Newbie 1339 - Game Over! (Scum Win)

[GuyInFreezer]

[INSERT NECESSARY GREETINGS AND PROMISE TO REREAD HERE]

This should be easy to catch up since there's only 12 pages.

[GuyInFreezer]

Oh. I have a vote on.
UNVOTE:
for now.

That's the thing. You ONLY say something when someone directs something at you.
You're not posting your thoughts, you're only defending yourself.

Nice try. But this is the first time someone talks directly to me.

So is that mean you won't ever talk unless someone talks to you directly?

Skimming over stuff for now and I see mostly a theory discussion. -.-

The post quota things and no-lynch discussion is something I'll have to look over closely.

[GuyInFreezer]

It's too late night here so I'll be posting reads of who I ISO'd so far.

Fuzzy - first of all, his post 137. It looks like a scumbluff to me(psh, I'm not scared of your vote!). many of his actions looks scummy during that NL discussion. Constant "meta me" defence (193,202) didn't look good. With 4 games, meta doesn't help people much. Also, I see the "meta me" defense as llazy defense. Also with the nl vote and saying "is there any scums this game?" Strikes as he wasn't actively scumhunting. (176). Post 278 looks like he is happy that he escaped the pressure that was on him. Leaning scum.

Varsoon: I don't like his "I'm a newb. Understand me" stuffs. It sounds like he's setting up so that he might cover his "slips" with the "I'm a newb" excuse. I didn't like his reaction against NS's reads AT ALL. Also at one point he calls over-eager to scumhunt a scumtell. What? His post 121 looks weird (the part about he being sorry for making a case on RY.) However, his play in general seems pro-town, such as trying to generate more discussions and stuff. So for now, null.

I'll do the rest tomorrow.

@Rem: coaching your scumbuddy fuzzy in post 309?

[GuyInFreezer]

Oops. My bad. "Cheering" is better word to use.
And no I ain't scum.

[GuyInFreezer]

@kururu - what's your opinion on Nacho?

[GuyInFreezer]

@RY: why do you have weaker scumread on fuzzy as before?

(Sorry if my grammar is horribad. English is my 2nd language after all.)

[GuyInFreezer]

More reads.

First of all

@Mod: ANG needs to be prodded.

ANG: he's being reasonable all right. But he haven't voted anyone. (He just unvoted his RVS vote) also, I can't find his scumreads at all. I don't know that's a scumtell or not. Otherwise, not much to go on. I can't get solid read on him 'til he posts more. Null

NS: his post 79 is....wut. I believe that post was for fishing out tractions and stuff. Generally, his posts are short and clean and I like that. Generally, he's scumhunting and stuff and he makes his opinion clear. Leaning town.

[GuyInFreezer]

EBWOP: reaction, not traction. Where the hell did word traction came from? -.-

[GuyInFreezer]

Now continue with my reads (more like notes now XD).

RY

: post 63 seems town-ish. his post 86 skips the read about ANG, and then immediately votes ANG in post 88 saying "oh I forgot about him. also, he's my biggest scumread." It looks kinda awkward. His post 82 seems like he's just riding the general flow of the game. Oh. He admits that in post 112. In post 148, he points out fuzzy on not telling people fuzzy's change on V's read. Neither did RY at that point. His read changes in post 152 and.... V is in town again suddenly? And that was after Nacho pointing out that RY changed his read too quickly. First town-ish post in Post 216 from him imo. In post 218, he calls Nacho's post 207 as "obvious town post" and calls him a big townread. As far as I can see, I only see post 207 as IC post. In post 272.... uh... where did that Kuror0 vote came from? Post 274 he suddenly decided to "keep on eyes on nacho."

He seems flip-floppy, tends to ride the general flow of the game and stuff. Overall, leaning scum.

Rem

: I've been

stalking him

following some of his games and he seems like he really hates people calling him scum. So far, I see it as a personality stuff. (It's fun to poke him though ) No reads on him so far. Kitie really didn't post much, and it seems like Rem haven't finish his re-read so far. I guess Null for now.

Nacho and Kuror0 left.

P-edit

Note to self: never joke-comment.

Notice that I haven't pushed him further regarding that or even placed a vote on him. I wasn't planning on attacking him with that one silly quote as that would be dumb. I just forgot to unvote at the last post I made, and just a unvote seemed kinda empty so I made a joke post.

[GuyInFreezer]

If I have to choose between RY and Fuzzy, I would choose RY. But let me finish my analyzing first.

