The Wire, Season 1 - Final Credits!

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Yo this ain't no Yugoslavia shit right here niqqa, this America right here, I got rights man.

for great justice!

You want justice niqqa? Justice? Yo you got them cops all the way up here talking about "investigatin'" and shit when there's nothing to investigate, and you want JUSTICE? Yo you got some nerves man, showin' up here as some undercover cop.

Vote: TheGreatestAmericanHero

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Vote: jason

This is good shit right here. Mofo gets real tight and scared and shit, tellin' ya he's hiding wires.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

I don't like black people, I'm requesting a white man role

You my niqqa why you be hatin' though?

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Jason - serious vote on Arthur?

Serious as anything we have had so far.

Nah nah nah look at this right here, then:

And all you heard was me rambling lol.. you will get used to it. But in short it only caught my eye the 2nd time around.

You take extra caution to make your jokes, or you hiding some wires?

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

@SAD, RP'rs are annoying. Please stop.

What? Yo you talk like that around here you end up with a bullet between your eyes. People be thinking you some type of undercover cop or some shit. Yo you got a problem with me b you can say so, otherwise I'm just trying to catch 'em people who be coming around and poking their noses in shit they ain't suppose to. You focusing on small things like this is raising alarms for me. I ain't implying anything yet, but I'm just bein' real with you.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Arthur what do you think of Benny's idea that absta made a scummy post?

Hmm, not sure I see what you see? If you talkin' about this:

I'm not used to this speed. My activity/effort should get better after this friday which is my last exam. Not sure if I've already mentioned that.

What Speed?

I ain't exactly sure if he implied it as a scummy post or not. I'll be real though, absta the-tobacco-smokin'-white-man's talk does strike me a bit scummy, y'know? Like, he almost settin' up excuses for unnecessary shit. Don't think it's too much to base on though.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

My point against the RP, is I don't want to have to attempt to decipher what someone is saying. Moreover I don't want scum hiding behind some rp nonsense and backtracks or makes up meaning of intent.

Tell me somethin' you ain't clear on and I'll enlighten ya. Though you throwing bullshit my want won't hold up in court, y'hear? Don't be throwing around nonsense 'less you wanna get shot down here.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Also, it's quite amusing to see someone attack me right on my first post, real Mr-Look-I'm-Town-Here, y'know?

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Apparently seeing things here, but still, very early on.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

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I agree with Benmage. The RP is not helping and is annoying.

Aight, yo listen, y'hear? Shit don't make no difference! I ain't speaking another language, ya acting like I'm speaking some fucking Chinese or some shit. Yo this messed up man. Ya sittin' there with your little rich-man persona callin' out people on shit that make no difference! Ya'll acting like you so high and mighty yet you is focusing on little shit, instead of actually, y'know, looking for 'em men we suppose to be huntin'?

Bubbles is a scum CI anyway.

Aight, except I had this av before this little mess started

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

does not matter if it is your first post or 100th post... if its scummy you are going to get called on it

I guess ya got no problem with explanin' why it's scummy, then?

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Oh hey Arthur - Two things. Did you really pick the strung out drug addict for your avatar. Bubbles is cool and all, but man you couldn't pick someone really cool?

No? He's prob the coolest character for me from s1 (the only season I've watched thus far) ._. I mean I get the Omar hype and stuff and still think he's awesome, but Bubbles' subplot is amazing. Wee bey is kinda cool also.

I aint the type of person to deny a man his fun, and you look like you be having fun and all, but if I don't see real content

product

delivered between your shitposting and rp, Imma pop a cap in your ass. You feel me?

Nah nah I feels you. And I do be deliverin' content, and have. Ain't no Miss Missy, but I'm trying over here, y'know?

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

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Do you happen to be a Tazaro alt bro?

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

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Do you happen to be a Tazaro alt bro?

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

That flat shawty with them big eyes probably ain't no cop.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

I really hope you're not referring to the cookie monster as shawty

Nah the flat one with 'em big eyes that was here some while back.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

^

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Yeah, I have no idea what's going on right now.

Drugs be doin' that to you man. Stop smokin' from that bong.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Dayne- Post restriction? yes or no.

Nah nah I do this from the heart.

Hmm, I've got a fair few townreads

Wanna, y'know, expand a little bro or are we each hiding our reads like we do to the stash?

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Vote: McStab

Come back clean bro then start posting.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

I'm not saying he's definite scum or anything, but I haven't really found much else to push on and this seems like a decent thing to me.

Yo get that undie shit outta here. I'll translate this for ya to see why you obviously an undie. You is basically sayin' you lookin' for anythin' to get your hands on so you can go around masqueradin' and pretendin' you is real. You is not. Fake as shit can get. Real. Talk.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

vifam delivering one liners isn't relevant to his alignment that's just how he posts

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Peta always posts like that and you are really are dumb if you think that takes away from his statement

Hop with me on that-pretty-face-Jason?

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

I can dig Shadoweh being one 'em undies. She talking like she on of 'em too.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

How the hell do you have a town read on BabySpice?
-Explanation please.

She actin' all gansta like and all, but it be coming down from the heart, ya feel me? Shit don't feel fake. Think one of 'em undies wouldn't attack someone like Vifam right away, y'know? People don't fake that shit. If it be comin' to someone, it be comin' from the HEART. Don't know much, but to a man like me it reads much more naive about Mr. Poppin' rather than someone tryin' to make some shit up.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

I'm liking the SAD rp. It's amusing that he sounds like my 20 yr old white Australian step-son who thinks he's from the hood.

._. Only difference is I really do live around "the hood".

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

vifam delivering one liners isn't relevant to his alignment that's just how he posts also he's p clearly posting content so ur dum imho

Calling someone dumb only works if you can actually use correct grammar, punctuation and spelling and not with the result that you make yourself look dumb in the process.

Niqqas be crazy though, you know that, though you wildin' out buz.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Jason is where the shit is at. Get with the program.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

(If you think we're confusing, you should have seen Dayne and me as a hydra)

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Wow there are too many wall-y people on that list. All of ya should get together like once a week and summarize what you all said or something, cuz some of us here don't like too many words, ya feel me?

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Wow there are too many wall-y people on that list. All of ya should get together like once a week and summarize what you all said or something, cuz some of us here don't like too many words, ya feel me?

Yo.

