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Post Post #28 (isolation #0) » Wed Jan 23, 2013 9:41 am

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CDB, why did you change your vote?

Also, guys!

I'm town here. Everything's ok! :)
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Post Post #33 (isolation #1) » Wed Jan 23, 2013 10:08 am

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ChannelDelibird wrote:Petapan's vote drew my attention to absta's #8, which is more likely to be a scum post than a detached vote for nobody in particular.

Really?
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Post Post #67 (isolation #2) » Wed Jan 23, 2013 12:50 pm

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Vote: CDB
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Post Post #83 (isolation #3) » Wed Jan 23, 2013 2:46 pm

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Unvote


More later.

Maybe.
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Post Post #183 (isolation #4) » Thu Jan 24, 2013 10:47 am

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Hmm, I've got a fair few townreads, but still unsure as to scumreads. I don't really have much of an opinion on Shadoweh either way yet either.

Jason? MacStab maybe?

I'll think more on it a bit later.
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Post Post #186 (isolation #5) » Thu Jan 24, 2013 10:53 am

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Eh, I'll go for it.

Vote: McStab


Him talking about lynching Nost and talking about who is scum if Nost flips scum is pretty premature. It's really early in the game, and I don't believe that he can be very certain of a Nost scumread from his posts so far. So, it feels more like scum trying to make their scumread sound more genuine, but well, not really succeeding at it.

PEdit: I'll expand on townreads if people feel that it would help with their read on the player in question. Or even if someone just really feels that my explanation for a townread would be the key to determining my alignment. I realise that I haven't said who I townread yet though.
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Post Post #188 (isolation #6) » Thu Jan 24, 2013 11:03 am

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That would make my reads boring though.
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Post Post #191 (isolation #7) » Thu Jan 24, 2013 11:10 am

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I guess it's in some ways about jumping to conclusions, but the main thing is talking about lynching people before he has much good reason to actually think they should be lynched.
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Post Post #195 (isolation #8) » Thu Jan 24, 2013 12:39 pm

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I'm not saying he's definite scum or anything, but I haven't really found much else to push on and this seems like a decent thing to me. I'd ask you for suggestions but you're voting for me, so...

Also, not particularly fond of much that's been brought up yet, although I might be later. I don't know.
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Post Post #200 (isolation #9) » Thu Jan 24, 2013 12:57 pm

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Vifam wrote:DeasVail seems like one of those players who are always fake no matter what

Sometimes I'm not.

I admit that I feel I'm kind of forcing it here, but when I actually have a proper scumread I'll get back to you.
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Post Post #250 (isolation #10) » Thu Jan 24, 2013 7:29 pm

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Cerulean wrote:Are Jason and mcstab your town reads or your scum reads? If scum, you should vote Jason.

Scumreads.

And I may. I'm going to sort out my reads properly tonight.
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Post Post #251 (isolation #11) » Thu Jan 24, 2013 9:43 pm

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You all get to have pretty colours!

Note that some of the townreads are really weak.

Town


Cerulean
Benmage
Camn
Ser Arthur Dayne
TML
Shadoweh
Nostredeus
ChannelDelibird


TBD


Plessiezarus-
I'm not sure I really get the hate on them. I actually like the first post, but they could easily be scum so far.
Sottyrulez

TheGreatestAmericanHero

Absta-
A lot of is really unnecessary though.
SafetyDance

Vifam

Petapan

Baby Spice


Maybe Scum


JasonT1981-
I found myself kind of agreeing to things people said about him. Also reading through, I don't like his long post where he quotes and comments on things that aren't even that important. Also, his question to Vifam in is pretty bad. It's a pretty weak read though and I don't think I've ever played with Jason-town.
McStab-
Yeah yeah whatever, but I stand by what I said. I'm not saying you have to sheep me (yet).

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Plessiez, why has Zar had time to give you his opinions on a number of things, but not to post?

Benmage, why did you give away that you don't like early cutesy behaviour at the time when you'd most expect it from scum?

Unvote: McStab

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Post Post #320 (isolation #12) » Fri Jan 25, 2013 11:14 am

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The only thing I could say about Plessiezarus that's possibly scummy is he could be trying too hard to be chatty. This is not valid if he's always like that though.

SAD, regarding why is it so hilarious that people townread you? If you
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: I think it's scummy that McStab doesn't comment on the Nostredeus townreads/seems uninterested in the reasoning behind them. The whole scumteam thing is townish though and I'm not sure about the setup spec.

Regarding the townreads, I'm just reading through and not going back over posts, so you're just getting quick explanations. (Also they are in no particular order, and I felt the need to say that some were weak because well they are)

Camn- Hasn't played mafia (to my knowledge) in a while. Feels more genuine and natural than I'd expect from her as scum.

SAD- There's less motivation for mafia to roleplay and keep it up, although the townread is much weakened by 268.

TML- His reminder to himself to meta someone felt like something town would do. Other than that, gut.

Shadoweh- Feels like town. There was probably something specific, but I've forgotten. I'll go into further detail if someone asks or if she's in danger of lynch.

Nostredeus- Bringing up the nameclaim thing in the first place was pretty townish. His responses to things have felt like town too.

CDB- Part of this is made easier by the fact that last time I saw him as scum he basically powerlurked, but his arguments seem like genuine scumhunting to me, and when he says things like 'DeasVail looks like scum', there is a lack of effort to look town there, and it's more likely someone just saying thoughts as they come to them--> more likely town.

Ok, I probably will expand on them later, but running out of time now, so I'll finish reading.

Eh, I'm not really finished the last page, but I have to go so more later. Also SafetyDance my end up being a scumread.
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Post Post #349 (isolation #13) » Fri Jan 25, 2013 12:25 pm

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Ser Arthur Dayne wrote:If you're gonna put me as town, it better be for a damn good reason.

See this attitude is something I find much more likely from scum trying to be cool and all than town.
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Post Post #375 (isolation #14) » Fri Jan 25, 2013 3:40 pm

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Safety Dance and SAD are new scumreads. The SAD one is a bit weak though.
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Post Post #379 (isolation #15) » Fri Jan 25, 2013 4:24 pm

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Unvote: Jason

Vote: SafetyDance
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Post Post #414 (isolation #16) » Sat Jan 26, 2013 10:32 am

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Cerulean wrote:I don't know dude, I thought Safety's first two posts were really bad but I just read his recent posting and I'm getting the same vibes I got from Nostedeus - basically, that he's just incompetent and not really scummy. I don't think him trying to push a policy-type lynch on Arthur and justifying it is really that bad given his inexperience and how much negative attention he drew from it earlier. Plus, I thought the way he lashed out at TML in #304 with the whole "don't pigeonhole me" type stuff was pretty genuine and townish. I haven't talked to Tammy about him yet though (I think she might still be scumreading him?) and I do agree that he does need to involve himself a little more in scumhunting than self-defense at this stage.

P.S.: Answer this pls (though change the Vifam question to "Why do you think Vifam might be scum?")

But is he pushing a policy lynch, or is it just a pressure vote, different posts seem to indicate one or the other, and this makes it seem more like scum scrambling to explain their vote under pressure than town who would obviously have a reason for voting for him.

Also, I'm not a fan of McStab either.
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Post Post #483 (isolation #17) » Mon Jan 28, 2013 12:01 am

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Regarding SafetyDance:

I didn't think his vote for SAD originally was that big a deal, but after failing to achieve the intended goal (I think?) of getting SAD to stop roleplaying, and getting negative attention for his vote, he doesn't unvote for the longest time. The pressure vote has become useless, everyone's telling you to stop. Why not just move on if he doesn't actually want to lynch him? Because he's scum that doesn't want to be seen as backtracking under pressure? Possibly.

There's also the fact that there was content beneath SAD's roleplaying, and the first reasonably sized paragraph in talks about SAD being a problem in later days, which I really feel is just scum trying too hard to justify their vote, and the whole thing about it being brought up as a 'reason' later I don't really understand. I think this would only be a problem from the PoV of scum? However, I'm not sure I understand completely.

As I'm typing this though, I'm getting the niggling feeling that I'm actually attacking a town player, and in the same post you have the following two quotes:


SafetyDance wrote:Oh, and whoever it was that claimed its scummy because of jumping on someone who already had a vote? Damn, you're going to have you work cut out with all that scummy play every time someone gets more than two votes.

[...]

