Mini 1428: Reign of Flame (Game Over)

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^ wut

VOTE: jon_&^%$

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He's the mod, dipthong. Can't do that "lynch" thin with him. Doesn't really work...

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ITT everyone is Scumclaiming to look Town, going to not post until you all stop shitposting

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Ok, ok guys. Calm down. /prod-dodge
Catching up tonight when I get back from work.

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not I, said the blind man

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*nods*

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LOLK

don't like Hydras anyway - TBH the royal we is pissing me off too

VOTE: CryoNudist

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Oh hey Majiff, check that other thing we're doing

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any other thoughts maestro

I'll come back to it again eventually, maybe

you know me, mollie

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he speaks truth
we shall make you sorry

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I can confirm for CooLDog that the Town's name is "Landstown"
and interestingly enough (I just checked to be sure) Uber never included that name in ANY flavor so far

so CooLDog's kindof confirmed Town to me know o/

VOTE: Majiffy

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oh, also, I have a similar role to his, so I believe him for that reason as well

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OOOH DIDN'T CATCH THAT

also it is a "d" not a "t" in both places, so I'm not even sure if he mistyped or if he just didn't think it was important

UNVOTE:

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I can confirm for CooLDog that the Town's name is "Landstown"
and interestingly enough (I just checked to be sure) Uber never included that name in ANY flavor so far

so CooLDog's kindof confirmed Town to me know o/

VOTE: Majiffy

Liar liar pants on fire

Two soulless yellow eyes hungrily searched for other nearby prey. Seeing nothing immediately at hand, the massive monster turned and sent a blistering gout of flame into the front entrance of the cabin, sending the entire building up in smoke. Oblivious to the hideous cries of the man's family left inside, it then wheeled about with an evil gleam in its glare, and with a deafening "whump" of tattered wings, tore into the sky to assist in the nocturnal

assault of Lansdown.

tbf I didn't actually search for the word, I skimmed Uber's ISO

serves me right

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NO, but if we were we'd be awesome - right Jiff?

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Mollie, this is a theme - none of the roles have to automagically relate to a single MafiaWiki role or anything

you and Cryo both expecting this is fuckin' weird - especially since I'd hope at least one head would know the expectations in this case...but whatever

also FTR I still believe CooLDog because I still have a similar role to his, but whatever

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NO, but if we were we'd be awesome - right Jiff?

Yeah I have this nagging feeling we'd make such a great scum team... I wonder why that hasn't ever happened before...

LYNCH ALL LIARS

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@Cryo: Yeah but if you knew that why'd you SPECIFICALLY (and rather impertinently) ask for Normal equivalents?

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I'm the Lansdown Armorer, as long as I live my passive ability allows others to keep fighting

that's why I believed CooLDog and I said that when I said I believed him

obviously the partner is setting me up, but I'm V/LA this weekend so this's kindof all I can offer

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^ fencesitting like a champ

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VOTE: Cryonudist

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goddamnit, that last post's timing sucked balls

at least I stole UN's pagesnipe

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*shrug* probably should've said "a" for open-endedness and to prevent Scum from painting as a slip, which it's not

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he's kindof hindsight-fencesitting, actually

defending a previous read on a lynched-flipped-Scum player whilst simultaneously saying he didn't exactly agree with the wagon and then adding on an excuse for finding my Scummy

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then why are you voting cryo who I am leaning town on and not axxle

because he's not as big of a deal at the mo

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I'm voting him because I think he's Scum, jon

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- Honestly? I've been chasing CooLDog around ALL of day 1 until ANG decided to go all scumlord on me. Then, I returned to him on Day 2 except I thought about my hammer rather than ending the day so soon.

