Open 480 - C9++ Game Over!

[Human Destroyer]

Hey all - 12 pages in an Open? Sounds boring.

Who should I be sheeping?

[Human Destroyer]

An actual answer would be appreciated far more than a silly threat.

[Human Destroyer]

An actual answer would be appreciated far more than a silly threat.

It was a joke, as I was assuming your post was a joke. Are you indicating you were being serious, or this just a continuation of the joke?

I was being completely serious.

HD!

My face is smiling so muchhhhhh

You should obviously sheep me, I keep forgetting this game exists.

Weaksauce

Hi though

Welcome HD. You already have a higher post count than your predecessor. Good job. I can tell we are going to be friends.

Wow, good job ignoring questions asked directly of you

Apozzle, do you have any thoughts yet on ac983fan, Belisarius, or Zaicon?

Ooh a good vote

VOTE: Apozzle

[Human Destroyer]

well this may be a problem but I'll just assume you have some ~quirky personality~ that allows you to openly and seriously sheep people without it being scummy

He probably learned this replacement style from Thor is my guess.

Shh, stahp blowin' mah cover

[Human Destroyer]

Tell me why you don't want to lynch Apozzle, my first impression of him was that he was scum.

[Human Destroyer]

Welcome HD. You already have a higher post count than your predecessor. Good job. I can tell we are going to be friends.

Wow, good job ignoring questions asked directly of you

Apozzle, do you have any thoughts yet on ac983fan, Belisarius, or Zaicon?

Ooh a good vote

VOTE: Apozzle

Actually, it is not. My post was obviously token activity to avoid a prod.

I am halfway through rereading everyone right now - I just wanted to point out an instance of how ac rolls.

A post which simultaneously buddies me, avoids a question, AND doesn't provide content? Right, why shouldn't you be lynched?

[Human Destroyer]

@Cub Daigoro:

Tell me why you don't want to lynch Apozzle, my first impression of him was that he was scum.

[Human Destroyer]

I'd rather you did; if you want to convince me not to lynch someone, you should probably tell me why so they don't get lynched.

Saying they're town for *reasons* is kinda weaksauce and doesn't really convince me to unvote.

I'm probably going to read the game and form some reads at some point though, so expect that sometime.

[Human Destroyer]

I'll give this game some time in the very near future, don't worry.

It might even involve me reading what happened before I replaced in.

[Human Destroyer]

To prevent a no lynch I suppose.

I'm currently in catchup mode in a few other games and I haven't gotten to this one yet sooooo.

I'd really really REALLY love to lynch Apozzle though.

[Human Destroyer]

...oh.

Fuck that.

UNVOTE:

[Human Destroyer]

Not sure I buy it, but not inclined to take the risk.

UNVOTE:

What don't you buy about it?

[Human Destroyer]

Roleclaim: Mason

God dammit.

There's a reason nobody pushed Apozzle to out his partner.

He pretty much outed himself before Apozzle claimed by telling him to claim anyway

[Human Destroyer]

Thanks for replacing into a game and then not contributing. It's really useful.

I'm going to contribute, I just haven't gotten to it yet.

[Human Destroyer]

I'm actually going to do my catch up page by page

I didn't get a chance overnight because I have other games so

[Human Destroyer]

Oh well page 1 there isn't actually much to say

The implosion/goodmorning/Cheery Dog interaction is wtf though, not sure what to make of it.

[Human Destroyer]

Even more confused now.

NS y u do dis

I caught you as scum last time

Can I do it again?

(Yes, I'll read you objectively)

So why did those two get special treatment over the plain "HI"s us others got?

Zai made me /in this, and Safety I mentioned to remind him that I find him readable. Also I noticed him /inning in queue.
I only played with Beli for like half a doomed day, NS in some Micro that should have gone better and nothing relevant happened, and you for a pretty short timespan. So not as much name recognition.

Why was it unexpected?

Because you were talking about NS and then BAM! just suddenly a vote for me.
Were you surprised? I was surprised.
And if it wasn't random, what

was

it?

PEDIT
Wait
Was it a reaction test?
DAMMIT
THAT'S SO BORING

GOODMORNING RAWR

but I need you to read me as town

come baaaaaaaaaaaaaaack

also implosion's acting weird I agree

That vote happened in the past.
Why are you so concerned with the past?

This post happened in the past.
Why are you so concerned with dodging the question?

I could, but what fun would that be?

VOTE: implosion

Why not?

You announced a feeling someone is scum, but you voted randomly instead. It's keeping us in RVS longer which makes it a problem.

Au contraire - my vote on goodmorning was anything

but

random.

So accidental, arbitrary, by chance or haphazardly?

None of the above. In fact, it contained intent.

*anagrams*
right it's just a coincident that your vote wasn't on the person you were calling scummy, got ya.

Wait dammit I don't have enough T. Tents are silly places to be in anyway.

If implosion is scum, Cheery is town.

Remind me of this later if I forget.

That depends on your definition of "fun".

This is true.

Would you like to vote for Nobody Special with me?

no

@NS

, Why no vote in play?

VOTE: Cheery Dog

I will not underestimate you this time...

hey bro

we're out of RVS

why the fuck are you voting randomly and ignoring the very important content going on?

Zaicon can be scum too.

VOTE: Cheery Dog

Counterwagon go!

Dammit not you too

Vote: Cub Daigoro

Happy now?

no not really

VOTE: Cheery Dog

I will not underestimate you this time...

So you're overestimating instead?

This game is going to be facepalm inducing

Isn't it

I will find out sooner or later...

aaaaaaaaaaaa

MOD MAKE ME A DOUBLEVOTER

PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE

No reason; RVS. (Oh, wait, that's a reason.)