I value observing and reading as much as I do typing. In a large game, with a lot of unfamiliar names, with limited time at the moment, with egos walling each other, yeah I'm not going to bring up anything unless it really sticks out.

And I'm not sure whether such an obvious inconsistency would even come from scum.

So if anyone thinks they have a good reason for SafetyDance being town, I'd like to hear it.

~~

Now, onto McStab:

His Nostredeus opinion is unpopular enough that I think he'd at least want to consider the townreads on him and put more effort into working his alignment out, but there is really no attempt shown in his ISO and his Nostredeus read just feels as if it's always going to be there no matter what. So, basically, I don't think it's town scumhunting. I think this is from scum.

There would be the possibility of him being so sure of his read that he chooses as town not to pay much attention to conflicting opinions or future Nostredeus posts (and to be fair this is backed up by the desire to lynch that I thought was overeager), but he's not voting for Nostredeus (and I may be generalising here, but I think the kind of player that's willing to compromise would be the kind of player to also reconsider their reads and compromising probably doesn't indicate a great deal of confidence in the first place) and there's also no real appeal at all to the town to read Nostredeus as scum.

As I'm typing this I'm feeling better about McStab than SafetyDance, so:

Unvote: SafetyDance

Vote: McStab


~~

American Hero: Why do you think sotty would defend their buddy Jason so hard?

BT: Why hasn't sotty's confidence in Jason town affected your read of him?
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Post Post #513 (isolation #18) » Mon Jan 28, 2013 11:04 am

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SD, your post doesn't really address why you didn't unvote, which is really the main problem.

Also, CDB, the inconsistency was that he makes an insignificant comment about a player he doesn't know the name of, and then later in the post says he'll only bring something up if it really sticks out, as he doesn't want to wall or whatever. This attitude does not really fit with the comment I mentioned, but I don't think this inconsistency is particularly scummy. Maybe it's something scum would be more likely to avoid. I'm not really sure.
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Post Post #548 (isolation #19) » Mon Jan 28, 2013 10:14 pm

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Sotty, I don't really understand your problem unless you didn't read my post.

Benmage, what's your explanation for SD not unvoting? I am not making any assumptions, just considering possibilities.

I'm also not sure what you expect me to do after asking the questions.

I don't understand why SD is saying what he is in response to my in . I don't think I said anything about stubbornness or defending himself? Also why is he insisting there's no inconsistency? He makes a comment on someone who he doesn't even bother to work out the name of and then says later that he'll only say stuff that really sticks out. It couldn't have been that important if he didn't even bother to check the name of the person in question.

And the attack on lists? Um ok, you're really really really town for that? I get it? (I think that's less likely to be a natural development from town considering the effort involved in getting the quotes and more like scum wanting to do something town and deciding on it)

The lists are mostly for my own organisation anyway and people can ask about reads if they want, so I don't even get the problem.
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Post Post #560 (isolation #20) » Tue Jan 29, 2013 10:02 am

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SD: Sorry about misunderstanding the first part of your post. So was it being stubborn, or being busy defending yourself?
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Post Post #564 (isolation #21) » Tue Jan 29, 2013 4:59 pm

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Good luck with the RL stuff!
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Post Post #574 (isolation #22) » Tue Jan 29, 2013 8:42 pm

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If Zar likes being scum though (and hasn't been scum/played in a while) wouldn't he be more eager about things?

My thoughts on Pless are pretty limited right now. It's basically that Pless is possibly trying too hard to be chatty. Sometimes his posts take on a kind of conversational(?) style that I think could be fake. Other than that... I nothing much either way, but I don't find them particularly scummy for now.
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Post Post #577 (isolation #23) » Wed Jan 30, 2013 12:36 am

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Plessie, I'm going to be blunt here. Although I will probably get around to it, I am very likely to put off reading quote walls.

Is this a problem to you?
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Post Post #631 (isolation #24) » Wed Jan 30, 2013 11:48 pm

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Pless, I don't mind walls that much, but I just personally tend not to like lots of quotes with text in between all of them. It's my problem, and if other people don't mind them, then feel free to continue.
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Post Post #682 (isolation #25) » Thu Jan 31, 2013 9:46 am

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@Shadoweh/Anyone else: Does ActionDan not like being scum?
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Post Post #706 (isolation #26) » Thu Jan 31, 2013 10:39 pm

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Shadoweh, what do you think of ActionDan?

Zdenek has been pretty meh since replacing in. I don't think he's been particularly scummy, but I could pretty easily see him as scum still, so not much has really changed there.

ActionDan I can see the reasoning for, but I'm not that convinced yet. He's someone I could lean either way on.

I can't really read Absta. When Absta is town I think he's scum. When Absta is scum, I think he's scum for half the game, then think he's town. I don't know what to do there, sorry. He's scummy here to me, but I have no idea what that means.

TGAH can be a scumread too.

I feel I haven't really been very involved or proactive in getting my reads sorted this game and I apologise for that. Over the next few days, I'll put more effort into reading people, but my reads as they stand are pretty likely close to what they'll actually end up being.
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Post Post #708 (isolation #27) » Thu Jan 31, 2013 11:27 pm

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A reread of McStab pretty much cements my scumread of the slot.
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Post Post #710 (isolation #28) » Fri Feb 01, 2013 1:02 am

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I don't know, it's complicated for me.

So far, my reads are based on what other people have said as well as what I consider to be my own shallow interpretation of posts. I want to be able to consider people's posts more closely and look at motivations more deeply than I have, but I think most of my reads will be similar. It's probably more about increasing confidence in my reads, but there could be the odd one that changes when I consider something I hadn't previously.
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Post Post #764 (isolation #29) » Fri Feb 01, 2013 11:06 am

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Zdenek, the part about McStab being too sure of Nost-scum is a very small part of my read and was mostly only something to start off with before getting a better read later. I will say everything I think of McStab.

First there is the thing you mentioned. His attack on Nost is really weak in my opinion, and I have a hard time believing that anyone would think it was really strong reasoning. However, from this he seems eager to lynch Nostredeus and suggest lynches if Nost is scum (which he knows won't happen because Nost is town, at least I think so).

Next, there is the fact that he doesn't seem at all interested in changing/improving his Nostredeus read. He appears to pay no attention to the many people calling his suspicion of Nostredeus bad and townreading Nostredeus. Nothing in his posts is evident of reading Nostredeus' posts and actually trying to make sure his previous scumread is correct.

The above is all slightly scummy to me, but is also consistent with town who are sure of their reads and don't back down. So, him changing his vote from Nostredeus to SafetyDance for the more viable wagon instead of making much attempt to gather more Nostredeus supporters (there's no sign that he even wants them) and it's not near deadline at that point either, so this is inconsistent with his earlier 'certainty' that Nostredeus is scum and his lack of concern for the townreads.

I found myself agreeing with what others said regarding McStab. Nothing else I considered really strong, but they were little things that contribute to the read.

Also, I'm explaining this read the most, because he's currently the one I want lynched. There is no real need to explain the others so much.

Oh, I almost forgot to say, but the TGAH read was mostly based on Plessie's post about him with my own not very positive impression of him contributing slightly.

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Regarding wagons:

I don't want to lynch Jason for now because of Sotty's townread.
Zdenek is my preferred at the moment.
I would also consider TGAH/ActionDan
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Post Post #892 (isolation #30) » Sat Feb 02, 2013 10:32 am

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I disagree that the way Dan claimed was necessarily townish, as he could easily have known that the roles were completely different going into the claim and thus known that it wouldn't come down to a 1v1. However, I am thinking of going with TGAH over Dan today.

Also, scum have daytalk. I can guarantee it.

I think there may have been something else I wanted to comment on that I've forgotten. I'll go back and see.
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Post Post #893 (isolation #31) » Sat Feb 02, 2013 10:33 am

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oh.

Unvote

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Post Post #896 (isolation #32) » Sat Feb 02, 2013 11:18 am

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DeasVail wrote:I'm town here. Everything's ok!
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Post Post #912 (isolation #33) » Sat Feb 02, 2013 3:26 pm

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absta101 wrote:Quick reply:
@Cerullen - I obviously know what a fucking FOS is, I was asking what McStab was suspicious for.
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What's the case on TGAH?

Dan's CC reads town from gut.

Ben
DV
Cerullen

These are good targets.

