The Wire, Season 1 - Final Credits!

[SafetyDance]

Vote:Benmage

[SafetyDance]

Vote:Ser Arthur Dayne

I agree with Benmage. The RP is not helping and is annoying.

Bubbles is a scum CI anyway.

[SafetyDance]

Sottyrulez eh? I take it Zach/Sotty hydra as opposed to just Sotty which is listed?

Go read the playerlist in the OP again.

He did:

1) Cerulean (Tammy/Empire hydra)
2) Plessizarus (Plessiez/Zar hydra)
3) Benmage

4) sottyrulez

5) TheGreatestAmericanHero (Konowa/roflcopter hydra)
6) JasonT1981
7) camn
8) absta101
9) Ser Arthur Dayne
10) Safetydance
11) McStab
12) The Mini-Librarian
13) Shadoweh
14) Deasvail
15) Vifam
16) petapan
17) Nostredeus
18) ChannelDelibird
19) Baby Spice

[SafetyDance]

Sottyrulez eh? I take it Zach/Sotty hydra as opposed to just Sotty which is listed?

Go read the playerlist in the OP again.

He did:

If you read even only to page 2 in his direct response to us, you'll see that my response was not incorrect. Is there a purpose to bringing this up again? If there is I can't see one.

Well if you notice the quote, which was the OP, yes it was incorrect, despite your claim. You weren't listed as a hydra in the OP, so yeah that did need clarifying.

Mod has edited it now anyway, so moving on...

/NOT GAME RELATED @Cerulean

The hydra thing bothers me, especially when there are so many of you, because you say things like: "Benmage is empire's strongest townread at the moment".. and for a second.. or sometimes longer than a second.. I think.. who the f is that? empire? Then I think, Jesus, f-ing Large Themes.. I can hardly keep track of the players... then I think OH YEAH THIS IS A FUCKING HYDRA. And I curse, in my mind, which I am not wont to do.
It distracts me.
I would, personally, and in general, like it if you hydras just said "We have a townread on Benmage." Or, if you are truly in disagreement (which makes me suspicious all on its own), maybe remind me? Like... Say- "My Other head has a townread on Benmage".
Or maybe, Could All Hydras post their Membership in their sigs, if they insist on constantly referencing player names of their other parts? That would also help ME IN PARTICULAR.

Obviously, none of this (save maybe the 'disagreements') is alignment-related... it just interferes with my flow, you know? I have a hard enough time with larges as it is.

/THANK YOU FOR INDULGING MY OFF-TOPIC CHATTER

Yes, this post so much. It's my first experience on-site with hydras and yes, the amount in this game is confusing, especially when there is an extra that was not listed originally in the startlist.

[SafetyDance]

Also, on my vote S.A.D which seems to be attracting attention.

Yes, I find his annoying. Yes, I will vote someone to pressure them to stop the annoying roleplay, especially when we are in the preliminaries of the day. It's not necessarily a scum read but its an unhelpful player being stupid (imo) and deliberately obfuscating. No one else is doing it, there's no rules saying we have to rp and if I check his post history will I find him acting like this in other games? I don't think so. I would not rather end up in D2, D3, lylo etc etc with this guy acting like he is, it's not going to help when things get serious. Better to comment on it now then spring it up as a "reason" on later days.

Now, I like The Wire too, I enjoy it and in fact am in the middle of re-watching the first season as well, I have all the discs. That doesn't mean I'm going to suddenly burst out into wannabe-terrace slang in a game devoted to trying to read people.

On the contrary to those thinking its scummy to point it out, I think it's incredibly scummy of those who are throwing weak scum reads for weak reason such as this. I think those that want a person being a fool to keep acting like it and are defending him, I find that scummy too.

Oh, and whoever it was that claimed its scummy because of jumping on someone who already had a vote? Damn, you're going to have you work cut out with all that scummy play every time someone gets more than two votes.

Safety Dance's 113 is either bad at mafia or scum. Not sure whichh yet.

How many 42-player vig free-for-alls have you won? Thought so. Bit early in the day to be criticising someone's play, especially when you're not really going off a large sample size to go off.

Just because I don't fit into whatever square-peg, modus operandi scumhunting you adhere to, doesn't mean I'm not doing any myself.