NS pls be useful

Where in the hell is the rest of the playerlist? I WANNA MAKE A REAL VOTE DAMMIT

IMPLOSION IS A PERFECTLY GOOD VOTE

Oh hai GM, I DIDN'T GET INVITED TO THE CAPS LOCK PARTY!!!!!111

[b[Vote: Goodmorning[/b]

Because, OMGUS

Yeah, I'm too tired right now, will read through the thread tomorrow, hi all.

SAFETY YOU SUCK AT TAGS

BUT HELLO TO YOU TOO

Where in the hell is the rest of the playerlist? I WANNA MAKE A REAL VOTE DAMMIT

Real votes don't require a full playerlist, (and besides we have had over half the playerlist post now anyway)

Will more people posting change who you "real vote" will go onto?

Okay Cheery is town regardless of implosion's alignment.

Cool beans.

Unvote

VOTE: Cub Daigoro
His awkward prodding in 34 and 41 hints at scum wanting to look like they're doing things without doing things. It also slightly reeks of post-ex-facto justification of an RVS vote, which I find slightly scummy as it implies (to a small extent) that Cub is, rather than looking for people who have done scummy things, looking for reasons to vote for a particular person.

wat? you mean he's doing something over...that exact same thing?

needs more votes

Someone's likely to hit scum in RVS. Why not me?

Are you satisfied with NS's responses?

lol

[Human Destroyer]

Latter is what I'm going with.

Cheery Dog's criticalness of not voting seriously is a pro-town stance to take and, while it could come from scum, putting people under such pressure as to scumhunt seriously makes it harder for scum to hide and therefore would be a detriment to scumbuddies should Cheery be scum.

Therefore, Cheery is town.

Also I haven't gotten to Safety yet, that's in the Page 3 post coming soon

[Human Destroyer]

Not really, that was a reaction test that didn't work.

I'd say we left RVS at 47

Don't care, why don't you actually contribute rather than telling us about semantics and when RVS ended

Oh hai GM, I DIDN'T GET INVITED TO THE CAPS LOCK PARTY!!!!!111

[b[Vote: Goodmorning[/b]

Because, OMGUS

Yeah, I'm too tired right now, will read through the thread tomorrow, hi all.

OMG I CAN'T EVEN RVS PROPERLY. MY LIFE IS ONE HUGE FAILURE. WHY IS MY CAPS LOCK KEY STILL ON?!?!?!

Hi Safety, don't flake this time. It makes people think I'm scum and lose Town the game in horrible LyLo.

Zai made me /in this, and Safety I mentioned to remind him that I find him readable. Also I noticed him /inning in queue.

Erm, I guess I know your town game too so, IGMEOU? And kwll basically threw away that slot, you guys got a gimme.

NO I AM JUST THE BEST SCUM PLAYER EVER OBVIOUSLY

DO NOT DENY MY POWER

OR PERISH

RAWR

ok seriously though

contribute m0ar

You announced a feeling someone is scum, but you voted randomly instead. It's keeping us in RVS longer which makes it a problem.

Au contraire - my vote on goodmorning was anything

but

random.

So accidental, arbitrary, by chance or haphazardly?

None of the above. In fact, it contained intent.

*anagrams*
right it's just a coincident that your vote wasn't on the person you were calling scummy, got ya.

Wait dammit I don't have enough T. Tents are silly places to be in anyway.

Elaborate for the masses please.

I GOT A FREAKING ERROR FOR TOO MANY QUOTES

STOP EMBEDDING SO MANY IN A ROW JESUS

anyway yes please do elaborate sir implosion

im sure itll make you look more like scum

Someone's likely to hit scum in RVS. Why not me?

Oh look, self-confessed bussing.

Vote: Cub Diagoro

Also, time is arbitrary, RVS doubly so. It's completely subjective and based on the person. Null

I think to make this game interesting for me I'm going to have a shot of whiskey next Friday for every question Implosion answers with a question.

???

um...safety u scum bro?

VOTE: Nobody Special

I know you only as a god, untouchable by mere mortals. Let's see how you play.

Man, you are going to be SO DISAPPOINTED.

I completely agree with you, NS. Know this, I will tunnel the fuck out of you today to get you lynched if you start lurking here. Would like to nip this in the bud early. K thx.

Tbf, it does apply to everyone else.

then why the fuck are y-

oh misread that

nvm

Where the bloody hell are you?

@Edosurist @ac1983fan @pieceofpecanpie @Messiah

Btw Gamma, you can't count in your VCs. How many players?

-Counting is hard shuddup

useless busywork post is useless

Not really, that was a reaction test that didn't work.

I'd say we left RVS at 47

Does this mean your vote on Cheery Dog is no longer random?

Nope. I have only weak townreads (on you and implosion, for trying to end RVS) at this stage.

Really? Trying to end RVS, while pro-Town, doesn't have to come from Town.
And it's not like RVS really helps Scum any.
Besides which some people can't stand RVS as any alignment.
If that's what's giving you weak townreads, I'm not too convinced.

That said, I do have something of a weak townread myself on implosion mostly for the early reaction test.

@Safety: LOLOLOLOLOL
DISMAL FAILURE, SIR

"I think to make this game interesting for me I'm going to have a shot of whiskey next Friday for every question Implosion answers with a question."
Totally asking him a million questions then.

"And kwll basically threw away that slot, you guys got a gimme."
WELL
BUT
WHATEVER, I CALLED THE SCUM D1 AND NOBODY LISTENED

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

no wrt the bolded

Someone's likely to hit scum in RVS. Why not me?

