Mini 1428: Reign of Flame (Game Over)

[CryoChemist]

VOTE: Venmar

Every time we look at your avatar, we think you're Slandaar...and we don't like it.

[CryoChemist]

Still in RVS obviously.

Why don't you like RVS? Why feel the need to post about your annoyance with RVS yet not do anything to move the game out of RVS?

[CryoChemist]

VOTE: pirate mollie

She's never had an issue with jumping right into RVS before (looking at a bunch of past games, all of which she's town)

I don't believe any two heads in a hydra can ever agree in such a bloc fashion.

Meh, I also got the two confused.

Glad someone else figured out the line of reasoning behind our questioning her about it.

Response to said questions is less than stellar
VOTE: pirate mollie

[CryoChemist]

What's the reasoning for so many votes on Jon again?

[CryoChemist]

@ Majiffy I assume you're saying I should be outing scum right now, and since I'm not I must be guilty. I've never played with anyone in this game, and I have no meta except for what I've read recently. I have absolutely nothing to go on yet. Personally I think you're just going after an "easy" target not caring if you hit scum(dragon?) or not. That puts you easily on top of any scum reads I've developed so far.

Lynches are good, reasonless quicklynches waste days we may need later in the game.

Really? Nothing to go on? Pretty sure there is a legit case on PM that you could do some research on and vote for. Ignoring it with your post does not give us warm fuzziness about you. Makes us think you are buddies.

[CryoChemist]

VOTE: pirate mollie

She's never had an issue with jumping right into RVS before (looking at a bunch of past games, all of which she's town)

I don't believe any two heads in a hydra can ever agree in such a bloc fashion.

Meh, I also got the two confused.

VOTE: pirate mollie

She's never had an issue with jumping right into RVS before (looking at a bunch of past games, all of which she's town)

I don't believe any two heads in a hydra can ever agree in such a bloc fashion.

Meh, I also got the two confused.

Glad someone else figured out the line of reasoning behind our questioning her about it.
Response to said questions is less than stellar
VOTE: pirate mollie

The case isn't about her commenting on not liking rvs...it's about how that comment doesn't match meta and her responses to our questions ye dolt....

[CryoChemist]

RRRRAAAAAAGGGGGGEEEEEE!!!

How bout this mollie, don't answer our questions in mocking ways and we won't have to focus on you for doing scummy shit? That said, your rage reminds me of a time we lynched scum D1 and the rage that person exhibited.

Also, for not liking RVS and our questioning you about it to help get OUT of RVS, your rage is slightly misplaced. Also, there are TWO VOTES ON YOU! Why the hell you feel like you need to be on the defensive at this point?

Also, AtE much with your "I love this flavour and I have been waiting for it for a while I was a pre-in." combined with "fuck this shit I can't do anything when I am having to play the game on the defensive."

Also, what makes our questioning your posts so anti town that you think we are scummy for it? Huh? What's your fucking case instead of just your "VOTE: cryo 20 million times over" rage bullshit?

That's a lot of explaining you get to do now. Had you been town, you prolly would have ignored us for the most part and went about your way finding dragons. Instead, you are a dragon raging cuz the spotlight is on them.

Kill this shit folks.

[CryoChemist]

We are two prior accounts merged on this account. Meaning some posts will be from this head and some from the other and we talk our reads/strategies out with one another. 2 players, 1 account.

[CryoChemist]

Also Mollie, not the first time we've tried to what? Find dragons? Focus on scummy posts? What?

[CryoChemist]

Mollie, answer our questions in p97 and we'll think about answering yours in p98....

Your not answering them is noted though.

[CryoChemist]

We shouldn't even have to ask this.....

Care to elaborate on your reads or do you just not like being tied to your posts in the future?

[CryoChemist]

People who just preech around going " EXPLAIN YOUR READS " to everyone are so annoying.

Well I've got some bad news. You're probably going to find me very annoying. I'm having a difficult time adjusting to the general play style on this site. Or perhaps I'm just really stupid. Most likely it's both.

No, people who do nothing BUT preach about explaining reads is annoying. Asking people to tie themselves to post that are worth a shit so you can look back at them later is called strategy and good play. Don't listen to people who say trying to get good reads on people is annoying. They are either dumb or scum or both.

We shouldn't even have to ask this.....

Care to elaborate on your reads or do you just not like being tied to your posts in the future?

Elaborate on what in particular.

Well, all of them really. Why are we scum? Why do you think Mollie is town. Those are the most pertinent to us atm.

[CryoChemist]

I don't believe any two heads in a hydra can ever agree in such a bloc fashion.

We've known each other iRL for a very long time. We're pretty in sync with a lot of things and are comfortable with using 'we' as a constant. If our heads don't agree with something, we'll make it known.

mollie- We love you so much, but you make our other head so freaking angry... We are at a disagreement as to you being Scum. We're probably going to have a fight over this...

In our reread, we didn't much like Aj's jumping onto the jon Wagon in the 4th spot after a 'serious' Vote landed with RVS nonsense.

In our professional opinion, jon seems like a VI. His divergent opinions of his proposed QuickLynch make us scratch our nether regions, though.

reasonless quicklynches waste days we may need later in the game.

I

don't even mind being quicklynched as it might be useful to Town later in the game.

This feels to be at odds... can't decide if further VI or cog dis...

We're not fans of Guy's p86 in any way shape or form. Neither do we particularly care for his p91 MudSlinging.

We think Venmar's p116 is... odd.

This head just finished his first full read of the game and he wants to Vote Guy. We'll have to have a meeting of the minds 1st, though. In the meantime, you should all read his Iso, there's a lot of filler in there. It reeks of sulphur. That is all.

[CryoChemist]

Both heads still busy atm, will post later.

[CryoChemist]

Okay, cool. I'm wanting to know what you think of BBmolla this game. I read another game where he got taken out day 1 as town, so I'm not sure if this is just standard for him. We both know Fuzzy to see that he's probably town, so I'm not too scared of where he's voting. And then BBmolla goes off and votes Cyro when I make a comment about them being gone.

People who I've never played with sucking at reading me is pretty standard.

@Nacho: Elaborate on Cryotown plox

Before nacho explains why we're town, how bout you explain why we're scum.

[CryoChemist]

Okay, cool. I'm wanting to know what you think of BBmolla this game. I read another game where he got taken out day 1 as town, so I'm not sure if this is just standard for him. We both know Fuzzy to see that he's probably town, so I'm not too scared of where he's voting. And then BBmolla goes off and votes Cyro when I make a comment about them being gone.