I thought I was town. :cry:
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Post Post #913 (isolation #34) » Sat Feb 02, 2013 3:27 pm

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Oh if you were talking about the friendly neighbour thingy then that's ok.
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Post Post #941 (isolation #35) » Sun Feb 03, 2013 11:08 pm

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I'm here and happy with the TGAH wagon.
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Post Post #972 (isolation #36) » Tue Feb 05, 2013 12:37 am

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Main concern is that there's not really much effort at all to look town there. Thoughts?

I previously was like, "yeah, they're scum" when they took so long to actually make a post. I would kind of expect some sort of objection to their lynch, some sort of snarky comment somewhere, something, so in a way the above post seems too "clean"? And it's not very much considering how long it took to make it.

I'm sorry I tend to get all wishy-washy and indecisive when someone's about to be lynched. I think overall they're still leaning scum, but what are other people's thoughts?
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Post Post #1048 (isolation #37) » Thu Feb 07, 2013 5:16 pm

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Cerulean wrote:*doenst feel the Ned to actually prove role*

Unless you don't actually think he's a nighborizer, which would be a pretty stupid thing to claim if you weren't one, I don't see what this has to do with anything.
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Post Post #1049 (isolation #38) » Thu Feb 07, 2013 5:19 pm

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Oh yeah.

/confirms

I missed that post.
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Post Post #1057 (isolation #39) » Thu Feb 07, 2013 5:46 pm

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So Dan doesn't want to know what my role is. What's up with that?
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Post Post #1059 (isolation #40) » Thu Feb 07, 2013 5:50 pm

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Fair enough.
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Post Post #1081 (isolation #41) » Fri Feb 08, 2013 12:03 am

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I am leaning towards Dan-town. I'll post my reasons later.

Also, I'm still in the process of reconsidering things, as I have too many townreads. If I had to pull out three scumreads right now, I'd probably say Kise, SAD, SafetyDance? but I really want to look at my weak townreads again + consider the flips.
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Post Post #1120 (isolation #42) » Fri Feb 08, 2013 10:16 am

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Kuribo! :D
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Post Post #1122 (isolation #43) » Fri Feb 08, 2013 10:39 am

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Oh, by the way, now that Dan has replaced out:

In the QT, after he had asked to replace out in thread, ActionDan made a post saying that because of what I said in the QT, he had come to think I was town (not exact wording, but you get the idea) and that he thought it would've been nice to continue talking, but that he couldn't handle camn and cerulean.

The latter part is possibly from scum, but I think the first part is unnecessary,. REally rushed as I've really got to go now, so more later on other people.
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Post Post #1145 (isolation #44) » Sat Feb 09, 2013 11:50 pm

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Nostredeus wrote:
Plessiezarus wrote:
Nostredeus wrote:I'm really not seeing how ActionDan wanting to keep the neighbour secret is scummy

It seemed more ... needlessly stubborn than anything else, really. Kind of pointless to do as any alignment. But what do you think about his choice of target?

~ Pless


I can see some logic in it, in so far as DV leaned town on TGAH at the end of D1 so TGAH's flip would have allowed AD to tailor his approach in the neighbourhood based on that but I wouldn't give AD credit for thinking like that instead it looks like AD wanted a scum read in the neighbourhood to question.

I still leaned scum on him.

~~

I am thinking SAD-scum here, but first I want to ask to those familiar with his meta:

Are his big posts here (such as the one/s analysing interactions with dead scum) unlike how he plays as scum?

SafetyDance, why haven't you been more interested in showing people why they're wrong about ActionDan/Kuribo?

Regarding CDB, I did have a weak townread on him, and am not entirely comfortable calling him scum. First, although he's not the
most
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The main thing for me is . I know everyone loves the coaching scumtell, but I'm pretty sure scum know this too, so I'm leaning towards thinking that scum would avoid a post such as Absta's, which is actually something I could see town saying.

I do admit the ignoring each other point could mean something, but considering how weak CDB's suspicion of Absta was, I don't think it's particularly surprising that he didn't follow it up.

I'll think more about it.

Kise slot is null. BT is null with maybe a hint of town.

Safety is still possibly scummy, but I'll have to go over that at some point.
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Post Post #1160 (isolation #45) » Sun Feb 10, 2013 11:03 pm

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Oh, I'm not, but if you're the type of player just to not try as scum, then I want to know.
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Post Post #1245 (isolation #46) » Mon Feb 11, 2013 9:36 pm

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kuribo wrote:Oh, and since Deas never answered me:

The Neighborhood has daytalk. Are we assuming scum have daytalk too?

(this is important when re-reading)

I did. D:

Also, I'll catch up on today's posts now.
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Post Post #1246 (isolation #47) » Mon Feb 11, 2013 10:12 pm

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@Jason: From memory there seem to be a few people with SAD as a scumread, so I'm not sure why you dismiss him as not able to be lynched today.

@Kuribo (in response to ):

I was interested in seeing how he would react to it. (I think it's an awkward question for scum to respond to). I was considering claiming, but I was probably not likely to actually end up doing it without more of a townread on his slot. Sure, I would have felt pretty crappy going all "Well I'm not going to! Sucks to be you!" but I thought the possible (albeit small) benefits outweighed the consequences. (And I would've been a lot nicer about it too)

To the second, I do get pretty frustrated by people thinking I'm scum when I'm town (and honestly when I'm scum too), and I was a bit mean I guess in a way calling him out on not wanting to know my role when he had a good reason not to want to know it.

Why did you ask those questions in here instead of the QT? (Especially considering the nature of the first one)

TML, you're both saying that SAD is town because scum knew there was a traitor and that Sotty could be scum because scum didn't know there was a traitor. :?

I'm sorry about not getting to this sooner, but some days I'll be gone from 6-7am to 6-7pm my time with Uni on again (and I don't always get time to post in the mornings either) so sometimes I won't be able to respond for a while.
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Post Post #1344 (isolation #48) » Tue Feb 12, 2013 11:23 am

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My previous Benmage townread was mostly sheeping other people, so I'll have a closer look at him. CDB is not a strong townread, but not someone I really want to lynch right now. Same goes for Kuribo.

I'm closest to voting SAD at the moment.
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Post Post #1384 (isolation #49) » Wed Feb 13, 2013 12:27 am

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Just letting you all know I won't be able to post for a while (probably nearly 24 hours) and I've skimmed through the posts since my last, but am not properly caught up.
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Post Post #1451 (isolation #50) » Wed Feb 13, 2013 11:10 pm

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BT's says that the thread points pretty strongly to kuribo-scum, but all he really says is "his macho doesn't seem town-fueled". You don't get to go all "ew 1v1 lynch" and then talk about how you just can't decide between Kuribo and Sotty, because Kuribo is
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Um, with Kuribo being an actual wagon and all, I don't know how much of it is based on ActionDan neighbourizing me (if any at all), but one of the reasons he gave in the QT when I asked him the same question (before you guys did) was that he thought I was a PR because he felt like I was hanging back. I also think the way he said that he thought I was town in the QT after he decided to replace out is something that scum probably wouldn't think to do. Like, how does it benefit them. Kuribo maybe seems kind of town from his posts, but I'm not so sure on that one.

Reads will be properly updated this weekend, but at the moment:

Kuribo- Weak town. Some of his play I think could come from scum (I don't like him thinking that Pless's post gives information on the scumteam), but I have reasons to think the slot is town.

CDB- Weaker town. I agree that ignoring Absta is slightly incriminating and he's not that town, but I don't think he's been that scummy, and the post addressed to Absta is weird from a scumbuddy in my opinion.

SAD- I still think he could be scum. Main thing that comes to mind is his weird reaction to being called town on Day 1. Another weird thing is that Absta calls people town for suspecting SAD for that reason but as far as I can remember doesn't really care too much about SAD, so maybe scumpoints there. His comments about Absta beginning of Day 2 are just strange as either alignment so I don't know how to interpret those.

Kise- Eh.

I'll probably make a decision as to what I want to do and read over some people like BT and Nost, maybe Sotty this weekend.
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Post Post #1540 (isolation #51) » Thu Feb 14, 2013 7:16 pm

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Cerulean wrote:
DeasVail wrote:BT's

Um, with Kuribo being an actual wagon and all, I don't know how much of it is based on ActionDan neighbourizing me (if any at all), but one of the reasons he gave in the QT when I asked him the same question (before you guys did) was that he thought I was a PR because he felt like I was hanging back. I also think the way he said that he thought I was town in the QT after he decided to replace out is something that scum probably wouldn't think to do. Like, how does it benefit them. Kuribo maybe seems kind of town from his posts, but I'm not so sure on that one.

