-scumgame tell?

never heard of it, please do tell

[Kise]

O...k.

pedit oh I'm at 6.
Well I'm that white guy you all were talking about, the lawyer. Doc. I stll think sotty is SK.

[Kise]

Maurice Levy. Official role name is expensive doctor

[Kise]

It'd be cool if people said they agree with me if they do because so far I'm still assuming sotty won't be lynched today

Vig or SK. I'll leave you to ponder that.

This was a bluff but sotty had no reaction to it the next day. I don't think they're mafia due to lynching TGAH but they don't read town.

[Kise]

oh yeah. Cerulean. They seemed like a decent kill for scum if town.

[Kise]

First 8 pages were interesting. After that I seemed to be reading slow and bored easily. Kinda fucked off around page 18, tried to catch up from the start of today and just call it at that. The kuribo & CDB cases looked reasonable but I didn't feel like jumping on them. It'd be shitty of me to pre-emptively counterwagon them to save my own skin.

I was wondering if I should think something of Cerulean with absta being scum. I'm not saying camn is 100% town for that but his flip was enough for me to get put her on the backburner. The people I want to believe are scum (ples, cer, sotty, nos) aren't slipping up. I got nothing.

[Kise]

O...k.

pedit oh I'm at 6.
Well I'm that white guy you all were talking about, the lawyer. Doc. I stll think sotty is SK.

Where have we heard that before?

Kise is still scum.

No seriously. You're saying I'm scum for wanting to be lynched after 2 of my teammates are down. That's a bad excuse to continue sitting on a lurker.

[Kise]

unvote
vote BT

It'd be cool if people said they agree with me if they do because so far I'm still assuming sotty won't be lynched today

Vig or SK. I'll leave you to ponder that.

O...k.

pedit oh I'm at 6.
Well I'm that white guy you all were talking about, the lawyer. Doc. I stll think sotty is SK.

Having not even established a third party SK for certain, what townie is actually thinking this way and basing lynches on SK theories at this point?

This is why Kise isn't town.

I smell fear. Why do you respond to it now, not then?

[Kise]

Kise

-- can you link us to a past game in which you claimed a power role?

I haven't played in over a year. Only got 2 completed games. I can't remember the last time I was run up for a lynch/L-1 but I'll keep digging.

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 3#p4567953 <-wanting to start a massclaim (pedit VT here)
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 9#p4656729 <- last to claim after scum was hammered

[Kise]

I checked. My other games were eaten by the tiger invasion. I only remember claiming JK in one to help lynch scum.

In fact, his choice of targets reeks of opportunism. He throws out unexplained reads, and talks about people being town or scum, but he's more than happy to drop those reads for no reason if he can be part of an easy lynch. (See, for instance, his weak town read on Kise in 1079,1231, followed by his more recent vote. He's not given any reason to stop town-reading Kise, he hasn't even noted that he's ignoring his earlier read. But Kise looked like an easy lynch, and that seems to be all Arthur cares about.)

Yes, I'm not supposed to

compromise

on a lynch that I think can

possibly

hit scum (I mean you yourself stated I had a weak townread on Kise :rolleyes:) near deadline. Neither am I supposed to change my reads on people. Noted.

Alright, I see I missed a good bit and the Kuribo (my no1 suspect) wagon disappeared. I have said I could go for a Kise lynch today. Already given my reasons why so

vote:Kise

So you have literally nothing to say about his claim and just hop on the wagon? Mmk.

Don't actually believe Kise's claim.

This thought pattern is worse.

unvote; vote SAD

[Kise]

Really... so a doc isn't likely against two known nightkillers in the setup. Cool, Ben.

[Kise]

PLUS who the fuck is going to counter claim EXPENSIVE doc

MEans I'm not regular doc and means I withheld info for the sake of greater good.

There can't be a steady doc along with my role, and it also hints that I'm balanced towards there being an SK > a vig.

[Kise]

It's not too important for the public to know, really. More harmful than helpful.

[Kise]

Kise, people repeatedly called you out for not contributing and lurking, etc, it wouldn't have taken a genius that you would soon get suspected for it, so why did you not even really attempt to contribute knowing you're a pr?

I said to myself I should play lowkey anyway. But other than that, I'm fully caught up in other "threads" and I'm behind in this game. My personal workload requires a good 20+ hours from me each week, but I try not to be all work no play.

