Open 480 - C9++ Game Over!

[SafetyDance]

Oh hai GM, I DIDN'T GET INVITED TO THE CAPS LOCK PARTY!!!!!111

[b[Vote: Goodmorning[/b]

Because, OMGUS

Yeah, I'm too tired right now, will read through the thread tomorrow, hi all.

[SafetyDance]

Oh hai GM, I DIDN'T GET INVITED TO THE CAPS LOCK PARTY!!!!!111

[b[Vote: Goodmorning[/b]

Because, OMGUS

Yeah, I'm too tired right now, will read through the thread tomorrow, hi all.

OMG I CAN'T EVEN RVS PROPERLY. MY LIFE IS ONE HUGE FAILURE. WHY IS MY CAPS LOCK KEY STILL ON?!?!?!

Hi Safety, don't flake this time. It makes people think I'm scum and lose Town the game in horrible LyLo.

Zai made me /in this, and Safety I mentioned to remind him that I find him readable. Also I noticed him /inning in queue.

Erm, I guess I know your town game too so, IGMEOU? And kwll basically threw away that slot, you guys got a gimme.

[SafetyDance]

Why not?

You announced a feeling someone is scum, but you voted randomly instead. It's keeping us in RVS longer which makes it a problem.

Au contraire - my vote on goodmorning was anything

but

random.

So accidental, arbitrary, by chance or haphazardly?

None of the above. In fact, it contained intent.

*anagrams*
right it's just a coincident that your vote wasn't on the person you were calling scummy, got ya.

Wait dammit I don't have enough T. Tents are silly places to be in anyway.

Elaborate for the masses please.

[SafetyDance]

Someone's likely to hit scum in RVS. Why not me?

Oh look, self-confessed bussing.

Vote: Cub Diagoro

Also, time is arbitrary, RVS doubly so. It's completely subjective and based on the person. Null

I think to make this game interesting for me I'm going to have a shot of whiskey next Friday for every question Implosion answers with a question.

[SafetyDance]

VOTE: Nobody Special

I know you only as a god, untouchable by mere mortals. Let's see how you play.

Man, you are going to be SO DISAPPOINTED.

I completely agree with you, NS. Know this, I will tunnel the fuck out of you today to get you lynched if you start lurking here. Would like to nip this in the bud early. K thx.

Tbf, it does apply to everyone else.

[SafetyDance]

Where the bloody hell are you?

@Edosurist @ac1983fan @pieceofpecanpie @Messiah

Btw Gamma, you can't count in your VCs. How many players?

-Counting is hard shuddup

[SafetyDance]

And I wont allow someone as town more concerned about their lurking meta to cakewalk into a potential 1v1v1 lylo again because both parties want him kept alive. Fool me once....

I consider lurking in general to be a scum-tell anyway.

[SafetyDance]

None of the above. In fact, it contained intent.

*anagrams*
right it's just a coincident that your vote wasn't on the person you were calling scummy, got ya.

Wait dammit I don't have enough T. Tents are silly places to be in anyway.

Elaborate for the masses please.

I tried thinking of a synonym to random that contained the word "intent", however there weren't enough T's to be right. Then there was a pun on

in

TENT to show that my whole post was a useless joke, obviously that didn't work and/or you're still tired.

Probably both.

I agree with the case made by Implosion in Post #67

That said, Cub's Post #71 is accurate as well.

Actually, I think you're both looking town at the moment.

UNVOTE
VOTE:Nobody Special

Post count is nice but substance would be nice. Don't you have any reads?

[SafetyDance]

We have two players that haven't even confirmed in yet too. ac1983fan and Messiah have at least confirmed but their last posts on the site were inning into this game. Considering it null,

for now

but would like them to post soon.

[SafetyDance]

Hey guys. I'll just confirm here. I wasn't around this weekend, but I am now.
Reading, will post by the end of the day.

It's only 11 days away, so that's reassuring.

[SafetyDance]

Ai, sorry for being tardy to the party, full time jobs and time zones will do that sort of thing.

Anyway, I had preplanned a nice RVS vote on SafetyDance, complete with puntacular Men Without Hats pun, but alas a quick skim reveals we're getting a little serious now.

So bugger that, I'd better read this thing a little better.

For a start, I'm not a fan of Nobody Special's

"people haven't posted yet, how scummy of them, they must be scum, and that is an adequate defence for me not being scum"

doesn't sit well. Firstly, not everyone late to the game are part of the nefarious scum, drooling at the chaos town have already caused for each other. Secondly, I'd find it just as likely (if not more so) that scum are already posting, just not posting content... just like NS.

FoS @ Nobody Special

I need to read through the pages a bit closer before I throw the votes out, but this page is all about NS dodging questions and making dodgy excuses.

Hang on, why FOS instead of putting you're vote there? In fact, why would you not, unless you're actually worried about a wagon forming and not wanting to vote your scum buddy

FOS: pieceofpecanpie

[SafetyDance]

Oh, did I write FOS? Silly me.

Vote: pieceofpecanpie

I want that bad pun now too

[SafetyDance]

Are you both herp and derp?

Hang on, why FOS instead of putting you're vote there?

I need to read through the pages a bit closer before I throw the votes out

I need to read through the pages a bit closer before I throw the votes out

I need to read through the pages a bit closer before I throw the votes out

I've played with NS before, so firstly I'd say his posting is consistent to his meta so less suspicious than most who present that style. Secondly, I don't vote willy nilly (my meta), so I said what I said. I had pages to read more closely and catch up on.

Did you just jump off NS faster than a rutting bull with 99 unmounted heifers in a yard of 100?

It matter how many times you increase the size. You suggested NS was looking scummy but said you hadn't bothered to read the thread yet. Clearly you have been reading otherwise you wouldn't have taken the time to write a couple of paragraphs about him and how he may be scummy so clearly you have been paying attention enough to respond to my post. So no, I don't find the 'need to catch up' excuse as valid, when the evidence points to the contrary.

Did you just react to being voted like someone's shoved a hot iron poker up your ass? Yes you did.

I don't know you so I don't know if counting is your strong suit or if you have troubles with it but in this game, we're given

ONE

Vote. That's means having

two

votes, isn't an option.

Do you think I've suddenly grown less suspicious of NS now? Or don't want him him answering the question I asked of him?

- Safety in #106 says

"nuhuh, you can't FoS the guy I voted, you can't agree with me and FoS him, you've got to vote him, so I'm gunna unvote that guy you agreed was suspicious and vote you instead"

So I conclude that Safety's vote on NS was meaningless and he's now thrown out some townie schlock along with a terrible vote. Can you tell a different story?

This, to make it clear, is your own paraphrasing. I didn't once say you had to agree with my reasons to vote with NS. You're making it up as you go along now.

[SafetyDance]

SafetyDance has a weird fixation on people being NS's scumbuddies.

Here he is voting me for "busing" NS:

Someone's likely to hit scum in RVS. Why not me?

Oh look, self-confessed bussing.

Vote: Cub Diagoro

Mind you, he hasn't called NS scummy at this point. He prepares for that here:

I completely agree with you, NS. Know this, I will tunnel the fuck out of you today to get you lynched if you start lurking here. Would like to nip this in the bud early. K thx.

And follows through here:

UNVOTE
VOTE:Nobody Special

Post count is nice but substance would be nice. Don't you have any reads?

Then he hops off that distancing vote, declaring that PPP is now NS's scumbuddy:

Hang on, why FOS instead of putting you're vote there? In fact, why would you not, unless you're actually worried about a wagon forming and not wanting to vote your scum buddy

FOS: pieceofpecanpie

Oh, did I write FOS? Silly me.

Vote: pieceofpecanpie

Conclusion: Safety is NS's scumbuddy.

HoS: SafetyDance

Or you know, I'm looking at how other players are interacting with others because there's more than one scum in this game.

But that would be too logical it seems.

Trolling noted.

[SafetyDance]

vote: SafetyDance

Here's why:

Hang on, why FOS instead of putting you're vote there? In fact, why would you not, unless you're actually worried about a wagon forming and not wanting to vote your scum buddy

In this post SafetyDance definitively attributes an action that clearly has the potential for town motivations solely to scum motivations and uses it to justify a vote. In my experience this is a pretty slam dunk tell, so I'm very confident here relative to the length and depth of the game so far. That he did it while already having what he considers a legitimate vote out is just a bonus.

More from me later, I'm exhausted and my eyes are glazing over trying to focus on anything.

You're playing! Nice of you to join us. If you think that's a slam dunk then clearly you're not a NBA fan.

I think (which is why I mentioned it) that FOS are weak excuses from players who don't wish to vote but want to appear like they are scum-hunting to throw fake reads out there. As town, you're only ability in this game is to vote, so no, I don't see any town-motivation to not vote someone. Especially this early in the game.

Overreaction much?

No, it's not. I don't like how he asked "why the FoS" literally one line after that question was answered in. I don't like the early advocacy of a policy lynch. What I do like is the points made by Messiah and Cub. I'm not sure which one of them I'm sheeping.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: SafetyDance

You're sheeping and you have a policy against policy lynching. The irony.

VOTE: SafetyDance

That hop off NS was ridiculous. You've got some explaining to do.

Lmao coming from a panicky pastry puff like yourself that's very hypocritical. You were never on his wagon to begin with. Actual OMGUS vote noted.

Oh and I couldn't really care what your willy meta is, I'm playing this game, reading this game and reacting to comments made in this game.

[SafetyDance]

we shouldn't be partner hunting right now ... (

I saw someone else claiming someone was NS's scumbuddy too

)

Normally I'd agree, if not for the fact that Safety used the bolded as the basis of two of his three votes. His third vote was on NS himself. He seems awfully confident that NS is going to flip scum.

Really? Have I mentioned anywhere that I am confident of a scum flip? Have I said anything to the affirmative that his playing style is 'slam dunk' scummy? No.

In fact if you can find an actual quote that proves I have more confidence in NS being scum than this post:

Someone's likely to hit scum in RVS. Why not me?