Reads will be properly updated this weekend, but at the moment:

Kuribo- Weak town. Some of his play I think could come from scum (I don't like him thinking that Pless's post gives information on the scumteam), but I have reasons to think the slot is town.



See this doesn't make sense, then again not a whole lot of dans behavior made sense. You say he said he neighborized you because he thought you were a pr, which would imply he already had a town read on you but in you say he said he had come to have a town read on you based on things said in the neighborhood. Now unfortunately Dan decided to engage in needless posturing and then act like mr mcsissypants when it garnered him a negative reaction that he knew beforehand it would get him, so those of us who were trying to get a better read on the slot are left confused overall for why he chose to neighborize you.

You say you have reasons to think he's town, well if you actually do it would be nice for you to share them. Empire and I have spent far too much of the limited time we have to play discussing that slot as a whole. And kuribo's focus on his 1v1and set up spec instead of actually scumhunting isn't helping clear up that slot.

Sorry the reasons are what I said in that post. Also, he did leave open the possibility of me being scum when he said he thought I could be a PR, and this is something I could see influencing my own choice of neighbour target, which is why it seems ok to me.
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Post Post #1541 (isolation #52) » Thu Feb 14, 2013 7:39 pm

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@BT: Sorry, I've realised what I was saying was wrong. Why didn't you argue against my accusation that you didn't have any reasoning to suspect Kuribo? Also, I didn't ignore Absta, and I'm pretty sure that my comment on my experiences with him makes sense of my lack of suspicion/defence of him.

I don't get the problem with my thoughts on Kuribo's posts?

Can you summarise why you want to lynch me?

~~

Sorry Kuribo. I'd probably vote SAD, but I want to have a proper look at people. (This is most likely happening tonight, so get excited!)

First impression is that CDB feels more town.
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Post Post #1544 (isolation #53) » Thu Feb 14, 2013 7:56 pm

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Tammy wrote:deas....you're weirding me out.

What is it that's weirding you out?
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Post Post #1545 (isolation #54) » Thu Feb 14, 2013 10:02 pm

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Reading back over Nostredeus, I think my read has weakened, I think I kind of gave him a free pass after his appeal for a mass nameclaim (which I still think is townish), but I think there are scummy things too:

In he seems to stop voting for Shadoweh just because other people aren't voting for her anymore, and there's no mention of him sheeping other people as a reason to have a weaker scumread on Shadoweh either.

At the end of Day 1, he's just resigned to TGAH being lynched (makes sense from mafia thinking he's town and maybe even knowing TGAH is scum). He kind of doesn't agree with the TGAH lynch, but offers no alternative. He doesn't seem interested at all in lynching a scumread, and more concerned with deciding what his 'position' is on TGAH.

is an example of a post that feels genuine to me though.

Nostredeus, why aren't you pushing a Sotty lynch harder?

Overall, I still lean town on him, but the read is weaker than it was before.

~~

But the above isn't that important, because DV has made a decision!!!!!

The one that you should all lynch is:

Spoiler:
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So, there's . I know you're probably sick of me going on about this millions of times, but I really think it's scummy. When you look at why town would say that, you come up with all kinds of problems: Why do I need a good reason to think he's town if he's actually town? He says that finding him town for bad reasons is not a scumtell, so that can't be what he's getting at. I'm just left with a big ???

However, when you consider that scum could easily say it in an attempt to look town, then the most realistic option is that he's scum.

Um.... so yeah, there's not really anything else that I think is really scummy, except possibly that really weird reaction to the Absta death, but I don't know.

The thing is, one of the main reasons I've heard for SAD-town is him mentioning the possibility of a traitor, which, considering that scum may not have even known there was a traitor and that I don't think it's that daring even if they did, is not something I agree with.

However, I'm not really as confident about this is as I thought I was (and I sooo wanted to be for once! :( ), so I'm pretty open to people's townreads because he feels sort of town otherwise, but there's nothing that couldn't come from scum in my opinion.

I'd be ok voting Kise too I think.

And sorry, I'm probably weirding people out even more now.
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Post Post #1546 (isolation #55) » Thu Feb 14, 2013 10:03 pm

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Oh,

Vote: SAD
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Post Post #1548 (isolation #56) » Fri Feb 15, 2013 12:54 am

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The thing that gets me is that he was saying it to me, and I'm pretty sure at that time I was supposed to be one of those naive, stupid townies.

I don't know if trying to convince me of SAD-town is a great idea for you though. ;)
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Post Post #1580 (isolation #57) » Fri Feb 15, 2013 9:36 am

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Plessiez, do you think SAD is scum? If so, why? (I'm sorry if you've said this before. If so, just link to it)
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Post Post #1621 (isolation #58) » Fri Feb 15, 2013 11:47 pm

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Plessiezarus, vote SAD with me?

I know you kind of think I'm scum, but if I am, then joining a wagon with me as the only voter is something that scum probably wouldn't do, so you could be cleared!

I would like the Kuribo wagon to stop if possible though.

PEdit: Reading that post, I think he's trying too hard to address the points, when in some of the cases he doesn't really have anything to say (particularly the Shadoweh kill, but the whole post gives me that kind of vibe).
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Post Post #1624 (isolation #59) » Sat Feb 16, 2013 12:22 am

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I think it's scummy.
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Post Post #1633 (isolation #60) » Sat Feb 16, 2013 9:35 am

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Plessiezarus wrote:Heh. Making fun of Tammy is always amusing (and that is what we're doing here, right?), but ... given that you asked for other people's take on SAD in 1545, then asked us in particular to explain why we thought he was scum in 1580, we're a bit puzzled (or maybe just irritated) that this is the only thing you have to say in response to our answer in 1603.

(And we're kind of baffled that you claim to find 1614 scummy, too. That whole series of posts from Cerulean is exactly the sort of thing we'd expect from town!Tammy.)

I don't get the 'making fun of Tammy' part. :?

Well your reasoning makes me a little more confident in SAD being scum, which is the main thing I was looking for. I think you're town, so it wasn't anything to do with your alignment.

I don't find Cerulean's posts scummy (If I did, then yes there'd be a problem). It was BT's post I was talking about.
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Post Post #1635 (isolation #61) » Sat Feb 16, 2013 10:06 am

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Don't worry, I can understand the confusion. It was my fault for not being clear enough.
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Post Post #1701 (isolation #62) » Sun Feb 17, 2013 12:22 pm

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I haven't read recent posts properly (I will tonight), but I'd definitely be willing to move to Kise if need be.

Let's lynch SAD instead though?
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Post Post #1822 (isolation #63) » Mon Feb 18, 2013 11:27 pm

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Ok, I'm reading everything right now, but first, does anyone know anything about Baby Spice's alignment preferences?
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Post Post #1823 (isolation #64) » Mon Feb 18, 2013 11:49 pm

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I still think Kise is scummy despite the claim, but....

Anyway, over in BT-land:

BT wrote:
The Mini-Librarian wrote:Yo, Kise. Stop taking playing tips from Katsuki and get in here. You are lurking like a mofo and I don't like this.

Alternatively he can just replace out. I just went through his ISO and found virtually nothing telling. Baby Spice's ISO doesn't help.

It's 3 days to deadline, too, and SAD is V/LA. Like, I COULD support a Kise consolidation wagon simply because the slot is useless, but that means we gain no info at all from wagon analysis later. I think I'd rather he just replace out (or suddenly start reading everything) because right now
this
lynch is pretty suboptimal.

Gonna try reading SAD next.

TML, what's your reason for shying away from the kuribo wagon?

BT wrote:
Cerulean wrote:Hey kuribo, can I interest you in a Kise lynch? BT posturing around it by saying "well, I guess I could lynch him but I'm super fkin interested in an information lynch on D2 of a 70 page large theme with two scum flips" suggests they might be partners!

Oh for crying out loud, you know this interpretation is completely unneeded. The point is that I literally don't see anything coming from a kise slot lynch when it could possibly be readable in the future (kise shows up / replaces out), whereas the kuribo slot, even if you now think the lynch is suboptimal for reasons I can't comprehend, it will be a clusterfuck until it's dealt with AND it has connections pretty much everywhere. You said it earlier so I'm basically repeating -- the kuribo slot will be lynched sooner or later. Why lynch the kise slot now instead? Yeah, I don't know if they're actually scum or not, but it is a lynch that tells us absolutely nothing if they're not, and a lynch that COULD tell us something if the slot happened to post. It is a literal waste of a lynch and that's unrelated to any scumflips or information we have access to.

