The Wire, Season 1 - Final Credits!

[Equinox]

Hi.

If there's something that requires my immediate attention, please point it out so that I can take care of it first thing. Otherwise, I'll be reading the last 10 pages or so to see who I should be sheeping, and then we can go from there.

Also, if you guys are really thirsty for my blood, please holler so we can get that out of the way because 90 pages is pretty damn long.

[Equinox]

I know it's a bit sucky but I'm not cool with ditching lynches because a player needs time to settle in. Personally, and again I don't mean to be a dick, I consider opting to replace in an agreement to catch up sufficiently to deal with the current game-state, unfortunately though given that the current game state is to lynch your slot that does translate to a lot of work.

Hey. Don't feel bad. Blood is a beautiful thing to behold, most of all when it belongs to someone else. Rejoice!

Equinox: I am thirsty for your blood. I feel diverting from your lynch would be a bad idea at this point. Sorry. Also, hi.

Why is there a mini wagon on you?

[Equinox]

vote tml

, equinox never subbed in

While we're on that note, can we not hammer me until I've posted some final thoughts, please? End of Sunday EST, tops.

So far, I've read the first 3 pages and from page 80 onward. I'll take some time out today to read flipped scum, check out cases, and find out what the hell is going on with all the claims. For now, though, I'm inclined to think BT is town based on behavior that seemed genuine, though I'm interested in hearing BT's response to DeasVail, so an explanation will come after that's done. I have no idea why there's a wagon on ChannelDelibird. If the reason is in one of camn's spoiler tags, it's gone forever. He seems like town, though? Even if I can't put a finger on why.

Out of everyone else, I wouldn't lynch jasonT1981 or kuribo. Based on posts, Plessiezarus looks like town, but I'm putting a hold on that until I see Ser Arthur Dayne's and Tammy's opinions on the Zar head. Okay, that was an impressive list, huzzah.

Anyway...

Benmage, who would you vote if not ChannelDelibird? ChannelDelibird has explained his inactivity and it seems like it'd be an adequate reason.

Not voting (6) : Cerulean, JasonT1981, Zdenek, Equinox, Deasvail, Shaft

Why are you folks not on a wagon?

[Equinox]

EBWOP: Scratch the line about getting hammered. Would still like at least until Sunday to read as much as possible.

[Equinox]

Out first post was on page 5; and the last ten pages of this game only have a single post in which Plessiez makes an off-site comment about Arthur. How come, if you've only read the pages you have claimed, you know Arthur and Tammy might influence your opinion on me?

If I remember correctly, they have scum meta on you, so I'm hoping they might have commentary on how you've sounded, behaved, etc.

[Equinox]

So from

where

exactly do you remember this?

See, neither of them mentioned anything about me in any of the pages you claimed to have read.

Correct. Neither of them mentioned anything about you in the pages I've read.

With Tammy being Tammy, Ser Arthur Dayne being Ser-Arthur-Dayne, and Zar being Zar Lannister, I was thinking that Tammy played in or spectated a game with you where you were scum, and I seem to remember Ser-Arthur-Dayne playing against you-scum in a game I'd read.

Though now that I think about it, that might not have been Ser-Arthur-Dayne. Pah.

In any case, that's where the assumption comes from. I guess I could check and see who else you've played with on this site and then look to them for advice, and things might even be more relevant that way, but it seems faster to just check with the people who are in this game because I'm reading here anyway.

[Equinox]

Have you ever played a game in Westeros?

Once, as Temperance. It was with you, actually.

[Equinox]

I literally think scum is chilling out and watching town eat itself today, it happens, I get that, but really we could at least lynch scotty and get a decent chunk of information out of it.

I don't think you ever mentioned what information could have been gained from sottyrulez's flip. Now that you have it, what have you learned?

So yeah, basically take the SAD wagon:

Deasvail, Plessiezarus, Zdenek, JasonT1981, The-Mini Librarian, Nostredeus, ChannelDeliBird, sottyrulez

Since you're analyzing just the Ser Arthur Dayne wagon, how many scum are you expecting to have tried lynching Ser Arthur Dayne? Don't need a specific number here, just an idea of what you're looking for.

What do you think of the BT wagon that was roughly concurrent with Ser Arthur Dayne's?

