Mini 1428: Reign of Flame (Game Over)

[jon_h61]

My Avatar is Kvothe the bloodless who has seen, and slain a dragon. He has heard a silence of three parts, and knows the name of the wind. Thus I
VOTE: Venmar

[jon_h61]

Flavor,sir, flavor.

[jon_h61]

is irrelevant?

This is?

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@ Majiffy I like to scum hunt, in this case I suppose it's dragon hunt.

[jon_h61]

Has a mod lynch ever been done?
Would they write their own death scene?

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@ Venmar You scum hunting, or what?

[jon_h61]

OK, cool. So express some of that seriousness. I'm really interested in anything serious ATM.

[jon_h61]

You already said that...
Seriously flawed in that it has no substance, maybe my vote is right where it should be.

OMGUS much?

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What's the reasoning for so many votes on Jon again?

Dragons about?

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@ Majiffy Then bring something to the table. Noone can glean anything from your posts, except you don't need any evidence or leads to want a quicklynch.

You haven't said anything that'd convince me to vote, if the wagon wasn't on me. Worse case scenerio, just say it's gut.

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That dragons about was a serious comment, I think there may be scum on the wagon.

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@ Majiffy I assume you're saying I should be outing scum right now, and since I'm not I must be guilty. I've never played with anyone in this game, and I have no meta except for what I've read recently. I have absolutely nothing to go on yet. Personally I think you're just going after an "easy" target not caring if you hit scum(dragon?) or not. That puts you easily on top of any scum reads I've developed so far.

Lynches are good, reasonless quicklynches waste days we may need later in the game.

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Regrettably, I have to agree with Majiffy here.

Why regrettably? If he's right he's right.

I'm just suspicious of his motives, I think they're from a scum point of view.

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PM's expression of not liking RVS? Is it a scumtell I should be jumping all over? LOL no I have no scumbuddies, and don't even mind being quicklynched as it might be useful to Town later in the game.

@ Majiffy Then all you need to do is convince a few more votes my way to see my alignment, or are you going for some kind of policy lynch?

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A few thoughts, none of my reads are very firm ATM.


AJ 5 posts on different issues with 2 fluff, 1 explanation of vote on me, comment to mollie about vote calling it reaction test, misunderstanding on ANG earlier. post null

ANP Comes off new to Mafia, or at least Mafiascum. Makes a few jabs at mollie. Mostly fluff posts commenting on hydras, formating, and reads. nullish to scum

Axxle Hydra comment, dustup with mollie and RVS. 3 posts nullish

BBmolla 6 posts all short and sweet. doesn't explain reads. no opinion yet

CooLDoG Digs deep fast, logical, Hope he's Town

Cryo A hydra, LOTS of relevant content, agree with his reads. I pray he Town.

Fuzzy Kinda defends me, and comments on mollie's revulsion of RVS, says CooLDog's argument is weak concerning Majiffy's sudden unvote. Asks mollie to scumhunt. Too early to tell, maybe scum?

Konowa One useless comment.

Maestro Vote on me, useless comment.

Majiffy Provocative playstyle, good logical posts. leaning Town

PM I get the idea she plays A LOT, a lotta gut but I'm leaning Town

Venmar Two votes, a few small comments, then complains about people who ask for reads. Doesn't give any reads. Leaning scum

I'll post on particular issues later.

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ANP = ANG sorry

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In our professional opinion, jon seems like a VI. His divergent opinions of his proposed QuickLynch make us scratch our nether regions, though.

In post 79, jon_h61 wrote:reasonless quicklynches waste days we may need later in the game.


In post 84, jon_h61 wrote:I don't even mind being quicklynched as it might be useful to Town later in the game.
This feels to be at odds... can't decide if further VI or cog dis...

Reasonless quiclynches are useless, unless they can be used to glean info. It looked like majiffy may have talked enough people into a quicklynch. I felt there may have been some useful info there. I still don't see the contradiction.

Venmar's placement, his OMGUS comment and his unvote are things I'll remember from the wagon.

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@ majiffy You may be right, but you can't learn without making a few mistakes.

@ fuzzy If scum is likely to be on a quicklynch, wouldn't that mean you should watch those on the wagon closer?

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I'm getting a " shoulda stayed in Rome" feeling, but hopefully I'll learn a lot playing and reading the game.