[GuyInFreezer]

Rest of the reads:

Nachomamma8: His post 130 I can't set my mind upon. Few points from there I can see scumhunting going on, but it also seems like he's defending Varsoon and even coaching him. ("you're reacting too strongly. calm.") Like his interrogation on Fuzzy on post 132~139. He seems to ask questions that are not fillers but actually contentful questions. Other than what I pointed out, his play doesn't look scummy to me. He haven't worked on ANG and NS yet. Overall, leaning town.

Kuror0: Didn't do much until Post 201. Seems like the pressure on him was building from post 275. Since post 201, he was most entirely on Fuzzy it seems.

I would like to see his reads so far.

For now, null.

Conclusion: RY is the scummiest.

VOTE: RandomYoshi

[GuyInFreezer]

It seems like ANG is like gone since Friday or something. (Checked his profile) He might get replaced.

[GuyInFreezer]

It seems like ANG is like gone since Friday or something. (Checked his profile) He might get replaced.

Is this typically how noob games/games in general go?
I hate making reads when 1/3 to 1/2 of the players aren't even playing the game. It feels like I'm taking a test but I don't even get to see half of the questions.

Yeah. Flaking and replacement happens a lot in newbie games.

[GuyInFreezer]

Rem? He overreacts when somebody throws suspicion at him. Bit flip-floppy (or wishy-washy however people call it.)and vote parking.

I take his overreaction as his personality/playstyle, but being flip-floppy and vote parking is a scumtell imo.

Notice how he agrees with my "comment" and immediatly land on me after Nacho points me out for it.

Also, his "reaction test" on RY was terrible. Putting somebody in L-1 as "reaction vote" is bit too much. (Even though he unvoted kinda quickly.)

Rem, can I have your reads, please?

[GuyInFreezer]

Reaction tests are done with hope to see certain reaction from the target. If he doesn't know which reaction he hopes to get from the target, why reaction test at the first place? Also, randomly voting someone to L-1 with an excuse of "reaction test" is anti-town at least.

[GuyInFreezer]

L-1 is a critical and dangerous place, because 1 more vote means hammer. That's why we're stating L-1 vote or intent to hammer. To prevent derp-hammer and stuff. Putting someone in L-1 with weak reason (such at mentioned "reaction test") is putting someone in danger with weak reason. How is that pro-town?

@Rem: there is something called derp-hammer. And most of them comes from town.

[GuyInFreezer]

Do you know what derp-hammer is? Also 10/10 reads. Now care to explain those reads?

[GuyInFreezer]

@Rem: Explain how your reads will help us in D2 but not D1.

[GuyInFreezer]

@kuror0: reads shows your stance/alignment/thought process. Reads doesn't have to be solid. Reads are meant to be flexible.I don't see any reason to not post your reads at this point.

[GuyInFreezer]

Define "play."

[GuyInFreezer]

Ah, ok.

Looking like I don't care =/ caring. I've read the thread thrice you know

I've played Legend of Dragoon at least 7 times. I still find things I missed or forgot.

You just gotta be more thorough.

?
I don't get the reference.

[GuyInFreezer]

/shrug

I don't understand Rem's play at all -___-

[GuyInFreezer]

So let me ask you. You said you have read this thread 3 times. What did you learn from reading?

[GuyInFreezer]

So can you be serious now?

[GuyInFreezer]

Oh, because when I played my first game, I totally thought the scum knew all the PRS in the set up.

@As you should.

For someone who likes to be smart and discuss about the theories and stuff, this looks kinda uncharacteristic.

/shrug

I don't understand Rem's play at all -___-

And that paranoia. HAHAHA jesus. I love him. He's made this game easier.

Define your "paranoia"

Oh, I learned that not enough people have posted and they should post.

Kuror is slightly scummy, but may not be scum.

You are null, but you're quickly moving into my scumdar range. (sorry, you just remind me of rob13).

Fuzzy is null-leaning town.

Nobody special is null-leaning scum.

Nacho is null, with a capital N.

Yoshi is weird. And I'm going to do a serious indepth analysis of his play.

If you honestly expect me to have a read on average guy, you give me too much credit.

^ Yoshi's prob town too.

Don't mean to be annoying here. But his wagon is rising and falling too fast for scum not to be on it. Don't mean to rain on the scum's parade or anything, But there you go. Town's okay with his lynch, but scum are too, which mean's he's not scum.

I will answer these questions later Yoshi, but I have stuff to do. Sorry.

Try again.

I suggest everyone else conform with reality and agree with me. We now have

8 suspects

. 2 of them are scum.

We've just increased our percentage chance of winning, objectively speaking. Hoorah.

So you're backing down from your "self-conftown" stance?

Guess which player tried to mislead me?

Don't just say "oh he's misleading me." Prove him wrong if you think he's misleading you.

Town vs. Town. No good Kuror0. Not interested in that one, not pro-town.