Yo. Keep it real buzzy. And stay on Jason. That's where the shit is at. And get those other word-lovers to come this way. Promise 'em dope or somethin'.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

DeasVail seems like one of those players who are always fake no matter what

Sometimes I'm not.

I admit that I feel I'm kind of forcing it here, but when I actually have a proper scumread I'll get back to you.

Homeboy, I'm waitin' on 'em townreads from you. How long it take to make things up?

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

The townreads on both me and Vifam and hilariously naive.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Just a heads up based on setup spec relating to flavour; if a police character flips, they would almost certainly be the main scumteam. If an East-Side dealer flips, they are also probably a scumteam. I'd imagine we're either dealing with a two-faction setup like that (especially if this ends up being a Night-Action intensive game) or a large scumteam + SK (Omar Little as a BP SK makes alot of sense, for example). I know this is in the realm of speculation, but it's important that we interpret night actions correctly and people who are familiar with the flavour can likely help with that.

Nah the east-side people are not that important in s1. I can see 3 cops + like Bubbles as a traitor to the cops + Omar as an SK.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Town

Cerulean
Benmage
Camn
Ser Arthur Dayne
TML
Shadoweh
Nostredeus
ChannelDelibird

Explain those last 6 townreads bro? (even if they're weak w/e just give like a 1 sentence explanation?)

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

At this point I've be a lot more interested in explanations rather than pretty colors and lists and shit. No point in breakin' up the PL into groups yet (imo, you can feel differently?) but some explanations to why you be feelin' the way you feelin' would help.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Back.

Need to skim through these pages.

Less twitter, more actually doin' stuff.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

I'm interpreting this: post 227 as Baby Spice being coming off as genuine + gut.... Someone correct me if I'm wrong here.

Shit be crazy I feel you niqqa.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

I never said I think SAD is scum. I made one post with the vote and asking for it to stop, when I was last in the game, I come back and make one post defending my position on it.

Niqqa how you vote someone askin' 'em to stop? That's some Aladdin shit right there. God gave you a mouth, use it. Your shit won't pressure me more or less than you askin' simply (on that note, it is hilarious to think I would be "pressured" into stopping or not based on your vote). If ain't stoppin', I ain't stoppin'. Your shit make no difference! What I see you tryin' to do though is look like you tryin' and shit and so people be thinkin' you actually doing shit, meanwhile it's such an easy vote for you to be laying. You not even votin' seriously yet!

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Absta bro have we got one serious game-related post from ya yet?

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Sorry if this kinda seems wrong (and I really don't mean it in an offensive way at all) but I have this nagging feeling absta is complaining about the posting and the "speed" just an as excuse for him to lurk and not really get called on it at some point. Again, I understand being busy, overwhelmed, newbish to large game, etc, but you have 2000+ posts on site, and this is actually going at a reasonable pace considering the fact that it can go a lot faster .

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

SAD, regarding 268 why is it so hilarious that people townread you? If you

are

town, wouldn't you just assume that you've acted in a way/said something that you only did because you are town, and that's how people are townreading you?

Nah, because most of the townreads on me are (ironically) like this:

SAD- There's less motivation for mafia to roleplay and keep it up, although the townread is much weakened by 268.

I am very well capable of continuing RPing as scum, Pless is right I decided to do this beforehand, and it's hilariously naive to think that I wouldn't do the same exact thing as scum. If you're gonna put me as town, it better be for a damn good reason.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

SAD do you think that people townreading you are just naive or possibly scum who are faking reads

Most are prob naive, but honestly didn't really expect it from others who know I'm capable of this (shadoweh comes to mind).

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Speaking of 'Aladdin shit', how would I know everyone would start being so negative about this? They could have just as easily flipped the other way and there be more people asking you to stop. What would you do if people asked you to stop and you were at L-1?

Dog you really can't be serious, can ya? If people are voting someone to get them to stop somethin' (which he won't even if he was at L-1), instead of actually scumhuntin', then there are serious issues with them Luckily, though, you're inventing imaginary minions and a hypothetical situation where half of the player list would've had nothing better to do than attack someone for RPing.

For the second time btw: Why is your vote still on me?

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Why should I suddenly back down if SAD wont?

Wut.

How are you turning this into a 1 vs 1 where you pretend you're tunneling on me but your whole vote was basically statin' "will you stop?" and I answered "no"?

Like, what is your vote achieving now?

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

if I check his post history will I find him acting like this in other games? I don't think so.

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=83&t=23748

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Btw Re: Jason's "gambit" (because I think I saw someone mention it earlier - think it was scotty/zach and rofl)- How does post 43 possibliy match up with 51. Tbh, I don't really see anything that exactly "BLEW" up his gambit, and his post prob gives the most info into revealing "the gambit". The gambit is also hilariously bad because a) anyone even remotley familar with the show knows that the drug-dealers are all black, b) scum very very very most likely have claims, so suggest name-claims from those with "white" characters is either really reaally naive (which I don't think Jason would be) or is scummy just wanting to look busy, and c) he was way way too eager to explain his gambit. It honestly looks like an attempt to look town by "LOOK, I have a gambit!", the need to explain himself right away when someone simply suggested that all the "bad guys" on the show are all black reads much more like "oh man, see, it was such a good gambit." But the most troubling part of it, is if you read what Vifam wrote, he did not say that all townies should have a black character, or not even that all the people in the Barksdale crew are black, but he wrote (in a question form) that all the BAD GUYS are black. Anyone who is not familar with the show (which was what Jason was obv attempting to appeal to?) would not think that the "bad guys" = "townies" in the game (I mean I realize in the OP it states "The Barksdale organisation make up the 'town' or uninformed majority here" but that doesn't really equate the Barksdale orginization with "bad"). So if anything, Vifam's post would actually advanced Jason's gambit immensely, because any scum (assuming no fake claims, which again is higly preposterous but let's ignore that - b/c apparently Jason also ignored it, and assuming they're not familar with the show) would've wanted to claim a WHITE guy, b/c "bad guy" would most likely clicked with "mafia faction" (b/c who thinks "oh bad guys? That's the townies!"). So his 47 reads highly HIGHLY contrived, and almost like he was just waiting for someone to say something related to his gambit so he can pretend his gambit is "ruined" and then explain himself and make it out like "oh, and it was such a good plan too ".

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

if I check his post history will I find him acting like this in other games? I don't think so.

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=83&t=23748

You are...?