Are you satisfied with NS's responses?

I'd love to see it.

[SafetyDance]

I'm rather amused at the backlash to be honest. Popc clearly can't handle being voted on, he didn't react well at all. Certainly reacted very negatively about it, I don't see why I should change my vote currently.

As for NS, I still find his posts lacking of substance. You already know I hold reservations about his play but again, that's not why I voted. I didn't see anything of substance in his posts. Please, look at his meta below and tell me if there's anything positive in it or even looks remotely like engaging in scumhunting.

Spoiler: NS' current iso

VOTE: Nobody Special

I know you only as a god, untouchable by mere mortals. Let's see how you play.

Man, you are going to be SO DISAPPOINTED.

So confused.

Even more confused now.

Vote: Cub Daigoro

Happy now?

No reason; RVS. (Oh, wait, that's a reason.)

Someone's likely to hit scum in RVS. Why not me?

Why not you indeed. Whether or not NS is scum is irrelevant here

...Wut? What could possibly be more relevant?

I just read your iso and failed to come up with any kind of reason to vote me.

Would you kike to provide some reasoning now?

Don't use racial slurs, NS.

Holy shit, how did I miss that.

Is a typo, I swear.

I just read your iso and failed to come up with any kind of reason to vote me.

Would you [like] to provide some reasoning now?

Out of your seven posts, one has content. It consisted of an OMGUS vote that you described as RVS well past RVS (IMO). You've done literally nothing else. I see no reason to move my vote.

There are two players with fewer posts than I, currently.

What are your reads on them?

There are six players with fewer posts than I, currently.

FTFY

I know I'm bad at math, but damn. Even I'm not

that

bad.

Oh, look, there're players who haven't joined us yet. My bad.


Cub: No. I'm just wondering how your criteria work.

.....yes.

[SafetyDance]

@implosion The hyperbole and tone are noted, but I don't have anything further to add so you'll have to wait a bit (perhaps longer than six hours) before you can bounce off the walls with something else.

@SafetyDance Yes, I paraphrase my interpretation of what people say, when I don't I quote them. But this way you can be exactly clear on my thoughts on your posts, so you'll also clearly realise that there is a genuine problem with your posts completely irrelevant to OMGUS. By the way, I don't know about the rest of the class, but I can't read minds. If you do something alarming like say switch your vote for an arbitrary reason than how is anyone to know you're balancing your vote between two scum suspects unless you state it? Is that your best excuse for jumping off NS?

You consider it arbitrary. That is your label, not mine. I consider it valid. There doesn't need to be any mind reading if you can comprehend what I am saying and don't try to assume yourself and misrepresent me. Your paraphrasing in #110 is a gross misrepresentation, whether you think its bad or not.

I would think the vote(s) speak for themselves that I consider both those people are potentially scummy. A negative read after FOS to me is suspicious and since I didn't saying anything like "OK GUYZ NS IZ LIKE TOTALLY COOL NOW, MOVING ONS" then there is absolutely no reason other than your own assumptions to think that I now think NS is totally in the clear or isn't in the spotlight once he starts posting again. Otherwise, what the fuck was I doing in #128?

[SafetyDance]

I'm rather amused at the backlash to be honest.

You're reacting very negatively about it.

Must say good sir, absolute spiffing wagon thou dost have there on thee. Thy hope thou wilt have a jolly good time with it.

^
Would you prefer me to react like that in the future?

Take note my reaction hasn't been towards your vote at all, it's been towards the reasons for the vote and who you took it off (NS). You haven't justified either and/or I'm finding your current reasons rediculous (re:paraphrasing). And when you say the following...

As for NS, I still find his posts lacking of substance. You already know I hold reservations about his play but again, that's not why I voted. I didn't see anything of substance in his posts. Please, look at his meta below and tell me if there's anything positive in it or even looks remotely like engaging in scumhunting.

...I'm all the more confused as to why you moved your vote, since I was

agreeing

with the point you were making about NS.

Why I moved it? Let see:

Spoiler: Quote bloc!

Hang on, why FOS instead of putting you're vote there? In fact, why would you not, unless you're actually worried about a wagon forming and not wanting to vote your scum buddy

It matter how many times you increase the size. You suggested NS was looking scummy but said you hadn't bothered to read the thread yet. Clearly you have been reading otherwise you wouldn't have taken the time to write a couple of paragraphs about him and how he may be scummy so clearly you have been paying attention enough to respond to my post. So no, I don't find the 'need to catch up' excuse as valid, when the evidence points to the contrary.

I don't know you so I don't know if counting is your strong suit or if you have troubles with it but in this game, we're given

ONE

Vote. That's means having

two

votes, isn't an option.

Or you know, I'm looking at how other players are interacting with others because there's more than one scum in this game.

I think (which is why I mentioned it) that FOS are weak excuses from players who don't wish to vote but want to appear like they are scum-hunting to throw fake reads out there. As town, you're only ability in this game is to vote, so no, I don't see any town-motivation to not vote someone. Especially this early in the game.

I realise you can't be a subjective opinon in this but really, if you can't understand my position or why I voted and why I think it's valid you never will. It seems we've gone in a circle now. We can keep doing this if you like. I can quote my posts for days.

Btw, have you caught up now? Because we've all be waiting with great trepidation for your reads of the first few pages, but in all this excitement you've seen to have forgotten about it.

Oh well, tally ho! Catch you on the morrow.

[SafetyDance]

Sorry, prod-dodger this cold morning!

[SafetyDance]

I'm online! Only for a bit so will try and post something that's more pertinent that a prod dodge last post. There may be walls.

[SafetyDance]

Spoiler:

goodmorning, what was your reason to vote for Nobody Special in post 46?

Oh look, self-confessed bussing.

What does that mean?

SafetyDance, why did you specifically mention trying to get Nobody Special lynched due to lurking? You did mention 'everybody else', but why call out NS?

Cheery Dog, what was your interpretation of implosion's case? Basically, I agree with Cub Daigoro's reasoning here, so I'm curious as to why you disagree (preferably without using implosion's reasoning in Post 89, as that came later and elaborates on his initial reasoning presented).

You mean a side from the reasons included in that post and Post #63?

On Cub, he is/was using the reasoning that because his RVS vote might be on scum then that is a good reason to leave it there now. I don't find that acceptable and anyone who would say anything like that is likely scummy for either knowing NS is scum and bussing him or scummy because he's not even trying to scumhunt and thinks a RVS vote can be used without reason for a valid on.

That is why I voted him. You can tunnel one reason listed for your own agenda if you like but I'm not going to repeat myself again.

Spoiler:

Everyone if safety flips scum I'd look to implosion as a partner.

what

Heh, you could describe that as premature.

But unlike your comment to someone else, I don't think this was foolish. I thought implosion's response in #122 was particularly delicious, taking the bait and putting his own uppity defensive attitude on display. He's a contradictory mix of

"Yeah, I'm just hanging around here mostly giving troll responses"

to

"I don't spend every waking moment here! Have some patience."

I've made a note of his flippancy for later.

And like that...

..he's gone

You gave him six hours bro.

...And I watched him scoot around on the site elsewhere at will for those 6 hours as well. I've seen people needling him for days on end for thoughts, explanations, elaborations etc. for him to eventually swan in, give a crummy line or two and swan away again. Now I'm not going to turn into "that guy", the "you aren't active enough here" nazi,

but I'd rather nip this in the bud quickly with NS

. If he's got time to surf around the site, he's got time to come back here and give a follow-up to anything he's posted. Besides, it's not like we're playing fucking correspondence chess. Although there are oceans between us we live in an instantaneous age, of internet and magnets and shit.

You're argument reminds me of someone's, but who?

Spoiler:

Those aren't reasons; what you have there are just a bunch of links to his posts and saying "I don't like these." You're also still voting NS and haven't really engaged any of the other wagons/cases other than to say "meh I think they're meh."

They are meh. And not liking people's posts means I don't see them coming from a Town perspective, that they don't fit, that they are scummy.

@Apozzle: When there's someone who's not even posted once, a mere lurker can indeed slide under the radar.

Still don't like the NS wagon; the case on him amounts to "Kill him because META!" It's unalloyed WIFOM.

Nooooooo, kill him because of 25, kill him because of 37, kill him because of 65 even, kill him because he's done even less than you have.
Not because you can't read him, that's stupid.

And let me break this down, since people are going to be like" but why do you think they're scummy??"
25 is scummy because NS has been around long enough to know that people sometimes do really random stuff D1. This should not confuse him, and I feel like he's playing the "I don't know anything" card early on with it.
37 is scummy because it is completely unhelpful to Town and because he caved to pressure rather than make a fuss.
65 is a little bit scummy just in the way he reacts to Cub; that vote had been on him since the first page and he chose not to address it til then?
Active lurking is rather scummy for obvious reasons.

Well yes, but this seems to be something others seem to be forgetting. It's like they didn't read #98 #128 at all. Points that still stand now. Well, at least Post #205 happened, small mercies I suppose.

Maybe he's still sleeping.

It's been almost 3 days, sounds about right for a messiah.

Lol of the day

[SafetyDance]

I think (which is why I mentioned it) that FOS are weak excuses from players who don't wish to vote but want to appear like they are scum-hunting to throw fake reads out there. As town, you're only ability in this game is to vote, so no, I don't see any town-motivation to not vote someone. Especially this early in the game.

Dumb. Voting is the only power the town has - but with great power comes great responsibility. And sometimes the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few. And I think this is the start of a beautiful friendship.
(Seriously though conservative voting is a completely legitimate playstyle which I myself use; I prefer to

ask questions

let the smart people ask questions first; shoot later.)

Hi Uncle Ben/Rick, I love the smell of cliché in the morning.

DayVigging =/= Voting. I don't like FOS, I think it was bad, I wanted to put pressure on (and it got a reaction) for not voting, I did the only thing in my power to do so.

Apozzle:
SafetyDance: You need to stop using that eye-rolling icon it is very annoying also you are making ridiculous cases.

Why?