Try answering again: why are we not lynching the kuribo slot?

So, first the reason for not lynching Kise is lack of wagon analysis once he is lynched. (And I agree with Cerulean that this is scummy, but don't think it indicates buddies as much as BT-scum)

Next, it's totally about Kise's slot potentially being more readable and you don't even know why Cerulean would think it was the former.

Yeah....

I may get up other stuff I think of him later, but he's officially a scumread now. I don't know whether I'd prefer him or SAD if the Kise wagon falls apart, but I'll stay on SAD for now.
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Post Post #1864 (isolation #65) » Tue Feb 19, 2013 10:06 am

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BT, what is the Absta connection?

Also, one of my points I admitted was bad, but the others are fine in my opinion.

About the part that you were confused with, the point is that you originally said the information reason for not wanting to lynch Kise was wagon analysis. Then when Cerulean accuses you of using information as a reason in a game with so much information already, you say that you meant that more posts from Kise or a replacement would make the slot more readable, and you don't understand why Cerulean accused you of what he did.
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Post Post #1870 (isolation #66) » Tue Feb 19, 2013 10:34 am

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BT, I think the first part is ok, but I don't like the part about you and absta attacking Camn. I don't see why it was so important for me to comment on it?

Also, yes you said you'd like him to replace out in the first post, but the reason you provided was wagon analysis. Pretending that there is no reason to suspect you is something scum would do in an attempt to counter suspicion. I think town would be more apologetic for not saying what they actually meant.

Kise is kind of scummy, but considering that I also find you and SAD scummy, I am probably happy to pursue one of you today because of the claim.
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Post Post #2050 (isolation #67) » Wed Feb 20, 2013 10:53 am

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BT and SAD are both good votes to me, so I'm happy with either. :)
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Post Post #2067 (isolation #68) » Wed Feb 20, 2013 10:58 pm

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Kise wrote:He looks like a sneaky fox.

I'm not sneaky!
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Post Post #2118 (isolation #69) » Sat Feb 23, 2013 11:02 am

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BT wrote:DV, question that came up on rereads -- you never explained your ED1 vote on CDB for what seemed like his early vote on absta. It was super early in the game but still something I think the answer to will be helpful.

I think at the time I just thought it was a bad reason, but I don't think much of it now.
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Post Post #2145 (isolation #70) » Sun Feb 24, 2013 12:03 pm

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I don't have much time now, but I still might have a BT scumread. I'll explain later if I do.
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Post Post #2167 (isolation #71) » Tue Feb 26, 2013 1:45 am

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Urgh. Prod dodge. sorry.
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Post Post #2199 (isolation #72) » Wed Feb 27, 2013 12:17 am

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Where I'm at now is it's really looking like TML and BT will be my major scumreads. Proper reasoning will have to come a bit later though.
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Post Post #2232 (isolation #73) » Fri Mar 01, 2013 12:30 am

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Kind of waiting for a TML replacement I guess, but I'm afraid I still can't get thoughts up. Sorry :(
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Post Post #2260 (isolation #74) » Sat Mar 02, 2013 12:38 am

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Some quick stuff on why I think BT is scum:

-In I make an accusation against BT that is completely untrue. (This was unintentional by the way) Yet, in he doesn't have a problem with this. This is not how I would expect town to think. If town has reason to think X is scum, and I come in and say "You have no reason to think X is scum!", wouldn't the natural reaction be "Hey! I totes do!"? Instead you just get this placating stuff.

- is another that just feels designed to placate and as I said before, the focus is on addressing all the points. Some he doesn't really have anything to say, but he still says
something
.

- is a post of mine that explains another part of my suspicion of BT.

Admittedly it's not that strong, but with abundant townreads and a lack of scumreads that's pretty much how it has to be. I also don't really see any reason for him to be town, but if anyone would like to provide that for me clearly, that would be amazing.

Now, TML. I'm still not sure on him. The general reasoning is the kind of thing that sounds good, but I feel it could easily be something a player gets mislynched over. I'm kind of waiting to make up my mind on this slot, but people's willingness to lynch BT would be much appreciated.
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Post Post #2261 (isolation #75) » Sat Mar 02, 2013 12:38 am

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DeasVail wrote:but people's willingness to lynch BT would be much appreciated.

and by this I mean, how interested people are.
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Post Post #2277 (isolation #76) » Sat Mar 02, 2013 10:02 am

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Plessiezarus wrote:DV -- if BT is your top scum-read, why are you not voting him? Why do you have to know how interested people would be in a BT lynch first?

Um, I don't know. I don't think a vote at this point particularly matters and I'm not really sure I want to go against the Equinox wagon, but I suppose I may as well.

Vote: BT


And I don't know to that either. I would like to get people thinking about the possibility of a BT lynch though.
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Post Post #2283 (isolation #77) » Sat Mar 02, 2013 10:48 am

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Zdenek wrote:DV do you remember why you voted CDB way back in the game?

I think it was for not liking his semi-serious vote on UberNinja. I don't think much of it anymore though.
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Post Post #2338 (isolation #78) » Sun Mar 03, 2013 10:22 pm

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Posting that I still think BT is scum, and Equniox is a maybe. I haven't been able to read properly though.
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Post Post #2437 (isolation #79) » Tue Mar 05, 2013 1:28 am

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Probably
V/LA for 3 days
. I will still post probably, but tonight is an example of me not posting properly when I otherwise would have.
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Post Post #2438 (isolation #80) » Tue Mar 05, 2013 1:28 am

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The V/LA could be less as well.
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Post Post #2617 (isolation #81) » Fri Mar 08, 2013 12:44 am

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I'm back I guess.

I'm sort of caught up, but I did a bit of skimming so if there's something that needs my attention that I obviously don't know about, someone should just tell me.

Despite the claim drama, I kind of still want to lynch BT. He just feels like scum to me, and I agree with what others have said about him too. I'm ok with an Equinox lynch at this stage, but preferred is BT.
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Post Post #2710 (isolation #82) » Mon Mar 11, 2013 9:38 am

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I agree that the neighbourhood should claim last.
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Post Post #2736 (isolation #83) » Tue Mar 12, 2013 10:44 am

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I'm Wallace. Daytalk enabler and 1-shot Bodyguard.
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Post Post #2741 (isolation #84) » Tue Mar 12, 2013 1:33 pm

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I can't clear it up. Also, A town daytalk enabler is quite different from a scum encryptor?
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Post Post #2743 (isolation #85) » Tue Mar 12, 2013 1:55 pm

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camn wrote:what if it works for both the neighborhood AND the scum?

It does.
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Post Post #2746 (isolation #86) » Tue Mar 12, 2013 2:21 pm

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camn wrote:
DeasVail wrote:
camn wrote:what if it works for both the neighborhood AND the scum?

It does.

As in, when you die the scum no longer daytalk?

Yes.

(Pleas don't kill me)
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Post Post #2760 (isolation #87) » Wed Mar 13, 2013 12:30 am

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Plessiez, why would I need to make this role up as scum? I think my hints at knowing scum have daytalk indicate that I planned to claim it all along, which is just weird on Day 1 or 2 or whatever it was.
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Post Post #2761 (isolation #88) » Wed Mar 13, 2013 12:31 am

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And hey, I thought I'd just add 1-Shot Bodyguard as a test to see how ridiculous a claim I could make people believe?
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Post Post #2763 (isolation #89) » Wed Mar 13, 2013 8:41 am

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And another thing, I'm always really wishy-washy about everything, so to actually say something outright like that probably means something?

And yes, with me being alive, anyone that can talk in a QT can do so at all times.
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Post Post #2766 (isolation #90) » Wed Mar 13, 2013 10:56 am

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For clarification, scum only have daytalk if they have a QT.
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Post Post #2767 (isolation #91) » Wed Mar 13, 2013 10:57 am

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Well I guess they could even if they don't, but if they have a QT, they have daytalk.
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Post Post #2780 (isolation #92) » Thu Mar 14, 2013 12:11 am

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Shaft wrote:Dang it

Sorry for triple post. @DV, does your role PM mention quicktopics?