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... er_sort=Go

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Hopefully I come back to seeing SAD actually explaining why I am scum

Already way ahead of you gurlfriend.

unvote vote Jason

Pet wagon is still good.

It's not a wagon if it's non-existent?

Have you given up on the RP now, Arthur? Because you've at the very least tuned it down a lot in your last few posts.

Nah nah nah it's how I be feelin' that makes the difference.

Poked my head into some Vifam games, and this looks like scumfam. TownFam posts content and not do many crappy one liners.

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... er_sort=Go

Not liking Peta's responses to the posts directed at him lately.

Explain.

Still have a gut saying Jason is scum. Partly due to that gambit. But that wagon on him kinda, well see the quote.

?

Really not appreciating Tammy wall quoting.

?

Vote

?

(I mean it's still a better vote than a lot of people. Some people come to mind*cough* safetydance *cough*)

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

my point was I was saying it doesnt matter how early the post is to be considered scummy.

And my point was why was it scummy. Glad we got out points straight.

It doesnt matter if it was your first I already said, you were a tryhard looking to fit in.

Hold up niqqa let me get this straight... I was in "tryhard" mode (btw, please explain what "tryhard" mode is) , "looking to fit in"... when there wasn't anyone else RPing?

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

I seem to have stopped getting p-edit

It's not a wagon if it's non-existent?

Plenty of room for a struggling crack head.

Crack =/= heroine.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

*heroin.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

well now this is much less fun

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Also Faraday GMAT isn't a timezone

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Good voting.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

TML is slight town btw.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Cerulean (Tammy/Empire hydra)
Benmage
camn
McStab
The Mini-Librarian

Vifam

BT
ChannelDelibird
Baby Spice

^ These people are town btw except maybe Baby Spice.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

For people on the Safetydance wagon: Why him over Absta? I really feel that Absta is display many of the same signs that Safety is except on a much worse level.

There is always the small hope that Absta will contribute something good though.

I like 351. Makes a lot of sense to me. Move Jason to a slight scum read. Probably not voting him today though. (Also Jason's latest wall-post-things are terrible. ugh.)

Psst you should vote Jason.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

maybe you should give people actual reasons... you are yet to explain WHY people should vote me.

maybe you should, y'know, read.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

I mean, it's not like TML is citing it as a reason in his post as to why he suspects you or anything...

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

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Hi you still haven't responded to my 351, any thoughts/comments/etc would be greatly appreciated kthx.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

His points are rubbish against me, and truthfully if that is all you got, go home son.... nothing for you here.

lolol that's not a response please don't write that again or I'm literally going to lock my vote on you till you're dead. You wanted fucking reasons for me voting you, I gave them (before you even went on your tantrum of me not justifying ) and I end up with this crap?

Mmk.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Also while you're explaining things mind explaining that SD scumread of yours because dear does that look like it just materialized out of thin air.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

I mean the only thing you literally mentioned about him was the end of your 122 and there is no way you went from that to HELL YEA I CAN GO WITH THIS WAGON.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

OK, in that page McStab pretty strongly deviated from what I would have expected based on our previous game. Still prefer the SAD wagon for now though.

SAD =/= SD. Unless you secretly have a scumread on me

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

<--- Hey look I'm in rehab.

Don't understand this comment. Please explain. Are you disagreeing with TML's claim that absta looks worse than SafetyDance, or are you suggesting there's no hope of SafetyDance ever "contributing something good"?

The latter.

Right now, which of the two do you think looks more likely to be scum?

Prob none actually? I mean they're... just

there

.

What makes you think Baby Spice is town?

Gut + some genuineness. Not really strong though.

Did you have a town-read on TML before your 396, and if so, why? (Is it because of his 390, is what I guess I'm really asking.)

Eh he was on his way to "townland" and I guess you can say that post pushed him over the fence.

Or a town-read on Vifam before he replaced out? (Though the manner of his replace-out does seem townish, actually, so maybe that's a good read after all.)

Vifam's 40 actually reads very genuine and townish in retrospect. It seems natural, + don't think if Vifam was actually a cop and white he would've said that. The one black people IIRC from the cops (in s1) are Kima and Freamon. Kima is a girl, so that leaves Freamon. Meh, so it somewhat lowers the odds of him having a scumrole.

For someone who insists early town-reads on him are "hilariously naive", you seem to have quite a few naive reads yourself.

Not really?

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

#2manywords

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Right now, which of the two [absta and SafetyDance] do you think looks more likely to be scum?

Prob none actually? I mean they're... just

there

.

But if you

had

to pick one of them as scum, which would you pick?

None right now? I don't see how this is useful?

Vifam's 40 actually reads very genuine and townish in retrospect. It seems natural, + don't think if Vifam was actually a cop and white he would've said that. The one black people IIRC from the cops (in s1) are Kima and Freamon. Kima is a girl, so that leaves Freamon. Meh, so it somewhat lowers the odds of him having a scumrole.

That seems like a pretty odd reason to read Vifam as town. Weren't you mocking the people who read Vifam as town as "naive"

after

this post? A long time after? What made you go back and reread those posts?

When I went and re-looked at Jason's "gambit". Also, you have to learn to distinguish the genuine Vifam posts on one of his many tangents.

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I just don't really understand why you replied to TML's suggestion that absta was looking scummier than SafetyDance (which he made in 390) if you don't have anything relevant to say about either of them.

Well I meant if we should PL anyone is should prob be SD...

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

A game on an alt, as a replacement, in the middle of discussions which ended in a scum win? That's not indicative as anti-town?

Read what you wrote again when you asked your question.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

That difficult to read paragraph that only repeats whats already been stated about it...

You didn't read it did you?

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Unless you wanna point out where someone pointed out that Vifam's comment could've actually helped Jason and didn't at all blow up his "plan" before I did?

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

scott/zach, can you please EXPLAIN the townread on Jason? Like,

attempt

to convince others instead of just saying "take my word for it".

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Jason is still town. I have known the guy for 8 years just about, played mafia with him on and off the last three or four years? I forget. But Zach and myself are pretty great when it comes to reading the Jason slot and we both feel Jason Town right now. He does dumb things like tunnel on the wrong people (vifam) all the time as town. There are only two people I am happy in just straight up reading and that's Zach and Jason. So yeah, that's where I'm at with that. If any of you Jason voters want to show me something in his meta to provoe me wrong then go ahead. Right now I'm just not seeing it.