=====

Personally, not liking all this, "omg reaction test!" that people are throwing out there and admonishing others as an excuse to belittle their play. If you're not being honest and sincere then you're not playing to a town wincon.

Okay, then maybe we can clear things up:

I don't support lynching him today

just

because he is difficult to read.
I also don't support

refusing

to lynch him because he is difficult to read.

I consider voting him because of his lurking acceptable, because it is generally scummy behaviour. He should not get a free pass because "he always does it". If that is the policy when you play with him, then you give him an advantage whenever he is scum.

Yep, this site in general seems to be quite apathetic to it, no idea why, it's not beneficial in any way.

Btw, a suggestion, if you're going to quote a wall like that wrap it in spoiler= tags. Just write 'spoiler=' in brackets [] at the start and /spoiler in brackets [] at the end.

Or just quote this and c+p it into it:

Spoiler:

GREAT QUOTE WALLS OF EPIC-SCROLLING GO HERE

[SafetyDance]

Hang on, why FOS instead of putting you're vote there? In fact, why would you not, unless you're actually worried about a wagon forming and not wanting to vote your scum buddy

FOS (vote): pieceofpecanpie

So you unvote your sure scumpick to vote someone you believe is scum by association to him?
wtf?
This is wrong. From your way of thought, NS is scum. Then you suggest that pecan is scum because he was too cautious to actually vote NS, his partner.
That assertion is a stretch, and you unvoted who you believe is scum in both scenarios to do it.

I'd also say that you appear to have overreacted, but in a different way.
Within the course of 5 hours, you made 7 posts. 7 fairly long ones, mind you.
It's mainly directed at pecanpie, but it also has things like this:

You're sheeping and you have a policy against policy lynching. The irony.

What you quoted wasn't nearly a policy vote. It looks like you were hasty to respond to another person joining your wagon.

VOTE: SafetyDance

Also, I'm curious. Why haven't you mentioned Apozzle once if you have a strict lurker = scum policy?

"Sure"? Erm what? I

voted

NS for the reasons outlined in the post I voted him in. "Sure scumpick" is your phrasing. So you're line of thought on my line of thought is already off on some beaten, de-railed track.

When there's a lot of posts to catch up on, I will try and catch up on them at once. If you like, in the future I can wait 12 hours between each post and incrementally answer people that way. I however, don't think that's a wise course of action.

If you think preferring to lynch a lurker on the face of no other obvious targets is strict, again that is your own interpretation.

Yours

. As for Apozzle, sorry. I clearly fucked up. Henceforth I shall go to sleep with the Activity Overview firmly imprinted into my retina and I will list everyone's last post times on color co-ordinated charts for easy identification. Because I am a machine.

Zaicon: Could you elaborate on what you "don't like" about POPP's reaction to SD? That's pretty fookin' vague.

I don't like the fact that pieceofpecanpie took the opportunity to accuse SafetyDance of 'jumping off of Nobody Special' when SafetyDance voted for pieceofpecanpie. All he bases that on was the fact that SafetyDance changed his vote from a semi-lurker to pieceofpecanpie. I don't know why he assumes that means SafetyDance's vote for Nobody Special was "meaningless". I also don't know why that's worthy of a vote (nor his later claim of implosion being SafetyDance's partner, which just seems like setting up lynches at this point).

Zaicon, you see popp's reaction as scummy, but don't you also see what SD did?
He changed his vote to popp because some association between him and NS (which is ridiculous in the first place). If he already believes that NS is scum, ockham's razor says that he should vote NS, not popp. Where is the town motivation in that?
I doubt SD would bus popp this early, that fast, so I'm calling SD scum and popp town.

Don't you see what Edoruist did? You can explain your reasoning further but he'll still grasp onto one straw. Are you in that much of a need of a quick-lynch. You appear very on-edge.

In fact, judging by this case against me being your only play of the day, what's your obsession with me?

You seemed so astutely away of the all the playlist before. It's confusing.

goodmorning, why do you have an obsession with SD?

Because her little toe has a better judge of character than all of you combined?

Or she spent of her time last game tunnelling me so she's trying to counter-balance that

[SafetyDance]

Wasn't so easy to catch up as I thought. Way too many tabs open.

I like the Apozzle's reasoning for NS lynch. It emulates rather a lot of what I was saying before. There does seem to be some consensus here so happy for this wagon to grow...again?

VOTE: Nobody Special

Of course this now means I don't think pecan is scummy any more. By all means, rip into me for that

[SafetyDance]

On Cub, he is/was using the reasoning that because his RVS vote might be on scum then that is a good reason to leave it there now.

I've explained this several times, so I'm not sure why you still have it wrong.

Because my RVS vote might be on scum means the fact it is an RVS vote was not a sufficient reason to move it. I think it's pretty clear that I found NS's behavior to be scummy.

Don't see your thoughts to NS' behaviour here:

Someone's likely to hit scum in RVS. Why not me?

Are you satisfied with NS's responses?

goodmorning, why do you have an obsession with SD?

Because her little toe has a better judge of character than all of you combined?

Or she spent of her time last game tunnelling me so she's trying to counter-balance that

HEY WHOA

THAT TUNNEL WAS COMPLETELY JUSTIFIED

Only with hindsight. You still ignored the rest which left HD clear.

[SafetyDance]

Did you look here:

@NS

, Why no vote in play?

And here?

Vote: Cub Daigoro

Happy now?

I'd be happier if a reason accompanied it.

And in my subsequent pressuring of NS?

What you did afterwards is irrelevant to my actions towards you before.

Those posts, were not mentioned in Post #48, nor did you give any inclination to them and where you felt justified that you hit scum. You directed questioning to another player asking their opinion. No mention of yours.

[SafetyDance]

Spoiler: Discussion with Beli

As for Apozzle, sorry. I clearly fucked up. Henceforth I shall go to sleep with the Activity Overview firmly imprinted into my retina and I will list everyone's last post times on color co-ordinated charts for easy identification. Because I am a machine.

Nice AtE. It's not unreasonable to find inconsistency scummy.

Except it wasn't inconsistent and it was more of a Abuse-of-Sarcasm to point out something completely stupid.

Exhibit A. Exhibit B (first sentence)

But hey, you're free to think whatever you like if you think I missed something during the times I was online...

Personally, not liking all this, "omg reaction test!" that people are throwing out there and admonishing others as an excuse to belittle their play. If you're not being honest and sincere then you're not playing to a town wincon.

Did you

really

just admonish people not to do reaction tests?

Are you surprised that someone trying to flush out town would be disappointed when

nobody

takes the bait?

No, I find it annoying that people would be so egotistical that they're trying to belittle town just to make themselves look town. You and Apozzle both did it, I don't think its in any way unproductive and if more people start claiming that they were only active-lurker to "see if anyone picks up" then its kinda going to dilute the whole thing don't you think?

Spoiler: Discussion with Edo

I, personally, don't have chunks of time that large to spew out consecutive walls. FMPOV, you must've been really excited about something related to the game, so I called you out on it. But now, that just looks like your playstyle.

What's the difference to this post then? I just break mine up. I want to respond to as much as possible when I can, because I don't know when I'm necessarily going to be back. I break it up if addressing different people or so it is relatively easier to quote different parts.

If you think preferring to lynch a lurker on the face of no other obvious targets is strict, again that is your own interpretation.

Yours

. As for Apozzle, sorry. I clearly fucked up. Henceforth I shall go to sleep with the Activity Overview firmly imprinted into my retina and I will list everyone's last post times on color co-ordinated charts for easy identification. Because I am a machine.

I assumed you had a strict policy because of the way you were treating NS. If you were targeting one lurker, why not the other?
I'm confused by the rest of the paragraph, though. It appears to be sarcasm, but I'm not sure what the purpose of it is.

Very astute, at least you picked it up better than Beli did but he's rather set in his byzantine ways so we can forgive him there. I mentioned NS specifically for reasons already outlined and the point of the sarcasm is just because I mentioned I don't like lurking doesn't mean I'm going to turn into some damn computer and Lurker-Cop everyone in every single post/24hrs of the game when they don't post. Everyone has reasons for periods of inactivity, its when it becomes a playstyle that its a problem.

[SafetyDance]

So... Do you still think I was saying I was confident that I had hit scum, or do you understand what I was actually saying now that I've clarified several times?

Do you still think I'm scummy?

Yes

[SafetyDance]

Hey all - 12 pages in an Open? Sounds boring.

Who should I be sheeping?

OMG, NOW LOOK WHO'S HERE!!!!!!!1111eleventy-one

I'm getting deja-vu.

Yeah 12 pages, for you should be no sweat right, so why ask who to sheep? ^^

Answer is the NS-wagon btw.

DayVigging =/= Voting. I don't like FOS, I think it was bad, I wanted to put pressure on (and it got a reaction) for not voting, I did the only thing in my power to do so.

Obviously a single vote doesn't cause a lynch, but there is still nothing wrong with not voting until you have a high certainty level. Sure, pressure votes are fine but conservative voting is not a scumtell.

Did you read the first part? FOS =/= conservative voting.

I

think its a rather scummy thing to do, right HD?

Why would you be a good person to sheep if you forget the game exists? Those two things together don't sound very much like a town-wincon.

Because it is sarcasm.

I think the people here are very astute at picking that up.

An actual answer would be appreciated far more than a silly threat.

It was a joke, as I was assuming your post was a joke. Are you indicating you were being serious, or this just a continuation of the joke?

Remind me not to call you when I next need a comedian.

[SafetyDance]

Do you still think I'm NS's scumbuddy?

Depends on how he flips.

If I ever mod a game, I'm going to have a policy of including prod-dodge posts in my prod counts.

Then you're going to spend more time in the RQ than your own game I think

Spoiler:

All of his votes are bad, especially taken together.

Also this:

Votes for me, but then after some discussion says:

That said, Cub's Post #71 is accurate as well.

Actually, I think you're both looking town at the moment.

Here's post 71:

I just read your iso and failed to come up with any kind of reason to vote me.