Also, this is a bit old, but I'd like you to expand on it anyway:

If Kise gets lynched the flip does provide nice info so if it happens I'll only palm face with one hand.

Kise (6) - The Mini-Librarian, Cerulean, Ser Arthur Dayne, sottyrulez, Benmage, camn

What sort of information would Kise's flip have provided at this point?

[Equinox]

The above makes me suspicious of heavily stable wagons with members who don't make an effort to consider other cases and also compromise voters, SAD's wagon has both.

Pretend I'm town for a moment. Do you think there's a difference between what happened with the Ser Arthur Dayne wagon and what's happening with the Equinox wagon?

[Equinox]

The difference is that we know SAD's alignment so can make judgements about that wagon in hindsight, as such I'd expect people to make judgements about the makeup of the current wagon if you flipped town, for example I expect a tonne of heat if you do. [Pretending you're town, nope, there is no difference and ->if<- you are then the same reasoning should apply, I'm still happy to find out but I think there's more chat to be had.] (Not ignoring your other stuff by the way just unable to comprehensively post on a phone).

Okay.

Let's say I get lynched right now and flip town:

Equinox (5) - ChannelDelibird, BT, Nostredeus, Plessiezarus, Shaft

Would you expect to find scum in this group? If so, how many and where based on your current knowledge of the game state?

[Equinox]

Equinox, who would you put your vote on right now if you had to?

Ask me again in a few posts. I'm trying to find the answer to this question.

[Equinox]

General question: How town were Shadoweh and sottyrulez? Like, were they generally considered town by most everyone in the game?

Other than that, bleh. I've narrowed down the list of people who aren't currently town reads to Benmage, camn, Cerulean, DeasVail, and Nostredeus. Somewhere in this thread is an argument and/or generally held belief that camn cannot be absta101's partner, so cross her out for the time being. Benmage, Cerulean, and DeasVail are people I haven't gotten to reading yet, though apparently Cerulean is really town and that sottyrulez had a strong town read of Benmage which, for some reason, seems compelling. The list that remains really can't be it, even considering that I'm sort of wavering on BT, so there's probably something wrong with the town reads.

Can someone poke holes in these, please?

I had a town read of BT based on his behavior at the end of Day 2, when it was down to either him or Ser Arthur Dayne getting lynched. The posts where BT admits that he would rather his own wagon go through instead of Ser Arthur Dayne's to stop the BT-scum suspicions felt genuine. There's also Vifam's behavior early on Day 1; posts 36 through 45 felt spontaneous, even though he bombed jasonT1981's gambit. Just feels like Vifam wasn't thinking when he posted those things, which tends to happen more with a town mindset. Really, though, the only reason I'm waffling on this slot is DeasVail's and kuribo's insistence on BT being scum. Probably should check out their cases.

jasonT1981, kuribo, Plessiezarus, ChannelDelibird, and Shaft. Meh? I don't know what I'd change with these, really. If sottyrulez says jasonT1981 is town, he's town, not to mention that gambit jasonT1981 tried to pull with the name claims early on. kuribo's town because kuribo and because it really looks like ActionDan thought he'd caught scum back when he'd counterclaimed. Plessiezarus looks town? So does ChannelDelibird. Actually, I'm fairly sure ChannelDelibird is town, even though I never wrote down a reason why. Huh. Might find it again if I ever get back to rereading end of Day 2. Shaft I'm fairly sure didn't fake his claim, and that modifier would make for a shitty scum doctor.

That was a lot of words that said nothing.

I've got some time tomorrow to read more, so if you lot aren't yet tired of Day 3, there may be more words yet.

[Equinox]

Phone post real quick, so no quotes.

The thing I'm worried about is why Shadoweh and sottyrulez were arrested specifically, especially when there were claims running around, yet they're almost nothing alike from what I could tell from reading them in isolation. With Plessiezarus's response in mind, I'll take a look at ActionDan, Zdenek, and maybe Kise.

Plessiezarus, I noticed that about sottyrulez's read of jasonT1981, though by the end, they semmed to settle on him being town. Not as adamant as before, though.