Well this ^ is basically reading "trust me".

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

And Jason is gone when he's clearly posting elsewhere

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Your read on sdance SAD?

Prob null with a sprinkle of VI?

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

You know what?
VOTE: Camn
I'm sick and tired of his fucking bull shit.

1. Camn is town.
2. Camn is a she.
3. Camn is town.
4. Camn really hasn't been "bullshitting".

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

I'm sick and tired of his fucking bull shit.

ooOOoo.. big man!

Absta's thing looks horribly contrived anyways.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

As I'm typing this though, I'm getting the niggling feeling that I'm actually attacking a town player

What type of fence ya workin on?

This just beat that Trevor quote in 'game of the year' as my fav in-game quote.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Wait no I think BB's quote from somewhere was also pretty high. So you're somewhere in the top 3?

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Yea that was from game of the year also.

pedit: obv continuing my awesome train of thought.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Arthur - What's your read on Pless/Zar?

Prob null leaning scum.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Arthur - What's your read on Pless/Zar?

Prob null leaning scum.

Have you been very accurate in reading them (either head) in the past? What is leaning you null/scum?

Not particularly? (I mean I don't remember the last time Zar played a westerosi game, and I don't remember ever seeing Pless as scum on westeros, so meh - I don't remember ever really getting a strong read on them in ADWD either).

And I find their lack of engagement/interaction and seemingly interest to be appalling. Both of them look like they're forcing themselves to post, esp from Zar who looks like he's being dragged to come and post. I actually find Pless' annoyance at Zar not really posting or conversing with him privately rather genuine - but I can very clearly see it as Pless being annoyed at Zar in a scum slot.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

petapan has requested replacement. Seeking now.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Tammy I think you broke the page for me.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Unvote
Vote: Plessiezarus

Explanation later.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Wait tammy fill me in on zar-meta in the marvel game (that's the one he played and I'm assuming he was town in?)

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

While he had quite a few single liners, in collective, Vifam's posts were very little content relevant

The fact that you chose to focus on this and use it as a reason to suspect Vifam is scummy. This has already been linked at least 2 times, so the fact you seem to pay no attention or demonstrate no interest in searching Vifam's meta and just throwing wiki-tells is def scummy. But what is more alarming is I would assume that Pless would most def at least just glance through it and would notify you that your reason for suspecting Vifam is rather inaccurate.

but I thought Vifam was scummy and BT has carried the same trend

My impression of BTs catchup in #394 was that it read fake; his thoughts on TGAH didn't read to me like the natural train of thought of someone trying to discern a player's alignment. Didn't like much of #456 either; felt that his jump on McStab could have well come from somebody feeling the urge to bus and thought that he was giving Arthur an easy pass for stuff that wasn't alignment indicative.

These read like you already decided to call the Vifam/BT slot scum, and are just trying to find reasoning to support it.

Everyone else is essentially null still (though we're conflicted on BT/Vifam Pless thinks BT's townish

Interesting. Did Pless not mention anything at all of his slight reasoning for reading Vifam town?

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Did you possibly miss, like... all of this?

Spoiler:

@Vifam I see your name keep popping up down there... Can you link a game for you as scum, and one as town please.

My last scum game doesn't match my current meta and going through it would be a waste of time

That was back when I gave a fuck and was on tryhard mode

A town game, too please. If your scum game was tryhard, wouldn't that be the opposite of this and therefore illustrating you as town?

It'll be a lot easier for you to just link than for me to have to cipher.

No, because now I don't tryhard at all

But whatever dude if that's what you want

I'd appreciate it.

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... start=7325

That's my most recent town but it's gonna take a while finding the most recent scum

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=52&t=17839 - Scum game

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... start=7325

That's my most recent town but it's gonna take a while finding the most recent scum

That was actually more helpful for me than you probably realize. (My god tho... Please don't spam post in this game... try and string some thoughts together)

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

"I'm assuming"? Are you claiming you didn't read the Marvel game?

No? I wasn't in it, so naturally if it meant I didn't have time to play it, I didn't have time to read it

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Apparently Tammy replaced out, and Zar

was

inno. I remember you mention something about via AIM but I don't actually remember what (was that one of the juicy drama games?).

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Actually the only thing I remembered off the top of my head about that game was you= Doctor Doom. Other than that looking back I seem to get a memory of WJ acting naive in the beginning, but I honestly don't remember anything else *shrug* (and I don't really think I read more than page 3 or 4 )

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Can't tell if you're honestly forgetful or if you're just playing it up as an excuse to misread Zar.

How so? (explain the latter?). Wouldn't I just not mention it at all instead of asking Tammy to fill me in on his meta from that game?

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Wait, what is the "it" you "wouldn't mention"?

You

didn't bring up the Marvel game. You just said: "I don't remember the last time Zar played a Westerosi game". And that wasn't something you brought up spontaneously -- it was when you were challenged by Cerulean about your ability to read me/Zar.

Tammy

was the one to point out that Zar played in the Marvel game. I mean, once she does that you can either say "oh, yeah, now I remember" or you can say you don't remember the game. It would obviously have been weird if you'd just ignored her post entirely. But it wasn't something you brought up yourself.

Well I meant more in the sense I'm asking Tammy about the Zar meta in that game, where I could've just undermined that?

I'd like to try to clarify exactly why you think Vifam is town, too. When (were?) you convinced by the exchange with Benmage you quoted?

Now? That exchange was to show that Benmage and Vifam talked about Vifam's meta and he even linked a game, in which he had A LOT of non-game relevant posts, so the fact that Zar is mentioning him not having much content as scummy is scummy.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Also, Zar, you look like you've done a lot of work backstage, but have been somewhat missing on thread, and not really interacting much. Is there a reason for that?

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

he hates being unrolled

^What does this mean?

That was me mostly thinking out loud for what conditions I would expect zar to not be active, or really not communicate much with his other head. Being busy is one reason, but as he put together a game at another site to mod this week, I don't really count that. Zar doesn't especially like being town, unless a game has interesting mechanics. He also finds being vanilla town really dull. So, the fact that he left the game up to his other head means it's more likely that he's town. The unrolled part doesn't really mean much, as I know he let his other head take over a good portion of the game in buckshot mafia even though they were rolled.