I value observing and reading as much as I do typing. In a large game, with a lot of unfamiliar names, with limited time at the moment, with egos walling each other, yeah I'm not going to bring up anything unless it really sticks out.

[SafetyDance]

I don't see any difference there to the last time when I saw him [McStab] as town.

I don't see how SafetyDance's vote on Arthur in #113 is overexplained at all, in fact my problem with it is the exact opposite - it feels extremely lazy and undercooked.

Overexplained in the sense that, once he said he was sheeping Benmage and voting because of the "annoying" RP, the comment about SAD's avatar seem redundant? Like, why say that at all unless you're worried your vote might be seen as too unoriginal? ("Overexplained" doesn't mean "not lazy".)

Don't really care that he didn't comment on the "major topics of discussion", since ... yeah, they were boring.

Agreeing with Benmage =/= voting because of Benmage.

Why not mention who Bubbles is? It's not like we're running into deadline, we were

eight

hours into the game. Several players have already mentioned ignorance of the show. I have no idea when he changed his avatar, for all I know it was for this game. You already stated it has changed recently, how am I supposed to know when exactly?

Yes, he rp's in games sometimes. No, he's not going to stop because you vote him. How about you start looking for scum instead of whining and fluffing. I want to see actual content. If you think sad is scum, why?

And, no offense, pretty sure your happy for winning the free for all, but you were declared the winner, and you were scum. How does that equate to you being good at mafia? (besides, I was locked and loaded and redy to take you out if the game would have played out. >_>)

I survived it didn't I?

I never said I think SAD

is

scum. I made one post with the vote and asking for it to stop, when I was last in the game, I come back and make one post defending my position on it.

Question, why is it ok for Plez to find 100-odd general posts boring without much need to comment on but if I didn't feel the need (or have the time to extensively cover it) too, that makes me look scummy?

@Safetydance

: Are you seriously bringing up

that

game as proof you're not terrible?

The reason why your vote was bad was that it didn't try and find scum (especially with 100+ posts before yours). Reasons like that are a perfect cover for scum, because they can just say "HE WAS BEING ANTI-TOWN" and move on with life.

Except, I think he

is

being anti-town. And go and read last paragraph of #304

[SafetyDance]

I never said I think SAD is scum. I made one post with the vote and asking for it to stop, when I was last in the game, I come back and make one post defending my position on it.

Niqqa how you vote someone askin' 'em to stop? That's some Aladdin shit right there. God gave you a mouth, use it. Your shit won't pressure me more or less than you askin' simply (on that note, it is hilarious to think I would be "pressured" into stopping or not based on your vote). If ain't stoppin', I ain't stoppin'. Your shit make no difference! What I see you tryin' to do though is look like you tryin' and shit and so people be thinkin' you actually doing shit, meanwhile it's such an easy vote for you to be laying. You not even votin' seriously yet!

Except, I think he

is

being anti-town.

There's at least 3 people that find the rp hard to read through. Would you stop it, if asked?

Speaking of 'Aladdin shit', how would I know everyone would start being so negative about this? They could have just as easily flipped the other way and there be more people asking you to stop. What would you do if people asked you to stop and you were at L-1?

[SafetyDance]

@Ben - I think I'm on page 9 but I've been skimming the walls. I gave my read on jason because he's the leading waggon.
---

@Safety - You've seen that SaD isn't responding to your pressure and you've stated that he isn't exactly a scum read. Why are you still voting him?

On the contrary to those thinking its scummy to point it out, I think it's incredibly scummy of those who are throwing weak scum reads for weak reason such as this.

I don't understand this. Can you explain it please.
Also, town-you would be voting these increadibly scummy people or deffenders over SaD who isn't really your scum read.
VOTE: Safety
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@peta - I wanted to catch up fully before I voted.

So I should just ignore something I think is anti-town?

Its fairly straightforward I thought. I think people are using it as a weak "scum" read ergo I find them scummy for doing so. Tell me, how on earth can I suddenly vote everyone who's stated they find me scummy? Where would I get multiple votes on right now? Why should I suddenly back down if SAD wont?

I never said I think SAD is scum. I made one post with the vote and asking for it to stop, when I was last in the game, I come back and make one post defending my position on it.

fuck it this sucks

UNVOTE:

VOTE: safetydance

See, this, I find scummy, where's the crap in the statement I made. In fact its one that is rather easy to check. As of #312 I had made one post with the vote in it (#113) and one post defending my position on that vote (#304). Wagon vote and for a ridiculous reason.

