The Wire, Season 1 - Final Credits!

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As much as I like the McStab wagon (seriously, that's a scummy name) I think anyone speaking of justice in a game about The Wire is even sketchier

Vote: TheGreatestAmericanHero

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Yea but there is not one white person in the Barksdale crew from memory. So anyone claiming a white guy would be not town.

Nice work giving it away. Would you give away the stash house location that easily?

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I think Vifam and SAD are town right now. Kinda surprised no Hamsterdam references have gone down yet, but I guess it's just season one.

Unvote, Vote: Shadoweh

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Nostredeus is scum. Brings up a bad idea WITH an implicit suggestion, that scum would have minor roles. This reads to me like scum who has a fakeclaim that isn't minor, thereby trying to divert suspicion from himself. Then he gives up the idea at the slightest pressure.

Vote: Nost

Also those attacking Ser Arthur Dayne really ought to question themselves as to how after seven pages of content the main scumread they have is on someone for talking in character, who obviously loves The Wire (any true fan of the Wire frequently quotes it and would be excitable about it).

That being said, I don't get a scumvibe from Benmage. I DO get a scumvibe from SafetyDance; but Nost is scummier.

Also GreatAmericanHero got townier since last time I posted.

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It's all about context. You tried to come across non-committed to it so that if you got called out for role fishing you'd have an alibi. But you managed to get swayed by one small, two or three sentence post that doesn't even address that issue solely?

Also yeah you jumped on the Shadoweh wagon in that post and then Shadoweh convinced you why it was a bad idea. So you voted for the person you presumed to be scummiest and then got convinced by said scummy person (without you changing your opinion on him, as evidenced by your 77/78 is still scummy comment) to change your idea?

Nostredeus is a rat, lynch him.

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Nost struck me as pretty genuine in that exchange. Come vote SafetyDance instead, McStab.

No, and for the record, if Nostredeus flips scum lynch CDB next. CDB on his own doesn't warrant a vote, but associatively he and Nost would make a good scumteam.

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Why exactly am I barking up the wrong tree?

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@Everyone: I think alot of people are thinking that what Benmage said is what happened (that a bunch of people shot down the name idea, that's why he backed off). Go back and check the posts. He suggests it, ONE small post comes up (that really doesn't have alot of merit), written by the person he was voting for as scum (which would normally bring into question the motives of the person saying it) and he backs off.

I have a logic-read on DV being scum but a gutread about him makes me think town. It's the most peculiar thing, because I really think I'd normally take a defensive stance on it, but for some reason the way he goes about describing his scumread on me makes me think he's town - nonetheless, I don't like his disclaimer on townreads being weak (they obviously are weak at this time in the game) because it reads like a disclaimer clause to get out of his reads (which is valid enough, but the fact that he explicitly stated it makes me question his motivation). Still, far better people to vote for out there than DV.

Nost, are you new to Mafiascum? Not at all a skill-indicative question just wondering for meta-sake.

Vifam, Shadoweh and Ser Arthur Dayne are town. Nost is likely scum, and I want to hear more from SafetyDance. I agree with what people are saying about Jason, but depending on posting style one could be annoyed with Petapan and have that affect his reads - it's irrational and unreasonable, but that would be potential town-motivated reason for his read on Peta. I think there's merit to pushing a Jason wagon, but the Nost and SafetyDance wagons are far more important.

Don't like the content produced by Plezzie, there's not much and it's weak. Just anti-town right now, not really scum.


Also for the sake of posterity in case my tinfoil hat theory starts looking plausible a Benmage-CDB-Nost scumteam works really well; I don't wanna get into setup spec too much so it's possible there's more scum/different factions/SK.

Just a heads up based on setup spec relating to flavour; if a police character flips, they would almost certainly be the main scumteam. If an East-Side dealer flips, they are also probably a scumteam. I'd imagine we're either dealing with a two-faction setup like that (especially if this ends up being a Night-Action intensive game) or a large scumteam + SK (Omar Little as a BP SK makes alot of sense, for example). I know this is in the realm of speculation, but it's important that we interpret night actions correctly and people who are familiar with the flavour can likely help with that.

TL;DR Vote Nost. If Nost ever flips scum checkout CDB and Benmage. SafetyDance and Jason should be pressured but I could see Jason town motivations. DV is acting scummy but I have a gut town feel on him. I disagree with Plezzie. Vifam, SAD and Shadoweh are town.

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Pages more of posting, not much that changes my opinion tbh

Vote: SafetyDance

Mini-Librarian and Benmage both are now weak townreads

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I think that anyone looking at this from a scumhunting perspective already understands this, but in case anyone doesn't (Plezzie apparently can't):

Anyone attacking SAD for RPing isn't alignment indicative (although I think it may be indicative of a lack of sense of humour, but I digress). Anyone attacking SAD for RPing as their main attack, voting him, claiming he's scummy for doing so, or claiming that there is nothing better to be doing when we're 17 pages in IS acting scummy. That's grasping at straws and trying to form a case on anything they can find while plenty of real scummy behaviours are happening.


This may be OMGUS but I think he's been trying to drift under the radar, so I'd be into a Plessie wagon if it forms; SafetyDance is still worth pursuing for the moment though.

Also I have a townread on Arthur because he's probably been scumhunting the most strongly here. If you think I avoid confrontations with strong players as scum I point you to Micro 78.

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h8ers gunna h8

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Yep.

UNVOTE
VOTE MCSTAB

Whoa cowboy I wasn't sure who you were voting for thanks for the bigsize

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Vote: McStab

Totally town-motivated posting and not OMGUS or opportunist scum/sarcasm


@BT: I didn't forget about Nost, but SafetyDance is an acceptable lynch to me and that wagon has legs. When Nost was sitting at three and SD at 5, I decided to go for the more viable wagon. I'm more down for a Nostredeus wagon than SafetyDance even, but getting the exact lynch I want in a game of 19 players is unrealistic and counterproductive. I'll be the most enthusiastic for a Nost wagon out of anyone should his wagon become viable again.

Someone (I think Benmage) asked me about Peta. I think Peta's town, but I had hesitated to put him into any category prior to the last few pages; I think peta's one of the harder players for me to read. His recent posting has led me to think he's town.

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Also a SafetyDance-Nost scumteam works well too, so that's totally plausible and given their individual scumminess I think that's a decent possibility.

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Alright time to plow through the shit arguments out there. Can someone, perhaps BT (I find his posts to be the most eloquent of my detractors) please outline, in bullet point form, the points against me?


Jason is town. Absta is town (I know his townmeta pretty well and this is townabsta). SAD is town. BT is town. Peta is town. Shadoweh is town.


I think Nostredeus is most likely scum, SafetyDance and Plezzie are next behind him.

Guarantee 100% scum are on my wagon. BT isn't one of them, and I doubt that both DV and Camn are (although I wouldn't be surprised if one is - they both are giving me a weird vibe, but I think that partially stems just from an all around difficulty of mine to read them).

Also funny how many people are setting themselves up to switch votes onto me and thinking they're ohhhhh so clever at how reasonable they're looking *glares at Shadoweh, BT*

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I know this is going to sound like a pressure replacing out, but it's not, I assure you. Some fairly serious, unanticipated real life things have come up for me (don't worry, not sick or anything, but nonetheless I'll be unable to devote the time to this game and site as a whole that it deserves - I may not be back for a few months).

Sorry to all the other players, my replacement for leaving him in this spot (although my replacement should definitely look at my post 53), and Faraday for his great modding; I have no doubt this will be a fun game.

- Mod, replacing out.