Even if this is true, what I really don't like is that he has been active backstage, obv forming "reads" on people, so it seems like he's not actually that missing as he appears. Kinda reminds me of OS in black flag how he was not really active on the thread but was working somewhat hard contriving reads and "cases backstage.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

This actually reads the same thing as Absta's "frustration". I really can't see how any person would be that "frustrated", and it's really just coming off as fake.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Like I'm sorry but town people don't just go "fuck this game. It makes me soooo angry *hulk*" for little reasons like that <___<

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Also, Zar, you look like you've done a lot of work backstage, but have been somewhat missing on thread, and not really interacting much. Is there a reason for that?

Based on what Tammy's told me about Zar's meta, wouldn't that actually be a towntell for him? I know Zar far prefers being scum and that he considers playing as town "a cesspool" so wouldn't him being somewhat distant here point more to him being town than scum?

Yea, but he

does

seem to be doing work, as apparent by his notes, so I think he might just be trying to give the impression that he's "uninterested".

Meh. I think I'm confusing myself.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Unvote
Vote: Jason

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Dan > Zdenek btw.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

So... he soft-claimed Sterling, not friendly neighbor?

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Well that doesn't really do anything, since scum very very likely have fake-claim anyways, but meh. (Sterling was the one shot by Omar right?)

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Anyway w/e it's a verifiable ability.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

I'm a friendly neighbor: at night I visit people and tell them who I am. It's a confirmable town role.

Anyway w/e it's a verifiable ability.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Wait what you tell them WHO you are? (as in Sterling?)

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Arthur:

If these are your thoughts on TGAH's #692:

This actually reads the same thing as Absta's "frustration". I really can't see how any person would be that "frustrated", and it's really just coming off as fake.

Like I'm sorry but town people don't just go "fuck this game. It makes me soooo angry *hulk*" for little reasons like that <___<

why aren't you voting for them?

~ Zar.

Umm, well, I obv can't vote for every suspicion I have Like, this is a really awkward question.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

I'm a friendly neighbor: at night I visit people and tell them who I am. It's a confirmable town role.

I don't understand how neighbor role equates to confirmable town role... I think Zdenek is modifying his fakeclaim.

http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?tit ... y_Neighbor

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

V/LA for weekend, will try and check in etc but until Monday afternoon expect me to not be about except to tend to my own modded games

What an infuriating player....

QFT.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Unvote
Vote: Dan

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

I can do TGAH tbh also. Rofl missing is highly disturbing.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Umm, well, I obv can't vote for every suspicion I have Like, this is a really awkward question.

That's not what it seems, at least to me. Your statement implies "there's no way town acts that way"; which means you are convinced that this is behavior that can only come from scum. Obviously, you can only vote for your suspects one a time; but if you're convinced about TGAH is scum (which is what these two posts suggest), I'd expect you to vote for him unless you were at least equally sure of an alternate wagon. Are you really that sure Jason is scum?"

~Zar.

In a way, sure? OTOH, stream of consciousness? Like, I never said I was "CONVINCED", just thinking out loud (or rather, on thread).

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

its not a town role

Dear lordy lordy.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

A role that can target someone to tell them they're town is not necessarily town-aligned.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Like, oh dear

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Friendly Neighbour != Neighbourizer

http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?tit ... _Neighbour

It's a necessarily town-aligned role.

its not a town role, but its also not a scum role...It can be used as scum or town and has no real indication as to the allignment of the person at all.

The problem with it being used as a fake claim though, he can be 'verified' by one of his lower suspected scum buddies. Who can say yes, I was neighborized.

Dead serious question: Have you read the last few posts?

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

ok I missed the confirmable bit, I was thinking in terms of just a normal neighborizer...but my point still stands...whats to stop him being 'confirmed' by a scum buddy if he is scum

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

GUYS

GUYS

"What's to stop scum from associating themselves with each other?!?!"

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

ok I missed the confirmable bit, I was thinking in terms of just a normal neighborizer...

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I'm a friendly neighbor: at night I visit people and tell them who I am. It's a confirmable town role.

I tell them I am Sterling and aligned with the Barksdale Organization.

I'm a friendly neighbor: at night I visit people and tell them who I am. It's a confirmable town role.

I don't understand how neighbor role equates to confirmable town role... I think Zdenek is modifying his fakeclaim.

http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?tit ... y_Neighbor

Ok so let's lynch TGAH.

Yeah, that sounds like a plan. VOTE: TGAH

I'm a friendly neighbor: at night I visit people and tell them who I am. It's a confirmable town role.

I don't understand how neighbor role equates to confirmable town role... I think Zdenek is modifying his fakeclaim.

Friendly Neighbour != Neighbourizer

http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?tit ... _Neighbour

It's a necessarily town-aligned role.

(Will post more later; apparently Zar hasn't actually watched The Wire, so I need to explain flavour stuff to him.)

~ Pless

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

I'm Wendell Orlando Blocker.

Doesn't he betray the Barksdale orginization?

(also, what Pless said, they are 2 COMPLETELY different roles.)

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Also, flavor for the role?

(both Zdenek + Dan)

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

they share the same function of neighborizing

No they don't. Again, stop ASSUMING what Friendly Neighbor is, and go actually read it.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Doesn't he betray the Barksdale orginization?

He does, yes. Sterling turns out to be stealing money from D'Angelo's crew in the Pit, too.

But if anything, that makes me believe the name-claims

more

, really. (These aren't the names I'd expect Faraday to give out as safe fake-claims, I mean.)

~ Pless

Yea, true. But the Sterling thing was little and d'angelo let's him off the hook, but the other is kinda major But w/e, still a little inclined to think Faraday is likely to give it as an actual role rather than fake-claim.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

I can target someone each night.

Okay cool then you're very prob town.

In other news, I think Dan is scum.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

^thoughts are that's dumb because scum could just Roleblock him if they cared that much.

Mhm so you know scum have a RBer?

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Nice beating around the bush?

Point still stands. If you're town, you'd realize that scum MIGHT have a roleblocker, in which case it wouldn't hurt either way if we give a list or not. But if they DON'T, and they don't want Zdenek to confirm himself, then giving a list might help.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Mcstab leaving the game, and hinting to his own crumb in thread, as opposed to just leaving a msg in a scumqt is hugely convincing me he's town anyways.

Or y'know, scum might not have daytalk.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Dan can your neighborhood only talk at night or does it have day-talk?

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

I don't believe 2 town type neighbor roles though are in this game.

You stopped reading a long time ago didn't you?