[SafetyDance]

Yes, he rp's in games sometimes. No, he's not going to stop because you vote him. How about you start looking for scum instead of whining and fluffing. I want to see actual content. If you think sad is scum, why?

And, no offense, pretty sure your happy for winning the free for all, but you were declared the winner, and you were scum. How does that equate to you being good at mafia? (besides, I was locked and loaded and redy to take you out if the game would have played out. >_>)

I survived it didn't I?

I never said I think SAD

is

scum. I made one post with the vote and asking for it to stop, when I was last in the game, I come back and make one post defending my position on it.

Question, why is it ok for Plez to find 100-odd general posts boring without much need to comment on but if I didn't feel the need (or have the time to extensively cover it) too, that makes me look scummy?

So, are you voting him out of policy then? Your vet was odd because you just agreed with benmage and then brought up the bubbles thing. Now, I can tell you that he did change his avatar sometime back, but I also would not put it past Arthur to put his avatar as bubbles even if he were scum and was bubbles. So, the avatar is a null thing anyway.

That coupled with you pointing out the player list and not really commenting on anything but trying to appear helpful read scummy.

Couple things regarding pless. Where do you see me saying its all right they didn't provide content. In fact i know that at least three of my posts have been on that very thing, in one I said pless was a productive vote because of it. So why are you deflecting onto someone about a subject that's already been covered?

I wasn't going to be around for long. The game had just started was still in its infancy, regardless of what subjective time frame you put on RVS, it was still early days. I didn't have much time and from between my RVS vote and my post the two things I mainly noted was the two things I pointed out. I didn't think it was necessary nor did I have the time and energy to commit to any shadow-hunting full of weak reads.

In the quote below, pless states they didn't talk or comment on any of the earlier discussion either.

I don't see how SafetyDance's vote on Arthur in #113 is overexplained at all, in fact my problem with it is the exact opposite - it feels extremely lazy and undercooked.

Overexplained in the sense that, once he said he was sheeping Benmage and voting because of the "annoying" RP, the comment about SAD's avatar seem redundant? Like, why say that at all unless you're worried your vote might be seen as too unoriginal? ("Overexplained" doesn't mean "not lazy".)

Don't really care that he didn't comment on the "major topics of discussion", since ... yeah, they were boring.

[SafetyDance]

the statement you made is "durr murr i never said i think the guy i'm voting is scum" and then later "hes being atiiiitooooowwwwn" which is like babby's first way to make an excuse for mislynching

You're quoting #312. Look at the post before that, which was #304:

Also, on my vote S.A.D which seems to be attracting attention.

Yes, I find his annoying. Yes, I will vote someone to pressure them to stop the annoying roleplay, especially when we are in the preliminaries of the day. It's not necessarily a scum read but its

an unhelpful player being stupid (imo) and deliberately obfuscating.

No one else is doing it, there's no rules saying we have to rp and if I check his post history will I find him acting like this in other games? I don't think so. I would not rather end up in D2, D3, lylo etc etc with this guy acting like he is, it's not going to help when things get serious. Better to comment on it now then spring it up as a "reason" on later days.

So you read the highlighted bit and tell me how you can interpret that as anything but me saying its anti-town?

Speaking of 'Aladdin shit', how would I know everyone would start being so negative about this? They could have just as easily flipped the other way and there be more people asking you to stop. What would you do if people asked you to stop and you were at L-1?

Dog you really can't be serious, can ya? If people are voting someone to get them to stop somethin' (which he won't even if he was at L-1), instead of actually scumhuntin', then there are serious issues with them Luckily, though, you're inventing imaginary minions and a hypothetical situation where half of the player list would've had nothing better to do than attack someone for RPing.

For the second time btw: Why is your vote still on me?

And you can't be serious to continually roleplay. Why should we have to constantly adjust having to read posts which switch in and out of roleplaying dribble just so you can get a cheap kick? You can do that on other forums.

It was nice of you to answer the question though. You really think people putting this much pressure on me and forcing me to spend time defending myself is really going to help scumhunting?

if I check his post history will I find him acting like this in other games? I don't think so.

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=83&t=23748

You are...?