Why not you indeed. Whether or not NS is scum is irrelevant here - my point isn't solely that you're voting the same person that you voted in RVS. It's that your reasons, rather than feeling like genuine attempts to scumhunt, feel like extensions of your RVS vote - that is,

excuses

to keep your vote on NS without having to look elsewhere.

Are you satisfied with NS's responses?

Not really, but two things. First of all, I've found NS historically difficult to read. Second of all, I found a better reason to vote for someone (namely, you).

Seems to me we left RVS around post 20 or so.
I'd say we left RVS at 47

No. "Leaving RVS" is not a concrete post. It's a fluid transition, and trying to find a single post that ends RVS is absolutely useless with respect to... y'know, finding scum?

Nope. I have only weak townreads (on you and implosion, for trying to end RVS) at this stage.

This is a really bad reason to townread me (and people in general, but

especially

me). I actually used to (I don't anymore) make a point as scum to look helpful in getting out of RVS. Wanting to get out of RVS isn't exclusive to town.

oh yeah having a vote on someone and pressuring them is totally not scumhunting

ill let you guys take that in for a while

also wrt townreading you i dont understand why anyone does

you need rope

That said, I do have something of a weak townread myself on implosion mostly for the early reaction test.

That wasn't a reaction test. It was more me being bored.

Although it is a better reason to townread me.

oh ya totally

scum don't perform reaction tests at all

nope

not

at

all

Well, the whatever-it-was then. Regardless it's the sort of thing I wouldn't necessarily expect from scum.

gm youre better than this

step it up

Really? Trying to end RVS, while pro-Town, doesn't have to come from Town.

That's why it's a

weak

townread. Still, I'll take it for now.

@SafetyDance: No. Policy lynches are shit. I won't vote you just for that but I won't support a policy lynch either.

except your vote is still random

this is a problem

And I wont allow someone as town more concerned about their lurking meta to cakewalk into a potential 1v1v1 lylo again because both parties want him kept alive. Fool me once....

I consider lurking in general to be a scum-tell anyway.

lurking is not a scumtell

Someone's likely to hit scum in RVS. Why not me?

Why not you indeed. Whether or not NS is scum is irrelevant here

...Wut? What could possibly be more relevant?

- my point isn't solely that you're voting the same person that you voted in RVS. It's that your reasons, rather than feeling like genuine attempts to scumhunt, feel like extensions of your RVS vote - that is,

excuses

to keep your vote on NS without having to look elsewhere.

Why should I move my vote if I think it's a good wagon just because it was an RVS vote? Do you think people should just reflexively move off their RVS votes? If so, what's the purpose of RVS?

OH SNAP

OWNNNNNNNED

Someone's likely to hit scum in RVS. Why not me?

Why not you indeed. Whether or not NS is scum is irrelevant here

...Wut? What could possibly be more relevant?

I just read your iso and failed to come up with any kind of reason to vote me.

Would you kike to provide some reasoning now?

would you like to provide some content now?

Don't use racial slurs, NS.

Don't make useless posts, Belisarius.

...Wut? What could possibly be more relevant?

Your motivation behind the vote. I'm arguing about

your

alignment, not NS's.

Why should I move my vote if I think it's a good wagon just because it was an RVS vote? Do you think people should just reflexively move off their RVS votes? If so, what's the purpose of RVS?

I am absolutely not saying "anyone who keeps their RVS vote after RVS is scum." In fact, I'm trying to make it as clear as day that this is

not

my point, although feel free to use it as a straw man.

My point is that

in this specific situation

, I believe that your prodding at NS is a product of you not wanting to do genuine scumhunting on other people, so that you can keep your vote passively on him.

I came to this conclusion by looking at your prodding and deciding that it didn't look genuine, or that it looked like excuses to not move your vote rather than questions that you sincerely want to know the answers to.

It's as simple as that.

"so hey

i looked at your scumhunting

and its obviously not genuine becuz ur just puttin' pressure on one person

so you must be scum

right?????????"

lynch this dammit

Don't use racial slurs, NS.

Holy shit, how did I miss that.

Is a typo, I swear.

CONTENT

WHERE IS IT

It's as simple as that.

Okay, I understand your case now. I would simplify it further as "gut". Fair?

i would simplify it as a contrived and scummy case

but i suppose thats what gut is, right???????

None of the above. In fact, it contained intent.

*anagrams*
right it's just a coincident that your vote wasn't on the person you were calling scummy, got ya.

Wait dammit I don't have enough T. Tents are silly places to be in anyway.

Elaborate for the masses please.

I tried thinking of a synonym to random that contained the word "intent", however there weren't enough T's to be right. Then there was a pun on

in

TENT to show that my whole post was a useless joke, obviously that didn't work and/or you're still tired.

It's as simple as that.

Okay, I understand your case now. I would simplify it further as "gut". Fair?

Understanding a case against you, what is this? and then just discrediting it to gut, I don't like that at all.
UNVOTE:
VOTE: Cub Daigoro

I just read your iso and failed to come up with any kind of reason to vote me.

Would you [like] to provide some reasoning now?

Out of your seven posts, one has content. It consisted of an OMGUS vote that you described as RVS well past RVS (IMO). You've done literally nothing else. I see no reason to move my vote.

to say something

cub moving his vote at this point would require one of two things:

1) nobody special proves to be townish
2) someone else proves to be more scummish

therefore this whole "sitting on an rvs vote" bs makes no sense

btw, i do disagree that the case on cub is "gut", its just bad

[Human Destroyer]

@Human Destroyer Can we get the abridged version? When you get up to where we are now, will you still be convinced that implosion is the scummiest scum that ever scummed?