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Eh, it actually felt forced to me.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Is anyone like still interested in Dan?

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Like I still want his lynch but it seems people are cautious to join it?

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Quick reply:
@Cerullen - I obviously know what a fucking FOS is, I was asking what McStab was suspicious for.
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What's the case on TGAH?

Dan's CC reads town from gut.

Ben
DV
Cerullen

These are good targets.

Please do something mildly useful to this game.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

I think you SD and Jason are competing for the most infuriating player.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

I'm not going to finish reading 10+ (boring) pages

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Sadness.

Vote: TGAH

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Faraday-mod takes every way possible to make his setups wacky with the flavor to fuck up with people who try to outguess him, so I actually believe that MORE.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Fuck you absta.

Fucking hell I hate people like that.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Does this mean TGAH was, role-wise, a 'TRAITOR", as in he was unknown to the rest of the police? Or did they all know he was with them?

Very most likely: He knew who they were, they didn't know who he was, and he didn't have communication with them.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Also you guys lynched me Sadness.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

So umm, right off a skim yesterday after the lynch, I noticed these, which mildy don't look good for Zdenek.

So despite Jason having a Town read on Zdenek slot he sure is going out of his way to make sure it looks scummy.

As far as Z's claim, I think I've talked myself into just believing it. It seems a really unwise role to fake claim anyway because at most it will buy him a couple days. So, I'm not worrying about it right now; it will sort itself out in the coming days

Im not reading it as a fakeclaim, just not a townclaim.

You don't think Zdenek's claim is Town?

But alas! I digress. Who'd you target Zdenek?

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

So besides Absta being 100% fucking useless, Camn is prob very likely not scum? I mean, her frustration at him really seemed genuine.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

So TGAH's flip seems to point pretty strongly to Jason <snp> not being Police

Oh yes, this. I forgot to mention this, but I noticed it last night. Not sure about Nost, but yea about Jason.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Serious question, SAD:

Fuck you absta.

Fucking hell I hate people like that.

So besides Absta being 100% fucking useless, [...]

Why are you upset that absta played badly? Feel like he let you down?

...How is this a serious question?

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

...How is this a serious question?

What did absta do that prompted your "fuck you for being so useless absta" reaction? Why are you angry that absta, who was scum, played badly?

Umm, because he was useless? I didn't really wanna be a dick when he was alive b/c I thought there was the possibilty that he was town and honestly struggling, but now that I know he was scum it was fucked up?

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Dont sweat absta.
He was rookie scum who got crushed by me and was frustrated by it.

and that's why they killed Shadoweh

Umm, they didn't know absta was going to die. So absta's team would loved letting absta continue his argument with camn.

Anyway, longer analysis later tonight if I have it in me. If not then tomorrow maybe?

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Dan if you're town please stop acting so scummy kthx.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Neighborize someone you don't have a good read on to get a better read.

...Why not just question them on thread?

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

This is MOS-scum all over from ADWD lol.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

First I try to put some effort into this game with what little time I have (there's a reason I'm only in one game right now), and immediately you come after me for not putting MORE effort into the game. And then I have to spend the rest of my time explaining to your fucking retarded brain why I'm not doing MORE to scumhunt, when YOU are the exact reason I don't have time to do MORE. So seriously, fuck off and get off your goddamn high horse.

I'm done with you and your bitch ass.

Mod: Replace me

I don't even know why I bother with you dumbfucks. Shadoweh is a hell of a lot better than the both of you and it's laughable you think otherwise. Camn takes the credit for the absta scum-read. Cerulean gives her no credit and you both vote me. Just fucking lol.

@Mod: Replace out

Mhm.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

I now come with walls! You can find this new, shiny, and improved action figure at your local bookstore. Hurry, limited supplies last! Don't wait, get YOUR Ser Arthur Dayne action figure TODAY.

---

Okay, lets do this (just a note, I'm typing this on notepad, so LOLSPELLING)

First, let's start with

TGAH

and his interactions. Assuming that TGAH's role means that he knows who the scum are, but they do not know who he is. In this situation, as I think I read someone mention, he will try minimaize attacks on his "masters" and attempt to push lynches away from them. So anything like strong attacks on players would be indicative that he's most likely not a traitor to them.

As I already pointed out, his sided interaction with

Zdenek

does not make Zdenek look very good. Eh, he just seems like he's soft-defending him at times while also using it as a window of opportunity to launch an agressive attack elsewhere (mostly Jason?). Almost like chainsawing. This is the feel I get from 819. It just seems like he is going for the low hanging fruit [jason] while at the same time soft-defending Zdenek. This is also followed up in a bit with 826, which really reads like he's attempting to pressure Jason into getting a townread on Zdenek, and attempting to minimize any suspicion cast on that slot. His only other notable mention of Zdenek is in 898, which really reads fucking terrible for Zdenek. The fact that TGAH never actually states that he has a townread on zdenek, while at the same time pushing the idea that they're town and trying to pressure people by questioning them on their townreads is reading off. The question in 898 actually serves no purpose UNLESS TGAH actually had a townread on Zdenek, otherwise him attempting to object against someone else on their opinion of the claim while at the same time having no strong opinion yourself can somewhat clearly indicate traitor-master interaction. Also, since I forgot that Zdenek had replaced Mcstab, re-looking at TGAH's interaction with Mcstab, he never really mentions a strong opinion one way or another on them. The only thing that might be worth something is 192. Call it confirmation bias or whatever, but that really is reading like traitor-master interaction. Again he's chainsawing by softly attacking DV for his read on the Zdenek/Mcstab slot. Not to mention that he never actually jumped on the Zdenek wagon even though it was competing with his wagon at some point. Right? He kinda just lurked through the thread and then when Zdenek "claimed" that he came in and then did that soft chainsaw against benmage? The only thing stopping me from voting that slot right now is the claim tbh. I actually DO think that their claim will sooner or later indicate their alignment, but from a TGAH traitor prespective alone, the slot really really looks fucking terrible. I hope Benmage has some good(ish?) news to share, b/c it better not turn out Zdenek was roleblocked or some shit