[SafetyDance]

So you read the highlighted bit and tell me how you can interpret that as anything but me saying its anti-town?

i'm interpreting it as you being scum voting someone for being annoying and making a big fat stink about it

So you're misinterpreting it to suit your pre-conceived read? Noted.

Safety Dance and SAD are new scumreads. The SAD one is a bit weak though.

so vote safetydance, he's still voting SAD when SAD is clearly contributing and playing the game and isn't RPing as much, and is just trying to justify his crap vote instead of moving forward and saying anything meaningful

Like you are? Notice the RP stuff has stopped only recent, after I was defending my position on it.

You want me to move forward? Fine.

Vote: petapan

Because out of all the opportunism and weak reasoning yours take the cake.

[SafetyDance]

if I check his post history will I find him acting like this in other games? I don't think so.

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=83&t=23748

You are...?

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... er_sort=Go

A game on an alt, as a replacement, in the middle of discussions which ended in a scum win? That's not indicative as anti-town?

so vote safetydance, he's still voting SAD when SAD is clearly contributing and playing the game and isn't RPing as much, and is just trying to justify his crap vote instead of moving forward and saying anything meaningful

I don't know dude, I thought Safety's first two posts were really bad but I just read his recent posting and I'm getting the same vibes I got from Nostedeus - basically, that he's just incompetent and not really scummy. I don't think him trying to push a policy-type lynch on Arthur and justifying it is really that bad given his inexperience and how much negative attention he drew from it earlier. Plus, I thought the way he lashed out at TML in #304 with the whole "don't pigeonhole me" type stuff was pretty genuine and townish. I haven't talked to Tammy about him yet though (I think she might still be scumreading him?) and I do agree that he does need to involve himself a little more in scumhunting than self-defense at this stage.

Look, I'm not available as much as all you guys. I'd love to get on and cherry pick a random player and tunnel them for a day chasing shadows but I don't have the time. I'm not going to throw off a post with a bunch of names and 'scum' or 'town' next to them. I find that weak, and it would be.

I come back and find I have to defend myself against a vote and post I made

eight hours

into the game. Sorry if I'm a little distracted?

I think that anyone looking at this from a scumhunting perspective already understands this, but in case anyone doesn't (Plezzie apparently can't):

Anyone attacking SAD for RPing isn't alignment indicative (although I think it may be indicative of a lack of sense of humour, but I digress). Anyone attacking SAD for RPing as their main attack, voting him, claiming he's scummy for doing so, or claiming that there is nothing better to be doing when we're 17 pages in IS acting scummy. That's grasping at straws and trying to form a case on anything they can find while plenty of real scummy behaviours are happening.


This may be OMGUS but I think he's been trying to drift under the radar, so I'd be into a Plessie wagon if it forms; SafetyDance is still worth pursuing for the moment though.

Also I have a townread on Arthur because he's probably been scumhunting the most strongly here. If you think I avoid confrontations with strong players as scum I point you to Micro 78.

Main attack? bullshit. You've neither processed or read any of my defence.

Claimed as scummy? You've clearly, not read any of my other posts properly.

Claiming there's nothing better to do? Wrong again, absolutely no claim like that. We were not 17 pages in, we were 5 (i think), barely half a day into the game. I was (and am) defending that post(s) because it was called upon. Should I not try to defend myself? Are you in a rush to lynch?

i think it is a bad move given inexperience because that's what inexperience scum does - they whinge about people being

anti-town

and try to push based on that because they have difficulty calling people actually scummy

the first time you asked it i didn't have a read. at the time of him replacing out, I read him and leaned scum because while him getting bored and frustrated with the game is pretty much just him being vifam, i know he prefers being town to being scum, and he didn't really come off with many solid opinions where looking at him in homestuck he had a few early on that he gave some reasoning for and i didn't see a similarity here

that said i haven't read anything that BT is posted and do not plan to for a while

I never pushed the vote, I defended my reasoning for voting. More misinterpreting.

That last sentence - you openly state you're ignoring a person's posts. That's not scummy, how?

[SafetyDance]

Okay so I am caught up. Liking the SafetyDance vote mostly because of his posturing and dismissive tone when it comes to a lot of the pressure. Also he brings up winning the recent vig4all? I don't really like that at all. I know Zach played in that game so when he wakes up I'll ask him about it, but right now, blegh.