People who I've never played with sucking at reading me is pretty standard.

@Nacho: Elaborate on Cryotown plox

Before nacho explains why we're town, how bout you explain why we're scum.

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... lect=20738
^

FFS, this is like pulling teeth and is anti-town.

Take a stand and explain your reads or we will vote you. Posting a link to our awesomeness is not a case.

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... lect=20738
^

After reading that ISO, I'm on board.

VOTE: Cryo

93 tries too hard to paint mollie as scum for her reaction

133 "In our professional opinion, jon is VI" then next line "but he's probably scum"

133 calls me out for mudslinging mollie, who their vote is on, then proceeds to call me scum and leave their vote on mollie


Let's get a claim this game is boring.

Looks like someone told you to be early or really late on a mislynch wagon. This post is just awful. Either learn to read OR if you can read, you are blatantly misrepping us.
p93 is this head and this head isn't convinced PM is town....still.
p133 is the OTHER HEAD. It even says so in the post you are quoting.

"In our professional opinion, jon seems like a VI. His divergent opinions of his proposed QuickLynch make us scratch our nether regions, though....
**jon quote**
...This feels to be at odds... can't decide if further VI or cog dis..." <----THIS is what was said and does not = "In our professional opinion, jon is VI" .... "but he's probably scum" (<--you misrepping)

Finally your last point is explained in the post....again....let us show you.... "

This head just finished his first full read of the game and he wants to Vote Guy. We'll have to have a meeting of the minds 1st, though.

In the meantime, you should all read his Iso, there's a lot of filler in there. It reeks of sulphur. That is all."

And Lastly:

Oh, are we finally lynching Cryo?

Yeah I'll support it.

VOTE: Cryo

"finally"? Is this something you've been pushing for for awhile? Odd, can't find any reasoning in you ISO (which made our eyes bleed btw...so thanks for that).

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Now, after our minds meeting and this most recent misrep + weak early bandwagon jump, I will defer to my other minds wishes and VOTE: ANG

Out of the 3 possible scum on our current wagon, this head has to agree with the other about ANG.

This head isn't sure how that fits with it's feelings on PM, but the other head is usually smarter so...

p.edit:

For what purpose?

Shits and giggles.

Maj...liar liar pants on fire. It's to get a read on us.

[CryoChemist]

Oh, we thought you were better than to try and use thoughts from rvs/300+ posts ago. Need we talk about how dumb that is?

[CryoChemist]

Pray tell us what stinks about it

[CryoChemist]

Orrr, we see you actively trying to get reads on people and that's something scum don't do. Us calling you out on your vote on us is similar to what we believe your real reason (see the post edit) you voted us. Best way to get solid reads is though reactions. That's the difference between yours and ang's vote. Thus we vote ang and ignore you. You can trust that we do believe your ISO made our eyes bleed...that doesn't make you scum though....just annoying.

Now, what are your thoughts on the other voters of cryo. ANG in particular.

[CryoChemist]

Look at the vote count. Any vote is an early bandwagon vote right now.

And that thing you call a misrep is known as paraphrasing. You called him a VI then attacked his posts. What other purpose could the Jon quotes have than to cast suspicion?

ANG: That thing you call a paraphrase is in quotation marks thus not a paraphrase. Grats on the 4th grade education.

To summarize your vote: you link 2 posts, done by separate heads, and fail at "paraphrase" ing them into something scummy. Then you defend our accusations of such with the above thought process? (we use the term "thought process" VERY loosely here...)

[CryoChemist]

Look at the vote count. Any vote is an early bandwagon vote right now.

And that thing you call a misrep is known as paraphrasing. You called him a VI then attacked his posts. What other purpose could the Jon quotes have than to cast suspicion?

ANG: That thing you call a paraphrase is in quotation marks thus not a paraphrase. Grats on the 4th grade education.

To summarize your vote: you link 2 posts, done by separate heads, and fail at "paraphrase" ing them into something scummy. Then you defend our accusations of such with the above thought process? (we use the term "thought process" VERY loosely here...)

You can't seriously be accusing me of blatantly misquoting you and implying that those words were exactly what you said. Obviously

I was stating the implications of your words

, not the words themselves. Insulting my education isn't scoring you any town points here.

We are in fact accusing you of that....not to mention you just admitted to it with the bolded. See, what we said and what you say we meant is called misrepresentation. Thus, you blatantly misrepped us.

Also, lol if you think insults on this site are a sign of alignment.

[CryoChemist]

mod: our vote is on ANG as of p342

[CryoChemist]

Sadly, this head's been indisposed for quite some time. We are now reading up on ~10 pages and will make a catch-up post shortly.

[CryoChemist]

We're trying to make this as brief and painless as possible, just hitting on things that stood out.

I checked how many were needed to lynch, were Jon was at and decided to make sure we got a reaction. This isn't rare for me when I'm late for RVS.

And yet we still found it scummy. Huh, funny that.

What the hell am I doin heeeeere, I don't beloooong hereeeeee, I don't belooooong hereeeee.

You'll always be special in our eyes, Maj.

BBMolla has shit posted. Stop buddying scum.

Why on earth would someone 'buddy Scum'?

I have five town reads, but I don't feel like listing them since I believe town reads get killed.

Do you have an issue with others posting Town reads?

Especially since I refuse to be on a wagon ANG is on, since I'm fairly certain he'll flip scum.

I would like to point out the above super odd sentiment. Aj apparently has a pretty strong read that ANG'll flip Scum, but he hasn't been Voting for him? This isn't a case of not wanting to add onto a high profile Wagon, either, ANG has 0 Votes at this point {unless you want to count our 'ghost' Vote as we hadn't reached a consensus at this stage}. In fact, Aj hadn't Voted anyone since the highly questionable jonWagon Vote.

Am I talking to a wall or something.

You've clearly never played with fuzzy before...

It's like watching the three stooges.

Except there's more than 3...

We're not going to even respond to ANG's bullshit. Our other head has done more than enough. We agree it's a weaksauce mis'rep from a weaksauce Scum. We will answer the following, though {as it was this head who wrote it}.

What did you mean by the "can't tell if further VI or cog dis" part?

