Mini 1428: Reign of Flame (Game Over)

[Approximately Normal Guy]

Hell yes this started.

VOTE: Axxle

Trying to one up me on the x's, obviously a dragon.

[Approximately Normal Guy]

UNVOTE: Axxle
VOTE: BBmolla

There is no such thing.

[Approximately Normal Guy]

How did cryo offend you, jiffy?

[Approximately Normal Guy]

UNVOTE: Axxle
VOTE: BBmolla

There is no such thing.

Serious vote, btw. What's the serious aspect of your semi-serious vote?

[Approximately Normal Guy]

Well this is a totally different atmosphere than the newbie game.

*adjusts hat and belt*

I like the PM wagon more than jon's. Scum trying to joke can easily come out forced and/or awkward. Jon's style just seems to rub people the wrong way, which I'm not prepared to fault him for.

I mean come on, the flavor is freakin' DRAGONS.

UNVOTE: BBmolla
VOTE: pirate mollie

[Approximately Normal Guy]

Wow. Defensive, indeed.

[Approximately Normal Guy]

VOTE: pirate mollie

She's never had an issue with jumping right into RVS before (looking at a bunch of past games, all of which she's town)

I have never played with you before and if you are going to meta me at least get it the fuck

right

. I have no fucking idea who you are I am pretty sure I have not played with you unless you are an alt and then you better own the fuck up.

I had this same retarded conversation with wisdom once:

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=84&t=24809

If you don't have a RVS, then how do you ever get the game started?

Also, what is a hydra?

[Approximately Normal Guy]

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Do something worth talking about. Fake claims, speedwagons, etc.

Oh, makes sense. I guess RVS isn't universal, as I thought. That makes the PM wagon seem a lot less valid. PM's reaction still stinks, though.

We are two prior accounts merged on this account. Meaning some posts will be from this head and some from the other and we talk our reads/strategies out with one another. 2 players, 1 account.

That is a neat concept, although kind of strange. How common is it?

[Approximately Normal Guy]

Well I totally screwed up that formatting.

[Approximately Normal Guy]

also majiffy, jon is town

why?

[Approximately Normal Guy]

99 should have looked like:

Do something worth talking about. Fake claims, speedwagons, etc.

Hydra is an account shared by multiple players.

Oh, makes sense. I guess RVS isn't universal, as I thought. That makes the PM wagon seem a lot less valid. PM's reaction still stinks, though.

We are two prior accounts merged on this account. Meaning some posts will be from this head and some from the other and we talk our reads/strategies out with one another. 2 players, 1 account.

That is a neat concept, although kind of strange. How common is it?

[Approximately Normal Guy]

People who just preech around going " EXPLAIN YOUR READS " to everyone are so annoying.

Well I've got some bad news. You're probably going to find me very annoying. I'm having a difficult time adjusting to the general play style on this site. Or perhaps I'm just really stupid. Most likely it's both.

[Approximately Normal Guy]

How does this make me look stupid?

Wow. Defensive, indeed.

PM kinda went ballistic right after I voted her, slinging f bombs left and right. And she said herself that she was playing defensive. Maybe i'm spoiled because the mod in my first game specifically asked people not to curse, but it just seemed like an excessive amount of rage considering the number of votes she had on her.

VOTE: Venmar

Venmar voted jon with no explanation, called it serious, then unvoted when this was addressed. Fluffy posting, I haven't seen an actual thought from him yet.

[Approximately Normal Guy]

Man this page is a load of garbage? Arguing about alt crap? Boooring.

How about contributing something then?

What do you think of the venmar wagon?

[Approximately Normal Guy]

I like Venmar too much to vote him today.

This doesn't answer my question, by the way. I'd like to hear your thoughts on venmar. Shouldn't be hard, since you have seemingly played with him in the past.

[Approximately Normal Guy]

Majiffy might be scum I'm still deciding.