Looking at your iso I really don't see how you were chasing CD all day, sure your vote was on him a lot, but it feels like you just mention things in passing. Your vote for him mentions that his 'scumhunting' of majiffy seems fake, you never bring that up again. You ask for some votes on CD due to a poor position on the BB wagon, but don't specifically direct it at anyone and never mention it again. You say that CD/Majiffy is Town v. Scum, which weakens your position that CD is scum. Later on you defend not voting for ANG by saying you have a better developed read on CD, again failing to push that read.

Then all of day 2 you mention you think one of CD/Majiffy is scum, ask CD to claim with the intent to hammer. Then fail to comment on the claim for a day making joking posts. And even then you say we should lynch CD or Majiffy, without any preference for one or the other. You mention scumlord twice in your iso in very much the same phrasing, which is a tell that you're lying about what you think of him.

What claim are you talking about here anyway?

I don't know what to think. I still have bad vibes from CooLDog from his Day 1 claim but for some reason... i just don't know.... gut?

It feels like you wanted to seem like you're suspicious of scum without really pushing the lynch to potentially get credit if he does eventually flip, or maybe you get lynched and we'll think he's town since your vote was parked on him most of Day 1. A reread just makes you seem like a likely partner to me.

Vote: Venmar

I'd prefer this to a Maestro lynch, but I'll hammer Maestro if I get no support.

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When I flip Armorer, look at Jiffy for advocating my mislynch, look at Molla for harping about "missing something" and "rereading" without moving his vote in his uncertainty, Axxle is still putting on a show of being uncertain who to lynch and it all looks faked to me, and Cryo is still Scum unless something drastic has changed in the last page where he basically hasn't posted

so yeah, have fun not being able to fight back once I'm dead - guessing there's a X-Shot Vig or something that relies on me but naw, let's lynch him because he fell for a fakeclaim - seems legit

fuckers

P-Edit: lol look what the Tyfurian Dragon dragged in

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I seriously suggested looking at them for different reasons which may or may not include being on my wagon, yes

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also, Axxle's not on my wagon - or any wagon

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from my PoV it's a lot easier to look at the shitty reasons people gave to hop on my mislynch (which almost 100% contains at least 1 Dragon) then to look at the others who I may or may not agree with - I've admitted I haven't paid this game the attention it was due and thats' one of the unfortunate side effects

P-Edit:

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She is answering it, I think she's unnecessarily telling Venmar she thinks you're flailing Town, not Scum, but he doesn't think you're Scum so it's lost on you both

also, I'd enjoy #745 a lot more if it weren't advocating for my mislynch - but it's still pretty fun

FTR, I understand where this logic bullshit is coming from, I just know it's wrong AND I'm also confused as to why you flipped on Cryo

regardless of your opinion on whether or not the thing-you-think-is-cake is cake, we're wondering what suddenly made you think the pie was pie, instead of cake

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we in "we're wondering" = myself and Venmar, why?

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Venmar and I are both wondering what happened to Jiffy's Cryo read, how the fuck is that a slip?

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@Jiff: probably that one game where she and Mastin were Scum and Maruchan and I decided to steamroll ArcAngel9 instead because she was being her normal insufferable antiTown self and Town lost but mollie fucked up a fakeclaim and I caught her on it and she self-hammered with a Shakespeare quote and everything

P-Edit: er, but I do use the word "we" when I'm conversing about an opinion held by more than one person - e.g. myself and Venmar wondering what happened to Jiffy's Cryo read

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No, I was explaining where the pagetop post likely came from - me catching her slip up and her thinking she was doing the same to me

I've done the self-hammer thing in a recent Newbie and I think in 1 or 2 other games since Audio Mafia - each time with a Shakespeare quote, just because I approved of that method of self-hammering SO MUCH, but yeah I am kindof in the habit of doing it as Scum if I get to L-1 regardless of whether I personally want to give up or not. my Scummate in Newbie 1333 (a Newbie, for God's sake) told me to do it, and I kindof got guiltied so at that point there was nothing for it, and I don't remember what other games she's thinking of but I don't think it's THAT many...