VI = Village Idiot. Cog Dis = Cognative Dissonance. Saying one thing while doing another. A Village Idiot is ultimately prone to Cog Dis, but usually it's a ScumTell. In our read, we were hard pressed to distinguish between the scummy Cog Dis and the VI Cog Dis. We are now more inclined to think it's VI based. On the heels of that, if this is such a linchpin in your 'case' on us, why wait to ask now?

[CryoChemist]

Our other head has convinced us to

VOTE: AJ

[CryoChemist]

We will not

[CryoChemist]

Cryo, have we ever played together?

We've read at least one of your games.

@Maj- Press away.

[CryoChemist]

MOD: what's the deadline for D1?

[CryoChemist]

We'll request nobody hammer till we have a chance to give our scum reads and the reasons for them (tonight). We, unlike the morons on our wagon, actually like to be helpful and not just lynch whoever we want with literally no cases. We digress, if you're going to mislynch D1, might as well be vt.

We are just a normal citizens of Lansdown. We weren't trained in any special ways to hunt dragons. There is our claim.

Again, don't hammer till we at least get our scum reads out there for the rest of town. If someone does hammer before then, kill them tomorrow. There will be zero reason for a citizen to do so.

The short version is one of (possibly both) AJ and/or ANG are scum. After that, look to those who hopped on our wagon b/c idiot mej pushed for it.

That said, while waiting for us to post our reads, why don't those on our wagon answer one thing. When we flip town, what info is that going to give town? There are 4 ppl on our wagon who voted us for either no reason or because they don't like that we use 'we' ON A HYDRA ACCOUNT.

Why are those on our wagon afraid to link themselves to posts that allow town to get reads on them?

More tonight when not on phone.

[CryoChemist]

Why? FBN and BB are just as guilty for hoping on with no reason. Aj as well kept he prolly jumped on cuz he saw town do it and not get flak for it. Again, this will be explained in detail tonight when not on phone.

[CryoChemist]

Well, you could always just trust us and we could actually get a wagon going that gives town info. We disagree with your aj read but our other head agrees with your Mollie town read. The day still has presumably plenty of time before deadline.

[CryoChemist]

And as annoying as your wagon is on us, we have a town read on you as well.

[CryoChemist]

Also, anyone remember why ang is voting us and is now not commenting on this wagon and the speed in which we got to L-1? He seems super happy to let you do all the pushing on it even though he's the only one on it with a "case"....interesting. more on that later tonight as well probably.

P.edit. my bad, read Mollie as we say BB for a short version of molla..

[CryoChemist]

This head didn't like mollie's earlier reactions, but we don't agree on what those reactions mean and the other head is usually smarter.

[CryoChemist]

Still happy with your vote FBN? Why completely ignore everything we said about you and your vote on us?

p.edit: Same to you BB.

[CryoChemist]

Back and forth on that TBH. Other head is going to re-read tonight and we'll see what he thinks about it.

This head leans more scummy than townie. Like cockroaches scattering when the spotlight is on them. May be just coincidence in timing though...

How bout you?

Also, don't forget to answer: Still happy with your vote? Why completely ignore everything we said about you and your vote on us?

[CryoChemist]

2nd head checking in and answering you, BB.

Fuck p459. That's ScumPosting if I've ever read it. ANG had no problems pushing this Wagon as fast as possible and he bailed as soon as he saw that our MisLynch would be a lowly VT and not worth much? Lol...

Oh, are we finally lynching Cryo?

choo choo all aboard

Trying to write this off as some kind of huge reaction test that fizzles as soon as we Claim? We declare bullshit all over that. Lynch this Scum, friends.

VOTE: ANG

[CryoChemist]

ANG is at L-2

[CryoChemist]

Yeah, this flavor is a bit weird. I would guess hunter is a VT (a hunter of dragons) while a ranger has some sort of extra ability.

vote:majiffy

So what's your PR CD?

[CryoChemist]

Axxle and CD are scumteam. Not sure who else atm.

[CryoChemist]

VOTE: CooLDoG

[CryoChemist]

CD I think you slipped the fact that you're not a VT.

What do you mean you think? There is no thinking involved.

^Last dragon?

[CryoChemist]

FTR MOD: Love the new avatar.

[CryoChemist]

So you're a hunter AJ

[CryoChemist]

?

[CryoChemist]

yeah, ranger, my bad....

MOD: Please Define Ranger and Hunter

[CryoChemist]

So we aren't going to get a MS normal role equivalent is what you're saying?

[CryoChemist]

So why the hell did people tell CD why we're voting for him

You morons.

That prize would go to Venmar, who is probScum. Also, why are you including yourself in the pile? You're not Voting him, you're Voting for the Claimed Mason. Speaking of which, he's only L-2. There's room for more!

[CryoChemist]

Lmao... Hydra CrossPost.

No, other head, we're not going to get an equivolency. Themes don't always have clear RoleNames {as is evidenced by our RolePM}.

[CryoChemist]

Nope. We don't believe you. 'Town Communicator' doesn't fit the flavor at all.

BB, where'd you go?

[CryoChemist]

3 ppl have yet to post. At least wait to get their thoughts for review later.

[CryoChemist]

Where are the 3 non posters?

[CryoChemist]

I can confirm for CooLDog that the Town's name is "Landstown"
and interestingly enough (I just checked to be sure) Uber never included that name in ANY flavor so far

so CooLDog's kindof confirmed Town to me know o/

VOTE: Majiffy

Liar liar pants on fire

Two soulless yellow eyes hungrily searched for other nearby prey. Seeing nothing immediately at hand, the massive monster turned and sent a blistering gout of flame into the front entrance of the cabin, sending the entire building up in smoke. Oblivious to the hideous cries of the man's family left inside, it then wheeled about with an evil gleam in its glare, and with a deafening "whump" of tattered wings, tore into the sky to assist in the nocturnal

assault of Lansdown.

[CryoChemist]

CD is scum mollie....vote him.

[CryoChemist]

Hey Maestro... you mean like this?

Themes don't always have clear RoleNames {as is evidenced by our RolePM}.

Seriously though, what exactly are you hoping to gain by this?

BB- Come back to the CD Wagon, we don't hold it against you for your moment of weakness and confusion.

mollie- This is the head that loves you. Hammer, darling. Just close your eyes and Hammer...

[CryoChemist]

It's ok, we forgive you...

shhhh... shhhh...

[CryoChemist]

@Cryo: Yeah but if you knew that why'd you SPECIFICALLY (and rather impertinently) ask for Normal equivalents?