Also, confirming that Faraday has done eavesdropped neighborhoods before in Mini 1192: My Little Pony - Friendship Is Magic Mafia.

camn is right, though, pick someone lest you want another deadline scramble. Only this time it won't be as pretty because the case on my head is the kind that never goes away.

[Equinox]

camn, you're accusing ChannelDelibird of "RVS bussing and coaching," right? What do you think of the cases against BT and me?

[Equinox]

Equinox

: out of curiosity: how caught up are you at this point? Basically, how far along have you read?

Pages 1-3, pages 70-74, pages 80-94. Shadoweh's iso, sottyrulez's iso, latter half of Nostredeus's iso.

I'm holding off until Equenix is caught up fully, but I am still of a Kuribo feeling on scum with TML/Equenox & Benmage lower as well as CDB

In all honesty, I won't be caught up by deadline, nor is it a good idea to wait for me to be caught up since we're only a few days away.

[Equinox]

To answer my own post- I think BT would be the biggest liability, given all three candidates are town.

If you argue on the basis of liability alone, then I would be the best lynch today, even if you think the case is crap because that's the case that will come up again tomorrow and whatever Days that come after that.

Here's the thing, though. You're arguing that ChannelDelibird connected himself to a scum buddy. That's pretty much the same argument that they're making about The Mini-Librarian. How is ChannelDelibird different? (Also, the links in your reads post don't link to ChannelDelibird's posts.)

Have reread Nostredeus and DeasVail. It has strengthened my townreads on Nost and seriously weakened my one on DV. Also feeling better about BTown.

Could you expand on your Nostredeus-town read, please?

[Equinox]

There's something I don't understand. If you've read all of D3 (80-94), Why are you talking about taking a look at Zdenek then?

NK analysis or at least an attempt at one. Generally, I look at the people who are dead and then the people who should be dead but aren't. Zdenek claimed a confirmable role on Day 1.

[Equinox]

What Zar was driving at is: given how much of the thread you claim to have read, you should know that Zdenek didn't just claim a confirmable role, he's had that role confirmed by more than one person. Are you "taking a look" at him because you find his being alive suspicious, or for some other reason?

I've only seen him confirm once to you. I haven't gotten to the other one yet, but I assume it's happened. For the purposes of looking at Night 1, though, Zdenek was just considered a confirmable role at the time, since he wasn't confirmed to someone until the Day after. I don't find his being alive necessarily suspicious; it's just how I do this sort of thing. People die for different reasons, and people live for different reasons. Looking at just the dead people gives only part of the picture. It would help to look at potential reasons for why Shadoweh and sottyrulez are dead, and it would help more to also look at potential reasons for why Zdenek, kuribo, Shaft, etc. are still alive, since it could be that someone's reads are on or off or that there's some potential that scum can see themselves manipulating in the players still alive, and so on.

[Equinox]

Shouldn't that be Kuribo?

Plessiezarus was the first up the possibility. Scum usually avoid giving that kind of thing away. But yes, if it does turn out there's an eavesdropper, then kuribo is as good a confirmed town as any.

[Equinox]

There sure is a lot of attack on my character going on these days... but yeah, what Equinox said!

So, going off your ChannelDelibird RVS bussing and coaching case, what's the difference between what you have on ChannelDelibird and what other people have on The Mini-Librarian?

[Equinox]

Equinox, are you saying you find Zdenek potentially scummy? If so can you please link me a game with a scum aligned friendly neighbor, I could do with a source or two to see how scum friendly neighbors play and I can't find an example of it happening.

That's not what I said. I'm looking at Zdenek not because I'm suspicious of him -- actually I think he's town -- but because I'm interested in potential reasons for why he is alive, since I am also looking into potential reasons for why scum killed the people they did.

I'll take a look at the rest in a bit, working on something that's due in a couple of hours.

[Equinox]

Hi, Nostredeus.

Please answer this ASAP:

I don't think you ever mentioned what information could have been gained from sottyrulez's flip. Now that you have it, what have you learned?

What sort of information would Kise's flip have provided at this point?

You've already touched on the second question by mentioning who you think would have been scum on Kise's wagon, but what I'm also looking for here is what led you to say in post 1819 that you wouldn't have been happy with Kise getting lynched over sottyrulez but would still gain "information" from it. What was your thought process at the time you had said these things?