Anyway, I agree with Pless now on both the Nost and my eariler Jason townreads because of TGAH's flip. I really don't think that 691 is likely to come from traitor interacting with his master. I mean I guess it can be faked and maybe TGAH kinda guessed he might've gotten lynched yesterday, or maybe realized that if he ever DOES get lynched it might be really bad to have all his masters on the town-side, etc, so he pushed one of his masters so that if he does ever get lynched, that master looks good? MEH. I mean, I really think that's a huge stretch, but I wouldn't put it past him. W/e. I still think that Jason is town b/c of it (for now?). The Nost town-read based on TGAH's flip is actually more concrete than Jason's, mainly b/c I really really don't see a traitor doing something like 115, where he literally jumped on that wagon and increased to 5 (I think?) making it by far the largest wagon at the time and pressuring Nost. I esp don't think he'd do it because Nost is most likely somewhat of a newbie, so adding pressure without knowing how good/bad his master will react is rather risky. I can possibly see him do it to a master he knows can handle the heat, but not someone who he is not familar with who might possibly not handle the heat? W/e. The only other POSSIBLE townread I can see is KISE. Mainly b/c I really don't think TGAH would mentioned both scum in the "vig" section in 971. Knowing he'll get lynched though, he could've possibly pointed in the RIGHT direction to his scumpartners on purpose so that we'd think he'd never do something like that? So one of Scotty or Dan can also possibly be scum because of this? Prob lean towards dan more actually. Mainly because he never actually mentioned any strong opinions on Dan before that, and it kinda just came out of thin air. Konowa said in 837 that he would lynch Dan or Jason, which I'm actually not sure if he means compromise on or actual suspects. Either way, the Dan read DID come out of thin air, because the slot had not mentioned any strong suspicion of that slot previously. Furthermore, while he actually does say he'd be willing to lynch both of those, he never actually moves to Dan. I mean I get that he just claimed in the post before, but the lack of voting for him is irking me. There is also a mention of peta in 612, where he states "peta, absta, safety and plessie all need the rope", yet he never actually pushes peta (granted, though, he doesn't actually really push ANYONE besides jason, so I'm not sure how much of a tell that is )

Okay, so I'll be looking at

Absta

interactions now, which I will prob not finish today. Almost def not finish the other-sided interactions, as it's getting pretty late here.

Nah, forget that. I'm heading to bed

(PS: Did I mention somewhere that scotty is leaning slightly town b/c of TGAH? Yea, he is. Can't really remember why exactly right now, but just wanted to say that <_<)

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Hold up Jason might be scum. I'll look at this later but something seems odd.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Hmm. Kind of like this, you mean?

Sure *shrug*

I really can't control what TGAH said, neither am I going to analyze myself, neither am I really interested in answering these questions seriously. Because... well, have fun trying to appeal it to other people, but I have literally 0 idea of what you're attempting to achieve by questioning me about it

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Absta's interactions:

Peta's slot is slowly leaning scum b/c 288.

I don't really like how absta repeats the question from 282 to 192. SD might be scum b/c of it b/c I really don't think absta-useless-scum would continue that train of thought if SD was town (as in he wouldn't really give a fuck unless it was a partner? meh).

I really don't like how in 317 he claims to not have read a lot but then just seemed to go and attack SD. Can be busing? Just going with the flow?

Absta apparently changed his stance about peta in 432 to "town" from previously "prob scum" in 288, with no coherent transition.

He then changed his stance AGAIN on peta in 437, with no coherent flow of logic

Pless is prob town from 605. (somewhat weak but ehh don't think that would be directed towards a partner)

(Oh right and 919 and 920 don't read partner-interactions).

Things like 950, 996, and 997 make camn not likely absta-aligned.

(Just realized there might still be an SK Omar)

Yea, will look at peoples' interaction with Absta later.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Mmk I looked through some people's interactions with Absta. Not much to go on (I didn't really look a lot <___<), but rough tiers anyway so far:

kuribo
Safetydance, ChannelDelibird
The Mini-Librarian, Deasvail, JasonT1981
sottyrulez, BT, Kise
Plessiezarus, camn, Zdenek, Nostredeus
Cerulean, Benmage

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Looking at iso, she was suspicious of Benmage, McStab (Zdenek), Nostredeus, Mini Librarian as well as the two mentioned above.

both sotty and absta aren't wagons and I hate you all.

Just saying...

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Hullo. I'm still alive.

I am thinking SAD-scum here, but first I want to ask to those familiar with his meta:

Are his big posts here (such as the one/s analysing interactions with dead scum) unlike how he plays as scum?

I'll help you out.

Yes?
No?
Yes?
No?
Yes?
No?
Yes?

(Omg an inference you can totally draw from that is I play town games under alts/hydras)

Seriously though, it's literally not hard to write a big post, so I have no idea what you're trying to find? Neither should you get into the habit of attempting to fit everything to my "meta" as these good folks found out the hard way

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Guys I really want Jason's flip now.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

I showed rofl the light in regards to Jason. rofl and I had opposite reactions to Jason’s gambit, this was due to his lack of flavor knowledge, while I am from Maryland and not watching The Wire is a sin punishable by death. I eventually convinced him that Jason’s gambit was a crock of shit. After that, I eventually got him to agree that Jason was the best vote

I have no idea what to make of this, but maybe konowa decided it was best to attack one of his masters so they'd look good if he ever gets lynched and rofl was just attempting to protect jason regularly and then konowa convinced him of the plan.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

kuribo why are you under the impression that the mafia knew their traitor?

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

people I don't want to lynch updated

Cerulean
Plessiezarus
Benmage
sottyrulez
JasonT1981
camn
Ser Arthur Dayne
Safetydance
Zdenek
Deasvail
kuribo
Nostredeus

That leaves these three:

BT
ChannelDeliBird
Kise

Kise is null as all get out. scum reads on the other two.

No. Try again. BT is town and Kise's slot is slightly town.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Not a fan at all of nostredeus' vote on Sotty.

do you believe it's possible that nos saw what I posted about sotty and figured perhaps he'd hop on that wagon?

Or, y'know, Nost is town.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

town = not-absta-aligned b/c LOLNOPE I'm not bothering with an SK now.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

lol @ kuribo's selective scumhunting towards an SK.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Go read his final post after being lynched. He went out of his way to mention us being a possible SK.

Well you know that's all WIFOM and the fact that you're using it as a reason is appalling.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

kuribo what do you think of 115 where TGAH hopped on the Nost wagon and put it higher than the other wagons at the time.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

ohrightyouisright.jpg

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Eh, must've read Shadoweh as Nost on that VC.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

i mean, seriously, SAD, there's a votecount like four posts down from that for fuck's sake

and I know you know I wasn't SK hunting because A- you've already shown that you know I questioned Nos' motives, and B- You commented as below indicating you had read my posts where I was hunting for mafia:

kuribo why are you under the impression that the mafia knew their traitor?