We are 2 heads...one is smarter than the other it would seem. Also, this head has been in themed where roles were defined. This is a first for this head where we have to guess as to what roles are what.

[CryoChemist]

Vote:Maestro

[CryoChemist]

Axxle's not a bad Vote either, actually.

[CryoChemist]

Quickposting-

Ven, why would we browbeat people to get back on the Wagon

multiple

times? If it started to fizzle, why wouldn't we just let it fizzle? Your analysis just doesn't pan out.

[CryoChemist]

@Ven, hey ven...yo VEN. Did you magically miss our question to you in p662. We expect an answer, not for you to ignore it completely.

[CryoChemist]

If you truly believe someone on his wagon has to be bussing him, why don't you look at the content and reasons surrounding the votes instead of saying it's person A because I have a town read on person B?

We were first to point out his slip about him in no way being able to be VT.
CD get's to L-2
Molla hop's on for L-1
Molla hop's off after CD's BS claim
We tell BB to get back on (scum us does this?)
Maestro (where your vote should be) comes in and tries to verify CD
BB hops BACK off
We call BB BACK to CD wagon (again)
BB hops BACK on
Then, you FINALLY hammer

Yeah, we have a more town read on BB too. If CD must have been bussed, you're probably the one bussing. Nice try though.

[CryoChemist]

Hey Axxle, why do we reread this post and not really know how you felt about the CD Wagon?

[CryoChemist]

Plz consider our Vote in a superposition on both Axxle and Maestro.

Can someone plz explain the BB case to us? We're having a hard time believing that he'd WaffleBus when the Lynch of his partner was a pretty for sure thing. Jump on and then off, sure, but then back on again? We're just not seeing it.

Also, we just noticed this in a reread of Today...

obviously the partner is setting me up

'Partner' singular? Is there something you would like to share with the rest of us Amazing Larry?

[CryoChemist]

cuz he's scum mollie, that's why.

[CryoChemist]

Mostly for this. You 'pushed CD all D1', but when you had the perfect opportunity to nail it home, you balked. You gave away the game and didn't weigh in until the Lynch was set. You knew that jon was coming back to Hammer and you knew that if you didn't get in on the action you'd look pretty damn scummy for going after him D1, as you so succinctly put it.

[CryoChemist]

Go with tomorrow, UN.

[CryoChemist]

mollie... dear? You didn't get a chance to listen to us Yesterday and we forgive you for that. Sweetie... just Hammer, ok? We love you.

Also, our other head keeps whispering that you're Scum and we don't want to believe it. He just doesn't know you...

And why aren't you sheeping Majjify anyway?

mollie, just come back home...

[CryoChemist]

Well, technically she'd be sheeping us so....

[CryoChemist]

So, 2 schools of thought at this time.

1: If maestro is town, both scum would probably be on the on the wagon already. This day has stalled seemingly waiting on a hammer and scum could easily get away with hammering with gaining at worst, only slight suspicion.
2: Maestro is scum and his buddy doesn't think bussing him will get him (or her...looking at you PM) enough town cred at this time. Possibly waiting on someone to take heat off Maestro.

We obviously believe number 2 to be the most likely.

Maestro: What is your number 1 reason for thinking we are scum? Who would our partner be and what makes you come to that conclusion?

Axxle: Why do you think Maestro is town?

Venmar: Same to you, why is Maestro town?

[CryoChemist]

No one wants to sheep Majiffy anymore.

We'd totally sheep you if we didn't get there 1st. We can UnVote and reVote if you'd like, though!

[CryoChemist]

UnVote

VOTE: Maestro

We were torn on the MaestroWagon, but this shit is solid Town posting if we've ever read it.

Vote:Maestro

[CryoChemist]

His claim is a town one. Not only do I SERIOUSLY doubt a scum could formulate a role like the one Maestro claimed, but his play right now is similar to Meta Mafia in terms of activity and content, and he was town in that game.

...Do you think his claim would be a scum claim or something? Also, let look at the 2 claims side by side.

claim: "town communicator"

I allow a pro-town group to communicate with each other. If I die then that group can NOT continue to talk.

My assumption was that ranger and hunter were different. Sense both flipped town I realized that one of them was probably the group that I was protecting. Thus my Power role speculation.

I'm the Lansdown Armorer, as long as I live my passive ability allows others to keep fighting

that's why I believed CooLDog and I said that when I said I believed him

obviously the partner is setting me up, but I'm V/LA this weekend so this's kindof all I can offer

Both are passive and unprovable.

Do you not think scum could have formulated these fake claims to claim they believe the other's claim when the time came? We, for one, find it very suspicious that they are both very similar and unprovable. They both looked like AtF claims as in, 'if you lynch us you won't be able to fight dragons anymore'....

Thoughts?

[CryoChemist]

Alright Venmar, let's say he isn't full of it. Who's scum? Since we are using a hypothetical, you use one as well. Put away your notion of us being scum and tell us the 2 remaining scum and a 3rd if you are wrong on 1. (IE. Your top 3 scum suspects that are under the assumption that we are town).

[CryoChemist]

If you're town, then chances are BBMola is scum. Pirate Mollie and Axxle are also suspicious.

I'd go BBMola --> Pirate Mollie --> Axxle

This is assuming you're town.

We would like to hear your reasons for BB and PM. The head who is iffy on PM is on atm so I'm curious to see if you are seeing what I'm feeling.

[CryoChemist]

Someone had to bus CooLDog.....

Axxle, jon_h61, Maestro, pirate mollie: Do you agree or disagree with this and why?

[CryoChemist]

Sorry, real life and all. Will be back later tonight. Will talk to other head as well.

[CryoChemist]

PM: Alright, we are calling for the hammer darling.

Let's look at some facts (with a sprinkle of logic).

1. The more we think about it, the longer Maestro is alive, the more it points to Maestro being scum. Looking at ANG's mis-lynch, he went from 1 vote to 7 votes in less than 24 hours. Maestro has been at L-1 for 7 full days. Again, barring BOTH remaining scum already being on the wagon, we are of the opinion scum would have found a way to hammer by now without looking scummy for doing it.

2. The talk about how CD came up with a fake claim based off of AJ's claim and Maestro's not being the same is just tarded. A hunter flipped and we know that a hunter isn't VT. Hell, it's how we caught CD. Whether a hunter is a cop or vig or some other finding/killing dragons role, it's a PR and it sounds active. It's not a stretch to think Maestro used that flip to come up with his claim just like CD used AJ's to come up with his.