P-Edit:

Reading comprehension, my dear lady, it will serve you well.

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jon, that whole line of reasoning is bullshit - UberNinja is certainly smart enough to have worded the PM's such that that method is probably useless for determining alignment, BUT if you're fucking determined to have me walk the line of Modkill, sure, I'll brb with SOMETHING from my Role PM...maybe...

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yeah, I'm not even sure if there's anything specific I could say from my Role PM that wouldn't get me Modkilled

that, and most of my Role PM could be SLIGHTLY reworded to accomodate a role of the opposite alignment...so I'm not sure what Cryo said but I'd like somebody to quote it because I didn't see it and I'm probably going to call bullshit - my wincon (flavored "goal") and my starting flavor ("peace, tranquility, life, happiness") could all EASILY be part of a Dragon Role PM with even just SLIGHT rewording

this is what I mean when I say that line of reasoning is a bullshit reason for lynching a claimed passive PR over Cryo, who was a huge target yesterday and has more or less disappeared from the spotlight since CD's lynch

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paraphrases won't do jackshit to help, and your reasoning is still bullshit, but whatever:

There was tons of butterflies and rainbows,
for around 62 seconds, everything was beautiful...

And then shit stopped being beautiful

Big, bad beasts of legend flown up out of wherever and I have no decision to make in the matter of my survival

Shall I go on?

Something about a Great Desolation and it being bad to hurt people after it?
Something about one of our Citizens living to tell the tale?

what are you fishing for here, jon?

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er, whatever, I'm talkin' about my Role PM here bro

also, yeah, didn't I fullclaim, like, awhile ago?

I'm the Lansdown Armorer, I passively collect scrap and shit from the streets to arm those who fight against the Dragons
My role PM just says that if I die, others might lose the capability to fight back - so it could be bullshit but I don't know

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Obviously I think Scum is Cryo, and I've defended the fact that it isn't necessarily a single partner

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Venmar's not an idiot, he just doesn't understand that what he's saying won't get through to you

What he wants is to lynch the person he thinks is Scum - same as you
you just happen to disagree on who that person is and neither of you is willing to let up

cut the crap, Jiffy

I'll play BB's favorite game with you while we wait for your mislynch to go through...
who is Scum if I'm not?

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Venmar: New avi = Maestroapproved

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so vote Cryo

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because I'm not fucking Scum

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I call for a Modkill on Venmar for being extremely out of line with the personal attacks

(lol totallyjk don't Modkill him Uber)

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Nah, Majiffy...

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You just need a little more...

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...determination!

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See what I mean?

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No

Yes

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mollie, yuo have a hackneyed interpretation of "flailing" if what you think I'm doing is flailing

also, Axxle is being kindof obvTown right now

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except I won't flip Dragon, you sonuvufuckface

1. WIFOM - Scum can and do find ways to hammer without looking Scummy, and they'd find ways to hold a mislynch at L-1 to drag out Town's morale and shit themselves laughing when it's all over. trust me, I've done it before in the very worst way (No-Killed in a Newbie and set them up for continuous NL during the day - dragged on for several Day phases and almost got a mislynch for a win in MyLo. I'm not lying)

2. right, because I'm idiot enough to come up with a stupid fakeclaim based on EXACTLY the same principles as my Scumpartner AFTER I PUBLICLY CONNECTED MYSELF with said partner BECAUSE OF HIS OWN FAKECLAIM, WHICH I ALSO SAID I BELIEVED. if I'm a half-decent Scumplayer, which I like to believe about myself (sometimes), then that's absolutely the last thing I would do

I've only successfully gotten away with an "off-the-wall/flavor-accurate" fakeclaim in an ongoing game, so I have no meta on that but your point is fucking bullshit and I think even you know it