No, it's best if you read my walls, they're not hard to read and they contain my thoughts as I go through the thread.

WRT implosion, depends on what I see from his later posting. I'll say right now I'm looking at implosion/Zaicon/{Cheery Dog, Belisarius}, but this isn't fully fleshed out yet.

[Human Destroyer]

EBWOP: Wrong game, Cheery should be Safety

[Human Destroyer]

Argh I got distracted, TF2 is too good

I will continue my awesomethoughts posts tomorrow.

[Human Destroyer]

Although really, I was expecting to be the

first

to defend HD's action here, not the

only

one.

You aren't the only one. I, too, appreciate his effort. (Spoiler tags would be nice, though. More aesthetically pleasing.)

And, ac1983fan..... overreact much?

I could spoiler them.

Didn't get to it today, real life got there first. If I forget tomorrow (say, by like 4:00 PM EST) give me a good slap in the face)

[Human Destroyer]

I do not believe that implosion is a good lynch.

Well yeah duh that's because he's your scumbuddy

(This is filler for the upcoming wall)

[Human Destroyer]

Spoiler: Page 4, now with 10x the grammar!

It's as simple as that.

Okay, I understand your case now. I would simplify it further as "gut". Fair?

Understanding a case against you, what is this? and then just discrediting it to gut, I don't like that at all.
UNVOTE:
VOTE: Cub Daigoro

OK,

now

my CD vote is no longer random. Trying to understand the thought processes of others is how you read them.

This has the distinct smell of a strawman.

I just read your iso and failed to come up with any kind of reason to vote me.

Would you [like] to provide some reasoning now?

Out of your seven posts, one has content. It consisted of an OMGUS vote that you described as RVS well past RVS (IMO). You've done literally nothing else. I see no reason to move my vote.

There are two players with fewer posts than I, currently.

What are your reads on them?

Attention deflection much?

Your content/post count ratio pings my scumdar.

Find me a game where Nobody Special has a high content/post count ratio.

Seriously.

Your content/post count ratio pings my scumdar.

Bullshit, good sir.

You didn't find me scummy after post 32.

Is this admitting to being scum? Like seriously, this post is pretty dumb.

-wall-

This wall consists of a crapton of semantics such as "He worded this too passively" and "This doesn't suggest what he thinks about someone's alignment".

Seriously, this is so contrived it isn't even funny. It's slapping scum motivation onto something that doesn't really have scum motivation. Because, apparently, ignoring everything is going to help...him...achieve...his...win condition?

allowed him to ignore everything for the first two page

What makes you think I'm ignoring everything that I'm not focusing on?

Your post is a bit odd. It uses the present tense, whereas I was using the past tense.

Are you saying your posts lacked content at that point?

Absolutely.

OH LOOK MORE SEMANTICS

THAT'S DEFINITELY SCUMHUNTING.

What makes you think I was ignoring everything I wasn't focusing on?

Because you didn't say a single word about anything that wasn't NS.

All of your posts have contained more than the equivalent of "Hi, I am here." Content.

I basically trolled for my first 9 posts.

Translation: I don't want to be held to any of my early posts so I'm going to call them trolling.

None of the above. In fact, it contained intent.

*anagrams*
right it's just a coincident that your vote wasn't on the person you were calling scummy, got ya.

Wait dammit I don't have enough T. Tents are silly places to be in anyway.

Elaborate for the masses please.

I tried thinking of a synonym to random that contained the word "intent", however there weren't enough T's to be right. Then there was a pun on

in

TENT to show that my whole post was a useless joke, obviously that didn't work and/or you're still tired.

Probably both.

I agree with the case made by Implosion in Post #67

That said, Cub's Post #71 is accurate as well.

Actually, I think you're both looking town at the moment.

UNVOTE
VOTE:Nobody Special

Post count is nice but substance would be nice. Don't you have any reads?

"LET'S NOT PROVIDE ANY ACTUAL SUBSTANCE BUT INSTEAD PARROT THINGS ALREADY SAID"

~SafetyDance

Also calling the argument town v. town is scum-motivated, especially if one of those arguers is scum.

Oh, would you look at that.

We have two players that haven't even confirmed in yet too. ac1983fan and Messiah have at least confirmed but their last posts on the site were inning into this game. Considering it null,

for now

but would like them to post soon.

Useless post is useless, although possibly setting up for a lurker lynch.

implosion and SafetyDance are scum together. I can almost guarantee it.

Zaicon is probably scum too, but he's been relegated to a lesser read.

[Human Destroyer]

Rofl. Ok, generally if you're going to quote someone, at least make it factual, I didn't say that, no matter how much you use caps it doesn't make it true.

So who was I parroting exactly? Oh, you mean myself...

I didn't call the argument town v town, I said they're both were looking town. So well done on the misrep.

Oh, then do tell me what agreeing with 2 posts and offering no other commentary on them or any other psots is other than parroting.

And yes, saying two players that are fighting look town is the exact same as saying it's town v. town. There is literally nothing about it that suggests otherwise.

If you're going to defend yourself with semantics like that, it's only going to make me want to vote you more.

[Human Destroyer]

I'm hard-resetting, this time without walls

Yay?

[Human Destroyer]

HD deciding to Play-by-Play day one supports GM's theory he's third paty, regardless of it tying him to reads later its not helping any play this day, right now. So hopefully that gets done away with (or a.s.a.p)

Which reminds me of this.

Not sure what the hell this has to do with me being SK.

Like, at all.

[Human Destroyer]

Apozzle (5) ac1983fan, Human Destroyer, Cheery Dog, Belisarius, SafetyDance

I'm assuming there's scum on this wagon.