Would you [like] to provide some reasoning now?

Out of your seven posts, one has content. It consisted of an OMGUS vote that you described as RVS well past RVS (IMO). You've done literally nothing else. I see no reason to move my vote.

Then later I vote for him, and he responds by reiterating his misinterpretation of the post he quoted when he first voted for me that he had dismissed when calling me town, and after some discussion says:

Do you still think I'm scummy?

Yes

Congrats, you've become a strawman (I learnt that word from GM btw)!

My vote for you was when? Post #54 wasn't it? Funny how you didn't bother to quote that. Anything after that is irrelevant, just like anything you say after your RVS-excuse for leaving your vote on NS is irrelevant as a basis to why I did vote you in Post #54.

[SafetyDance]

It's mostly meta, but it's also that the votehopping he's done just doesn't look scummy in the slightest to me.

D you know for sure he doesn't votehop as scum, or is it the reasoning along with the jumps that make you think that way?

Well, from what I've seen he doesn't as Scum, but it's more the reasoning.

Can you explain to me why reasoning that someone would only FoS if they were scum afraid of lynching their buddy looks like townie reasoning?

Can you explain the townie reasoning behind his vote on me in 54, his apparent retraction in 98, and his apparent retraction of his retraction after I voted him?

Can you explain your tunnelling and obsession? I suggest you ISO my posts and try to read them all instead of being so selective. Comprehension optional I guess.

[SafetyDance]

So... What is he calling me scummy for in 264?

I'm making a "fuss" because I think it's scummy.

I can't even remember what I had for dinner let alone a post made a couple of days ago

Maybe it does need some clarification but she at least seemed to 'get' it. So going back a step,

@Cub: It's called changing your mind? I don't honestly know what you're seeing because it's just not there. If you expect a perfect case page 2, you're gonna have a bad time.

That's fine, but he appears to have returned to his page 2 case since I voted him.

See my point now?

Wrong.

All I am doing is defending a case made in #54 towards something I found scummy. You're applying it to make me look scummy for other reasons.

Do I find it still scummy? Yes
Do I find you scummy for it? Yes
Do I find you still scummy in general? Not necessarily.
Do I find this obsessive tunnelling, repetitive and circle logic scummy? Yes
Am I prepared to lynch you for it? Not today.

[SafetyDance]

Asked and answered, 309.

Can you allow SD to do some of his own defending? I'm losing what Cub is actually getting at when people defend others with his mass of questioning.

LEAVE BRITNEY ALONE!

I quite enjoy being white-knighted for once

....and this is about where I've read up to. Sure there's points to address further down but

going V/LA next 48 hours

because unsure when I'll get back on.

[SafetyDance]

Who appointed this guy as Town Whip? Do not like.

Why I'm not accepting NS claim to be more proactive Day 2:

From ISO 13 here he makes nine, NINE posts with little to no content in them before reaching lylo.

Now, he just jumps on the biggest wagon to help it move to L-1.

Please get on his wagon, I'd be very happy for it build. It'll end in tears.

I wont lose sleep other these people being lynched too: Susan, Cub
People who should be looked at more: ac1983fan, Beli, Cheery

[SafetyDance]

Fuck you Cub.

Vote:Apozzle

Claim please.

[SafetyDance]

Who appointed this guy as Town Whip? Do not like.

Nice of you to drop by and let us know how you feel.

Why I'm not accepting NS claim to be more proactive Day 2:

From ISO 13 here he makes nine, NINE posts with little to no content in them before reaching lylo.

Now, he just jumps on the biggest wagon to help it move to L-1.

Please get on his wagon, I'd be very happy for it build. It'll end in tears.

I wont lose sleep other these people being lynched too: Susan, Cub
People who should be looked at more: ac1983fan, Beli, Cheery

Did you just tell everyone they should form an NS wagon, then mention alternative targets of myself and Cub, then mention 3 others who should be looked at,

none

of which are Apozzle who you voted in the following post?

What the shit?

pedit:

@GM

That won't be necessary. Although I'm certainly not pleased by the prospect of a mislynch, considering the way your play has pinged warning signs I believe it's probably best to find out this way.

Because I don't (didn't) trust Cub and he's acting like he's coaching and leading and I definitely do not like that. No, I don't have a solid OMGZ TOWN 4EVAAAA read on Apozzle regardless of others mentioned. It's 4 hours till deadline, are you considering NS?

Logically, mason is the decent claim from both now I guess.

UNVOTE

Sure you wont need me to lynch GM, but consider me on it in spirit if you wish.

[SafetyDance]

Cheery Dog

The only thing I really have to comment on is his goodmorning vote. I can't really say what's wrong with it, but it seems off. He unvotes GM in Post 453 due to a GM-town post, but soon afterwards says that he is willing to go right back on GM due to the deadline (and repeats that when he actually does move his vote back). I suppose the issue is that I have no idea why he voted for Apozzle in post 453, since his reasoning in that post no longer applied (according to his vote) soon afterwards.

Let me help you. He says this:

You being whiteknighted doesn't help me get a read on you or your attackers though.
(it has given me a goodmorning town read, but that's besides the point)

A day later, BAM!:

Oh, @Zai: I try to avoid going too in depth on reasoning unless nobody else sees what I am talking about. I don't want scums stealing my precious points.

How does this help?
UNVOTE: VOTE: goodmorning

He picks one thing on the wall to criticise and immediately his town-read is reneged.
Distances from the wagon here:

I see town in this post, but the battle with GM and POPP is making the game rather unreadable in terms of everyone else, but as someone that would like to see a scum lynch day 1 (and perferrbly every othe day as well), I think I'll still unvote and hope these rivaliers don't distract tomorrow.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Apozzle

But get's back on it here:

I guess that means I better go back to GM then.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Goodmorning

I will look over Susan in the time we have before deadline though, there's a chance I may be willing to try that.

With only the deadline approaching used as an excuse, in fact that's all his play entailed between the Apozzle (who's town) vote and GM.

A lot to answer for I think.

I voted Apozzle because I had thought he was also probable town and the way in which GM claimed made me think GM was town, Apozzle was my next biggest scumread, which I realise I never went into full detail of that read (and there's no point doing it now since he's confirmed mason and therefore town - but basically the stuff I was questioning him on in 378).

Ah, no, there's every reason for you to explain yourself and your reads. That's how we gauge whether or not you're telling the truth.

~More on pie tonight, I have to go

[SafetyDance]

Sorry, motivational problems today and I can't find my draft with quotes in it so I think I may not have saved it. Ugh. I'll try to tackle everything tomorrow

[SafetyDance]

...And Next Week on "HD's play-by-play Anthropological Day 1 Analysis of Open 480" we get some actual meaningful analysis that makes up for him being awol for the rest of day one and only looking at day one for most of day two instead of trying to move things forwards. Rated PG-13 for explicit language.

(yeah, yeah glasshouses. rocks. got it)

[SafetyDance]

Oh wonderful, it's so good of you to do that. You're totally the BAMF of this game.

Remind me why he's not being looked at as a viable lynch?

[SafetyDance]

I agree with Beli on this one, what the hell was that slip? Didn't even compute first time round. :S

He told us we should have attacked him early because he was lurking heavily at the start of the day, he then went later to active lurking and prod-doging after we said his lurking wasn't actually that scummy.
I felt it was like he was scum laughing at us with those posts.

See, I don't get why if this was the case, you wouldn't just post it. Does Cub even have a history of taunting as scum? That seems like a stretch too.

Vote:CheeryDog

[SafetyDance]

Got round to this eventually.

@Safety

I'll add GM and Apozzle to the list of people you're happy to lynch. Cub moves down to watch list I suppose. Good to know you're prepared to move a vote onto pretty much anyone.

Susan, you're an idiot. If faced with the prospect of lynching A.B.S and No Lynching, I'm going to go with the first option obviously. Did I really think GM was scum? No. My vote isn't thrown around lackadaisically at anyone, you'd realise that if you've even bothered to read in your constant tunnelling attempts.

Bonus Person

And for my final thought let's talk briefly about NS. NS is thus-far useless. Lurking, scummy, vague you name it. There is no way I want to see NS coast into Lylo at this rate. However, NS can also be the go-to name for anyone who wants to derail any current discussion. Start a bit of open speculation about someone's post and anyone can barge in yelling "NS is scummy! Kill him!" and the thread will collapse into a session of scumminess of lurking vs his meta and so forth. I'd much rather if the suspicion was cast on people making those sorts of easy calls, rather than NS himself for the time being. There are two people above that I want town to look at seriously. There are also others.

And seriously what the hell is this? NS is bad for town and should be lynched before lylo but trying to lynch him is bad? FTW?!?!? So just when do you lynch an unhelpful, lurking player?

You know what I think the best time to do that is? DAY-FUCKING-ONE.\

Instead let's just lynch someone for half-arsed reasons. That's pro-town play right there.

I'll wait for Apozzle and see his reactions. Would be nice for conf-town to play like it. Curious as to what he thinks of Ed, that's a person who deserves a re-read.

HD deciding to Play-by-Play day one supports GM's theory he's third paty, regardless of it tying him to reads later its not helping any play this day, right now. So hopefully that gets done away with (or a.s.a.p)

[SafetyDance]

Hmmm, trying to absorb this game.

Feels like I'm close to calculating something from what's been said, but everyone's created a confusing web of points and counterpoints onto everyone else.

Safety's #604 is really bad, a great of it does not make sense in terms of town strategy, yet he still is aggressively trying to make himself sound like a pro-town thinker. I get the impression that he's willing to follow Apozzle's vote around for the sake of blending in, since his other votes haven't made a lick of sense. I'm both baffled and disturbed that implosion finds Safety's #604 good. It's just as bad as his vote on Cheery.

My thoughts are that one of these two (Safety, implosion) would make a great lynch for today. Either one would provide great information on where others stand.