This post is weird. It wasn't related to the conversation at all, wasn't warranted by a question, and was never followed up in any way. And on top of that, it didn't even say anything.

[Approximately Normal Guy]

This exchange makes me like my vote more.

[Approximately Normal Guy]

Got prodded. Sorry for the recent inactivity, guys. It's midterms week in my last semester of college, been hitting the books hard. On top of that, I'm playing a game on my home site now and they move a ton faster, 48 hour days, 24 hour nights, so it sucks up a decent amount of my mafia time. That being said, it allows me to focus hard here every third day.

I'll be catching up now.

[Approximately Normal Guy]

BBmolla would be a good lynch...

Especially since I refuse to be on a wagon ANG is on, since I'm fairly certain he'll flip scum.

VOTE: BBmolla

So vote me? What makes me scum in your eyes?

unvote, vote: bb

let's get some info.

This feels like town.


Don't know how I feel about the fact that 3 or so people have called me scummy yet I've not been voted once.

UNVOTE:
I was on venmar for being useless but he's improved on that now.

VOTE: Maestro

Lurking is one thing, popping in just to tell us you don't approve of our posting is another. This is as strong of a scumread as any for me atm.

Gut is saying Majiffy, cooldog, and PM are town.

[Approximately Normal Guy]

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... lect=20738
^

After reading that ISO, I'm on board.

VOTE: Cryo

93 tries too hard to paint mollie as scum for her reaction

133 "In our professional opinion, jon is VI" then next line "but he's probably scum"

133 calls me out for mudslinging mollie, who their vote is on, then proceeds to call me scum and leave their vote on mollie


Let's get a claim this game is boring.

[Approximately Normal Guy]

I initially thought pm was scum for her reaction, but cryo wrote a book about it.

I'm not trying to deny my post about her being defensive. To be completely honest with you bussing is so much more common on this site that I'm still failing to consider it as a possibility sometimes. So I guess not liking my post would still be logical.

I don't still think pm is scum, thanks for reading. I said she was town about 4 posts ago.

[Approximately Normal Guy]

The whole game you've had a scum read on Mollie, or, if not that, then at least not a town read, and then all of a sudden, your "gut" reads town on her?

My initial scum read wasn't a strong one. I've seen nothing from majiffy to make me distrust him, and he seemed to think the reaction was just a nulltell from pm. After he said that was when I unvoted and went onto venmar.

My reads have been kinda swingy this game because I'm not getting anything firm on anyone. But I haven't thought pm was scum for a while.

When I did my catch up was when I actually started painting a picture of who is what in this game, which is why I finished by saying my town reads.

[Approximately Normal Guy]

Actually looking at my own ISO reminded me that I didn't vote pm for the reaction thing, it was the RVS wagon. The reaction came after, and that's when I decided pm was probably fine, and that the RVS wagon was pretty dumb to begin with.

Looking back with a different perspective and realizing cryo was pushing the whole pm thing in the first place may be causing me some bias here. But I still want to see more votes there.

[Approximately Normal Guy]

Oh, are we finally lynching Cryo?

choo choo all aboard

[Approximately Normal Guy]

I'm not seeing a Cryo lynch right now.
UNVOTE:
I'll find some place for my vote soon.

Why the unvote, exactly?

[Approximately Normal Guy]

Look at the vote count. Any vote is an early bandwagon vote right now.

And that thing you call a misrep is known as paraphrasing. You called him a VI then attacked his posts. What other purpose could the Jon quotes have than to cast suspicion?

[Approximately Normal Guy]

Look at the vote count. Any vote is an early bandwagon vote right now.

And that thing you call a misrep is known as paraphrasing. You called him a VI then attacked his posts. What other purpose could the Jon quotes have than to cast suspicion?

ANG: That thing you call a paraphrase is in quotation marks thus not a paraphrase. Grats on the 4th grade education.

To summarize your vote: you link 2 posts, done by separate heads, and fail at "paraphrase" ing them into something scummy. Then you defend our accusations of such with the above thought process? (we use the term "thought process" VERY loosely here...)