It isn't me, and I have a townread on ac1983fan. That leaves Cheery (previously town), Beli (previously null-scum), and Safety (previously scum).

Hmmmm.

I'd wager one of {Belisarius, SafetyDance} is scum, but not both.

[Human Destroyer]

goodmorning

(7)

Cub Diagoro

, Zaicon, Edosurist,

Apozzle

, Nobody Special, Cheery Dog, implosion

I find it interesting that both Belisarius and SafetyDance had their votes off this lynch, but not Apozzle.

This looks like they want to avoid being on two town wagons.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: SafetyDance for now.

I'll reread the other 5, but I'm sure there's at least one scum in them.

[Human Destroyer]

Zaicon: Could you elaborate on what you "don't like" about POPP's reaction to SD? That's pretty fookin' vague.

I don't like the fact that pieceofpecanpie took the opportunity to accuse SafetyDance of 'jumping off of Nobody Special' when SafetyDance voted for pieceofpecanpie. All he bases that on was the fact that SafetyDance changed his vote from a semi-lurker to pieceofpecanpie. I don't know why he assumes that means SafetyDance's vote for Nobody Special was "meaningless". I also don't know why that's worthy of a vote (nor his later claim of implosion being SafetyDance's partner, which just seems like setting up lynches at this point).

I don't like this, because I read POPP's reasons for voting Safety and it's actually because Safety's reasons for voting POPP are really damn weak. So this is a combination of a misrep and a chainsaw defense.

[Human Destroyer]

This post is also fency about a lot of people.

Okay, so Zaicon is still probably scum too.

[Human Destroyer]

I've already explained why; I think there was one (probably only one) scum on the Apozzle wagon, and those two both happened to be on the lynch.

I don't think Cheery Dog is scum because he was on both of the wagons and that'd look pretty bad in vote analysis later on but I'm going to look at him anyway.

I have a townread on ac.

Therefore, one of the two is scum.

It's actually very simple PoE.

[Human Destroyer]

VOTE: edosurist
Nothing I've seen from him today has really changed what I've thought about him.
I still think Beli is town but i think he's being completely ridiculous. Maybe upon reread I'll swing back too seeing him as scum...Dunno, his behavior really seems to go to both extremes a lot of the time

Do you think a Safety/Edosurist team is anywhere near likely?

[Human Destroyer]

Because he's now pseudo-confirmed Town?

What, you think there isn't a single scum on there, or do you think there are more?

[Human Destroyer]

Wow, nice OMGUS.

I've always subscribed to the "at least one, but not all scum are on most wagons" (although admittedly I've seen exceptions).

Your dismissing of my argument as WIFOM doesn't make it any less correct.

If you don't have a townread on ac, you're not reading the game. I'll explain it when I have more time if I really still have to baby you through it.

(I just read the last quote so)

P-Edit: Except you've never seen me replace into a game, so saying I'm not matching replacement meta isn't even valid?

[Human Destroyer]

Wow, nice OMGUS.

I've always subscribed to the "at least one, but not all scum are on most wagons" (although admittedly I've seen exceptions).

Your dismissing of my argument as WIFOM doesn't make it any less correct.

If you don't have a townread on ac, you're not reading the game. I'll explain it when I have more time if I really still have to baby you through it.

(I just read the last quote so)

P-Edit: Except you've never seen me replace into a game, so saying I'm not matching replacement meta isn't even valid?

You're playing like third alignment

, so replacement meta doesn't enter into it.

You're still strawmanning because that's the source of why I mentioned, so please stop trying to use the Susan method of just deflecting everything back.

"Your dismissing of my argument as OMGUS doesn't make it any less correct."

Does that get us anywhere?

@Bolded: Let's nightkill analyze, smart guy.

If I'm an SK like you say I am, why was there only one kill last night? Why was it on confirmed town that didn't even really care about me? Why do I, as

SK

(keyword: not groupscum), need confirmed town dead?

If you can't effectively figure that out, then congratulations, you've realized I'm not the SK! Give yourself a pat on the back.

@Underlined: Restate this in English please.

@Italicized: It's not like your calling it WIFOM got it anywhere. So my rebuttal is probably not going to be much better.

[Human Destroyer]

Wait, hold on a second, why are you SK hunting? SK hunting is scum motivated in every way.

[Human Destroyer]

Wait, hold on a second, why are you SK hunting? SK hunting is scum motivated in every way.

EBWOP: Especially when there isn't anything to suggest the possibility of an SK even being in the game.

[Human Destroyer]

But you're going only one scum on the wagon in this instance?
There is a possibility of there being 3 mafia members, so why is it just the one likely on the wagon?

It could be two, but I'm looking at who's on it and the order in which they got on it and I see one. I'm not saying it's impossible for there to be two, but I think there's only one on it.

P-Edit: Except you've never seen me replace into a game, so saying I'm not matching replacement meta isn't even valid?

If I may butt in here, your replacement/catch=up style is completely different from the games I've seen you replace into. (and seeing as that was replacing into 4 at once, 3 of which I was involved in somehow, I think I might know your replace-in meta), or at least that part of it that had you rereading threads and not doing a page by page analysis.
The closest to what I've seen you do elsewhere was a "vote analysis" where you just listed all the votes that had been cast in the game, and you were scum there, so yeah.

Oh I'm well aware I'm doing this differently, I'm doing it on purpose

I'm just saying if he's going to call me out on it he should at least know my replacement meta

Also that game's technically ongoing, and I don't speak of that game for more reasons than that >.< (Am I thinking of the right game?)