VOTE: implosion

Wonderful deflection there, don't even try to answer any of the points I raised just deflect and go on the attack yourself. FFS, you said yourself you agree with my NS argument before but now you're saying you don't understand anything? I think its you who's not making any sense. And you're just trying to appropriate reasons to fit a read instead of the other way round.

GM agreed with me before, she must be my scum buddy too! I'm loving this (lack of) logic.

[SafetyDance]

"LET'S NOT PROVIDE ANY ACTUAL SUBSTANCE BUT INSTEAD PARROT THINGS ALREADY SAID"

~SafetyDance

Also calling the argument town v. town is scum-motivated, especially if one of those arguers is scum.

Rofl. Ok, generally if you're going to quote someone, at least make it factual, I didn't say that, no matter how much you use caps it doesn't make it true.

So who was I parroting exactly? Oh, you mean myself...

I didn't call the argument town v town, I said they're both were

looking

town. So well done on the misrep.

Useless post is useless, although possibly setting up for a lurker lynch.

Ah, well we wouldn't want that. I haven't given any inclination of doing that at all, it must come as a complete surprise.

Spoiler: Page 4, now with 10x the grammar!

Ok, I think this may or may not have been mentioned, but these have to stop. We're EIGHT days from deadline and you're just solely going through day one and are only 4/21 in. Ridiculous.

This is useless, get on with it or wrap it up now and start playing today please?

[SafetyDance]

Rofl. Ok, generally if you're going to quote someone, at least make it factual, I didn't say that, no matter how much you use caps it doesn't make it true.

So who was I parroting exactly? Oh, you mean myself...

I didn't call the argument town v town, I said they're both were looking town. So well done on the misrep.

Oh, then do tell me what agreeing with 2 posts and offering no other commentary on them or any other psots is other than parroting.

And yes, saying two players that are fighting look town is the exact same as saying it's town v. town. There is literally nothing about it that suggests otherwise.

If you're going to defend yourself with semantics like that, it's only going to make me want to vote you more.

Good to see page 5 isn't keeping you distracted all of a sudden. Boring bottle episode is it?

I'm hardly saying that their discussion is town v town fighting (your adjective) when both posts from each player that I commented on are not even addressing each other. Parroting is your definition again, you brought up the semantics by deliberately misinterpreting my post. That's your problem and it's only going to make you look worse if you do end up voting me an I end up lynched.

Or you know, you could stop being lazy, coinciding your day 1 reads with ppp's posting and actually start giving proper reactions and reads from

all

of the posts in game, I believe I may have mentioned this?

[SafetyDance]

I'd save them for our final mislynch (by my count, we have at least 2 more left). A cop could clear the lurker/doc could save/claim mason/vig, maf, or SK could NK them, get them our of the way for us. Killing them now when they could be clear town later would be pointless and only harm us.

This seems counterproductive to the town wincon - why do we want to have the clears as unhelpful active lurkers? and if we can't kill them give scum an easy win come LYLO if they turn out town?
This game may have a godfather in it, so it's not as if clears by cops can even be trusted.

Wow, backtracking here. This is bad from Edo too. To add from CD, expecting scum to do something pro-town that benefits us? Expecting a SK with only one night kill last night? If more kills happen, that further limits the amount of mislynches. What happens then?

The earlier you get rid of anti-town players the better.

[SafetyDance]

Prod dodge till later tonight, hopefully.

[SafetyDance]

FFS, you said yourself you agree with my NS argument before but now you're saying you don't understand anything? I think its you who's not making any sense. And you're just trying to appropriate reasons to fit a read instead of the other way round.

GM agreed with me before, she must be my scum buddy too! I'm loving this (lack of) logic.

Wut? Completely misrepped my opinion on NS, good try though. I'm loving this too, all your posts start with [example of how crazy/stupid other player is] and end with [sarcastic comment indicating how you're the only pro-town player*]

The thing is, you're not. And the more you beat your chest about it, the scummier you look.

Hey everyone, Safety is yelling any sort of opportunistic bullshit about anyone and calling it scum-play.

• eg. No 2 kills last night = edo instant scum for even mentioning the possibility of SK
  Cheery says something about something = call it a slip and vote him
  No vote on NS, FoS instead = PoPP NS' scumbuddy, easy tell, scum caught

Can we hang him from the treetops already?

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Safety

*mental Safety note: use "rolleyes" smilie for added emphasis

Smoke and Mirrors and by virtue of mimicking, calling the pot black.

I guess you didn't say this:

For a start, I'm not a fan of Nobody Special's

"people haven't posted yet, how scummy of them, they must be scum, and that is an adequate defence for me not being scum"

doesn't sit well. Firstly, not everyone late to the game are part of the nefarious scum, drooling at the chaos town have already caused for each other. Secondly, I'd find it just as likely (if not more so) that scum are already posting, just not posting content... just like NS.

or this:

...I'm all the more confused as to why you moved your vote, since I was

agreeing

with the point you were making about NS.

or this:

...And I watched him scoot around on the site elsewhere at will for those 6 hours as well. I've seen people needling him for days on end for thoughts, explanations, elaborations etc. for him to eventually swan in, give a crummy line or two and swan away again. Now I'm not going to turn into "that guy", the "you aren't active enough here" nazi, but I'd rather nip this in the bud quickly with NS (

~ blatant paraphrasing of my earlier post btw

). If he's got time to surf around the site, he's got time to come back here and give a follow-up to anything he's posted. Besides, it's not like we're playing fucking correspondence chess. Although there are oceans between us we live in an instantaneous age, of internet and magnets and shit.

Previous response semi-related. And on that note I, for one, refuse to leave NS alive for LYLO.

Nope, not at all. So where are all the posts exclaiming NS is town?

Spoiler:

Oh right.

implosion why are you acting as Safety's drawbridge?

Whenever an argumentative knight comes galloping towards Safety's castle you're all like

"raise the bridge!"

and Safety can cower safely in his self-constructed ivory tower.

But really, why?

You can get fucked calling me a coward. It should be blatantly obvious that I am perfectly capable of defending myself again you're infantile, asinine accusations you call reads. What other people do is up to themselves.

Would you like one of these?

Spoiler:

Because it's all you seem to be doing. But hey, the more you beat your chest doing it, the scummier you look. You did the same in your vitriolic spewfest against GM between 389-443, I'm amazed you didn't get on the wagon. In fact putting your diatribes aside, you get scum points just for you're bullshit tunnelling on GM whilst her wagon was building and not voting her and despite your "intent" to hammer and with ample opportunity, passing it up. HD should like this one.

P-edit:

Your message contains too many smilies. The maximum number of smilies allowed is 12.

Lulz

[SafetyDance]

implosion and SafetyDance are scum together. I can almost guarantee it.

and what happens if either of them flip town (and since my reads currently point that way, I'd like to see this guaratee have more behind it than apparent parroting.)

But then I also think you're faking your hunt.

VOTE: Human Destroyer

Yep, getting this feeling too. Not only for the reasons stated by numerous players that his day by day play is completely unhelpful, it doesn't even appear that he's seriously read anything from day one when he replaced in....which is illogical as town.

Spoiler: HD quotes

Apozzle (5) ac1983fan, Human Destroyer, Cheery Dog, Belisarius, SafetyDance

I'm assuming there's scum on this wagon.

It isn't me, and I have a townread on ac1983fan. That leaves Cheery (previously town), Beli (previously null-scum), and Safety (previously scum).

Hmmmm.

I'd wager one of {Belisarius, SafetyDance} is scum, but not both.

goodmorning

(7)

Cub Diagoro

, Zaicon, Edosurist,

Apozzle

, Nobody Special, Cheery Dog, implosion

I find it interesting that both Belisarius and SafetyDance had their votes off this lynch, but not Apozzle.

This looks like they want to avoid being on two town wagons.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: SafetyDance for now.

I'll reread the other 5, but I'm sure there's at least one scum in them.

I love that you completely ignore CONTEXT here. So you moved on from re-reading day 1 and giving trivial statements to now just iso'ing the VC? Way to admit that you haven't even bothered reading the thread.

Why was my vote on Apozzle? Because of Cub's blatant coaching/buddying in #476. He claimed, so did Cub and we now have a clear town today. You would notice, if you paid attention, my vote was off him less than half a day after I voted him. Which is all in #501. I gave my reasons for not being on the GM in #604. I didn't have a scum read on her, so unless faced with a NL why would I join her let. Again, paying attention, you'd see I had plenty of targets I'd rather had lynched.

So trying to use VC on me here is ridiculous.

Either you've failed to read, which is bad, or you're just choosing to ignore all the facts laid out for you, which is bad as well.

But wait there's more, does #661 need a makeover or what.

I've already explained why; I think,

with no reasoning other than a 5/11 chance of being right

, there was one (probably only one) scum on the Apozzle wagon, and those two both happened to be on the lynch.

I don't think Cheery Dog is scum because he was on both of the wagons and that'd look pretty bad in vote analysis later on but I'm going to look at him anyway.

Blah, blah blah, WIFOM.

I have a townread on ac...

that I have never given a reason for.

Therefore, one of the two is scum.

It's actually very simple

PoE

bullshit

.

Vote: Human Destroyer

[SafetyDance]

HD deciding to Play-by-Play day one supports

GM's theory he's third paty

, regardless of it tying him to reads later its not helping any play this day, right now. So hopefully that gets done away with (or a.s.a.p)

Which reminds me of this.

Not sure what the hell this has to do with me being SK.

Like, at all.

Forgot this. Step by step guide for you.

1. Stare at the bolded and large text in my quote.
2. Process it.
3. Look at GM's Post 511
4. Connect the dots.

Congratulations, you've gained the power of understanding!

[SafetyDance]

To get it in one clear post. People I'd like to lynch today:

NS - Obvious. Has he even done anything today? Notice he lurked like fuck but still joined the lynch d1? Alarm bells much people? If we ML twice in a row and he makes it to D3 I will rage.
HD - fake-hunting, wasting time, not reading thread properly or ignoring things entirely
Pie - massively tunnelling, focus on himself, largely unhelpful, afraid to be on a wagon

Edo - Backup. Looking scummy, dead town's top read d1, hasn't done a lot. Lynch has traction if I can't get people to agree to the other three
CD - Cooled off his lynch, so he's a fallback.