Also, please answer this question:

Equinox (5) - ChannelDelibird, BT, Nostredeus, Plessiezarus, Shaft

Would you expect to find scum in this group? If so, how many and where based on your current knowledge of the game state?

Preferably today before I flip, please.

[Equinox]

Regarding the Kise flip: The information was simply to clarify a number of reads I had on people, for example I've already mentioned that it has solidified my read on you.

Clarification of reads is generally what happens no matter who flips. You said it like Kise was special; was he? Also, as you'll see in the quote below, you said something similar for sottyrulez as an incentive for other people to vote them:

I literally think scum is chilling out and watching town eat itself today, it happens, I get that, but really we could at least lynch scotty and get a decent chunk of information out of it.

I guess we could continue dancing, except this is getting to be like pulling teeth, so I'll get to the point: Why are you being so vague? Even in your analysis post in post 2423, you say that the wagons were "very revealing," yet you're not very revealing about why it's so obvious that it's camn and The Mini-Librarian. You did the analysis, yet you're not showing your work at all. I thought that it might've been that you believed that their positions made it obvious (it wasn't), but your answers here tell me you

are

being vague. Why are you holding back on revealing your thought process?

In fact, when I asked you about who was scum on my wagon, you just threw out names without explaining why you believed the likely scum on my wagon to be BT and ChannelDelibird. Why BT, who was on NONE of the wagons you listed in post 2423? Why ChannelDelibird, on whom you said you had a town read in post 2239, and who was seen leading the BT wagon only to jump on Ser Arthur Dayne because of the deadline?

Actually, here, let's spice things up.

Vote: Nostredeus

Preview edit: Goddammit, you stole my thunder.

[Equinox]

(Also equinox it legit didn't take you 21 minutes (or an hour if you started typing before #2443) to write that post, let's not pretend you didn't throw that vote/post up in reaction to plessie's post yeah?)

You can think that if you like.

[Equinox]

Actually I'm gunna go eat some stuff and be back later (After work) to respond to this bit, bear in mind though the more questions you both ask the less detailed my responses get due to other commitments; wall wars are unproductive with me due to time constraints sadly .


P-Edit: What kind of a response is that. :/

I'm not looking for a wall war. I'm looking for answers. I'll just keep asking until I get them.

As for my response, I did take that long, and I was surprised/frustrated/happy when I saw Plessiezarus's even bigger and better and more detailed post show up in the ninja preview. Take my preview edit as you will; I only say things from the heart~

Will take a look at the rest when I get home.

Deadline isn't far away and I'm gonna be busy for the next few days but I do want to reanalyze Nost and compare with TML/Equinox now. They're probably not scum together, at any rate.

Then you should string him up either before or after me? Hint hint?

[Equinox]

EBWOP: The first quote is Nostredeus's post 2453.

[Equinox]

BLATANT SHEEPING OF COUNTERWAGON GO

Unvote, Vote: BT

Though having Nostredeus's head on a platter at some point in the very near future would be an acceptable offering.

(Also, I'm home and will addressing and reading stuff shortly but only after consuming food.)

[Equinox]

So, just a quicky (still working) if BT flips town what does that mean for your super solid 'auto-lynch' read on me?

Don't worry.

If BT flips town, you will survive for another Day. I will be your meat shield.

But then after that, I will have my vengeance.

[Equinox]

Oh, I know this one! (It's "after", right? I'm not very good at picking up subtle hints...)

I'm not seeing why Equinox and Nost can't be scum together . Nost claiming to be suspicious of TML from day 1 onwards but not doing anything to really push a wagon is not a great point against it, nor is Equinox voting Nost for a few hours (at a time he was in no danger of being lynched) and then jumping to a different wagon.

Actually, I was just not-subtly-at-all hinting that I wanted Nostredeus dead at some point, though having that happen "before" would be superb, yes.

As for your point that I only voted Nostredeus for a few hours: you will note that we have only a few days left to deadline and 2 people on V/LA. I'd love to lynch Nostredeus, but the only other person who happens to think the same way about how vaguely skeevy (or skeevily vague, or maybe both) he's been -- you -- also wants me dead, so I realize that Nostredeus flipping on Day 3 isn't as big of a possibility as I'd like it to be.