I mean, seriously, are you drunk?

Well sure no one does 100% selective scumhunting but your posts are rubbing me more fierce when you said camn was sk than when you were "scumhunting" for the mafia, which came off as a very lazy attempt at looking like you have suspects.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

zaaamn pages what were you guys doing.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

what the fuck kuribo did you just literally take a page by yourself.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

lolnope I haven't read like the last two pages I just came here to express my awesome thoughts on boom you guys had in posting, but in the words of terminator, i'll be back.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

you won't help me lynch scum

ben is town dude what bong you smoking out of cuz it's obv better than anything around here.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

zzzzzzzz

vote kuribo

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

b/c

unless it's a three-way between me, him and Zdenek.

is legit wrong.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

how is that legit wrong?

....

it was a joke.

three-way...

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

SAD, swear to me that when I flip town, you'll lynch at least one of the people on my wagon

JASON

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

CDB will prob get on the wagon though anyway so it's w/e he'll prob he get lynched sooner or later if not today.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

actually I want jason to wake up dead tomorrow thank you vig/SK I'll owe you one.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Eh, think that kuribo's slot looks worse.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

There's a post where Absta said that he had a town read on Petapan. I know that it's wifomy, but I think he's probably gunning for town-cred on peta's, now Kuribo's, flip rather than trying to protect a buddy there.

Absta's interactions:

Peta's slot is slowly leaning scum b/c 288.

[snip]

Absta apparently changed his stance about peta in 432 to "town" from previously "prob scum" in 288, with no coherent transition.

He then changed his stance AGAIN on peta in 437, with no coherent flow of logic

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

SAD if you could flip four people right now, who would they be?

This isn't really my SUSPECT list, though some do overlap.

Jason
kuribo
Whoever replaced SD
Camn

Damn had to cut out deas.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

I'm assuming we'd have four with a traitor? idk?

Wow.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

I'm assuming we'd have four with a traitor? idk?

Wow.

Assuming you've taken math lessons:

absta + X + X + Traitor = 4. A four player scum-team PLUS a traitor would be OP in a 19 player game IMO.

What are you talking about.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Wait what the fuck.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Yea I'll get back to you when I get on a computer.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Assuming you've taken math lessons:

absta + X + X + Traitor = 4.

What what the fuck. You just literally said 4 scum + a traitor

I'm assuming we'd have four with a traitor? idk?

~.Zar

Assuming I misunderstood so w/e. Though I wasn't the only one to "misunderstand", so great job on the But great job on the ad hom?

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

What what the fuck.

One of those are supposed to be wait but I won't tell you which.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

A four player scum-team PLUS a traitor would be OP in a 19 player game IMO.

Guilty conscience, or? So you knew I misunderstood, but purposely straw-manned to side-sweep an attack, or?

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

better question is, why did he confront you about it when I had already made a much snarkier response?

I was trying to get their response subtly, but thanks for making it obv like that

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Semi-V/LA till Monday.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

I'm back, I'll post something tonight, chill.

How appropriate.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Deadline's approaching, time to start compromising onto Kise, people.

I'm assuming that you guys can prob point me to a wall explaining in detail your thoughts, but as a quick note, would you be willing to compromise on kuribo?

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

CDB and Camn need to get their votes of BT and onto Kuribo or SAD.. maybe Kise at a stretch

Hi I want a paragraph explaining your suspicion of me don't do that shit where you side-brush shit my way every once in a while without backing it up kthx.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

I'm actually appalled by your uselessness and incompetence to actually demonstrate that you are capable of forming a case rather than just quoting a bunch of things and responding to them and then declaring that you have reads.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Hmm I can't tell if DV is just bad at explaining his thoughts and always this wishy-wash or he's just scum.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

I'm actually appalled by your uselessness and incompetence to actually demonstrate that you are capable of forming a case rather than just quoting a bunch of things and responding to them and then declaring that you have reads.

Yea, well if you don't like it, you can suck my cock...

Do orgasms give you epiphanies sent from the heavens as to who is scum or?

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Hey Arthur! Why are you really only addressing Jason's scum read on you when he isn't even voting you and not addressing pless or dv's suspicion of you hen they are actually calling or your lynch?

When I see shit, I point it out?

Pless, and to a lesser extent, have showed their thought process and at least I can keep up with what and how they're thinking even if I know they're wrong?

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

First SAD attacks DV, saying that DV is either scum or "bad at explaining his thoughts". Then he justifies his focus on Jason on the grounds that DV has "showed [his] thought process and I least I can keep up with what and how they're thinking". And the second post comes with 30 minutes of the first.

...What? He can both be bad at explaining his thoughts but at the same time SHOW he has thoughts and I can more or less keep up with the fact that he is confused (AKA bad at explaining his thoughts). OR the "confused" part could be wishy-wash scum...

You're focusing on two different things? There is a) Where someone does not have any thoughts and I cannot genuinely put myself in their shoes and follow a coherent (not in the sense of good or bad, but in the sense of HAVING THE ABILITY TO BE FOLLOWED) thought process, and b) Where someone has wishy-wash thoughts, which can split into either a confused person, making their thoughts followable but not necessarily... concise? or being scum who is just intentionally leaving windows of opportunity open.

Ex:

So, there's 323. I know you're probably sick of me going on about this millions of times, but I really think it's scummy. When you look at why town would say that, you come up with all kinds of problems: Why do I need a good reason to think he's town if he's actually town? He says that finding him town for bad reasons is not a scumtell, so that can't be what he's getting at. I'm just left with a big ???

However, when you consider that scum could easily say it in an attempt to look town, then the most realistic option is that he's scum.

Um.... so yeah, there's not really anything else that I think is really scummy, except possibly that really weird reaction to the Absta death, but I don't know.

The thing is, one of the main reasons I've heard for SAD-town is him mentioning the possibility of a traitor, which, considering that scum may not have even known there was a traitor and that I don't think it's that daring even if they did, is not something I agree with.

However, I'm not really as confident about this is as I thought I was (and I sooo wanted to be for once! ), so I'm pretty open to people's townreads because he feels sort of town otherwise, but there's nothing that couldn't come from scum in my opinion.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

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