That's in order. HD get's the vote for reasons summarised and listed above in more detail but I'm not going to persist with beating a dead horse about NS, if people agree and want him lynched then of course I'll vote him.

[SafetyDance]

Wow, nice OMGUS.

I've always subscribed to the "at least one, but not all scum are on most wagons" (although admittedly I've seen exceptions).

Your dismissing of my argument as WIFOM doesn't make it any less correct.

If you don't have a townread on ac, you're not reading the game. I'll explain it when I have more time if I really still have to baby you through it.

(I just read the last quote so)

P-Edit: Except you've never seen me replace into a game, so saying I'm not matching replacement meta isn't even valid?

You're playing like third alignment, so replacement meta doesn't enter into it. You're still strawmanning because that's the source of why I mentioned, so please stop trying to use the Susan method of just deflecting everything back.

"Your dismissing of my argument as OMGUS doesn't make it any less correct."

Does that get us anywhere?

[SafetyDance]

It's SK hunting because he's pretty much using GM's "he's not playing to either meta so he's 3rd party" as his real reason to lynch me.

No, if you think that then you're not reading the game. I dedicated a whole post to reasons why you should be lynched. So you're basically strawmanning again.

ac1983, your town read understood it. Implosion understood it. Cheery understood it. Apozzle, conf town understood it.

But you can't. Hmm.

What proof is there not an SK, as GM suggested? Right from the start there was a 50% chance of their being one. Unless you have information that we don't, that hasn't changed. I'm not going into WIFOM NK speculation. It's just as easy as any other obvious scenario happening as to why there was only one kill.

[SafetyDance]

This is a pre-edit. This is the last time I answer pie today. Having to waste too much time on this is annoying and will end up more fruitless than banging a head on the wall and it's not worth the rise in blood pressure anymore to answer the crap.

FFS, you said yourself you agree with my NS argument before but

now you're saying you don't understand anything

?

Good job misrepping me some more. Your counter-argument is bunk. I understand plenty. I understand that you're not looking town and I understand that you can't read.

You are not God, my opinion is not bunk just because you say so. Just as your opinion of me not looking town is only

your

opinion, one that you don't appear to be swaying others other. That last part is more blantant fabrication.

Listen dunderhead, if you're going to spend the whole game using little initiative except to craft aggressive counter-attacks on players at least learn how to read what's being said. Did I say NS was town? Nope.

You may recall I said this? (you can read all of it, but at least do the underlined bits)

And for my final thought let's talk briefly about NS. NS is thus-far useless. Lurking, scummy, vague you name it. There is no way I want to see NS coast into Lylo at this rate.

However, NS can also be the go-to name for anyone who wants to derail any current discussion.

Start a bit of open speculation about someone's post and anyone can barge in yelling "NS is scummy! Kill him!" and the thread will collapse into a session of scumminess of lurking vs his meta and so forth.

I'd much rather if the suspicion was cast on people making those sorts of easy calls, rather than NS himself for the time being.

No, you got to stop this line . It is blantantly obvious I can read otherwise I would be quoting your posts.

As to your quote,I brought that up before! Which all you did was deflect and attack my character...again! No one agreed with you either btw, again.

It is illogical to say, oh hey this person is acting scummy (because that's what this lurking is) but let's not lynch him, lets get those pushing his lynch. That doesn't make sense!!!! You're defending the elephant in the room and letting him get away with it! THAT.DOES.NOT.MAKE.SENSE. If he was an easy lynch then there wouldn't be this discussion on Day fucking two.

There is no reason to keep someone in the game who is being unhelpful, barely says a word, is clearly not himself scumhunting and is massively lurking. There is no logic for keeping him in the game until the last mislynch . That does not make sense. I would rather have someone like GM still in the game than NS, she talks and has opinions of her own. I would rather have YOU in the game than NS because posting and giving out reads, even bad ones, are IMPORTANT parts of the game.

Heeeey, settle pettle. You are perfectly capable of defending yourself. It's not so much a defence though, as an opportunity to flex your counter-attack muscles. Is that really productive? You know what I don't see you doing: taking initiative to put forward cases, or push lynches. Is that because you're a coward?

Oh yeah, would you like one of these?

Spoiler:

That's what you're doing with NS, and beyond that you're just blasting away like a senile old man at anyone who invades your space. And yet, no vote on NS...

People I'd like to lynch today:
NS - Obvious. Has he even done anything today? Notice he lurked like fuck but still joined the lynch d1? Alarm bells much people? If we ML twice in a row and he makes it to D3 I will rage.

And yet, no vote on NS...

LOOK AT THE WHOLE DAMN POST!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

This is even more insulting than your actual insults. Don't twist what I say.

To get it in one clear post. People I'd like to lynch today:

NS - Obvious. Has he even done anything today? Notice he lurked like fuck but still joined the lynch d1? Alarm bells much people? If we ML twice in a row and he makes it to D3 I will rage.
HD - fake-hunting, wasting time, not reading thread properly or ignoring things entirely
Pie - massively tunnelling, focus on himself, largely unhelpful, afraid to be on a wagon

Edo - Backup. Looking scummy, dead town's top read d1, hasn't done a lot. Lynch has traction if I can't get people to agree to the other three
CD - Cooled off his lynch, so he's a fallback.

That's in order. HD get's the vote for reasons summarised and listed above in more detail but

I'm not going to persist with beating a dead horse about NS, if people agree and want him lynched then of course I'll vote him.

By now, people should know my stance on NS. It should be bleeding obvious I'd like him lynch. I'm not going to waste time LEAVING a vote on him if it doesn't get any support. That would be POINTLESS.

Today, I have considered Cheery Dog as scum, looked at Edorist, am voting HD because I think he's playing scummy and I've even mentioned you as potential scum/lynch prospect because of the way you playing can't not be town motived. I'm clearly not just tunnelling NS, which you would notice if you looked at that quote you so conveniently snipped. So stop throwing back my own arguments against you as a response. You realise the whole "No, you are" thing is something most people grow out of when they stop sucking their thumb? You should try it too.

I'm noticing an emerging pattern from Safety where what he says isn't quite lining up with what he's doing.

You did the same in your vitriolic spewfest against GM between 389-443, I'm amazed you didn't get on the wagon. In fact putting your diatribes aside, you get scum points just for you're bullshit tunnelling on GM whilst her wagon was building and not voting her and despite your "intent" to hammer and with ample opportunity, passing it up.

Oh again, I'm not surprised that your cheap shots completely misrepresent what actually happened:

Alright, I want to get a few last thoughts down as a summary and then hammer this thing. I hope no one minds too much that it's not last second, I don't consider it likely that more fresh voices will enter in the last hour or so [...]

Damnit!

People have appeared out of the woodwork.

I'm off to grab a beer now, so I have to pass hammer duties on to someone else in case I don't make it back for the deadline.

So you're essentially just bouncing onto wagons that others have created, while continuing to spew the same filth at anyone who so much as doubts you and ram some sort of pro-town message down their throats. That's both opportunistic and cowardly. Essentially you're setting yourself up so that you can't be held to blame for mislynches that your on because the lynchee isn't NS and yet you aren't trying to get everyone to vote NS. That's bullshit.

Let me get this straight: I saw between posts 389-443 and you quote

509 and 510

as proof of me misinterpreting you? Wow. And still, all you've done is show proof that you passed up on your promise to hammer, regardless of reason (although granted, beer is a better excuse than a sick grandma).

I haven't rammed it down people's throat, why don't you ask anyone else if that's how they feel before you jump to conclusions and I'm not setting up anything at all, I haven't been on any mislynches so how on earth can I defend myself against something that hasn't happened?

Others have said more about this as well and it's all valid too. Listen. Read. Process.

Aaargh

[SafetyDance]

Listen dunderhead

,


That's what you're doing with NS, and beyond that you're just blasting away

like a senile old man

at anyone who invades your space. And yet, no vote on NS...

So you're essentially just bouncing onto wagons that others have created, while continuing to

spew the same filth

at anyone who so much as doubts you and ram some sort of pro-town message down their throats. That's both opportunistic

and cowardly

.

@Mod If pie continues along these lines I wish for you to consider rule 4 please. Thanks

4) Don't be a jerk to the other players. I'll give you a warning if you get out of hand but continued breaking of this or any other rule will result in either a force-replace or modkill.

[SafetyDance]

Great, so we're all on the same page now. 5 days till deadline so let's move on?

Votecount #17

Edosurist (3) Zaicon, implosion, ac1983fan
Belisarius (2) Edosurist, Cheery Dog
SafetyDance (2) pieceofpecanpie, Human Destroyer
Human Destroyer(2) SafetyDance, Apozzle
Cheery Dog (1) Belisarius
ac1983fan (1) Nobody Special
implosion (0)
pieceofpecanpie (0)
Apozzle (0)
Nobody Special (0)
Zaicon (0)
Not Voting: Nobody!

With 11 alive, it takes 6 to lynch!

Deadline: March 26th 9:00pm EST

Can I suggest now, since we have 6 wagons, people on single ones move off onto one of the others so we know where these people stand?

Wouldn't mind seeing more from Zaicon, who's barely passed his day1 posting and ac1983fan. Oh, conf town being more active nearer to deadline too would help

[SafetyDance]

***Warning! Post About Nobody Special!***

NS Watch ~ Day 2 play:

Spoiler: Pointless post, no substance

I have a scum-finding record of about 1-7 (that is, out of the last 3-4 games, I've correctly found 1 scum).

Is this that new-fangled New Math I've been hearing so much about?

Spoiler: Support for HD

Although really, I was expecting to be the

first

to defend HD's action here, not the

only

one.

You aren't the only one. I, too, appreciate his effort. (Spoiler tags would be nice, though. More aesthetically pleasing.)

And, ac1983fan..... overreact much?

Spoiler: semantics

And, ac1983fan..... overreact much?