Could be confirmation bias but I don't see why Equinox has to add the caveat of "pretend I'm town" here. If he believes in the point and is appealing to Nost as a townie (which he appears to be doing, given that he's addressing Nost directly rather than pointing out his flaws in reasoning to the town as a whole), then the point should stand up by itself without needing to subtly emphasise the idea that Equinox is town.

That's confirmation bias, ChannelDelibird. I wasn't appealing to Nostredeus; I was trying to get him into reveal his thought process by forcing him into that hypothetical situation to get him to do wagon analysis before my flip, as opposed to after when he can fit his analyses into whatever-shaped holes he likes.

[Equinox]

It's Wednesday, isn't it?

jasonT1981, pick a wagon and sit on it. kuribo is not scum, and kuribo is not getting lynched. Be lazy if you want, but you know more about the game state than I do and yet you're managing to do less.

[Equinox]

Really? Sometimes I feel like I've forgotten how to read.

Oh, fuck. Sorry, Zdenek.

Make that two people. Or maybe three since now that I've looked back kuribo seems to be developing a thirst for Cookie Monster-flavored cookie dough.

Yeah, okay, it's real early in the morning still.

...can't we just lynch Nostredeus? I promise I'll read BT over Night?

[Equinox]

Oh, what the hell. I'll sing for 3 days if I have to.

Unvote, Vote: Nostredeus

Hop on for super happy fun times!

Preview edit: Oh, yay, make it four now. Pleeeeease? If the dinosaur hops on, it'll make 5 and there's gotta be somebody who just wants a dead body by the end of the Day.

[Equinox]

Is seriously no one reading Equinox's attempt to get me lynched before BT as scum motivated especially given the discussion about what happens if both BT and I flip town, I mean the order doesn't really matter that much to me it's all the same I just dunno why it does to Equinox.

It matters to me because I have an actual scum read on you, not BT. BT I jumped on because the people I trusted -- kuribo and by extension his neighborhood -- insisted BT was scum, but, as I said previously, I thought BT seemed town, and I haven't had a chance to reread BT yet.

Also, while we're playing the "OMG LOOK AT EQUINOX BEING SCUM" game, anyone see him being mildly threatening about his claim? lololol (But seriously, don't look at that, go read his wagon analysis. And Plessiezarus's post. And mine. And Zdenek's. And maybe kuribo's but only because kuribo's posts are always fun to read.)

[Equinox]

Something just occurred to me, so a real quick post.

Unvote

That ends the Nostredeus wagon. Not that it had any hope in the first place, but maybe it's a good thing that it didn't. I can't examine things in detail until I get home, but make sure he's accountable for what he says today because that will be important the next Day.

I'll buckle down this afternoon and read and promise not to screw off, but, for the folks on the Nostredeus wagon, you should switch out, and don't let me be the deciding hammer because we all know how that's going to end.

[Equinox]

Why the mysterious warning about letting you have the hammer rather than just going ahead and vote BT? That whole post smells of hinting bullshit.

I am hinting, but you've got the wrong hint.

Look, say what you want, but I am not going to self-hammer if it comes down to that, and I'd rather not have things go that far.

[Equinox]

Fuck, I need to stop posting. If you see me here again, tell me to log off, as I'm supposed to be working.

The way I'm reading this post, it seems to imply that you're still have suspicions of his alignment/claim. Can you explain?

I do not. I am wondering if his reads are what's keeping him alive. There's a post somewhere in my iso that explains how I do NK analyses.

I wasn't following you.

Nostredeus is not getting lynched this Day. Move off the Nostredeus wagon, and choose either the BT or Equinox wagon. I won't officially have time for this game until this afternoon, and I would prefer it if the 2 on Nostredeus's wagon right now did not split themselves between those two wagons, as I will not be self-hammering.

But that's just me, etc.

OK, I am gone for reals now.

[Equinox]

All right, I've got a few minutes to clarify what has been crossing my mind.

I'm not jumping on the counterwagon right away because I lean town on BT for reasons I've already covered, and I haven't had a chance to review BT's play more fully or review the cases that have been put forth against BT. I want to do that. I want to make sure I believe BT is scum because if I still think BT is town after reading, I'm not going to vote BT.