[Human Destroyer]

I was suspicious of HD during day one, and between his "Super Awesome Day One Reread Funtime", his misdirection, his self-WIFOMing, and his self-meta arguments, my suspicion has only grown. Basically, he was scummy when he was doing nothing, and he is scummier now that he has opened his mouth.

If I misdirected, it was unintentional, and I don't really know what you're talking about wrt that.

I didn't use self-meta, SD just tried to pull out my meta without any backup. The only self-WIFOM I used was SD's proposed SK theory, which was REALLY bad. Also, how in all hell do you agree with SK hunting in the first place?

Other stuff gets responses after school

[Human Destroyer]

This, this, and this really stuck out as genuine scumhunting posts.

...

I really hope you didn't expect more, because that's all I really have (and all I really need)

@Belisarius: Where do I express nervousness? If anything I'm expressing frustration.

[Human Destroyer]

Human Destroyer, do you plan to answer my questions or not?

Wait, hold on a second, why are you SK hunting? SK hunting is scum motivated in every way.

1) Why do you consider it "SK hunting" when the conversation started based on goodmorning's post?
2) Why is SK hunting a scum tell? I realize that scum have motivations to find an SK if it exists, but so does town...

It could be two, but I'm looking at who's on it and the order in which they got on it and I see one. I'm not saying it's impossible for there to be two, but I think there's only one on it.

Which came first: there is one scum on the wagon therefore POE says it is {Belisarius, SafetyDance}, or {Belisarius, SafetyDance} is probably scum and therefore there is only one scum on the wagon? (That was badly worded, but I hope you get what I'm asking.)

Which questions?

It's SK hunting because he's pretty much using GM's "he's not playing to either meta so he's 3rd party" as his real reason to lynch me.

With regard to the last point, a sort of weird combination of the two. It was more of "there are probably one to two scum on the wagon", then "looking at who's on it and their positions, it's probably only 1", then "PoE says one of {Belisarius, SafetyDance} is scum".

[Human Destroyer]

HD, NS claims to have read the thread and now thinks your town read is scum. Why aren't you even talking about him?

He's NS, I doubt he's reading the thread despite what he says

[Human Destroyer]

I'm hard-resetting, this time without walls

Yay?

I... what? What is the point of you doing your page-by-page analysis (without actual explanations), only to "hard-reset" and change your reads (on some people)?

Cause they weren't working obviously, for me, you, OR my dog Blue.

(Ew I'm never using that one again)

I'm assuming there's scum on this wagon.

I've already explained why; I think there was one (probably only one) scum on the Apozzle wagon

Where did this assumption come from?

Normal wagon trends. I subscribe to the newsletter of "on most wagons, there is at least one scum, but not all of them"

I find it interesting that both Belisarius and SafetyDance had their votes off this lynch, but not Apozzle.

This looks like they want to avoid being on two town wagons.

Will you explain this further?

Is there something you don't understand about it? I think it's pretty clear.

I don't like this, because I read POPP's reasons for voting Safety and it's actually because Safety's reasons for voting POPP are really damn weak. So this is a combination of a misrep and a chainsaw defense.

That's not his reasoning/conclusion in Post 110, which was where my claim came from. I also agreed that SD's reasons for voting PoPP were weak, but I also explained my stance on that as well.

Eh. This would have to be one where we're agreeing to disagree. I'm not going to call this scummy on it's own anymore though.

This post is also fency about a lot of people.

I'm sorry I didn't have a particularly strong read on anyone?

Well why give a big wall of reads if they're mostly null? There's no real point to it except to fill up the page with words and look like you're contributing, which is scummy.

[Human Destroyer]

HD: When you got your replacement Role PM, were you happy?

Don't really have an answer to this. I don't look at my PM and go "Yay, I'm town" or "Yay, I'm mafia"; it just isn't what I do.

Normal wagon trends. I subscribe to the newsletter of "on most wagons, there is at least one scum, but not all of them"

That's a long name for a ragular publication, you should get them to shrink it to something more catchy so I won't look silly getting a copy to see how big and actually useful that "most wagons" is; I'm currently thinking it's about as useful as the sentence I just wrote.

Well why give a big wall of reads if they're mostly null? There's no real point to it except to fill up the page with words and look like you're contributing, which is scummy.

Is that your opinion on all big walls of reads, or just ones that are full of nulls?

That's why I don't name publications.

Just walls that are full of nulls.

[Human Destroyer]

@HD

Sooo, you canned the post-by-post summary walls. That's fine. But I'd like to see a summary of your thoughts on everyone. Is that possible?

Unlikely. It's easier (for me at least) if I just post things as I'm asked about it and/or I deem them important to state immediately. I'm literally taking the opposite extreme to the walls now, so.

[Human Destroyer]

And that clears him?

No, I just don't try to get NS to do shit because it doesn't work. Lost cause etc etc

[Human Destroyer]

Could someone give me the rundown on why Edosurist/Belisarius are scum (or at the very least link to a post explaining it)?

I have to think about NS more; RB is such an easy scum claim (because, as implosion showed, it's pretty much unconfirmabe, AND could be a scum RB). I'd personally rather we flip a different scum though, because when such is done we might be able to analyze associative tells.

For now, I'm quite comfortable with a SafetyDance vote.

[Human Destroyer]

Hey, hey Safety

Could someone give me the rundown on why Edosurist/Belisarius are scum (or at the very least link to a post explaining it)?

This totally has nothing to do with me trying to avoid a no lynch

Nope, nuh uh

Definitely not for that purpose

[Human Destroyer]

And ffs, why are people here happy with going towards a NL? This is |________________________________________________________| this much worse than lynching a PR.

No, lynching a town PR is FAR worse than a no lynch.