Yeah.
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Post Post #2781 (isolation #93) » Thu Mar 14, 2013 12:12 am

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Oh and I said this in the QT, but I'm thinking of lynching between Benmage/Jason/Shaft at the moment.
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Post Post #2786 (isolation #94) » Thu Mar 14, 2013 4:52 pm

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Rat is what the day talk enabling part is called, and the bodyguard part is Don't die, Wallace.
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Post Post #2818 (isolation #95) » Sun Mar 17, 2013 12:11 am

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Ok, where my thoughts are at:

At least tentatively, the town are Cerulean, Plessiez, Camn, Kuribo, CDB

I have a problem with CDB's recent suspicion of me. I'm pretty sure someone has mentioned it before, but how he went about suspecting me after my claim, and then continuing to do so after my explanation was weird.

I would be really happy to call Jason scum, but I keep going back to TGAH's vote which does seem weird. It's not like he could have felt as if he needed to bus Jason there, so it must have been deliberate, but to do so as just a one-liner post when it's actually part of a bussing plan just doesn't seem right to me at the moment.

And Kise I want to accept as the expensive doctor role thing for now.

Maybe I have a townread or two wrong, I don't know, but I feel like I've been sheeping people on Benmage-town, and it's getting to the point where maybe he's not, and although I don't feel like he's scum here, I'm going to

Vote: Benmage


I may read over him properly to see if I can find anything, but I don't have the time now, and I actually want to do something as opposed to the sitting around doing nothing that I've generally been doing.
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Post Post #2822 (isolation #96) » Sun Mar 17, 2013 9:52 am

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ChannelDelibird wrote:Nope.

It must have been in the neighbourhood then. Plessiez was saying it was weird how quickly you agreed with him.
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Post Post #2824 (isolation #97) » Sun Mar 17, 2013 2:55 pm

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What do you think my role is?
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Post Post #2834 (isolation #98) » Mon Mar 18, 2013 11:38 pm

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Cerulean, I would love to sheep you on Ben-town, but I just don't know who else to vote for!
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Post Post #2876 (isolation #99) » Thu Mar 21, 2013 12:58 am

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I'll get to this tomorrow.
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Post Post #2893 (isolation #100) » Fri Mar 22, 2013 12:05 am

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I'm really sorry, but I won't be able to read over people properly tonight. Don't wait for me if you'd rather go ahead, but Benmage's recent posts feel scummy at first glance, as if he's trying too hard to look town almost?

I need to reconsider CDB though and I agree with you, Cerulean, on both Jason and Shaft/Kise/whatever he calls himself.
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Post Post #2905 (isolation #101) » Sat Mar 23, 2013 1:13 am

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Ok, so I don't like Benmage apparently not caring whether he or CDB is lynched first, and I've become less sure of CDB-town recently as well. Unfortunately, I haven't read through their ISOs recently, and don't feel right now that I could properly decide between them. I will try to make this happen before deadline, but if not, then based on recent posts and my memory of their older posts, I have no significant preference between them as far as the lynch today goes.
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Post Post #2914 (isolation #102) » Sat Mar 23, 2013 9:59 am

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Plessiezarus wrote:But you have decided between them -- you're voting for one of them. So the above just seems a very odd thing to say.

Benmage is in no danger of being lynched right now, so my vote for him is not very significant in my opinion.
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Post Post #2920 (isolation #103) » Sat Mar 23, 2013 11:00 am

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DeasVail wrote:Regarding CDB, I did have a weak townread on him, and am not entirely comfortable calling him scum. First, although he's not the most active here, in Mini 1376 (he was scum), he just didn't do... anything. Meanwhile here, he actually does stuff. I admit that he could just be more motivated in general now though.

The main thing for me is 283. I know everyone loves the coaching scumtell, but I'm pretty sure scum know this too, so I'm leaning towards thinking that scum would avoid a post such as Absta's, which is actually something I could see town saying.

I do admit the ignoring each other point could mean something, but considering how weak CDB's suspicion of Absta was, I don't think it's particularly surprising that he didn't follow it up.

Reason for a weak townread on CDB before his response to his wagon, which I also thought was the kind of thing that would come from town.

However, I do like your argument about his attitude to the game not really making sense, and if he was confident enough about his townreads to blaze through the game with PoE, I don't think he'd change his opinions (e.g. on me) so easily.

Benmage, how much were you trying to look town with your self-vote post?
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Post Post #2928 (isolation #104) » Sat Mar 23, 2013 5:47 pm

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Benmage wrote:>>>>>>>>>>>>><<<<<<<< this much.

How retarded of a question is this?

Well I don't know, but I don't understand your answer. :(
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Post Post #2931 (isolation #105) » Sat Mar 23, 2013 11:29 pm

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I'm going to look at Benmage and CDB now!

Benmage:

First, I agree with Camn that his interactions with Absta could easily be from scum. I'm not sure if they make it more likely, but it does fit in my mind.

[post=365] feels like a fake reason for an opinion.

Ok, so now I remember that Ben's interactions with Kuribo were a large part of my not-completely-strong townread on him.

Yeah, I'm not as interested in him now. I think his attacks on Kuribo, his waffling on the significance of the self-vote and just other stuff around that time are either Ben trying hard to look town or him actually being town. It seems unnatural for scum to put in so much effort into looking town at this time (no pressure, not at the start of the game or anything like that), so because of this (as well it being more likely that he's actually town from it anyway) I am going to restore my townread on Benmage. Because of the game's situation though, it's a weak townread.

Ok, I think I'm going to go ahead and say I prefer CDB here. I think overall he's been less town than Benmage, him saying that he won't let us lynch him is something that I've thought more as scum, and looking back at his response to his first big wagon (which I earlier thought was from town), I can see it coming from scum. Examples are little things, like "Who are the scum coasting on my wagon?" is the kind of thing I'd expect more from scum trying to have the town response to their wagon rather than actually from town (I think it's actually a little unnatural and forced really).

I know this stuff is really weak, but it's all I have right now. I don't feel that great about the lynch because obviously I found him town earlier for a reason, but I don't think there's anyone that I'd feel good about.

Vote: CDB


L-1. I'll be around again before deadline and am not dead set on lynching CDB if someone really wants another player lynched.
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Post Post #2965 (isolation #106) » Wed Mar 27, 2013 8:27 am

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Benmage wrote:Tammy, why are you dismissing DV?

It's because I'm town, duh.
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Post Post #2975 (isolation #107) » Wed Mar 27, 2013 9:08 pm

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Benmage wrote:HOld the phone... I think DV should claim if he has the 1-Shot BG or not(or atleast in the neighborhood). I'll explain why after he answers....

The neighbourhood knows the status of my ability already.
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Post Post #2983 (isolation #108) » Wed Mar 27, 2013 11:40 pm

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Kuribo, if it's any consolation I am (usually) more pro-town than this as scum, so me being bad means I'm town!!

But yeah, I'll probably sort things out over the weekend. Very tempted to go with Jason though.
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Post Post #2985 (isolation #109) » Thu Mar 28, 2013 12:06 am

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My play has been pretty bad too and I'm sorry about that.
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Post Post #3038 (isolation #110) » Thu Mar 28, 2013 2:43 pm

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The only thing that relates is ratting.
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Post Post #3042 (isolation #111) » Thu Mar 28, 2013 4:09 pm

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Cerulean wrote:
Shaft wrote:

kuribo wrote:That DV quote is blatantly out of context. Even I can see that and I'm an idiot.

I'm still a bit confused about what DV meant tho. An explanation would be helpful from him.


Pless was accusing him of making up his role. He was defending himself about it, and being sarcastic.

Oh yeah sorry, this was it.
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Post Post #3045 (isolation #112) » Thu Mar 28, 2013 7:16 pm

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So are you also saying that I'm making it up?
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Post Post #3048 (isolation #113) » Thu Mar 28, 2013 9:20 pm

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It also makes sense from scum with not-me, as I'm generally a good person to leave alive, and there was a reasonable chance of me BGing Cerulean.
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Post Post #3050 (isolation #114) » Thu Mar 28, 2013 10:17 pm

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I didn't do it until we had a neighbourhood massclaim. I think this was Day 3?
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Post Post #3066 (isolation #115) » Sat Mar 30, 2013 12:03 am

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Although Benmage is being very silly right now, I'd probably choose Jason to lynch today, maybe Shaft if that suddenly seems like a good idea.
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Post Post #3190 (isolation #116) » Mon Apr 01, 2013 8:43 am

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I would vote Jason here, except I'm a bit nervous about the L-1 thing and all and could still be down to lynch Shaft. Not much to say apart from that though.
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Post Post #3198 (isolation #117) » Tue Apr 02, 2013 9:45 am

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Shaft wrote:so what changed these last 10 days, DV?