That's all there is.

[Equinox]

The way Nos is hardcore tying himself to you makes me think you were gonna flip town (he wasn't in danger of a lynch at the time, just suspected). I'd go Eq right now. I didn't want to be a dick but he chose to stay and not let TML take the rope. Or I coulda been drunk and just hoped Faraday would let something like that happen even after Eq got the role PM.

By the time you got around to voting, I'd already read enough pages to feel invested in the game, so there was no way that either of us could have gotten away with pretending I never replaced in.

And yet you say you only "think" he's town...

(Your options at this point are "Zdenek is town" or "the scum team is Benmage, Plessiezarus and Zdenek, and they are all utter morons who will be found out tomorrow". You should be a lot more confident in Zdenek as town than merely "thinking" he is.)

Go back to my posts and read them in sequence, and you'll see why I inserted "I think he is town" in that line:

1) I said I wanted to do some NK analysis to examine why Shadoweh and sottyrulez were targeted specifically, and I added that I also wanted to examine kuribo, Shaft, and Zdenek, as well.
2) Cerulean asked me if I suspected those people.
3) I explained in a long-ish paragraph that I examined not only the dead but also the living for NK analysis.
4) Nostredeus misread and thought I suspected Zdenek, and he asked me about that.
5) In the post you pointed out, I reiterate what I said to Cerulean while making it clear that I did not suspect Zdenek and in fact thought him to be town.

You're not going to vote BT unless you're "sure" he's scum, even if that means you risk getting yourself lynched? Ugh. (Also, I think you were supposed to be working...)

Because if I lynch BT and he ends up flipping town, guess who dies tomorrow? A wise man once told me to never call a case against me "good" because the case had to be wrong, but this is one of the cases where I will have to admit the "fishing for a QuickTopic" case to be a good one. Hell, if I didn't know The Mini-Librarian's alignment, I'd have lynched him, too. I came across the post a couple of nights ago... or was it last night? Doesn't matter.

Basically, what I'm trying to say is that I'm treating this like any other situation: Read the suspect, find out if said suspect is scum, and then decide whether or not to vote. If I read and find out that BT is scum, I'll vote and be as loud as need be to make sure he loses his head before I do. If I read and stay with my initial thoughts of BT, then, well, too bad, I tried.

Also, good luck on your dissertations, Cerulean and Nostredeus.

Time to read, I guess.

Preview edit:

Has Equinox claimed already? Don't want anybody to hammer without a claim.

No, I have not.

[Equinox]

My guess is if you had anything worth claiming you'd have done it already and this is just a stalling tactic.

Seeing how I haven't gotten all EXCITED over claiming, yeah, I don't have anything special. Also, I am stalling because I didn't want to get hammered and then thread-locked while reading, which would suck.

But, hey, since I'm responding to you, I might as well.

Avon Barksdale, 1-shot kill proof.

I'd have noted the delicious irony except I'm no longer claiming to Benmage.

While I'm here claiming, not sure how relevant this is now given that the setup speculation re: number of scum occurred a long while ago, but there's probably an Omar running around because he's mentioned, but then again so were the East Side and so far their presence hasn't been apparent, so they might not be here at all.

Gonna read for the next century or so, then.

[Equinox]

Equinox - Flavor please, especially why you're 1-shot kill proof. Thnx.

I scoff at cops. I haven't harmed anyone who didn't deserve it. I'm sort of angry because I'm juggling police, Omar, my own guys being wusses, and East Side. I'll be fine, though, because I've got money and I've got connections, and people remember me.

I'm also a kingpin.

[Equinox]

*whimper* even (I can't spell)

Please don't tell me you're having cold feet.

I mean, if you have cold feet because I'm being super town here or something, then that'd be rad, but if it's because of the claim then don't forget that this is a Faraday game and also don't forget that there's a wandering gun that isn't police-aligned.

...why am I even saying all this.

[Equinox]

But speaking of Equinox, since you mention a non-police-aligned wandering gun, would you expect there to be a member of the scum team that's bp?

Sounds reasonable from a balance standpoint. I think I've seen bulletproofs of town and scum alignment in a Large once upon a time, so it's not like it's never been done before, but I don't know if it's something Faraday would do.