[Kise]

And since I really won't have much time to post in the next few days, I'm d'angelo, VT.

unvote

How is this VT but wendell is a PR In fact Wendell was a snitch wasn't he?

[Kise]

Since I don't see it in the rules

MOD: Are we allowed to say the name of our abilities, be it voting, active and other?

[Kise]

The (active? I'm guessing) ability is called defence attorney.

Kuribo?

pedit: I saw that. You deserve to be replaced.

[Kise]

I was aiming that at the mod. He posted under Faraday instead of Baltimore Sun.

vote SAD

[Kise]

Thought it would be something like quoting the mod. Anway, D'angelo is a Barksdale boy after reviewing the wiki.

unvote
vote BT

pedit: @ SAD kuribo's character read fishy as fuck in the wiki. I thought about voting kuribo there. He's weirding me out by admitting to L-1ing himself as scum before, and I remember he did say in [REDACTED] that he does some hardcore mindfucking when he's scum and town, so you can't pull meta on him.

If he's to be believed.

[Kise]

People have a townread on camn?

[Kise]

Kise, are you familiar with the theme or not <___<

Seen some of it years ago. CHaracters like Avon and Stringer Bell are hard to forget, but consider me as not knowing flavor. I'm wiki checking.

I checked your claimed character's wiki a second time before voting BT. The first time, I saw you were Avon's nephew and thought "important char, VT..Wendell is a snitch but gets a power? Might vote kuribo". I haven't seen the show, and Wendell might still be Barksdale to the fullest in season 1. So I went back to you but then thought it over and said fuck BT for turncoating.

SAD can you cut that down? It's the same question repeated in several post. All it takes is one answer from me, not several questions

[Kise]

Kise, are you familiar with the theme or not <___<

Seen some of it years ago. CHaracters like Avon and Stringer Bell are hard to forget, but consider me as not knowing flavor. I'm wiki checking.

I checked your claimed character's wiki a second time before voting BT. The first time, I saw you were Avon's nephew and thought "important char, VT..Wendell is a snitch but gets a power?

Might vote kuribo"

. I haven't seen the show, and Wendell might still be Barksdale to the fullest in season 1. So I went back to you but then thought it over and said fuck BT for turncoating.

I glanced at both character wikis. Before unvoting you the second time, I read D'angelo's wiki more to see if it would sway me off you. I still don't like that you were inconsistent with your read of me post-doc claim and yes, I'm kind of purely unvoting you because you're claiming a Barksdale person.

This is ridiculous, the wagons are scrambling around like we don't know who to lynch while Kise is getting away with being scum.

You keep talking about me more than you talk to me. Confront me. And it'd be wonderful to have direct responses from you when I quote you.

[Kise]

sottyrulz way of taking swipes at me is annoying (unlike you) in that I'm posting TO them and they, rather than reply directly to me, brush it off and say something to the effect of "STILL SKUM". It reminds me of how testy I get when mastin shrugs a post of mine (even when not in the form of a question) I feel is worth a back-and-forth engagement.

[Kise]

Just kinda twiddling my thumbs right now. Sotty suspicion is healthy.

Feeling Cerulean is town now. camn, sotty, and probably DV after BT. He looks like a sneaky fox.

[Kise]

People who think Kise is town should tell me their thoughts on his entrance to the game, seeing as his D1 can be summed up as a lazy push on unlikely suspects -- much more likely to come from a scum replacement.

Yeah I WAS lazy. Phone posting from the point I replaced in (page 20 something?)...what aspects of my commentary determined that my entrance was more likely scum replacing in than town, in your opinion? If I went with more likely suspects, wouldn't that just be bandwagoning?

Have some more food for thought:
#777: "I'm feeling a certain way about abst -> camn & plez.

camn should be town here actually

."
#915: "Shadow, camn & Nos... I aint fucking with none of they posts.

Last two is looking suspect as hell

, probably lurking til another DL crunch wagon is decided on so they can skip-hop they ass on it... that's speculation tho."

By the way, what

did

you mean by that in #777, Kise? You said "I will come back to this when I read from start to current..." but you never did. And this is an absta-related matter we're talking about.