Overreact how? I merely explained why HD's method of catching up is unhelpful.

He did not post

literally every single post.

Spoiler: more support for HD's wall

WHO CARES

YOU COULD IGNORE THEM IF YOU CHOSE

Spoiler: now decides to read

I have literally no idea who to vote for. I guess I'll have to go back and read Day One.

Again.

Spoiler: Votes

Vote: ac1983fan

ac1983fan: Same as before.

Which is incidentally:

unvote

Vote: ac1983fan

A whole lotta banging on the keyboard and almost no substance. Amazing, really.

So ac1983fan, top scumspect yet interestingly...

Spoiler:

It isn't me, and I have a townread on ac1983fan.

If you don't have a townread on ac, you're not reading the game.

This, this, and this really stuck out as genuine scumhunting posts.

...

I really hope you didn't expect more, because that's all I really have (and all I really need)

We have this major discrepancy between two players.

HD, NS claims to have read the thread and now thinks your town read is scum. Why aren't you even talking about him?

Also, anyone remember this?

Spoiler: day 2 play 'promise'

I don't usually get much of substance done during Day One. I get better on Day Two, after a couple flips.

Here's how it usually happens: Someone miraculously outshines me in the scummy behavior department on Day One, and I get much more active and substantial from Day Two forward. Unless I become Super Townie, I am usually lynched or nightkilled before LyLo.

Generally, if I make it to LyLo alive, I'm either previously-confirmed town or scum.

Have you seen it come to fruition today? Oh and I completely missed that last sentence I think before, which is blatantly wrong

[SafetyDance]

I used Wagon Analysis without a scumflip and found the SK and a Maf in my first town game. \o/ SK won though /o\ I concur about your (CD) thought on HD's view though. Day 2 its rather pointless with a small sample size. Look at it to notice trends but I don't think you can use it effectively without anymore flips. Also helps to read the thread rather than just relying on the mod's iso.

Very annoyed about Ed's V/LA. I mean, if you're going to be away and you're the (equal) biggest wagon at the moment 2-3 days from deadline, as town why would you not give a final set of reads for the day (however brief/simple) or at least try and defend yourself against a potential lynch?

If it's "blatantly wrong" then you have a weird definition of "generally."

True, but it's an obvious example of you making it and not being confirmed-town. Plus it was on the front of my mind. Oh and I never linked that game before (I think?) which I thought I had, so at least people know where I'm coming from. 2 stones with one bird.

HD, NS claims to have read the thread and now thinks your town read is scum. Why aren't you even talking about him?

He's NS, I doubt he's reading the thread despite what he says

And that clears him?

[SafetyDance]

Done.

Vote: Nobody Special

[SafetyDance]

I'd save them for our final mislynch (by my count, we have at least 2 more left)

. A cop could clear the lurker/doc could save/claim mason/vig, maf, or SK could NK them, get them our of the way for us. Killing them now when they could be clear town later would be pointless and only harm us.

I remembered this as coming out of the mouth of pie >.< No wonder I couldn't find it in his iso. So pretty much all this here:

Spoiler:

It is illogical to say, oh hey this person is acting scummy (because that's what this lurking is) but let's not lynch him, lets get those pushing his lynch. That doesn't make sense!!!! You're defending the elephant in the room and letting him get away with it! THAT.DOES.NOT.MAKE.SENSE. If he was an easy lynch then there wouldn't be this discussion on Day fucking two.

There is no reason to keep someone in the game who is being unhelpful, barely says a word, is clearly not himself scumhunting and is massively lurking. There is no logic for keeping him in the game until the last mislynch . That does not make sense. I would rather have someone like GM still in the game than NS, she talks and has opinions of her own. I would rather have YOU in the game than NS because posting and giving out reads, even bad ones, are IMPORTANT parts of the game.

Applies to you too.

[SafetyDance]

I can follow implosion's line-of-thought a lot easier than I can yours.

So implosion, beli, willing to vote NS now? One more as well and that's L-1. Wait a day for a claim then Apozzle can hammer if he's not satisfied? That should take us to deadline.

APOZZLE PLEASE TALK MORE

. This is your stage, use it. Do it for Cub.

[SafetyDance]

Claim now then.

And we wait for replacement.

[SafetyDance]

His claim basically means that scum have a RB too. Straight up WIFOM. If he is a town PR then wtf play this way? Or better yet, why not use your power? GM dead, two masons, plus yourself, that's in 1/9 chance of hitting killing scum, a lot better than 1/11 if it was just a lynch and no other claims.

Still, if you think having him around another day would help, back to HD

Vote: HumanDestroyer

[SafetyDance]

His claim basically means that scum have a RB too. Straight up WIFOM. If he is a town PR then wtf play this way? Or better yet, why not use your power? GM dead, two masons, plus yourself, that's in 1/9 chance of hitting killing scum, a lot better than 1/11 if it was just a lynch and no other claims.

Still, if you think having him around another day would help, back to HD

Vote: HumanDestroyer

If he was scum, why not use his power because, by the same reasoning, he might hit a town PR? He could make a defensible argument for using it on most people.

If he was scum why play this way? It has not just been active lurking today. It is straight up anti-playing.

The WIFOMness is kind of my point: no way right now to judge the veracity of the claim, and my personal opinion is that the risk may outweigh the benefits at this time. I choose the tactical lynch - the lynch that I believe benefits town the most - and I do not feel NS is the tactical lynch. That is my opinion. If people do not agree with it I would rather they do not change your vote - the fact that I am confirmed town does not make me right.

It's fine, if worst case scenario happens and we lynch town, then tomorrow he has to go regardless because no one is going to want him at lylo and we find out one way or another then.

So that's why I changed back to HD.

ac1983 fan

What was up with suggesting other lynches with less than an hour to go day one? That seems completely forced to me, particularly considering how often we were discussing how little time there was left. He also started in with this "worst at mafia" bit today.

Goodmorning seemed way to town to me, I wasn't sure exactly how much time was left in day one when i made that post. Also I mean can't I acknowledge my poor play? Like you can check out these other posts where I also acknowledged my poor play in other games. I honestly have no idea what I'm doing as scum or town and I do try and occasionally I have fun but mostly I just suck and suck s'more.

--
I think I'll go back on VOTE: Edosurist until a better option presents itself in my mind. I am very highly certain that my hypothesis in my prior post about at LEAST one of Edosurist, Belisarius, SafetyDance, and Human Destroyer is scum. HD could be a good second choice from that group however.

You're useless but you're not going to replace out too are you?

Would you consider moving your vote to HD now? Beli doesn't want to lynch Edo, but isn't against a HD lynch.

@SD:

I but acquiesced to a NS lynch; claim notwithstanding I neither support nor oppose it, and will no longer spam up this game with a profitless defence of a player who will not consent to defend himself

I don't really understand this but ok.

Also I mean can't I acknowledge my poor play? Like you can check out these other posts where I also acknowledged my poor play in other games. I honestly have no idea what I'm doing as scum or town and I do try and occasionally I have fun but mostly I just suck and suck s'more.

Methinks I liked thee better when thou wert trying to kill

thyself

.

This really is appeal to failure

Fixed that for you. You character-slipped. Oh, and I prefer Whiskey.

[SafetyDance]

You're useless but you're not going to replace out too are you?

Would you consider moving your vote to HD now? Beli doesn't want to lynch Edo, but isn't against a HD lynch.

The only way I'm ever going to get any better is by actually trying, right?

And it doesn't really matter to me what Beli wants? Just because I think he's likely town doesn't mean I'm going to follow his reasoning, but I'd be more than happy to switch to Human Destroyer

if the deadline approaches and we're in danger of a no lynch.

That'd be the point seeing as we still have 6 wagons and deadline is now n-days away. (can happen anytime)

[SafetyDance]

---

NS's claim cannot be confirmed easily. If there is even one more PR, then scum have a roleblocker. The only thing that would even give us an idea of whether NS is telling the truth is if we kill that particular scum, or if he roleblocks his way into giving us scum to lynch.

If we lynch him and he flips scum, it might give us some information (focused mainly around people who were defending him because of meta during day one). If we lynch him and he flips town, we just killed a PR and it tells us relatively little because he interacted very little (and the meta argument becomes null at that point). The only thing we will have is wagon analysis.

While I can see how this could be a scum gambit, I feel more as if I would rather give him the benefit of the doubt for another day.

On the other hand, players like HD and Beli have had relatively more interaction with everyone. I believe that their flips will tell us a lot more.

[SafetyDance]

Which is why if we don't get any successful flips today/tonight we lynch him tomorrow to remove him from the MYLO/LYLO equation.

Apozzle =/= Guderian

[SafetyDance]

Implosion, if he's not lying then we lose a PR that could be used during the night to positive effect to TOWN. It's not like he's sole scum.

As I mentioned, if worst case scenario happens, then he's going to be gone tomorrow anyway (imo) simply to prevent any wifom at lylo. Which is why I can understand what Apozzle is saying.

I don't understand either, how Implosion is definitely pushing a mislynch or deserves a vote just for wanting one of his top scum reads lynched. Trying to create another wagon now IS scummy, imo, it's not really helping getting a consensus.

[SafetyDance]

That'd be the point seeing as we still have 6 wagons and deadline is now n-days away. (can happen anytime)

Presumably the mod would give us a minimum of 24 hours notice once the deadline is unsuspended.
Your point is taken; however, it should be noted that I am currently voting for the "strongest" wagon, and that our town clear as well as POPC and Beli haven't voted.

Yes, and one of those has voted for HD in the past and the other isn't against it. The odd one out is a maverick and I'm done trying to understand his reasonings.

He hasn't posted in game for other 3 days and is very active on site. Ergo, active lurking now. This close (past) deadline? I'm more comfortable lynching him now.

I'm just trying to drum up support for who I think should be lynched, since now it looks like we aren't voting NS. I'm not liking that for a lot of the day we've had 5-6 wagons. It's definitely feels contrived. And we don't

have

to wait for a deadline to get a lynch through, just a consensus.