[Equinox]

Fun fact: jasonT1981 made 46 posts on Day 1, 44 posts on Day 2, and... 6 posts on Day 3. I mean, he's probably town, but holy shit.

Okay, so I might be back later tonight except I'm a bit more likely to just fall asleep phone in hand, so don't be surprised if I don't.

DeasVail is probably town based on reading his iso and then thinking spontaneously that he didn't feel like he did in Mafia in La-La Land, so that's a good sign and that's one off the list.

Pretty sure ChannelDelibird is town now. Same read as before but for a different reason, but either way he's not it, since habitual lurking as scum is hard to change, especially if it's a 7-year-old habit. Also what camn said?

I don't remember if I said this, but keep an eye on Nostredeus. He says he expects heat for pushing my wagon; make sure he gets it, please. I'm actually not sure if he's scum and I'm getting waffly because on the one hand he looks like scum but on the other he's... explainable, but I'm sure that he will make more sense tomorrow once he faces an actual result and consequence of a stance he's taken and explained. That didn't make sense, did it? Whatever, just pressure him.

...geez, I've been reading for 4 hours and that's all I've got. This is embarrassing.

Fuck sleeping. I'm going to finish what I promised to do. If I take too long though then assume I'm asleep and will likely not be able to post significance until the next afternoon, which is probably too long.

[Equinox]

Plessiezarus, it's quite reasonable to use main characters as safe claims. Someone here mentioned Cersei as a safe claim before. As for your question, it's a habit of mine. Been told it's bad, still do it anyway.

ChannelDelibird, I know you're pumped for this lynch, but the more you gloat, the more you will swallow~

I actually don't have scum reads. :S

And now that sleep has happened, I will go rectify that.

[Equinox]

Equinox, what changed between this post and your current stance in regards to my lynch?

I had a town read of you after reading the end of Day 2. When I saw DeasVail and kuribo post cases, I started having doubts, but I kept going back to Vifam's behavior and yours, and then when Cerulean added their case to the mix, that was 3 people who I trust in general and I decided to sheep them. A wild Nostredeus appears. After that, I started having doubts again and decided I'd better read you properly except that's been going on now for 3 days, even if the stance seems like a new one.

Hey its Friday. Isn't it time for Jason to post "lets Lynch Kuribo and also I'm VLA the weekend."

He's wagoning me now, isn't he? Might not be you this time whose head he wishes to have.

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EBWOP: This time.

Though it'd be nice if jasonT1981 would realize that kuribo can't be scum and give up on that.

It'd be even nicer if he didn't claim the title of laziest player in the game.

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BT, do you have any scum games? (I seem to remember not finding one last night.)

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Not on this site. This one was recent but fairly short, not to mention I subbed out halfway. This was recent-ish. These two, a bit less. (I was Soga / Tojiko, now Den-O in that one game.)

OK, thanks.

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Bah, registration wall.

BT, could you tell me a bit about how you play scum?

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It's almost like you've never seen me do that before, though to be fair that was 2 years ago.

My head's swimming right now, so hammer whenever. I'll keep reading and will post if I have anything if thread is not locked, but I don't have anything else to add right now that so far BT doesn't look all that different from the town games he has played here, but I'm not entirely sure if I can read him because I may be biased in favor of his playstyle.

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The word "besides" is missing in that post, so if something doesn't make sense, that's probably why.

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...so, uh, I'm a numbskull and probably one of the bigger ones on the site. I just realized that I'd been assuming for 24 hours that sottyrulez had been vigged, which they weren't, which means that I'd jumped off Nostredeus due to a false assumption.

Ahahaha. At least I can take solace in the fact that I'm getting lynched for playing poorly, which is partly true at the very least. Wish I could say I'd do more reading in light of this realization and reevaluate where I've been, but I actually won't be here to do that before Benmage hammers.

Considering what Cerulean just said, I'm going back on what I said about not voting my counterwagon.

Vote: BT

In case I'm not here to say this: Good luck. Sorry for being a useless sack of shit.

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Congratulations on your engagement, Benmage!

Thanks for modding, Faraday. Still think lynchers can die in a fire, but 'twas fun.