Being a VI doesn't make me guilty though, so I'd be interested in your feelings fuzz. It's the not expressing reasons part of comments I don't especially care for. My reasons may be derp, and I'm willing to take heat for that. It's easier to avoid suspicion later with a feeling rather than reasons.

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I'm still waiting for some upper tier scumhunting action, and a believable case to add my support to. Not liking the Majiffy wagon ATM. He appears to start early wagons with little real reasoning frequently. I also believe (if he's Town) he'll be able to make scum squirm when his vitriol turns their way.

Venmar hasn't done anything that alleviates my suspicions yet.

Would be nice if people got off my wagon.

You're not even close to a lynch, so why the concern over a few votes. You'll lose my vote by bringing a believable case against someone you believe is scum. You've spent more time defending BB than making a case on CooLDoG.

Konowa still has just the one post. I'd like to hear more from him.

In fact, our hydra has been weirdly inactive. Last lurker hydra I saw was scum.

The weekend just ended, I'd expect lower post counts from players on weekends.

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A hearty hello to nacho!

I shoulda listened to you in that last game we played! Too bad you were NK'd Night one.

@ fuzzy What makes you feel Majiffy's scum, I'm not seeing it. You've played with him before, is this different from his Town game? If he

is

scum, yes he'll be a strong opponent.

@ Venmar You're right, my case is shit so far.
UNVOTE:

[jon_h61]

Call it gut, vibes, or whatever... I don't like ANG's posts, I'm willing to bet his slot is scum.
VOTE: ANG L-1

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He's the mod, dipthong. Can't do that "lynch" thin with him. Doesn't really work...

ITT everyone is Scumclaiming to look Town, going to not post until you all stop shitposting

Ok, ok guys. Calm down. /prod-dodge
Catching up tonight when I get back from work.

not I, said the blind man

*nods*

LOLK

don't like Hydras anyway - TBH the royal we is pissing me off too

VOTE: CryoNudist

Oh hey Majiff, check that other thing we're doing

any other thoughts maestro

I'll come back to it again eventually, maybe

you know me, mollie

he speaks truth
we shall make you sorry

Maestro's vote is for "not liking hydras", and everything else is just fluff. This may be a better use of my vote, should I sheep you majiffy?

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CooLDoG definitely slipped way up on my read list toward scum. Have you realized your slip yet?

I have a small pool of players I'd be willing to sheep, but ATM I'm not willing to put CooLDoG at L-1 without an explanation from him.

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No, CooLDoG, I don't believe your claim. I think you're lying.

Anyone want to discuss anything more? I'm willing to hammer.

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I very much have the feeling that Axxle's play has been disingenuous from their first post on mollie and the RVS debacle all the way through to his excuse for CooLDoG's slip. So much so that I'll
VOTE: Axxle

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I'm thinking jon, Cryo, Majjify are all town looking at CD's iso. I'm a bit VLA for the weekend I'll reread and place my vote on Monday but my initial reaction might be Venmar or Molla busing.

It bugs me that I have you as my vote, yet you don't address that, AND put me in your Town pool. Makes me unsure of my read.
UNVOTE:
Of Molla or Venmar I'm less certain of Molla's slot. And I don't mind sheeping AJ ATM. I don't think being a Mason type slot means he's completely ConfTown, but for now I'll list him more Town.

@ AJ Do you feel Majiffy's Town? The way the first wagon played out makes feel Majiffy's Town. It looks like CooLDog was really wanting his Majiffy wagon to gain traction.

CooLDoG is obv town btw

Could be Molla trying to defuse a scum wagon.

You can't fathom my disappointment when I looked back at my role and realized orange meant town.

Molla says this AFTER ANG's deathscene in 522, so not evidence that's he's Town.

Leaning scum on Molla and Maestro

Leaning Town on AJ, Majiffy, and pm

VOTE: BBMolla

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From this votecount, here's what I see and have gathered. Nacho flipped town. I'm town. AJ is almost confirmed town. Majiffy is town through association with CD, and BBmola is PROBABLY town. That leaves CryoNudist as the bussing scum.

Alternatively, BBmola COULD be scum but I am of the opinion that his voting pattern fits more of a unsure townie because if BB was scum than he would have accepted by then that CD was going to be lynched and would've bussed him for the town credit. I don't know about you, but BB strikes as someone who wouldn't ruin such an opportunity.