3. In conjunction to point 2, if Maestro really had such a similar role to CD and he was actually town, it wouldn't cause him to believe CD's claim. In fact, it would do the opposite and cause him to

disbelieve

the claim since it's so similar to his. Think of it this way, if you were a Cop and someone being wrung up to be lynched claimed Gunsmith, you'd immediately call bullshit...not sit there and go 'I believe it since my role is very similar'...

4. Post 715 is straight up AtF

If Maestro does flip dragon, Axxle will be off our list due to Maestro's p718 where he basically went, 'LOOK OVER THERE GUYS...LOOK, LOOK'.

[CryoChemist]

@CryoNudist - Regardless if Maestro flips town or scum, can we both agree that someone on CD's wagon was scum?

Also, for the record, if Maestro flips scum I will immediately assume that CryoNudist is town, and will support the BBMola lynch. If Maestro flips town, then CryoNudist is probably scum.

Logic says yes, but it's not foolproof.

Jiffy should be looked at for sitting back and letting him do all the work of my mislynch for him

We at least agree with this in the event that you flip town.

[CryoChemist]

Yeah, Jiffy isn't a dragon with CD. If he is, the following is masterful distancing.

Spoiler:

I think that majjify is scummy for pushing so hard on the wagon, then getting caught out on it and backing off.

Caught out on what, exactly?

Are you even reading this game?

your bullshit justifications don't interest me.

What makes them bullshit?

And if my reasons don't interest you, does that mean you're town tunneling or scum sidelining a vote for the day? Answer with haste, please. I'd like to know if I'm filing you away as idiot or retard for the rest of the day.

My read of you is

completely independent

of any reasons for unvote that you can give. You do realize that one can fake reasons to unvote, right? So file me down under retard.

Then please elaborate on your impressive case, because all you've offered is "ERMAGEHRD HE UNVOTED LOLZORZ WAT A SCUMBUT!!!!"

I'll wait.

Majiffy thoughts on CooLDog?

Working on that.

The case in brief. Keep in mind that this is day 1 and only what, 10 pages in.
Push quick lynch for shit reasons (He is annoying)
Stay on quick lynch for long time
Town doesn't like quick lynch
Immediately jump off wagon.

That is the case. Not the strongest in the world, but for d1 page 5 or whatever, I think it is pretty good.

Only problem is your lynchpin relies on 3 causing 4. When I've given reasons for 4, that you're patently ignoring because it ruins your entire case.

So you can take your vote off me, dipshit.

And as I said you have lied about 4 so yeah.

Prove it.

You can't convince me that your reasons are legit. Simple as that. Don't even try.

I feel like this is on par with the religious fanatics that say because you can't prove (?) evolution, it isn't true...

look at bb and tell me why we shouldn't push his wagon.

Because I like Molla enough to not bother actually trying to read him until later phases of the game.

stop defending yourself all the time and scum hunt, majiffy.

If you pulled your head out of your ass and looked at the things that aren't involving you, you'd realize that I

am

scumhunting.

Also I feel no need to convince you that I'm town. Why are you trying to hold a townread over my head like a dog treat?

Probably because CoolDog is a scumbutt pushing a pissant case.

[CryoChemist]

Cryo is almost certainly Scum, esp from my PoV - if he ever flips Town Jiffy should be looked at for sitting back and letting him do all the work of my mislynch for him

Since we know we are town and we highly doubt Jiffy is scum with CD, what else you got? Pretend for a moment that you believe we are town and Jiffy wasn't masterfully distancing himself from CD D1 and is town as well, who would be scum of those left?

[CryoChemist]

Damn it all.... This head isn't sure scum Maestro posts "Cryo is almost certainly Scum, esp from my PoV" as scum in the face of being hammered. This comment alone, if he flipped scum, would pretty much confirm us as town which wouldn't benefit his team....

Need to talk to the other head to see if he thinks this is a grasping at straws scum comment or a more likely town comment. This head is unsure cuz this head has been in his position as town and responded similarly. Add in PM's thoughts on how scum Maestro would act and this head is very unhappy about not being as strong on it's read on Maestro being scum as it was before....

For now, disregard the request for hammer PM....

[CryoChemist]

Jiffy, what are your thoughts on recent events?

[CryoChemist]

@jon- Scum Masons are... Scum. They function in a very similar manner. They are CrossConfirmed by nature. The nonModConfirmed version is a Neighbor. They have access to a QT {usually at night}, but do not know each others' alignments. Neighbors can be Scum, not Masons.

You're also not going to get a CC because there's no one to CC. A Mason pairing in a game of this size is almost assuredly going to be 2. That said, we have no real way of knowing that Ranger=Mason, but neither would Aj were he not what he said he was. It's possible that they were Neighbors and Aj's using that to try and pull a fauxModConf, so his alignment should be based off of his play. The flipped 'Mason' didn't Conf Aj, he did it himself.

[CryoChemist]

Limited time to post this morning, will get to this game later...

[CryoChemist]

Yes I'll stand by that all the way to my death. I'll only say if Cryo asks though.

We won't be asking today, of that we are sure.

Should we just mass claim at this point

lol, no and scummy for suggesting it.

Ok, so here's what our heads have decided at this point.

Venmar - Even before the doc claim we were null leaning town on him due to his insistence on us being scum despite our D2 being completely contrary to that conclusion.

Jon - Don't see scum trying to clear town as he has been doing for awhile now. He's not just saying we're town and a bad lynch but he's actively trying to convince others (namely Venmar) that we are town. We think scum him would be more passive in his read on us and let us hang in the end for a 'told you so' post after the fact.

Jiffy - Town read. Interactions with CD point to him being town.

AJ - We had reservations about confirming him as town just because of the Ranger thing. For all we knew Rangers could be neighbors and AJ could be scum and kill of the town Ranger for the mason claim. Barring some sweet ass maneuvering by Venmar and AJ by both being scum and doing a no kill last night, with the Doc claim and protect of AJ, we are going to put this paranoia to the far back for now and call him town as both Venmar and AJ would have to be the remaining dragons to pull this off. As talked about earlier in thoughts on Venmar, we were leaning town on him before the claim anyway so...yeah, town. Wouldn't be surprised if we died tonight to create paranoia on this thought for the rest of town tomorrow, but all we need to do is hit scum today to avoid that.