You can't seriously be accusing me of blatantly misquoting you and implying that those words were exactly what you said. Obviously I was stating the implications of your words, not the words themselves. Insulting my education isn't scoring you any town points here.

[Approximately Normal Guy]

Both my education and intelligence, actually, with the "thought process" bit

[Approximately Normal Guy]

I don't understand why you are so hung up on the presence of quotation marks.

I didn't say anything about it indicating your alignment, I simply said it's not making you look like town.

[Approximately Normal Guy]

Also, you bolded me explicitly saying I was NOT quoting your exact words, and used it as evidence that I was quoting your exact words.

[Approximately Normal Guy]

What did you mean by the "can't tell if further VI or cog dis" part?

[Approximately Normal Guy]

Aj, where does he do the same thing that Cryo did in 93?

Aj should answer this.

wrt bold: that

is

taking a stance on their alignment, by saying that what they are doing doesn't make them look like town, at least IMO. and it kind of looks like you don't even have confidence in your vote.

Just because something doesn't make you look more like town doesn't mean it pushes you closer to the scum end of the spectrum.

[Approximately Normal Guy]

Aj should answer this.

I've already said this: Post 91, post 86. They were BAD posts attacking mollie, in ways that are unhelpful to the town.

Here is 86

Well this is a totally different atmosphere than the newbie game.

*adjusts hat and belt*

I like the PM wagon more than jon's. Scum trying to joke can easily come out forced and/or awkward. Jon's style just seems to rub people the wrong way, which I'm not prepared to fault him for.

I mean come on, the flavor is freakin' DRAGONS.

UNVOTE: BBmolla
VOTE: pirate mollie

I think it's a bit of a stretch to compare this to the way cryo attacked pm, yeah?


And 91

Wow. Defensive, indeed.

Can someone explain whats so bad about this? She was overly defensive. I was like, "whoa, you're being defensive". I thought it was scummy. Am I not supposed to say anything?


@cooldog I would love for you to explain why it is you think I'm town

[Approximately Normal Guy]

@cryo, I didn't ask what you meant about the cog dis part because I thought I knew what you meant, and I thought it was the scum variety. Hence why I would say what I did. It appeared to me that you were trying to say he was VI in one sentence and scummy in the next.

[Approximately Normal Guy]

Lol that vote

[Approximately Normal Guy]

If I make train noises they'll definitely think I'm town! I'm so devious.

[Approximately Normal Guy]

I'm sorry that you believe that.

[Approximately Normal Guy]

So who all finds me scummy again?

why do you care?

Answer my question, please.

[Approximately Normal Guy]

@cooldog I would love for you to explain why it is you think I'm town

- Only scum are curious about why they're called town to be honest. Considering you just got a lot of flak thrown on you, i'm not surprised you would like to know what made you look town in the first place so you could try emphasize on that.

This justification for calling me scum is flimsy at best.

[Approximately Normal Guy]

@cooldog I would love for you to explain why it is you think I'm town

- Only scum are curious about why they're called town to be honest. Considering you just got a lot of flak thrown on you, i'm not surprised you would like to know what made you look town in the first place so you could try emphasize on that.

Do you see me pushing your lynch?

Venmar is probably scum.

[Approximately Normal Guy]

Also, anyone remember why ang is voting us and is now not commenting on this wagon and the speed in which we got to L-1? He seems super happy to let you do all the pushing on it even though he's the only one on it with a "case"....interesting. more on that later tonight as well probably.

P.edit. my bad, read Mollie as we say BB for a short version of molla..

Funny you should say this. I'm inclined to believe you right now.

My admittedly half-assed case is completely undermined by the two heads making different posts and my misinterpretation of the comment about jon.

UNVOTE: Cryo

I didn't say anything because I wanted to see how people reacted to the wagon. AJ and Maestro I like the least. Putting my vote back where it was.