The question now is who is the third scum should Cryo be scum? Well i'm going to assume PM is town, so that leaves Jon, Mastro, and Axxle.

Vote: CryoNudist

Yeah how about we lynch Cryo first. I didn't sheep Majiffy because I looked a bit closely at Cryo and noticed that he went straight for Maestro when this day began, which makes me think they're not scum together. Cryo is more likely to be scum because of the CD wagon analysis.

On a reread Cryo said something only a person with a Town PM should know, so I'm moving him into my Town pile. Can you explain the wagon analysis for us VIs? I don't think it's right.

I'm thinking jon, Cryo, Majjify are all town looking at CD's iso. I'm a bit VLA for the weekend I'll reread and place my vote on Monday but my initial reaction might be Venmar or Molla busing.

I'm still unsure of your slot. The first two thirds of your ISO is defending your meta read on pm. The other third is mainly defending your not getting the CooLDoG wagon. You said you'd vote by Monday. I'd like to see where you stand. Hopefully not sitting on a fence.

alos jon you are not really making sense to me at the mo. could you plz give me the tl;dr version.

ATM I'm willing to be a block vote with Majiffy and AJ.
I feel Cryo is Town, but ATM I'm unwilling to share why, maybe it'll catch up another dragon.
BBMolla hasn't addressed the votes on him, or taken a stand Day 2. Except for a vote on Maestro, with no explanation.
Maestro's role claim sounds faked to me. He says it's a passive ability, but I don't see how losing that role would stop Town from fighting??? Why announce it when there was no real pressure, especially since it sounds so important?

I think the dragons are in Axxle, BB, Maestro and/or Venmar.
pedit
UNVOTE:
VOTE: Maestro

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Maestro is L-1 now.

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@ Maestro Why are you voting Cryo? A reason would be nice. It'll let us know where you stand for posterity.

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@ Maestro I still say Cryo has said something only a person with a Town role PM could know. I haven't heard anything to disprove this. Can you paraphrase anything from your role PM that you think dragons wouldn't be privy to?

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@ Maestro I still say Cryo has said something only a person with a Town role PM could know. I haven't heard anything to disprove this. Can you

paraphrase

anything from your role PM that you think dragons wouldn't be privy to?

It definitely caused CooLDoG's death, and is looking useful again. I don't need quotes.

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@ Maestro Does your passive ability help all of Town, or just certain members?

I agree there was "peace, tranquility, life, happiness" before the dragons! lol

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Something about a Great Desolation and it being bad to

hurt people

after it?

That would be bad, that's what Dragons do.

I'm just trying to help in any way that I can, to hunt down and destroy dragons!

I'm the Lansdown Armorer, as long as I live my passive ability allows others to keep fighting

that's why I believed CooLDog and I said that when I said I believed him

obviously the partner is setting me up, but I'm V/LA this weekend so this's kindof all I can offer

ATT only Majiffy and AJ were voting you. Who are implying the partner is? In Post 677 you vote Cryo.

My compromise lynches would be Axxle or BBmolla.

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You're right Axxle, I don't know where I got that.

What I want to know is, he said "the partner is setting me up".

I was wanting to know who he thought the partner was that was "setting him up".

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I think Majiffy, Cryo, and AJ are Town aligned roles. I'm banking on it. I'll join any wagon containing them.

I still don't think Maestro's convinced me that he can't be a Dragon. I hate saying it, but I still want your lynch.

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I feel Majiffy is Town aligned because of CooLDoG's attack, it looked sincere.

AJ has a Mason type role, I'm still unsure if a Mason type role couldn't be nonTown aligned though. Would that be a legal move? Can one of the Masons be a Dragon? If it's illegal, than AJ's almost confirmed because of being buddies with fuzzy and not being counterclaimed.

I still say Cryo has so extensively Town Telled, that he can NOT be a Dragon.

I'm telling them I believe they are all Town aligned roles.

So am I.

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@ Venmar Why??? I'm certain Cryo's Town aligned. What makes you say he isn't?

@ Cryo, did you see why I've confirmed you Town aligned?

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So, the big losers on the last couple of pages (have not posted) are Axxle, Cryo, Konowa, P_M, Jon.