You can't possibly know that's a town vs town. If you know, then it means you are scum. You have been quite fast to change your reads this game, especially big changes in few posts and haven't hesitated to call towns left and right, which is quite concerning. Seems you want to make everyone happy (more than the usual).

RandomYoshi is sheeping again and is therefore scum. joke but not so joke.

^

Hmm...

I guess so.

UNVOTE: kuror0
VOTE: Nobody Special

Pressure vote.

What's the point of "pressure voting" if you out the purpose of your vote?

inb4 RandomYoshi is sheeping again and is therefore scum.

Aw right! Scum admission!

Hi,

Nobody! *hugs* I'm town this game, no one tell you otherwise. They're lying and scum.

Hi Nacho, please don't be scum, I need to learn the ways of scum hunting.

Kuror! Why are you so scummy this game? Will read game again, but not liking your artificial play.

I've already explained how I want to do this right now GuyInFreezer. I want activity, and I will lie about my reads to get it if I need to.

This is scummy. Oh, so scummy.

This nudges you out of null and into scum.

It's too late night here so I'll be posting reads of who I ISO'd so far.


Varsoon: I don't like his "I'm a newb. Understand me" stuffs. It sounds like he's setting up so that he might cover his "slips" with the "I'm a newb" excuse. I didn't like his reaction against NS's reads AT ALL. Also at one point he calls over-eager to scumhunt a scumtell. What? His post 121 looks weird (the part about he being sorry for making a case on RY.) However, his play in general seems pro-town, such as trying to generate more discussions and stuff. So for now, null.

I'll do the rest tomorrow.

@Rem: coaching your scumbuddy fuzzy in post 309?

Oops. My bad. "Cheering" is better word to use.
And no I ain't scum.

Just going to put this here. If I'm right and I caught both scum with this reasoning I am insane and a genius. And should get nommed for best replacement. EVER.

If I am wrong, then I will have this as a demonstrations as a person. (*Plays the newbie card*)

@Kuror0: Thing to note here, I am tired. I am weird when I am tired. You know my meta by now.

What are you trying to prove with this? All I see from those quotes is you omgus-fosing the people who attacks you.

What's it matter Kuror0?

I'm just trying to generate information and they're both suspicious and this is the stuff Nacho was looking at. And Nacho is a million light years my better in scum hunting.

I'm just following him like a good little scum hunter.

Oh look. He admits sheeping. Last time someone did that in the game I was in, he was scum.

TL;DR

I need fuzzy to talk more, but for now these RY/Rem are my biggest scum read.

P-Edit:

Rem/fuzzy, Rem.

[GuyInFreezer]

What's the point of "pressure voting" if you out the purpose of your vote?

What, it's prohibited to do that?

No. But it's pointless.

Aw right! Scum admission!

lrn2joke

"Watch ppl fos me for doing this (mentioned) thing" is a scumtell.

[GuyInFreezer]

It's a scumbluff. By saying that "you're gonna call me out on doing this again," one is trying to justify his continuous scummy action with "I don't give a hoot about you think of me. I am what I am."

[GuyInFreezer]

So acknowledging oneself's scummy actions is a scumtell?

Not the acknowledging part. The "you're gonna call me out on it" part.

[GuyInFreezer]

Gunna wait on Nacho.

Your post is kinda scummy GuyInFreezer.

That tell is just proving me right.

This is preemptive defensiveness.

Why wait on Nacho? You called my post scummy, and it's your job to point that out. Oh wait, never mind. You publicly announced that you will sheep Nacho. Sheep more.

Also, explain how bluffing is a null tell.

[GuyInFreezer]

That doesn't tell me why you think bluffing is null tell.

[GuyInFreezer]

Now that's a scumslip.

[GuyInFreezer]

Because I did it. And I'm actually my alignment this game.

You can't all be town. So

one of you

is lying.

You're lying. Not joking.

Pretty happy parked here. Until Nacho tells me I suck and am crazy. Then I will go sulk in the corner.

There are 2 scums.

[GuyInFreezer]

Also, RY, what was your question that you want everyone to answer? I think I missed it.

[GuyInFreezer]

VOTE: RandomYoshi

[GuyInFreezer]

Not at all.

[GuyInFreezer]

Rem, you're next.

@RY: That's not helping at all. If you're a town, give us your final reads, etc.

[GuyInFreezer]

Yes.

[GuyInFreezer]

Looks better.

@Rem: now THIS is how you reaction test.

P-Edit: ikr?

[GuyInFreezer]

UNVOTE:

I'm confident calling RY town now. The reaction from him was genuine.

[GuyInFreezer]

Varsoon, with the thread developing like it has, who is the most scummy and why?

Starting to care less about you being scum or not.
No one's lynching you.