HD atm, is no better than NS now. Goes awol for 4 days, including over the actual deadline and then comes back to just spec-fill and leave his vote.

"OMG he was lurking and came back and just left his vote on me WTF SCUM!!!"

[Human Destroyer]

Why the fuck is a no lynch better than lynching a role blocker? What possible gain could town have by not lynching a target?

The use of said target during the night?

C'mon, that's obvious.

[Human Destroyer]

Or it's you trying to avoid your own lynch.

Or both in fact.

What a shock: a townie doesn't want their own lynch!

How surprising!

[Human Destroyer]

"someone should tell me who to vote"

There's far and away a difference between asking for cases and asking someone to specifically tell me who to vote

Interesting that you didn't get on me for doing

exactly that

yesterday though. Why's that?

Also, that's not a "yeah, but I'm town" defense, I was explaining how what was being talked about was a null tell.

[Human Destroyer]

Anyway, since my lynch is inevitable at this point really:

I am a Vanilla Townie.

I still believe SafetyDance and Zaicon to be likely scum.

POPP and Beli may be scum if Safety is town, but neither are strong reads for me.

ac1983 and Cheery are my "never lynch" pile

I'm starting to come around on implosion-town.

[Human Destroyer]

Thinking about it, Edosurist is a pretty good scum candidate as well, so he can be #3.

I hate trying to read NS because ugh. With this read matrix, he fits in as town though.

[Human Destroyer]

Oh you're saying that after someone had put those cases out there you wouldn't just sheep them?

I don't sheep every case thrown at me, that would be dumb.

I sheep cases I find sensical.

[Human Destroyer]

Interesting that you didn't get on me for doing exactly that yesterday though. Why's that?

I'm still waiting on an answer to this.

[Human Destroyer]

Wait

Fuck

I'm a retard

I'm not a VT, I'm a 1-shot Vigilante

[Human Destroyer]

What, you mean the sheeping part?

I wouldn't base a vig shot on something like that.

[Human Destroyer]

Incidentally hd's role is possibly confirmable...

HD, did you shoot last night? Why/who or why not?

How could I have shot if I forgot my role?

[Human Destroyer]

It doesn't fit with what he told me when I asked how he remembered all the roles from his mass of ongoings.

I told you how I remember my alignment, not my actual role.

[Human Destroyer]

His claim unless we're facing a two-man team of ns and hd does mean scum have a roleblocker, but that's the only thing that baas changed for me.
it does add slightly to the hd = sk theory that was here last week though.

Going with mr bring right that beli and hd are scum, my reads say the third is somewhere is edo, ns. Thurthame and susan.

Cub being Mason practically confirms there are 3 Mafia, not 2 (99.9%).

Well, no.

But with my and NS's claims added on (assuming they're both true, which mine is), 3 Mafia is confirmed.

[Human Destroyer]

It doesn't fit with what he told me when I asked how he remembered all the roles from his mass of ongoings.

I told you how I remember my alignment, not my actual role.

You said when you actually check them, I don't see your double claim as fitting with that.
But it doen't changethe fact I was scumreaqding you beforehand either and those beliefs haven't been invalidated in my opinion.

*shrug*

If I had checked my Role PM

I obviously wouldn't have said VT

>.<

[Human Destroyer]

UNVOTE:

[Human Destroyer]

Thurhame are you the Zaicon slot?

[Human Destroyer]

There's 5 hours

I'd lynch Thurhame because Zaicon was pretty bad

I could compromise on Edo I guess?

I'm not lynching NS, at least not yet.

VOTE: Thurhame

[Human Destroyer]

There's 5 hours

[Human Destroyer]

Oh suddenly I became bad at maths

Nevermind me

[Human Destroyer]

>Asks for the lynch of 3 players
>2 of them have decently sized wagons on them
>votes a completely different wagon

Yeah you're flipping scum.

[Human Destroyer]

If you couldn't tell, I didn't shoot.

VOTE: Thurhame

Don't have time right now, but I'm pretty sure this is the lynch I want to push

[Human Destroyer]

I'm relatively sure RBs don't work on RBs

[Human Destroyer]

That or Susan having Inv-Imm, therefore SK (although we're down to 33% chance of there being a SK now)?

Inv-Immune inspects as Town, not No Result

[Human Destroyer]

Beli is not claiming RB

I know but my point is NS could've roleblocked the Mafia RBer and it would've had no effect

[Human Destroyer]

There's nothing in the Roleblocker role PM which indicates this.

Natural Action Resolution dictates it I think.

I might be wrong on my interpretation of it though.

[Human Destroyer]

I'm going to assume (for now) that Beli and NS are telling the truth. The fact that they both targetted Susan makes me think they're thinking similarly.

VOTE: Cheery Dog

ahuepfhasiodbnaoiusdhfpgoijdls;zkjgl;kzjds;l;;;;

Beli claimed to target susan
THEN NS claimed to target susan
people are capable of lying

this is a decent point

we should've had ns claim first

[Human Destroyer]

VOTE: POPP

Either we have an SK or NS is scum

Either that or SD and Beli are performing the stupidest scum gambit ever

[Human Destroyer]

Also, Safety can't be scum with either Susan or Beli.

If Safety is scum, it has to be with Beli because we already had a GF flip

[Human Destroyer]

Checking in (still on V/LA) but I shot the fuck out of Safety

Why the shit did you fakeclaim a guilty that isn't cool

[Human Destroyer]

I agree with implosion.

If this is to be my last day in this game, Thurhame is scum pushing a mislynch in LYLO and Belisarius is town.