I was going to side with camn against absta ("camn should be town here"). Although I didn't read any isos during this time, I did look over things again, and reading further along WITH the game I decided to side with absta and antagonize camn. "I ain't fucking with none of they posts" is as it sounds. No town vibes came from their comments, and especially camn and Nos who had began to lurk "probably til another DL crunch wagon is decided on". Nos came back and all he said was I annoy him. camn never engaged me during that phase. Shadoweh died and I thought to myself, let's see who rubs it in my face that I was wrong. Apparently no one cared to.

Also, I'm still puzzled by your sad->kuribo->sad->me transition because the whole checking the wiki thing seems out of place. From #1989: "I glanced at both character wikis. Before unvoting you the second time, I read D'angelo's wiki more to see if it would sway me off you. I still don't like that you were inconsistent with your read of me post-doc claim and yes, I'm kind of purely unvoting you because you're claiming a Barksdale person." Why would the wiki sway you off at all? Why drop voting people off of game-relevant things for "brb, voting off of the wiki" in the first place, only to vote me for 'turncoating' eventually? In fact, from #1984: "So I went back to you [SAD] but then thought it over and said fuck BT for turncoating." Didn't you say you changed your mind because he "claimed a Barksdale person"? Yet here it looks like you found me scum

mier

than SAD. Overall I'm thinking this was a scum attempt at looking genuine judging by the number of holes and general weirdness.

I'm always going to try my hand at guessing flavor, ask Ben & Tammy. D'angelo was a VT (and him being the nephew of an important character; possibly a super important character on his own) didn't read fake claim. TGAH claimed VT already, and I [personally] doubt scum would have VT attached to a major character.

SAD's crime was greater than yours since he appeared to be iffy on whether I was scum, but he went with it to be with the majority. Then, when I claimed, he said he STILL didn't believe I was town, which was inconsistent since he never called me scum and in fact I believe he had me as town shortly after sotty placed the first vote. His claim was all that got me off, even though I didn't read him as scum til he was wish washy with me.

You were the same way, as someone who went along with wagoning me to be with the majority. When I claimed doc, "nah I don't believe him, he's scum" is what came from you too. You also gave some reason for it - something to do with docs shouldn't taunt people. So YEAH, it read like a bullshit reason to keep voting the doc and get me out via lynch rather than at night when I could have eyes watching over me.

OK, people.
First off, those so-called 'breadcrumbs' are an insult to me.
I am the fucking queen of breadcrumbing, and that shit it just white noise.

We don't believe you, you need more people

BT

- his reactions to the late push on him yesterday were good.. but I think there is enough uncertainty about this slot that it should NOT be allowed to endgame... but likely will.

town?

Im torn.

kuribo

-

TOWN

. Bad for the town-town... but town.

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 8#p4729368
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 5#p4735175
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 8#p4735368

After reviewing these posts from your iso, I'm confused. Can you explain more what BT did during the lategame push, and what finally shows kuribo to be town?

[Kise]

Fair enough, but you say this caused you to think that kuribo's claim was weird. How does that make sense if SAD's claim was to be the only "weird" one?

I looked Wendell up at the same time I looked up d'angelo. Wendell snitched on the organization... but in this game, he was given a power over D'angelo? That's what was weird to me. I don't know anything about Wendell other than what i read, so for all I know he could still be loyal as of season 1 (the season this game is based on). And the name of his ability is straight with me.

You were the same way, as someone who went along with wagoning me to be with the majority. When I claimed doc, "nah I don't believe him, he's scum" is what came from you too. You also gave some reason for it - something to do with docs shouldn't taunt people. So YEAH, it read like a bullshit reason to keep voting the doc and get me out via lynch rather than at night when I could have eyes watching over me.

I actually

wasn't

voting you

until

the doc claim.

Ok true. I remember it only a little bit. SAD was the greater offender to me.

If you're looking for opportunistic "he claimed doc, let's finish him" conspirators, one of them flipped town tonight.

Did I say I was looking? Why even feel urged to compare yourself to dead town?

[Kise]

vote tml

, equinox never subbed in

[Kise]

http://www.quicktopic.com/46/H/rWhcCMPjWAY9B

Last Faraday game I was scum in. Our fakeclaims weren't in the role PMs, but in the 2nd post of our scum QT.

[Kise]

Hey, can I see the Expensive Doc night choices... there was a moment I was debating no killing in hopes Kise was protecting me.... I wanna see if the nights were lined up.

Congrats on the win and the engagement ----- Cerulean, Zdenek, kuribo, no one, camn (or I cancelled it, can't remember), no one