I was only hesitant to lynch you before because of your claim. Jason is a fine lynch now because calling him town because of TGAH's play has been proven invalid.
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Post Post #3214 (isolation #118) » Wed Apr 03, 2013 11:55 pm

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There is some paranoia, but I'm still thinking Jason.
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Post Post #3233 (isolation #119) » Thu Apr 04, 2013 7:30 pm

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I was under the impression that TM was unusual for Jason-scum.
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Post Post #3252 (isolation #120) » Sun Apr 07, 2013 2:05 am

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Sort of prod dodge and really bad apology.

I think I might be lazy, skip the reread, and vote Jason.

But I also might not, so I'll get back to you later.
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Post Post #3265 (isolation #121) » Sun Apr 07, 2013 11:49 pm

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I'm town.

I'm sorry, things are getting busy for me, and the Monday-Tuesday period is always the worst of the week. I will have much more time in 24 hours, but I know that my contribution hasn't been very good at all recently
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Post Post #3275 (isolation #122) » Tue Apr 09, 2013 1:15 am

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Camn, I don't need an excuse for scum not to kill me.

And I really am town.

Why would I need to have an excuse to not die, if I was also the type of scum to not pick off PRs?

The fact that you acknowledge that the strategy isn't paying off is what confuses me the most, since according to you it's my own actions that are making it so.

Looking through things now, I just feel so confused when it comes to camn/shaft/Jason.
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Post Post #3278 (isolation #123) » Tue Apr 09, 2013 3:02 am

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Ok, I love WIFOM as scum, so maybe I'd go for that, but I'm hardly a PR, and I don't really get night killed much.
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Post Post #3279 (isolation #124) » Tue Apr 09, 2013 3:13 am

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Ok, I think I'd choose Jason, but you really shouldn't listen to me that much because I have less confidence with this then I usually do with reads (and that's pretty low anyway).

I'll be around again before deadline.
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Post Post #3297 (isolation #125) » Tue Apr 09, 2013 10:34 am

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Shaft wrote:What part did you look through/look over?

I didn't look through as much as I wanted to to be honest. I looked quickly at Jason, and decided he really didn't look that town.
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Post Post #3306 (isolation #126) » Tue Apr 09, 2013 11:21 am

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Shaft is a mafia doublevoter LYYYYYNCH
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Post Post #3354 (isolation #127) » Fri Apr 12, 2013 11:12 pm

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Oh, and I was going to read over everyone too. :(
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Post Post #3359 (isolation #128) » Mon Apr 15, 2013 10:49 am

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Ok, now let's get this over with.

I'm neighbourhood-approved town (disregard Plessiez, they don't count) so it would be really nice if you guys didn't vote for me.

Also, I have to look over both of you, although you both seemed town previously so I really don't know where I'll go. I'll probably start at some point today.
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Post Post #3362 (isolation #129) » Mon Apr 15, 2013 11:21 am

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1-shot BG and daytalk enabler. I BG'd Cerulean the night Sotty died (I think?). If it's really important I can check to make sure.
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Post Post #3363 (isolation #130) » Mon Apr 15, 2013 11:29 am

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No wait, I think it was Night 3. I'll actually check now though.
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Post Post #3364 (isolation #131) » Mon Apr 15, 2013 11:29 am

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Night 3 it is!
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Post Post #3366 (isolation #132) » Mon Apr 15, 2013 11:49 am

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Yes.
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Post Post #3367 (isolation #133) » Mon Apr 15, 2013 11:50 am

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And this was all discussed in the neighbourhood as well.
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Post Post #3369 (isolation #134) » Mon Apr 15, 2013 2:38 pm

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Benmage, please unvote.

Also, I've only ever claimed VT as scum (well, eventually anyway).

Proper response coming.
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Post Post #3370 (isolation #135) » Mon Apr 15, 2013 2:39 pm

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Oh and there was one time where I claimed town neighbour, but I was a Mafia neighbour so that hardly counts.
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Post Post #3371 (isolation #136) » Mon Apr 15, 2013 2:48 pm

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First, I'm pretty sure I've heard from someone that Camn busses as scum. It might have been in the neighbourhood, I don't know.

I really think my claim is very strange for a fakeclaim.

I'm pretty sure I've addressed this a lot, but I wasn't necessarily going to claim in the neighbourhood (I might have if I decided that Dan was likely town), but the question was an attempt to better read him and ultimately I found his response to the whole situation to be likely from town.

I thought he was scum when he hammered, but I guess I felt a bit out of sorts because I was planning to read everyone and it just happened. I acknowledge it looks kind of bad, but I know that wasn't true and it doesn't mean I knew the game wasn't over. And how you can say I feel defeated after town self-hammers and I'll be in a 3P LYLO with no conftown. That's pretty good odds for scum and I would be especially happy about it as scum, because in situations like this as scum before I've only had 1v1s so this would be really exciting.

Please be scum.
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Post Post #3372 (isolation #137) » Mon Apr 15, 2013 2:53 pm

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ALSO

Kuribo and Cerulean know that I'm town and have a much better understanding of my motivations this game (getting to interact with me in thread and in the neighbourhood) than you would so if you're town please sheep them.
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Post Post #3373 (isolation #138) » Mon Apr 15, 2013 3:00 pm

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Oh and I'd still like you to unvote if I haven't made that clear enough.
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Post Post #3375 (isolation #139) » Mon Apr 15, 2013 5:11 pm

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So you're not removing your vote?
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Post Post #3376 (isolation #140) » Mon Apr 15, 2013 5:26 pm

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And the neighbourhood verdict is still 2v1, or 3v2 depending on how you look it.

DV-town wins!

Plessie dying early only makes sense with me-scum because he asked me to kill him.
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Post Post #3378 (isolation #141) » Mon Apr 15, 2013 10:48 pm

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This isn't so bad then.

Vote: Benmage
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Post Post #3379 (isolation #142) » Mon Apr 15, 2013 10:51 pm

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Kuribo did tell me to not hand either of you the hammer though. :(

Also, he asked me in the neighbourhood last night to tell him if I was scum. I probably would have told him if I was scum, and he wouldn't have said the above if I'd told him I was scum.

So unless I'm making all of this up, I'm town.
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Post Post #3380 (isolation #143) » Mon Apr 15, 2013 10:58 pm

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The Baltimore Sun wrote:
Day 4, Votecount 7

Benmage (4) - Deasvail, camn, ChannelDeliBird, Benmage


Not voting (5) :
Cerulean, Plessiezarus, JasonT1981, kuribo, Shaft

  • With 9 alive it takes 5 to lynch.
  • Deadline is on 25th of March at 3:40am GMT
  • Countdown to deadline: (expired on 2013-03-24 23:40:28)
  • No one is V/la.


Aw, we were so close too.
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Post Post #3382 (isolation #144) » Tue Apr 16, 2013 1:12 am

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I have something to say, but would you prefer I wait for Benmage?
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Post Post #3386 (isolation #145) » Tue Apr 16, 2013 2:48 am

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Benmage wrote:Just hammer me camn.

We both want the same thing!

:D
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Post Post #3387 (isolation #146) » Tue Apr 16, 2013 2:48 am

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Also, I would have killed Kuribo as scum.
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Post Post #3394 (isolation #147) » Tue Apr 16, 2013 10:35 am

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I was around when Jason was being run up and I said that he was my preferred lynch.

Kuribo not dying would have been pretty suspect if I was scum and Kuribo was the most town as well, so that's partly right Camn.
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Post Post #3395 (isolation #148) » Tue Apr 16, 2013 10:36 am

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And I'm sorry to make excuses and such, but I became really busy in RL and had personal issues to deal with over the course of this game, so if my activity was poor at any time, it was because of that, not anything alignment-related.

I would never purposely lurk as scum anyway.
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Post Post #3397 (isolation #149) » Tue Apr 16, 2013 10:47 am

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Another thing on the so-called 'defeatist attitude', every single person in the neighbourhood wanted to be killed (to the point where they asked me to kill them, with varying levels of seriousness)

And what alignment were they?