VOTE: No Lynch

[Human Destroyer]

*MYLO

[Human Destroyer]

Scum team is Thurhame and *insert someone that isn't me or Beli here*

[Human Destroyer]

Less than 4 hours left?
I don't have time to get a good indepth read through going, guess I'll join the lynch party while attempting it.
VOTE: edo

BUSSING DETECTED

[Human Destroyer]

VOTE: edosurist
Nothing I've seen from him today has really changed what I've thought about him.
I still think Beli is town but i think he's being completely ridiculous. Maybe upon reread I'll swing back too seeing him as scum...Dunno, his behavior really seems to go to both extremes a lot of the time

yeah I find it unlikely this is a bus because there was natural buildup to this vote; it made sense from a town-ac1983fan thought process

Edosurist/Thurhame/Cheery seems about right.

[Human Destroyer]

This post.

Somehow calling Beli scummy and Edo "meh" makes Edo his strongest scum read? Huh? TOWNCRED VOTE DETECTED.

Let's not even get into the ridiculous fencing Zaicon did.

After scanning various ISO's, Edos looks like the best compromise lynch (as in best chance to go through before deadline).

VOTE: Edosurist

just under 7 hours to deadline

BUS DETECTED.

There's no natural buildup to this; he just out of nowhere says "lolhey let's lynch edo cuz he's the only lynch we can pull off today!" It screams "GIVE ME TOWNCRED GIVE ME TOWNCRED".

[Human Destroyer]

If I was Scum and wanted towncred, I would have kept pushing Cheery, knowing the lynch was less likely to go through on time.

scumslippppppp

[Human Destroyer]

He's a better lynch than Town, and more likely to get enough votes before deadline than Cheery. With less than 5 hours to go, that's enough for me.

Wow I just noticed this scumslip lmao

you knew for sure he would flip scum

[Human Destroyer]

Scum team is Thurhame and *insert someone that isn't me or Beli here*

Why not Beli?

because you were going for the mylo mislynch and win

duh

[Human Destroyer]

seriously? that's worse than beli's attack on cheery's 536.

could you elaborate?

"This is a better lynch than Town"

implies knowledge that Edo isn't town

"If I was scum, I would've pushed Cheery for towncred"

implies knowledge that Cheery is scum

[Human Destroyer]

No, "This is a better lynch than Town" only implies that Edo isn't one of the people I have down as "Town" (implosion, Safety, and Susan).

If you meant this, you would've said town

reads

, not Town.

And yes, I'm pretty certain of scum Cheery at this point.

That has nothing to do with it.
The fact that you are stating Cheery-scum

as a fact

implies you have insider knowledge that he's scum. I'm not even talking about speaking in absolutes here; you are saying what you would've done as scum

as if Cheery is confirmed scum

. That's definitely a slip.

[Human Destroyer]

Well, it's not me or ac. That leaves Beli and Cheery. So yeah, pretty much confirmed scum from my point of view.

really?

let's talk about how you never had ac1983 in your townpile before this post and how contrived it is

[Human Destroyer]

it = this post

[Human Destroyer]

Okay I missed that

Even then, though, speaking as if Cheery would def be scum with you doesn't sit right to me if there are 2 scum left.

[Human Destroyer]

He's not scum with me. He's scum with Beli.

What makes you so sure scum is me and not Beli?

You're missing my point.

2 scum are left. Your hypothetical spoke as if you were scum with Cheery. In said hypothetical, Beli isn't scum.
I think it's weird that you're cherry-picking a hypothetical where you're scum with Cheery instead of Beli.

[Human Destroyer]

If I was Scum and wanted towncred,

I would have kept pushing Cheery

, knowing the lynch was less likely to go through on time.

This implies if you were scum, Cheery would be your buddy and not Beli.
Why pick Cheery?

[Human Destroyer]

If I was Scum and wanted towncred,

I would have kept pushing Cheery

, knowing the lynch was less likely to go through on time.

This implies if you were scum, Cheery would be your buddy and not Beli.
Why pick Cheery?

I repeat: I didn't pick that, you did. That hypothetical was a response to your accusation that I was scum with Cheery.

Oh I won't deny I was pushing it

I was pushing you as scum objectively and seperately from him though, and that was pretty clear

[Human Destroyer]

I'm still really annoyed with the fact that we had this game covered and then it all got fucked but.

So hm. It's either BMMVCTT or BMMVCCC and it's very difficult to tell which is which.
HD is basically clear and from my perspective so am I
I've been tending to think Beli is town since D2 although I did think he was scum D1...it's a rough call.
I thought Zaicon was town, but since Thurhame replaced in the slot has seemed to be almost "too townie."
Cheery has pretty much slipped under the radar every day.

I really don't have a clue, honestly. Urgh.

that said this isn't really a good post

[Human Destroyer]

@HD: you still haven't answered my question. What made you so sure scum is me rather than Beli?

a) Zaicon was scummy
b) You were pushing an actual lynch in MYLO, whereas he wasn't; that's indicative of scum trying to rush endgame.

[Human Destroyer]

HD, you are magnificent.

Oh stop you <3

(Don't stop)

[Human Destroyer]

Off topic: Yeah holy shit I read about those bombings.

Glad to hear you're okay dude.

[Human Destroyer]

VOTE: Cheery Dog

Thurhame is his scum partner.

[Human Destroyer]

ac switch to Cheery

im pretty sure it's right

[Human Destroyer]

wait no wtf am I saying

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Thurhame

someone hammer this shit

[Human Destroyer]

im basically 100% on it

beli was on earlier and so was thurhame, they would've quickhammered by now

[Human Destroyer]

...

*shuffles awkwardly out the door*

I'm tempted to blacklist Safety, that was borderline playing against his win con.

I probably won't though because I'm too kind.