VOTE: Maestro

Off to take a midterm now, wish me luck.

[Approximately Normal Guy]

I said you were no longer useless. There is a difference.

Calling me scum and then agreeing when I call your reasoning poor is scummy.

[Approximately Normal Guy]

I said your justification was flimsy.

Your response was to point out that you weren't voting me for it, implying you didn't much believe in it to begin with.

Flailing shit, really?

[Approximately Normal Guy]

You said only scum does what I did. The implications there are pretty straightforward. Whether you are voting me does not affect you thinking I'm scum. But rather than justify your declaration when I questioned it, you just shrugged it off.

What you did is scummy whether it's against me or not, so OMGUS isn't much of a factor here.

[Approximately Normal Guy]

As for maestro:

Lurks, stops in to inform us he will continue lurking, stops in again to say he'll catch up, doesn't, sheeps majiffy 100%, and has yet to produce a thought whatsoever.

[Approximately Normal Guy]

You just changed your story about calling me scum from failing to vote you to something else, good job. You're right, it doesn't change my thought on whether or not you're scum.

Wrong.

Here, I'll help. Bold is my implication.

Your response was to point out that you weren't voting me for it,

(as opposed to supporting your argument)

implying you didn't much believe in it to begin with.

[Approximately Normal Guy]

2nd head checking in and answering you, BB.

Fuck p459. That's ScumPosting if I've ever read it. ANG had no problems pushing this Wagon as fast as possible and he bailed as soon as he saw that our MisLynch would be a lowly VT and not worth much? Lol...

Oh, are we finally lynching Cryo?

choo choo all aboard

Trying to write this off as some kind of huge reaction test that fizzles as soon as we Claim? We declare bullshit all over that. Lynch this Scum, friends.

VOTE: ANG

As if that post somehow implies I'm 100% sure and cannot possibly be wrong here. You didn't seem to have anything to say about it before, but now that I'm not voting you it makes me scum? Please.

How can you even begin to call me the scummiest person on your lynch, when the majority of the people went along with the reasoning you claim to be god awful (my case) without a bit of justification?

Get real.

[Approximately Normal Guy]

As an aside, this has nothing to do with cryo specifically, but I'm starting to dislike hydras as a thing.

[Approximately Normal Guy]

Don't hammer. I just read up and I'm literally on my way out to door for my last class before spring break. I will get back to this as soon as I can.

But a brief thing about the venmar exchange:

I asked cooldog to explain why he thought I was town simply because he was the only person saying so. He hadn't given any explanations for it, though. I'm clearly an easy mislynch target here; I didn't like the fact that exactly one person thought I was town for reasons he chose not to elaborate on.

Venmar said "only scum asks why they are town"; in other words, he called me scum.

I said that his reasoning was flimsy. At that point, if he thought I was really scum, he would have said something that would further his case or tell me I was wrong, or something. But he didn't, he just threw his hands up in the air and said "Well I'm not voting you." The two posts don't seem to come from the same mindset, now do they?

Like I said, running out the door, will be back later.

[Approximately Normal Guy]

Dipshits. Oh well it's probably in towns best interest since I suck anyway.

Good job lynching one of the few actually scum hunting tho

[Approximately Normal Guy]

*sigh*

[Approximately Normal Guy]

Gut is saying Majiffy, cooldog, and PM are town.

lol

[Approximately Normal Guy]

Good job town. It's probably a great thing I was lynched D1, considering my reads and the fact that I had unlimited vig shots.

[Approximately Normal Guy]

Gut is saying Majiffy, cooldog, and PM are town.

lol

I wanted to hold you and pat your head when you made that post.

here

(((ANG)))

More like bite my head off and roast my body, right?

[Approximately Normal Guy]

Oh, and I've been wanting to say this for a long time, in regards to how D1 went down.

BBMolla's signature:

Hammer without a claim is a policy lynch. No exceptions.

Would have served well here.