Also Benmage, you can't ask Camn to hammer you and then convince her not to. It just doesn't work that way.

Camn,

Think of how big Benmage's ego will get if he wins this.

It doesn't matter who's town and who's scum.

Do the right thing.

And vote Benmage.

(But I'm town so it's like a double positive)

(Also if this is too weird and makes you think I'm scum please ignore it)

PEdit: He could have. He wouldn't have done it straight away, but he may have come around to it. He actually mentioned something about it in the neighbourhood (not completely seriously though). I also tend to avoid killing people who suspect me and love going for the 'he would've taken this person to LYLO' WIFOM as scum, so I probably would have done the safe thing and just killed Kuribo.
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Post Post #3403 (isolation #150) » Tue Apr 16, 2013 11:24 am

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camn wrote:Its like you have spent the entire game claiming scum. You have a scum power role. You were 'excited' that there was no conftown in LYLO, and you would have killed the one person who you CLAIM thought you were town?

I wasn't excited. I said I would have been excited if I were scum.

Also, that's just what I do. I'm sure someone has commented on it somewhere.

3398 is trying too hard to have 'the town perspective'.

Also I've decided that the Kise self-hammer comment isn't really as bad-looking as I thought it was.
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Post Post #3405 (isolation #151) » Tue Apr 16, 2013 11:28 am

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I'm sorry that my play hasn't been very good this game, but I do think that there are a lot of things here that are different from what I would have done as scum. (Like the Kise comment, I wouldn't do anything that could possibly resemble a scumslip as scum)

Obviously you're town Camn, and even if I don't deserve the win, hammering me means your loss as well. I may not be able to convince you of this, but I'm always going to want you to hammer Benmage obviously.

If my claim sucks, you can blame Faraday for giving me the
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And yeah, sorry if I should have done something different today.
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Post Post #3406 (isolation #152) » Tue Apr 16, 2013 11:29 am

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But yes, just stop thinking and hammer Benmage, that would be the ideal.
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Post Post #3407 (isolation #153) » Tue Apr 16, 2013 11:31 am

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Also, the way 3404 is worded gives me the hope that you're tricking me and that you're actually going to hammer Benmage. If it's not the case then :(
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Post Post #3408 (isolation #154) » Tue Apr 16, 2013 11:33 am

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Oh and post-game they may not think I've stressed this enough, but what Cerulean and Kuribo thought is not irrelevant.
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Post Post #3411 (isolation #155) » Tue Apr 16, 2013 11:47 am

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I didn't kill Kuribo though?

Maybe the weirdness of Kuribo being alive would have made him reconsider their previous town beliefs. I didn't say it was definite, just a possibility.

Also I feel really silly speculating about all this because really I have no idea.

What I know is that based on my posts both here and in the neighbourhood they both correctly believed to me be town. They were town so their opinions can be trusted as being honest. Plessiez was wrong, but I don't really know what to say about that.
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Post Post #3413 (isolation #156) » Tue Apr 16, 2013 2:20 pm

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The fact that you believe it to be a scummy thing to do is a good explanation for you avoiding it.
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Post Post #3414 (isolation #157) » Tue Apr 16, 2013 2:42 pm

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CAMN!!!

I have just realised the answer to all your problems! (i.e. you can both think and hammer the scum!)

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... &start=725

Here Benmage-town quickvotes me in 3P LYLO and is WRONG! (I was on an alt, but it was obvious who I was and I posted on this account post-game)

Would he do the exact same thing as town again without hesitation?

I don't think so!

(Well maybe he would, but it's something for you to consider anyway)

Also, his play here seems a lot more "Look at how town I am!" than it is there.
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Post Post #3416 (isolation #158) » Wed Apr 17, 2013 11:06 am

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You're making it sound a lot more unusual than it is.

And I mean, going against me doesn't really reduce your chances, does it?
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Post Post #3417 (isolation #159) » Wed Apr 17, 2013 11:08 am

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Also, I'm really really cautious and every LYLO I've been in I've taken
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Post Post #3419 (isolation #160) » Wed Apr 17, 2013 11:18 am

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I thought you could have been.
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Post Post #3421 (isolation #161) » Wed Apr 17, 2013 12:19 pm

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1) It's a weird role, but I don't think it's the kind of role that Faraday would give as a fakeclaim, and I don't have the creativity to make it up. We now know that I couldn't have had a scumbuddy that suggested it to me. I really think the most logical thing here is that it's my actual role.

I don't think 2) is very relevant. I'm pretty sure there generally isn't less hunting in my scumplay and I wouldn't expect that from Benmage either.

4) I don't think my role changes things much balance-wise.

I don't know how to argue about Ben's play. I thought he was town for a while too, but he's scum, so...
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Post Post #3423 (isolation #162) » Wed Apr 17, 2013 12:44 pm

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Well I do help the PO communicate in the day. And the daytalk enabling ability is linked to my ratting.

I don't have anything more to say about that, but the fact that it doesn't fit doesn't make it a likely fakeclaim, it makes it more likely that I made it up, and I don't think it's the kind of thing that I'd make up.
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Post Post #3425 (isolation #163) » Wed Apr 17, 2013 1:23 pm

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The way I see it.

If it's a fakeclaim provided by Faraday, then he would do it as if it was an actual role he was creating, so there very likely wouldn't be any difference between a fakeclaim and an actual role.

I think that it would have been very ambitious of me to take my fakeclaim of Wallace, and then link it to abilities that weren't supposed to have anything to do with Wallace, ESPECIALLY considering my limited flavour knowledge. (If you think I'm lying about this, then tell me and I'll try and prove it to you.)

And I'm pretty conservative as scum anyway. I've always claimed VT or the town version of my mafia role in the case of a neighbour.

I know that in theme games the flavour is important, so I wouldn't try and fit the role of whatever PO character I am to my Barksdale Organisation fakeclaim, because I'd be bound to be caught out from my PoV if they weren't supposed to go together.

Also, I obviously planned to claim what I did a lot earlier than I needed to. A decision like that would be one that I made later when I decided which was necessary, not Day 1/Day 2.
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Post Post #3426 (isolation #164) » Wed Apr 17, 2013 1:24 pm

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Antoher thing to consider is that I imagine with Jason/Absta as buddies I wouldn't have had much guidance as to what I should be claiming etc.
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Post Post #3429 (isolation #165) » Wed Apr 17, 2013 3:33 pm

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What I'm saying is is my lack of flavour knowledge would mean I wouldn't have the confidence to mess around with my fakeclaim.

They are probably telling you to vote Benmage. :)

PEdit: Because I'm not quite as easy as you thought I'd be!
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Post Post #3432 (isolation #166) » Wed Apr 17, 2013 4:35 pm

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Aw.
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Post Post #3433 (isolation #167) » Wed Apr 17, 2013 4:35 pm

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Sorry guys. :(
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Post Post #3434 (isolation #168) » Wed Apr 17, 2013 4:36 pm

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I really need to update my wiki too.
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Post Post #3436 (isolation #169) » Wed Apr 17, 2013 4:40 pm

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I don't know whether I should say what I am.

Maybe I'll leave the reveal to Faraday/Mina?
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Post Post #3438 (isolation #170) » Wed Apr 17, 2013 4:41 pm

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Oh congrats Benmage!
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Post Post #3444 (isolation #171) » Wed Apr 17, 2013 4:47 pm

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I'm just sorry I wasn't more town.

Also, I'm not sure whether saying I would have killed Kuribo (even though it was true) was a good idea.
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Post Post #3449 (isolation #172) » Wed Apr 17, 2013 4:50 pm

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I'm sorry Camn! :(

All the best Benmage. I felt like that about halfway through this game, but just now I'm enjoying mafia again, so I hope we see you back soon!
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Post Post #3454 (isolation #173) » Wed Apr 17, 2013 4:58 pm

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Yeah, that sounds like a lot to handle.

PEdit: Because the only reason I would have kept him alive was because he thought I was town, so as scum I would have thought that him being alive was only because I was scum, so if people thought about things logically, then things would point straight to me.

I don't know if it would have been a good decision, but that's how I would have felt.

Also, I'd have to convince Kuribo that Benmage/Camn left him alive to make him paranoid about me and that kind of thing doesn't happen usually.
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Post Post #3525 (isolation #174) » Thu Apr 18, 2013 12:10 pm

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Thanks for modding!!

I really liked the setup and thought my role was pretty cool. :)
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