3. what I think and what you think are completely fucking different you shithead - don't you DARE tell me what I should and shouldn't be thinking and don't you DARE tell me how I should or shouldn't be reacting to things that happen in this game. I've said I'm not paying rapt attention, I've said my play's been bad, I fully anticipate Uber making me feel all shitty in Endgame or in the Dead QT because he recently (lovingly) criticized me for similar behavior after a Newbie I replaced into. this isn't your show, and it's not mine - it's everybody's

so get your head out of Majiffy's ass, make a SUBSTANTIAL case on me without using CD interactions or a fucking flowchart, STOP lining up lynches or anticipating a Dragon flip you know won't come, and start playing the game like it's meant to be fucking played

God knows I'll try doing the same from this point on because I'm not taking this lying down

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also I'm VERY wary at this point - what're the odds of more than 2 Scum remaining?

because I think it's highly plausible at least one of them is on each side of this

the one point of DracoNudist's that I agree with is that my mislynch is different from ANG's

IF Venmar shows doubts later that I'm Town after this much of a whiteknight attempt on D3, he should be seriously looked into
Aj/Molla's basic non-presence is becoming both annoying and unhelpful, ditto Axxle's uncertainty/fence-sitting/whatever-the-fuck-he's-doing

I'm revising previous statements: any Town on my wagon and it MIGHT Jiffy for being TOTALLY himself and jon for being SUCH a blatant sheepshit
Cryo is almost certainly Scum, esp from my PoV - if he ever flips Town Jiffy should be looked at for sitting back and letting him do all the work of my mislynch for him

other than that mollie's probTown, just because yeah she would've probably hammered me by now as Scum

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also, yes I agree that CoolDog was prob-bussed

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yes

it was Newbie 1280 - go find it yo selves

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why the fuck do you hate saying it? if you think I'm a Dragon you think I'm a Dragon and I know you're wrong and I move on

that sounds like the worst excuse for anti-AtE or something I've ever read...

nobody's ever going to "convince" anybody of anything 100% until they flip, so stop making useless posts like that and contribute to this game with some kind of substance which CONVINCES me that you're thinking critically (and independently) or I will tear through your posts no matter what your awesome avi is

you literally just stated (with no reasoning whatsoever) that you would gladly sheep 3 people - two of whom are on my wagon and the other of which is practically confTown

confTown does not always = smart/good reads, and Aj's a nonpresence ATM so you probably shouldn't sheep him
Jiffy and Cryo are already on my wagon so you're just ultra-confirming that you'll follow their voting patterns like a useless, mindless sheep if they move off of me

since you're already following their votes now though, that post is utterly useless, a waste of space in the thread, and contributes nothing to the game

keep trying

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and where the hell is everyone?

didn't you useless shits want a deadline today?

fucking hammer or come out and talk you lurksacks

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OH HEY MOLLIE LOOK HERE'S MORE FUCKING TOWN MELTDOWN META FOR YOUR GODDAMN SPREADSHEET

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checking out for the night, shouldn't've been posting what with the mood I'm in

goodnight

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I was in a funk, I got lynched in others games as well as town in the exact same period.

gg guys

pmuch this...in fact, this exactly

and pirate mollie was pissing me off as Scum

I hate it when people I enjoy playing with are Scum

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wut about it?

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Hey Uber Goober, wanna Back-Up Mod my Large Theme since that "30+" thingy fell through with zor?

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I dunno...you gonna try and ruin my game too?

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Meh, the flavor should be pretty good too.....

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uh, this thread isn't my sign-up queue bro

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yeeeeeaaaaah, that kindof sucks UN, but that's probably the ONLY thing that EVER could've been wrong with this game

other than PM/Majiffy both being on the scumteam

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yeeeeeaaaaah, that kindof sucks UN, but that's probably the ONLY thing that EVER could've been wrong with this game

other than PM/Majiffy both being on the scumteam

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Majiffy and PM

rolled

scum together

riiiiiiiiiight

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riiiiii- ahahahahahaha no it's ok UN you can admit you did it yourself for lols

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