Molla - leaning scum due to D2's voting record and thinking Venmar right be right about scum bussing CD. If CD was bussed, the bus points to BB at this point. That said, we just finished a game where the policy lynch D1 of scum didn't have a single scum vote so, that's fresh in our minds too.

PM - Had her as a town read up until the hammer yesterday. Leaning scum now due to her saying scum Maestro will self hammer, Maestro going off the wall and not doing what she said scum Maestro would do as scum, and then hammering when it seemed like (at least to us) that Maestro may not be the lynch for that day. We say that because we were a @#$% hair from unvoting ourselves. Add in the fact that she wasn't on the CD wagon

Axxle - Have had a gut scum read on him most of this game. Nothing stuck out and we didn't pursue it like we should have. We are now. If he flips scum, then BB is the partner as we don't see the interactions between PM and him looking like team mate distancing but rather scum/town back and forth.

VOTE: Axxle

p.edit

Majiffy or AJ would have to be scum on the CD wagon.

You're going to post this after we have a no kill last night and a claimed doc saying AJ was his protect?

Yeah, we are good with either Axxle or BB today. Would like Axxle over BB to clear PM in our minds after an Axxle scum flip.

pp.edit
So you're saying Jiffy is scum then BB? If so, explain his D2 posts as scum in reference to CD

[CryoChemist]

Okay I think my mafia spirit is back so ask me shit, I think Venmar is town and I think Cryo is town and I think jon is town.

Why isn't AJ in here?

[CryoChemist]

Never mind AJ's way of claiming sounds too genuine to be faked.

You forget that we had a no kill and a claimed doc save?

[CryoChemist]

Well I recall most of you agreeing that CD's wagon had a scum. Clearly it wasn't me, Majiffy is very unlikely, it wasn't Nacho, and that leaves BBMola and CryoNudist. I'm still of the belief that BBMola is more likely town.

If you guys refuse to lynch Cryo

then perhaps we could consider Pirate Mollie

or Axxle.

At this stage, I think Majiffy and AJ are likely town, and BBMola as well if Cryo flips scum. Jon might be town by gut.

that would be a bad idea

Sigh...this reads as either AtF or PR.....thoughts everyone?

[CryoChemist]

Never mind AJ's way of claiming sounds too genuine to be faked.

You forget that we had a no kill and a claimed doc save?

Didn't really notice.

But you're not going to believe that.

Meh, your posts actually show that you didn't notice.

Do you think CD was bussed with current information?

[CryoChemist]

OK, so for the following, we are going to assume nothing super dubious is going on (ie Venmar/AJ scum team, Jon whiteknighting, etc)

Day 1 wagons we thought pertinent:

Spoiler:

jon_h61 [5] -

Maestro

, Majiffy, BBmolla,

Aj the Epic

,

Venmar

[L-2]
pirate mollie [2] - Axxle,

CryoNudist

Venmar [1] -

jon_h61

Aj the Epic [1] -

CooLDoG

CryoNudist [1] - pirate mollie
BBmolla [1] -

Approximately Normal Guy

not voting -

fuzzybutternut

,

Nacho

____________________
CryoNudist [4] -

Approximately Normal Guy

, Majiffy,

fuzzybutternut

,

Maestro

Approximately Normal Guy [2] -

Aj the Epic

, Axxle
CooLDog [2] -

Venmar

,

Nachomamma8

Maestro [2] - pirate mollie, BBmolla
Aj the Epic [1] -

CryoNudist

Majiffy [1] -

CooLDog

Not Voting -

jon_h61

___________________
CryoNudist [4] -

fuzzybutternut

,

Maestro

, BBmolla,

Aj the Epic

Maestro [3] - pirate mollie,

Approximately Normal Guy

, Majiffy
CooLDog [2] -

Venmar

,

Nachomamma8

Approximately Normal Guy [1] - Axxle
Aj the Epic [1] -

CryoNudist

Majiffy [1] -

CooLDog

Not Voting -

jon_h61

____________________
APPROXIMATELY NORMAL GUY [7] - Axxle,

CryoNudist

,

Venmar

, pirate mollie,

Nachomamma8

,

jon_h61

, Majiffy [L-0]
CryoNudist [3] -

fuzzybutternut

,

Maestro

,

Aj the Epic

Maestro [1] -

Approximately Normal Guy

Majiffy [1] -

CooLDog

Not Voting - BBmolla

Day 2:

Spoiler:

Very first VC:
CooLDog [4] -

Nachomamma8

,

CryoNudist

, Majiffy,

Aj the Epic

[L-2]
Majiffy [1] -

CooLDoG

Aj the Epic [1] - BBmolla

not voting - Axxle,

jon_h61

,

Maestro

, pirate mollie,

Venmar

__________________
CooLDog [5] -

Nachomamma8

,

CryoNudist

, Majiffy,

Aj the Epic

, BBmolla [L-1]
Majiffy [1] -

CooLDoG

not voting - Axxle,

jon_h61

,

Maestro

, pirate mollie,

Venmar

__________________
COOLDOG [5] -

Nachomamma8

,

CryoNudist

, Majiffy,

Aj the Epic

, BBmolla,

Venmar

[L-0]
Majiffy [1] -

CooLDoG

not voting - Axxle,

jon_h61

,

Maestro

, pirate mollie

Day 3:

Spoiler:

Maestro [4] -

CryoNudist

, Majiffy,

Aj the Epic

, BBmolla [L-1]
Axxle [2] -

jon_h61

, pirate mollie
CryoNudist [1] -

Venmar

not voting - Axxle,

Maestro

__________________
MAESTRO [5] -

CryoNudist

, BBmolla, Majiffy,

jon_h61

, pirate mollie [L-0]
CryoNudist [2] -

Venmar

,

Maestro

BBmolla [1] -

Aj the Epic

Venmar [1] - Axxle

Now, look at ANG's lynch wagon. either 2 scum are on it OR only 1 scum was on it and the other was off. If the latter, BB is scum. If the former...hrm...we don't know.

BB, what's your read on Axxle.

Axxle, what's your read on BB?

[CryoChemist]

Jiffy, why not Axxle? We think Axxle's flip will tell us more than BB's to be honest. What info will we get from a BB town flip and what info from a BB scum flip?

[CryoChemist]

sigh...fine, though we still think Axxle is the better of the 2 lynches today, we'll put BB at L-1.

VOTE: BB

Jon should be the one to hammer imo. that will be the current town block of 4 on BB which will help confirm Jiffy should he flip scum.

Claim?