I'm finding SD's posts pretty genuine; it's pretty mental to characterise his stuff as just being about SAD's RP, I'm finding players who are doing that to be latching on to this growing bandwagon. The stuff about SD's posturing is pretty decent though, and the 'I am so good at mafia look at my vig game" comment seemed weird to me, I'm probably going to hipster this wagon

for now

too though.

That was a comment aimed at someone bagging out the way I play, despite me having only 3 damn posts. Why shouldn't I be proud of winning something? It wasn't even remotely anything like figjam, fuck, it barely registers compared to half the shit flying around here.

[SafetyDance]

. The pressure vote has become useless, everyone's telling you to stop. Why not just move on if he doesn't actually want to lynch him? Because he's scum that doesn't want to be seen as backtracking under pressure? Possibly.

Why would I not try and defend myself? If I disagree with what someone is saying about me you bet I'm going to try and defend myself and if someone is misinterpreting me, I will call them up on it. I'm not just going to ignore them and be content with people wagoning me.

Regarding SafetyDance:

I didn't think his vote for SAD originally was that big a deal, but after failing to achieve the intended goal (I think?) of getting SAD to stop roleplaying, and getting negative attention for his vote, he doesn't unvote for the longest time.

That is not a case, I came back on when I did and then defended why I voted him, because people were asking me to address things. From defence to unvote is 7 votes. Context.

There's also the fact that there was content beneath SAD's roleplaying, and the first reasonably sized paragraph in 304 talks about SAD being a problem in later days, which I really feel is just scum trying too hard to justify their vote, and the whole thing about it being brought up as a 'reason' later I don't really understand. I think this would only be a problem from the PoV of scum? However, I'm not sure I understand completely.

Having foresight in this game is a bad thing? And trying to address something I feel can be a problem, early on (like, 8 hours in), that's bad too? When's a good time to bring it up? When's the most pro-town moment to bring up that I have a problem with the roleplaying and find it anti-town?

That last sentence - you openly state you're ignoring a person's posts. That's not scummy, how?

ah yes, scum often openly admit to not reading posts because that helps them achieve their goal, of lynching the town

retard

also this game is insufferably wallposty

Wonderful, insults. If I'm a retard then that must make you regressive pond scum that's crawled back into the water because he's forgotten the simple act of how to breathe. Can't make out any logic in that sentence, will presume there is none.

Yeah, vote stays.

[SafetyDance]

SD, your post doesn't really address why you didn't unvote, which is really the main problem.

Also, CDB, the inconsistency was that he makes an insignificant comment about a player he doesn't know the name of, and then later in the post says he'll only bring something up if it really sticks out, as he doesn't want to wall or whatever. This attitude does not really fit with the comment I mentioned, but I don't think this inconsistency is particularly scummy. Maybe it's something scum would be more likely to avoid. I'm not really sure.

Stubborness? Busy defending myself? I don't think you're quite grasping the fact I was only defending an early post, nor time as a factor.

Your second paragraph, well maybe you want to re-read the post in question again? There isn't any inconsistency, you're making that up. Not remembering the name of someone who made a comment =/= them as a scum read. Nor was I necessarily trying to avoid walling (read it again).

You know what I'm trying to avoid? Shit like this:

Spoiler: Example 1

You all get to have pretty colours!

Note that some of the townreads are really weak.

Town

Cerulean
Benmage
Camn
Ser Arthur Dayne
TML
Shadoweh
Nostredeus
ChannelDelibird

TBD

Plessiezarus-

I'm not sure I really get the hate on them. I actually like the first post, but they could easily be scum so far.

Sottyrulez

TheGreatestAmericanHero

Absta-

A lot of 134 is really unnecessary though.

SafetyDance

Vifam

Petapan

Baby Spice

Maybe Scum

JasonT1981-

I found myself kind of agreeing to things people said about him. Also reading through, I don't like his long post where he quotes and comments on things that aren't even that important. Also, his question to Vifam in 202 is pretty bad. It's a pretty weak read though and I don't think I've ever played with Jason-town.

McStab-

Yeah yeah whatever, but I stand by what I said. I'm not saying you have to sheep me (yet).

Spoiler: Example 2

Cerulean (Tammy/Empire hydra)
Benmage
camn
McStab
The Mini-Librarian

Vifam

BT
ChannelDelibird
Baby Spice

^ These people are town btw except maybe Baby Spice.