@Mod maybe bump the replacement request?

[SafetyDance]

I don't understand either, how Implosion is definitely pushing a mislynch or deserves a vote just for wanting one of his top scum reads lynched. Trying to create another wagon now IS scummy, imo, it's not really helping getting a consensus.

Oh and implosion

is

helping get a consensus? Keeping his vote on NS now is a bogus move, regardless of whether he still thinks NS is scummy. I certainly haven't cleared NS, I don't know if you have, but at least we - along with others - have stopped being on the wagon despite previous judgement, because the PR claim is telling us it's best to lynch elsewhere.

I haven't tried to create a wagon, it's not like I asked implosion to do scummy things, I've just reacted to the build up of actions from him that I've noted as scummy.

Making a case for staying on NS =/= creating another wagon. If he switches and votes for say, you, then yes, that's not really helping either.

VOTE: Belisarius

Case summary incoming.

Spoiler:

...and yes NS, that would mean you too giving reads and scum hunting even a bit. You're not really US or yourself any favor just doing SFA except voting ac1983 and claiming.

Looking at VC etc, the most popular lynchees outside yourself are Implosion, Edosurist, Belisarius and HD. Form and give an opinion on all of them please. Or even all of us. But baby steps, wouldn't want to over burden you you or anything.

[SafetyDance]

It wasn't a request. "Case incoming". Means you had something tangible. If you didn't write it up, if you have no case....well, it's just another nail in the coffin to your credibility.

[SafetyDance]

Implosion, if he's not lying then we lose a PR that could be used during the night to positive effect to TOWN. It's not like he's sole scum.

three things.

Number one. If he IS lying then we KILL a pr that could be used during the night to NEGATIVE effect to TOWN.
Number two. We can't just go around being afraid to lynch people because we're afraid they're going to be a power role.
Number three. NS provides very, very little benefit to the town at all - sure, he could roleblock, but we're in odds (odd number of players alive during the day) - scum can, if they so desire, simply no-kill and his roleblock would be made essentially useless, and he'd likely be lynched the next day.

1) To-may-to, to-mah-to. Most of us are saying one, you are saying the other. We're playing cautiously, you'd prefer to be reckless. Yes, he could be a scum RB, it was mentioned a couple of times but why take the chance IF he's town? It leaves us on a wing and a prayer with the other side holding all the chips.
2) It's not being afraid, it's postponing till tomorrow at worst case scenario. I'm certainly not afraid to lynch him. The fact he claimed RB makes me more comfortable to lynch him over a doc/cop claim.
3) I don't disagree with the start of this but the rest is just pre-nk spec. It's just as bad as pop in #789.

I don't understand either, how Implosion is definitely pushing a mislynch or deserves a vote just for wanting one of his top scum reads lynched. Trying to create another wagon now IS scummy, imo, it's not really helping getting a consensus.

It's not like I'm trying to create a wagon out of thin air. I'm trying to explain why people were stupid for jumping off of it in the first place. Any benefit to the town is nominal, especially if we're just going to wind up saying "we'll lynch him later anyway."

That's what I'm getting at. You're at least being consistent and can follow your line of thought.

Look, if you can get/convince at least two other people to hop back on, then I'll join him. Otherwise, I think you should consider HD.

[SafetyDance]

'm advocating that we lynch someone who i think is scum.

What the Christ? The push on NS remains essentially a policy lynch.

Let's hear a real case for NS as scum.

I did make a case against him. You obviously missed it.

And voting someone for lurking is not a policy lynch, it's a valid reason. Lurking can be a strategy used by scum and therefore a tell. If you don't lynch because of it, or at the least consider it a point towards why they could be scum, you're essentially letting people get away with it and giving scum more opportunity to hide.

Prod dodge.

Will get to this in the morning.

For now, I'm quite comfortable with a SafetyDance vote.

I'm sure my first game was only seven hundred and some posts

...oh wait, that was just day one. Sorry; my bad.

[SafetyDance]

~Thurhame, read the next 4-5 pages and then skip to the end to about ~27 onwards. Give reads, vote then read the rest during the night. Sorta what i did last game I replaced in and had to make a decision quick.

And ffs, why are people here happy with going towards a NL? This is |________________________________________________________| this much worse than lynching a PR.

HD atm, is no better than NS now. Goes awol for 4 days, including over the actual deadline and then comes back to just spec-fill and leave his vote.

[SafetyDance]

And ffs, why are people here happy with going towards a NL? This is |________________________________________________________| this much worse than lynching a PR.

No, lynching a town PR is FAR worse than a no lynch.

HD atm, is no better than NS now. Goes awol for 4 days, including over the actual deadline and then comes back to just spec-fill and leave his vote.

"OMG he was lurking and came back and just left his vote on me WTF SCUM!!!"

"I can't be bothered to read anything so I'm going to ask you all to repeat everything you've already said to make it look like I'm engaging in the game whilst doing nothing to help it progress. I'm totally town guyz!"



Why the fuck is a no lynch better than lynching a role blocker? What possible gain could town have by not lynching a target?

[SafetyDance]

Oh great, well we're all town PR roles and so are our wives. Claim: Tree Stump. I can come out with such witty sayings as "Take a leaf out of my book", "You're barking up the wrong tree" and "Well that's me stumped."

Meh on the VT/Vig thing. I suppose we'll find out. Btw HD, GUESS WHICH ALIGNMENT LIKES CLAIMING AS VIG?

Going back to NS since it must mean we do have a PR, as CD suggested scum must have a RB and I now agree with Imp's explanation that we may as well lynch him because he hasn't been a town read nor has he bothered to do anything all day. Even if town it eliminates the wifom, which would be more productive than any post he's made. Backup lynch on Edorist if I have to.

May not get on again over Easter (V/LA for Monday) but will try and check in before the day is over if I can to change vote if needed. Enjoy your chocolates everyone.

Vote: NobodySpecial

[SafetyDance]

This was the whole Susan thing:

"you can call me Susan if it makes you happy".

You should

not

have said that.

[SafetyDance]

I would be uncomfortable with a lynch on Thurhame today since he just replaced in.

I do not think we will get a claim from Edo before the deadline.

I was really feeling HD/Beli as possible scum... not really sure where to go now.

I agree with this. Something for tomorrow. Did you see what implosion posted? 6/7 letters not T. Ugh

Vote: Edosurist

That should be hammer.

[SafetyDance]

What the hell Edo that's you lynched. No point voting. And why excuse disappearing for a ~week with just the deadline as an excuse, what about

playing

? Presuming your town, speed-read if you have to and give us your reads. What a day, figuratively and literally.

P-edit: Fuck off we've had more than two weeks to run up a lynch. "3 hours" is invalid. I'm not going to be around at deadline and we're certainly not going to get another wagon built up in 3 hours. Ergo, vote.

[SafetyDance]

Catching up now. Definitely think thurhame is a bad lynch. If he's scum why would he string up the godfather like that? Sense it does not make.

Godfather/scum being lynched means we can hold off massclaiming for another day I think.

Nobody needs to eat rope. The fact that Beli got a no result, more so.

[SafetyDance]

Vote: Nobody Special

I may be missing something here but if you got 'no result', Beli, why aren't you focusing on NS, who claimed to be a RB? That or Susan having Inv-Imm, therefore SK (although we're down to 33% chance of there being a SK now)?

A no result means you were blocked for a reason.

VOTE: PeaceOfPecanPie
This might seem out there, but notice how he was one of the few defenders of Edos towards the end of the last day. Additionally, he's been very jumpy the whole game but especially day two...he was on nearly every wagon that led to a claim EXCEPT the Edos wagon, which turned out to be scum.

Also, we discussed a massclaim yesterday. Is that happening or?

More on this, he wasn't on any wagon at lynch, two days in a row. Who on earth does that as town?

That makes Susan confirmed Town (unless NS or Beli is lying).

Confirmation of a Godfather means 0-2 T's; that makes 6 non-T letters a lot more plausible than some people were saying before.

About a mass-claim, it can either confirm HD's innocence (no additional roles); confirm someone is fakeclaiming (two+ additional roles); or tell us nothing (one additional role, the most likely scenario). I don't know whether it's worth it; what does everyone else think?

How does it make Susan conf town? What if he's their RB'er and the goon sent in the kill? (inb4 pecan, this don't not include the scenario that ns is scum rb)

[SafetyDance]

I'm relatively sure RBs don't work on RBs

Beli is not claiming RB

That or Susan having Inv-Imm, therefore SK (although we're down to 33% chance of there being a SK now)?

Inv-Immune inspects as Town, not No Result

Oh? In that case he was definitely roleblocked. So shouldn't we focus on NS then since he is you know...claiming a role blocker and literally done nothing to help town in any shape or form?

[SafetyDance]

I didn't really want massclaim this early so I could gauge people's day play but oh well, it will make today's lynch easier, especially since everyone else VT claimed.

Claim: One-Shot Cop

Investigated last night:

GUILTY

pieceofpecanpie

VOTE: pieceofpecanpie

[SafetyDance]

Fuck.

[SafetyDance]

Yeah,

SORRY!

.

GM gave the tl;dr reasoning, if you want the long versions with discussion with others, Dead QT. I think it's all been said but anything else you want to say that hasn't been said, say it.

Oh and Safety could've come and said it was all lies too, but whatever, that would be his derp problem.

I'd like to point out that you insinuating I saw the wagon run up and lynched before the thread got locked is absolutely wrong. If you read what I wrote in the QT you would know that (3rd paragraphs in /m41 /m49).

Putting that aside now, yeah CD, you played almost exactly like MM, which was half the reason my actual investigation was on you. I did wonder when you bussed Beli in lylo if anyone read that game.

Beli, I thought your claim was intentional and not by mistake, 2T/0T is the same scum team, we were none the wiser and you could have kept pretending you were being blocked quite safely.

[SafetyDance]

...Thanks.

Oh, and thanks for modding it Gamma. I'm glad you didn't do flavor for d3 lynch >.<