[CryoChemist]

I'd still rather lynch Axxle.

Same...jiffy is a bit bull-headed though.

PM: any other thoughts?

[CryoChemist]

VOTE: Majiffy

You don't know how badly we didn't want to believe what was in front of us.../sigh...will post case later.

[CryoChemist]

Day 1 wagons we thought pertinent:

Spoiler:

jon_h61 [5] -

Maestro

,

Majiffy

,

BBmolla

,

Aj the Epic

,

Venmar

[L-2]
pirate mollie [2] - Axxle,

CryoNudist

Venmar [1] -

jon_h61

Aj the Epic [1] -

CooLDoG

CryoNudist [1] - pirate mollie
BBmolla [1] -

Approximately Normal Guy

not voting -

fuzzybutternut

,

Nacho

____________________
CryoNudist [4] -

Approximately Normal Guy

,

Majiffy

,

fuzzybutternut

,

Maestro

Approximately Normal Guy [2] -

Aj the Epic

, Axxle
CooLDog [2] -

Venmar

,

Nachomamma8

Maestro [2] - pirate mollie,

BBmolla

Aj the Epic [1] -

CryoNudist

Majiffy [1] -

CooLDog

Not Voting -

jon_h61

___________________
CryoNudist [4] -

fuzzybutternut

,

Maestro

,

BBmolla

,

Aj the Epic

Maestro [3] - pirate mollie,

Approximately Normal Guy

,

Majiffy

CooLDog [2] -

Venmar

,

Nachomamma8

Approximately Normal Guy [1] - Axxle
Aj the Epic [1] -

CryoNudist

Majiffy [1] -

CooLDog

Not Voting -

jon_h61

____________________
APPROXIMATELY NORMAL GUY [7] - Axxle,

CryoNudist

,

Venmar

, pirate mollie,

Nachomamma8

,

jon_h61

,

Majiffy

[L-0]
CryoNudist [3] -

fuzzybutternut

,

Maestro

,

Aj the Epic

Maestro [1] -

Approximately Normal Guy

Majiffy [1] -

CooLDog

Not Voting -

BBmolla

Day 2:

Spoiler:

Very first VC:
CooLDog [4] -

Nachomamma8

,

CryoNudist

,

Majiffy

,

Aj the Epic

[L-2]
Majiffy [1] -

CooLDoG

Aj the Epic [1] -

BBmolla

not voting - Axxle,

jon_h61

,

Maestro

, pirate mollie,

Venmar

__________________
CooLDog [5] -

Nachomamma8

,

CryoNudist

,

Majiffy

,

Aj the Epic

,

BBmolla

[L-1]
Majiffy [1] -

CooLDoG

not voting - Axxle,

jon_h61

,

Maestro

, pirate mollie,

Venmar

__________________
COOLDOG [5] -

Nachomamma8

,

CryoNudist

,

Majiffy

,

Aj the Epic

,

BBmolla

,

Venmar

[L-0]
Majiffy [1] -

CooLDoG

not voting - Axxle,

jon_h61

,

Maestro

, pirate mollie

Day 3:

Spoiler:

Maestro [4] -

CryoNudist

,

Majiffy

,

Aj the Epic

,

BBmolla

[L-1]
Axxle [2] -

jon_h61

, pirate mollie
CryoNudist [1] -

Venmar

not voting - Axxle,

Maestro

__________________
MAESTRO [5] -

CryoNudist

,

BBmolla

,

Majiffy

,

jon_h61

, pirate mollie [L-0]
CryoNudist [2] -

Venmar

,

Maestro

BBmolla [1] -

Aj the Epic

Venmar [1] - Axxle

Day 4:

Spoiler:

BBMOLLA [5] -

Aj the Epic

,

Majiffy

,

Venmar

,

CryoNudist

, pirate mollie [L-0]
Axxle [1] -

jon_h61

not voting - Axxle,

BBmolla

We are going to assume that Ven, AJ, and jon are all town...and for good reason. That leaves Jiffy, PM, and Axxle in the scumpool and almost certainly 2/3 scum.

So, here's the VCA:
D1:
He's on the jon wagon
He's on the Cryo wagon
He's on the Maesto wagon
He's on the mislynch wagon

From our POV, all those wagons are wagons on town (at least 3 for sure). We are guessing/hoping (as PM is currently one of our favorites on the site) that scum-Axxle got on ANG and never got off while Jiffy brought up the rear with the hammer. Though he was asked for it from town-Nacho, he says he wanted to hammer but didn't want to look bad for it and then brought us a BS hammer post (though it WAS funny as hell).

D2:
Either CD's wagon was all town, we are completely fooled by AJ, Venmar, and/or Jon, or Jiffy is the only person left on the wagon that could have bussed.

D3:
Jiffy is on the mislynch wagon again

D4:
...and again

_________________________________________
We've said before and after reading again, we stand by that we don't think Axxle and PM are scum together. PM's recent hammers have been...uh...less than stellar, but the common denominator remains Jiffy.

[CryoChemist]

I actually agree, Majiffy might be scum after all.

However, I want to see what Jon has to say, and I want a full claim as well as night targets from him because I still have no idea what he is and i'm just assuming he's a cop right now.

Didn't say your play was scummy, we are saying that your VCA is scummy...also, if you're town this game, who's scum? Axxle and PM? If it's anyone else, please, explain, because we aren't seeing it.

[CryoChemist]

*edit*

Didn't say your play was scummy, we are saying that your VCA is scummy...also, if you're town this game, who's scum? Axxle and PM? If it's anyone else, please, explain, because we aren't seeing it.

I actually agree, Majiffy might be scum after all.

However, I want to see what Jon has to say, and I want a full claim as well as night targets from him because I still have no idea what he is and i'm just assuming he's a cop right now.

Pretty sure Jon just saw something we wrote surrounding our PM and feels confident that it matches his. We assumed he wasn't a Cop due to not giving any other 'result' type of information. It's a combination of the surety that he has us as town due to PM related comments AND that he pursued that to the point of getting you to stop tunneling us that we have him as town. We don't see why scum-Jon would go as far as he did if he was White-Knighting us as scum.

[CryoChemist]

Venmar: We said it was scummy yesterday, we know, but at this point we are thinking a MC is actually in order. We are very curious how you didn't die last night but even in our paranoia, we don't see you and AJ as scum buddies not killing 2 nights in a row. All our town reads have claimed already, so we are thinking it's not such a bad idea to see what Axxle, Jiffy and PM come up with.