Spoiler: Example 3

You know what?
VOTE: Camn
I'm sick and tired of his fucking bull shit.

1. Camn is town.
3. Camn is town..

Spoiler: Example 4

Alright time to plow through the shit arguments out there. Can someone, perhaps BT (I find his posts to be the most eloquent of my detractors) please outline, in bullet point form, the points against me?


Jason is town. Absta is town (I know his townmeta pretty well and this is townabsta). SAD is town. BT is town. Peta is town. Shadoweh is town.


I think Nostredeus is most likely scum, SafetyDance and Plezzie are next behind him.

Guarantee 100% scum are on my wagon. BT isn't one of them, and I doubt that both DV and Camn are (although I wouldn't be surprised if one is - they both are giving me a weird vibe, but I think that partially stems just from an all around difficulty of mine to read them).

Also funny how many people are setting themselves up to switch votes onto me and thinking they're ohhhhh so clever at how reasonable they're looking *glares at Shadoweh, BT*

Weak as Budwieser reads that do nothing to help with anything. List reads (or whatever you call them) are not proper reads or effective scumhunting.

So it's not something you're going to see me throw out there.

[SafetyDance]

Your read on sdance SAD?

Prob null with a sprinkle of VI?

My jury is out, and I felt VI as well... but his recent posting suggests otherwise. (definitely someone to iso again)

You mean you haven't? What have you been doing this last day and a bit whilst asking others for their opinion on me?

[SafetyDance]

V/LA next 2 days

[SafetyDance]

Prod dodge post. Sorry, will try and catch in next 24hrs

[SafetyDance]

Reading back now. I've got some 15-20 pages to read though

[SafetyDance]

3 hydras needing prods? That doesn't make sense at all.

[SafetyDance]

I don't understand why SD is saying what he is in response to my in 543. I don't think I said anything about stubbornness or defending himself? Also why is he insisting there's no inconsistency? He makes a comment on someone who he doesn't even bother to work out the name of and then says later that he'll only say stuff that really sticks out. It couldn't have been that important if he didn't even bother to check the name of the person in question.
.

Your problem is you can't dissociate the two things. Or you don't want to.

Just because I'm addressing something, doesn't mean I think its scummy. There were a lot of people on my case at that point, I'm not going to remember everything if I didn't create a tab to quote the post. I take it by your continued focus on this point it was you who made that stupid comment?

Safety - when you come back around, mind giving your top two scum reads.

*was going to try to do more, but I'm in a bad mood, I'll deal with this tomorrow*

At this stage, McStab and petapan.

And they've both replaced out. :/

Unvote:ActionDan

[SafetyDance]

I think you SD and Jason are competing for the most infuriating player.

Says the guy who spent half the day pretending he's a tv character and inventing new words.

Caught up, quick post now so I can move on to other games.

I dont think the two who have claimed (Zed + Dan) should be lynched, their claims should be easily verified day 2 right?

In general, I find myself agreeing most with the posts of camn, Benmage and BT. If that's worth anything.

I don't mind hammering the TGAH wagon (

intent

), I think overall play from interactions with sotty and shadoweh, are pretty bad and the #691 hissy fit was bad and when following up didn't address the increasing wagon or the problems people found with it. That said, only concern is the TGAH wagon has built easily because they are away and only after Zed and Dan claimed did it gain momentum. If town then suspicion falls on sotty for their incessant tunnelling.

Others wagon I could get on today are absta, Jason,

[SafetyDance]

Will be back in around 24hrs before the deadline to wait for any claim

[SafetyDance]

Fine,

Vote:Absta

Not sure what the point is though. You'd have to get those off the TGAH for it to get anywhere near lynchable

[SafetyDance]

The deadline is coming and it's better if we don't have a rush lynch.

I'm a town friendly neighbor. My character is Sterling. McStab soft claimed it in 53 - Sterling got shot protecting the location of the stash house.

I'm Wendell Orlando Blocker.

I'm a 3-shot neighborizer.

I think that's enough of a cc.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Zdenek

I did tell everyone that posting probably wouldn't happen until tomorrow.
We are Bodie, Vanilla.
Jason is still scum. After that you should look at sotty and Dan.
Don't waste lynches on absta or Kise, just shoot them.

Just noting the flavor in particular.