AJ is becoming a nonpresense and that sucks because I have a Town read on him.

Venmar's evidence that Cryo is a dragon comes from his analysis of CooLDog's Wagon only. It is a very weak case with nothing solid in it. I won't be joining that wagon today.

Pedit I believe your claim. But I still say Cryo is Town aligned. Who

else

are you willing to push today for a lynch?

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My Role PM says exactly what Role I possess, this is why I say Cryo is Town aligned. I'm betting on the Majiffy Flow Chart, unless it's going completely sideways! Then it's back to just rational thinking! If we can get a big enough block of Town aligned Roles, we can take these Dragons down!!

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VOTE: Axxle Prove you are Dragon hunting!

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Yes I'll stand by that all the way to my death. I'll only say if Cryo asks though.

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BBmolla only said anything about orange, after a flip! Very strong

FOS

[jon_h61]

The posting limit is once a game day. You better post good to convince me you aren't a sneaksy ol Dragon BB! Come on, gone the game!

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multitasking, ugh
gone=join

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I don't feel a need for any claims yet.

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I

could

post a wall of quotes, but I think Axxle is a good vote.

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Nawh.

Jon, do you think BBMola is scum? If not, who on the CD wagon is?

I'm very suspicious of this slot in the game, yes.

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I'm willing to hammer BBmolla as soon as everyone has had a say. INTENT TO Hammer.

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I'd still rather lynch Axxle.

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I'm really wanting to know why pm didn't give us a chance to see if we could switch the wagon over to Axxle. PM said Axxle was scummy yesterday.
PM hammered Maestro when it looked like his wagon may have went away. PM has hammered twice after I've declared intent.

@ Venmar I'm only a citizen, I haven't been trained in any of the practices that some of my brothers and sisters were. But I yearn to help.

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Look back when he got ran up, and claimed. The term Citizen hadn't been used yet. Also he said he wasn't trained in any way.

We are just a normal citizens of Lansdown. We weren't trained in any special ways to hunt dragons. There is our claim.

Without seeing a Citizen Role PM that would have taken a miracle to come up with.

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BBMolla never had a chance to claim. It may have saved his life if he'd had a chance. He's the only Citizen to get lynched. Nacho was NKd.

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Do you think Majiffy was bussed by CooLDoG? I guess it could happen. It looked sincere to me.

I want to hear from pm, and then I'll vote.

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Majiffy and Axxle for the Fire Breathing Demonic Dragons!!!!

Majiffy sure fooled me with that CooLDoG business. I can't see any other reason why Venmar died just as I talked him into believing Cryo is a Citizen. My biggest question mark is pirate mollie. I've had pm as Town almost all game, but recently doubts have crept in.

So:

Me, AJ, Jon, and Cryo are all town.

Scum are in: Majiffy, PM, and Axxle

Jon, vote Majiffy.

I have to honor a dying man's wish and
VOTE: Majiffy

[jon_h61]

Just got back from a long day at the Doc's, Meat World crap. Will be fresh and ready to go tomorrow.

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Axxle, please summarize where you stand right now. You been pretty absent all game, I want to hear from you. Why are you not the last Dragon?
Consider this a last stand that you may, or may not survive.

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@ Cryo Maybe I should have brought forward my reason for calling you Town aligned sooner, but it looked to be catching up Dragons. I tried not to let slip why I knew you were a Citizen so I could keep an eye on what people said. Like when Majiffy attacked you, he completely ignored the whole issue, which added to the preponderance of evidence for his lynch.

Unfortunately I see evidence for either Axxle or p_m being a Dragon. Hopefully later tonight I'll have a list of questions for both of them that they'd be willing to answer.

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@ MOD Limited access for the next four days, I may have family issues that will pull me away from game for a time. I'll do my best to devote time to game as possible.

P_M Sorry I didn't get questions done in time, I did reread the thread though.

Axxle At the start of the game, I brought up issues with you and even voted you. You never addressed the issues, instead calling me Town.

I very much have the feeling that Axxle's play has been disingenuous from their first post on mollie and the RVS debacle all the way through to his excuse for CooLDoG's slip. So much so that I'll
VOTE: Axxle

I'm thinking jon, Cryo, Majjify are all town looking at CD's iso. I'm a bit VLA for the weekend I'll reread and place my vote on Monday but my initial reaction might be Venmar or Molla busing.