[CryoChemist]

Jiffy, if it's any consolation, we really didn't want it to be you.

[CryoChemist]

And pm, if you're scum too...... </3

[CryoChemist]

^this is why we like you Jiff.

Ok town, it's process of elimination. Hammer Jiffy and we'll move down the list from there.

[CryoChemist]

PM, if it isn't you vote Jiffy already

[CryoChemist]

Pm, we'll save you for last babe.

[CryoChemist]

Also, it's not the hammer.

[CryoChemist]

We think you are scum and we don't want PM to be your partner, so yes...

[CryoChemist]

Lies.

[CryoChemist]

WHAT THE FUCK IS GOING ON

Looks like you just used your ability before you got lynched?

[CryoChemist]

Thank you for confirming that AJ and Venmar weren't being super devious scum team though.

[CryoChemist]

Need we point out the AtF in ^that?

[CryoChemist]

You're right, it doesn't take a genius to see what you are doing.

You were going to be lynched, you (or your dragon-mate) have a scum day kill (let's hope 1 shot), you didn't kill Venmar last night and had to use it today to put us in MYLO and start your AtF crap.

This also doesn't take a Genius.

Let's look at it another way. Let's say you are actually town. We were at 5v2. If we lynched you and you flipped town, it would be 4v2 going into night. Venmar already said he could only save himself 1 time. Scum takes him out. Day starts and it's 3v2. Scum use that day kill tomorrow and it's instant win. Huh...guess it doesn't make sense for them to use it today if you were going to be a mis-lynch eh? Boom, Lawyer'ed.

You are still going to be the lynch today and you are going to flip dragon.

[CryoChemist]

Please find the fallacy in the above hypothetical if you were town. Why would scum ANYONE other than you use the day kill while you are headed for rope when they could save it and out right win tomorrow with it?

[CryoChemist]

Jiffy, you like facts...here are some:

With 7 alive, it was 4 to lynch. That means 1 townie could be not voting you and you would still be lynched. Now, it's 6 alive and still 4 to lynch. You are sayingthat scum killed someone on your wagon thus making it more difficult to kill you.

Scum wouldn't need to kill venmar at all if you were a mislynch. WIFOM about his abilities could be completely ignored. If you were town and a mislynch, they could kill any other townie at night, use the day kill tomorrow and then win straight up.

Example: if you weren't scum, you die today would make it 4v2, scum kills us making 3v2, scum day kills LITERALLY ANY TOWN LEFT making it GG.

No jiffy, only you and your scum buddy need to make it MYLO today, which is why you did it.

[CryoChemist]

[CryoChemist]

While we wait for the hammer to come for dragon-you to die, we shall indulge you one more time.

Let's pretend you flip town and scum are completely inept and fail to kill tonight while still holding a day kill. Tomorrow would be 4v2. Oh snap, look at that, they would still have the opportunity to make it MYLO as you claim they are doing right now. They lose absolutely nothing by waiting to see if they get a kill tonight and gain an insta-win if they did kill. There is no reason to use the day kill today to set up MYLO if town was about to be mis-lynched. In fact, they would lose a very strategic play by doing what you claim they are doing.

No Jiffy, you are a scaled-fire-breathing liar and this was your team's last shot at saving scum that all of town thought was town. In fact, we would be very surprised if it was your dragon buddies PR and not yours used to kill Venmar. You were about to be lynched and your team would lose the extra kill if you didn't use it before the hammer.

Well played and all, but you are a dragon, end of story.

[CryoChemist]

We're in LyLo everybody, but Scum can't QuickHammer.

Death Match between Axxle and mollie. You should both plead your cases now...

{mollie.. don't let it be you... don't break our hearts...}

[CryoChemist]

Explain a scenario where we were in MyLo and not LyLo, if you wouldn't mind...

[CryoChemist]

Fine. Technically you are correct, but there's no way we're NLing Today.

[CryoChemist]

BTW, MC needs to happen. Axle, why don't you go 1st.

And why are you minimally posting?

[CryoChemist]

mollie, Claim your targets, plz...

[CryoChemist]

We aren't so sure....we are reading this game and we can't help but shake the feeling that jon might have white-knighted us this entire time....

Thoughts?

[CryoChemist]

He already claimed VT

[CryoChemist]

This is throwing a bit of sand in the wheels. We want to hear more from Axxle and mollie before dropping a heaping pile of steaming hot knowledge on yous guys. The Mass V/LAs aren't helping.

Axxle! You should still be around. What have you found after "rechecking" jon?

[CryoChemist]

@jon: first off, we only put the white knight thing out there to see if PM or Axxle would bite.

Here's our thoughts:

-PM has had 2 really bad hammers. Both were when it might seem the wagon might fall apart. We, for instance, were about to unvote Maestro ourselves. We were on the fence with him.
-We asked PM to vote Jiffy and though she was wrong in thinking it would be a hammer, in hind-sight, it looked as though she was waiting for something (scum's day kill) to happen.
-She claims to be another town PR. From what we can see, dragons day kill seemed to be one shot, no other visible action has been done by them. That leads us to believe they are probably rather weak. We could make guesses that KD might have been strong man or something, but again, it would be guessing. What we do know for sure is that town had a Doc, Masons x2, an Armorer, a probable Vig (based on the armorer). That's already 5 town PR's. we aren't sure we buy a 6th being back-up Doc.

Something just isn't sitting right with PM. Axxle doesn't sit right as well, but we think we've been swindled and it breaks our heart.

VOTE: PM

If you don't think this is right jon or that we are off on something, let us know, but we think this is the right call.

[CryoChemist]

Oh, add in 'forgetting to protect the only confirmed town player in the game last night' into what we like to call a whole heep of BS.

[CryoChemist]

We aren't and we feel really bad if PM isn't...

[CryoChemist]

Ruh Ruh Ruh! Go Town!

ggs all. Thx for the Modding UN, great flavor and fun times were had!

mollie... why'd it have to be you? Why'd you have to break our hearts?

[CryoChemist]

The town played really well
...
I think if it wasn't for me
...
the town would've lost early on.

Yeah, we noticed that, too...

[CryoChemist]

Mollie broke our heart so hard....we actually cried a little....

Picker her as scum over axxle hurt more than when we had to kill her in Hobbit to try and win the game as scum.

We aren't sure we will ever get over it.....

[CryoChemist]

Scum QT and RolePMs, plz?