I find it hard to believe some minor character like Sterling has an ability over Bodie being just plain vanilla

[SafetyDance]

No, go read the last 10 pages or so. That's just the flavor of the claims we've had today.

I said I would yesterday so time to DX 460 this.

Vote:TGAH

[SafetyDance]

First I try to put some effort into this game with what little time I have (there's a reason I'm only in one game right now), and immediately you come after me for not putting MORE effort into the game. And then I have to spend the rest of my time explaining to your fucking retarded brain why I'm not doing MORE to scumhunt, when YOU are the exact reason I don't have time to do MORE. So seriously, fuck off and get off your goddamn high horse.

I'm done with you and your bitch ass.

Mod: Replace me

I don't even know why I bother with you dumbfucks. Shadoweh is a hell of a lot better than the both of you and it's laughable you think otherwise. Camn takes the credit for the absta scum-read. Cerulean gives her no credit and you both vote me. Just fucking lol.

@Mod: Replace out

Mhm.

Minus the theatrics and throwing the baby out of pram, that was pretty much my defence Day 1. It does seem to be site-meta to target those that aren't active as much as others. The egos here

are

inflated. Learning that comes with the territory in these large games.

*wall-that-badly-needs-to-be-rescued-by-an-enter-key snipped*

I think as soon as the wagon built they (it was a hydra) went into damage control and said very little, then went on a massive wifom spree in last few posts.

We're lucky absta is gone, it would have been harder to read through it without that.

[SafetyDance]

I like NKA, think its important. Everyone is killed for a reason, have to try and figure out why.

As Cerulean has summarised, she was likely killed because of being a relative non-entity during the day. If so it tells us scum have a conservative midnset.

Or that her reads were very accurate and someone felt threatened. Who did she target? TGAH and absta from memory, maybe she was scum-killed for absta suspicion but there were quite a few (*coughcamncough*) who were a bit more vocal in that regard.

[SafetyDance]

Looking at iso, she was suspicious of Benmage, McStab (Zdenek), Nostredeus, Mini Librarian as well as the two mentioned above.

After all the night flips etc I will not be wanting to lynch today, unless they do something terrible: camn, benmage, sotty, kise, cereluen, zdenek and AD. So that's PoE out the way.

[SafetyDance]

Faraday-mod takes every way possible to make his setups wacky with the flavor to fuck up with people who try to outguess him, so I actually believe that MORE.

Oh yeah, forgot this. You were saying?

[SafetyDance]

Looking at iso, she was suspicious of Benmage, McStab (Zdenek), Nostredeus, Mini Librarian as well as the two mentioned above.

After all the night flips etc I will not be wanting to lynch today, unless they do something terrible: camn, benmage, sotty, kise, cereluen, zdenek and AD. So that's PoE out the way.

Forgot Jason. I really need to learn note-taking.

[SafetyDance]

So you're just saying Sotty isn't clear? If its about shadow/absta selective quoting ftw, she was wanting absta to be a wagon. Also:

It would make me so happy if two terrible wagons weren't in bold every votecount.

Cerulean: @_@ Why does it take so many words to say you think Benmage is lazy as town. Okay okay I get it, but it makes me uncomfortable to clear someone because they're not being as strong as they could be. I don't remember much of ADwD because I wasn't reading very much of it

Mini-Libra: I think the only question I have for you that is implicitly asked in my post there is who your current town and scum reads are with reasoning behind them.

Rereading absta's posts do make me frown but he's on v/la until tomorrow so I can't expect a response about them.

And I use double spacing if I have more then one person I'm addressing, but I don't think I'd ever be satisfied with a bunch of one-liners like that.

SAD: Please stop calling me an undergarment you pervert.

Caught up really

quick

excessively slowly because ten new pages, don't have time to make a post

but want to say absta is reaching new lows in terrible posting and his half-hearted fling on Safety Dance aka lynch me please after saying like nothing is scummy. Absta, you asked me what was wrong with your posts, I hope the 'everything' that people brought up repeatedly answered that for you.

If someone has a super-pressing question for me I'll be back later tonight to read it.

Safe to say absta was a fos

[SafetyDance]

Oh, yeah. PR use is pretty obvious. I mostly have that kind of thing in my head - it's all obvious apart from the JOAT - follow Benmage night 1 (if he'd done the kill the game was over RIGHT THERE) and voyeur nost night 2.

So. fucking. close.