It bugs me that I have you as my vote, yet you don't address that, AND put me in your Town pool. Makes me unsure of my read.

I'm still unsure of your slot. The first two thirds of your ISO is defending your meta read on pm. The other third is mainly defending your not getting the CooLDoG wagon. You said you'd vote by Monday. I'd like to see where you stand. Hopefully not sitting on a fence.

Axxle, please summarize where you stand right now. You been pretty absent all game, I want to hear from you. Why are you not the last Dragon?
Consider this a last stand that you may, or may not survive.

Without rereading I'm pretty sure you're town. Cryo is a weaker town read and PM has never been a town read for me so I'd go with mollie as the last scum. I'm not voting until I go over everything though.

Mollie: What exactly about jon made you think he was a doc and not just some other town role?

Except for correcting me on a vote count mistake, you pretty much ignored my reservations of you, and my votes on you. Would you mind addressing them now?
I know it's you or p_m.

Cryo, what's your take on the day? I can understand Majiffy leaving me alive, I was pushing him as Town aligned all the way til Day Five's end. If Venmar hadn't died I may have still thought he was Town.

I've had p_m as Town almost all game too. I'm wondering if I've been left alive because I

have been wrong

in my reads enough that Dragons hoped to use me to their advantage. I'd really like your thoughts.

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P_M First off, what do you prefer to be called when I'm referring to you, I have a feeling we may meet more often and I'd like to know what to call you.

I don't mind you going "schizo" on me, especially if it's main purpose is discerning my alignment.

@ Cryo When we were grilling Maestro, I said to him

I'm just trying to help in any way that I can, to hunt down and destroy dragons!

hoping that other Citizens would catch it and maybe come together as a block. I wasn't trying to "break" the game, but I did see something that we Town aligned players could use to our advantage.

PM is probably the last scum, forgetting our power roles is absolutely unforgivable. We just lost our doctor so scum wouldn't think there's another protection role. Failing to do so lost us a lynch. I mean Venmar said he was protecting AJ when he claimed, you can't just forget that. I don't like how she isn't reevaluating her jon read who she thought was a flailing town power role, and

has since admitted

to be a citizen. I could probably go back and find other things but I think I'm good.

This isn't a true statement, I've been very vocal about my role for some time now, practically yelling it at times. A quick ISO of me would show a few bread crumbs that any alert Citizen (I hoped) would have caught on to. Another reason to suspect Axxle. Axxle still has Cryo as a weak Town read, but like Majiffy hasn't addressed my reasons for being so vehement in proclaiming Cryo Town aligned.

I think if Axxle was a Citizen, he should have caught it, and at the very least tried to see if I was for real, or trying some off the wall gambit. If he's a Citizen, I'm sure he could come up with a question to proof my role.

I'm ready, willing, and able to answer any and all questions, accusations, observations, etc.

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If you don't think this is right jon or that we are off on something, let us know, but we think this is the right call.

No, I'm getting the feeling you're right, and I feel it's getting time to find out. (For what it's worth, my wife - who hates Mafia - said P_M was scum from Day 2 on. She sometimes reads along while we're in bed. LOL

I was hoping to stir up Axxle a bit, just to get a better read on him.

So for better, or worse
VOTE: pirate mollie

I'll feel real bad if Cryo's a Dragon!

[jon_h61]

I really loved Uber's death scenes so much, I

almost

wanted to die just to read the account of my untimely demise. Uber needs to be an author in his spare Time! I know I'd buy his books.

CooLDog and Majiffy's early Day One interaction had me completely fooled. What sealed my vote on Majiffy was when he started attacking Cryo but didn't even mention how I was saying I was SO certain Cryo was Town. I think Majiffy played his role very well, he helped several Citizen's to become toast. Looking back over the game, I'd have to say I think all the Dragons played really well. They all bussed and distanced in convincing ways.

My only gripe, we had several Town players who went AWOL when we really needed their opinions. But Meat World can be a cruel Mistress.

I really enjoyed playing with everybody, and thanks Uber for modding an enjoyable game with great flavor.

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Oh and apologies to Maestro, I was getting ready to unvote you, but

somebody

hammered right as I was starting to write up the post.