Most scummy? I'm still skeptical of the two new guys. Otherwise, everyone who lurks.
And Fuzzy.
So, like, everyone in this game.

Kuror0 is even scummier now, because he's clearly not paying attention to what he's been doing.
Nacho is my next scum read, but that's more gut than anything.
You're town, yoshi, because of Paranoia.
Varsoon is pretty much town imo too.
Everyone else is town for the same reason.

Not paying attention? I wouldn't count RVS votes for shit, and this is a weak point.
If Nacho is scum, he's playing really well.
I'm not so quick to write Yoshi off, but it feels like he's lynch-proof now.


UNVOTE: Random Yoshi
VOTE: Remembrance

Shut up.

Somebody's mad for RY not getting lynched.

[GuyInFreezer]

@V: not caring about RY because he ain't getting lynched? Elaborate.

[GuyInFreezer]

VOTE: Remembrance

I could've sworn that I did this with RY unvote.

[GuyInFreezer]

I would like to ask Rem what made him get a townread on me all of the sudden.

[GuyInFreezer]

Doing what GuyInfreezer just did goes against

his

win con. And so does it go for me. I'd be trolling if I were scum. This is how reads work. I don't believe

you

lied to me and were actually fooled by GuyInfreezer's bluff. If GuyInfreezer is scum, then he deserves to live to day two for having the balls to go against his won con to get there. Because he has directly aided town to get that level of trust and lowered his own chance of victory. Not day 3, but easily day 2.

Who is this "he"? Who is this "you"? Why would you troll as scum? Trolling will only get you a policy lynch on yourself, which is not favorable to you regardless of your alignment.

I don't want to be all "you probably should unvote me" because the last two times I did it, I just got voted more. But, you should probably unvote me. I don't work well under pressure. Seriously, I get distracted.

Are you seriously asking us to unvote you just because you don't work well under pressure? People who doesn't work under pressure is a very good wagon target because people can get a really good reaction out of them by just wagoning.

These reads are there for a reason. They change for a reason. Why the fuzzy read change? Because he's directly complained to me about my reads twice. His read of Varsoon seemed fake. And other such things. ISO him. He's doing a job of being town. But he hasn't directly scum hunted and I don't think Kuror is scum, especially when he keeps trying to correct my perspective (which, he needs to realize is that I'm not as confident about these things as I appear). Like I said, Fuzzy had the power, but he hasn't really used it to be more town. But to SEEM more town. The same with NS he's being too slow and appearing town, too late. Which is why I suspect him.

Don't just tell people to ISO themselves to prove your point. Once you make your point, it is your job to convince other people with various evidence that YOU found.

NS thought Yoshi was scum, when

he was in fact town

and told me I hit my head. Is this someone whos plans have been ruined or town suffering from minor cognitive dissonance? Why did he say that Varsoon was not so town? These are questions that deserve to be asked.

These kind of things are the part of the reason I have my vote on you. How are you SO sure that someone is town? People can be confident about calling someone town, but stating someone as "confirmed" town implies that you 100% KNOW that he's town. And at this point, who knows which people are 100% town? Scums.

I might seem overconfident, but I spent twenty minutes analyzing Yoshi's posts making sure I just didn't get wifomed before coming to the conclusion that he was town, I'm more cautious than most of you. GuyInfreezer is more overconfident than I am for quickly calling that Yoshi was town when he very well might have faked his death posts (but I've read it and read his iso and am satisfied that scum would not play like he has). His perspective on my lack of "faith" in my own reads is something I can emphasize with, because

I don't know who's scum and who is not

, I just know who probably isn't scum and who is probably town and who gives us the most information when they flip

This directly contradicts your previous paragraph.

Two heavily leaning town members at this point is bad for scum. Extremely bad for scum. Scum don't do what I just did. But, I'm used to not being listened too yet and as well I shouldn't be, it's day 1. But like I said what I'm doing is providing information for day 2. And

Well, I'd really appreciate if you'd let me live to day 2

, because the only case on me so far is, "Too sure of himself, oh and his reads flip every few pages" How this has gotten me to l-2 is beyond me.

I'm beginning to see a survivalism from you, which is almost always a scumtell.

I think Varsoon and Yoshi are town. Who doesn't think they are town and doing the greatest con-game ever? I don't think they are. They're town to me. If that makes me suspicious then so be it.

It will make you suspicious of course. BTW I have Varsoon as null. I didn't like his "oh RY is not getting lynched. Moving on." part.

Why is it that all 3

probable

town members are voted on me? I don't get it. Maybe GuyInfreezer is just trying to bug me, like he knows it does. Get off. Better spent elsewhere. I am scum hunting. Meta me. I might be flailing but I am town and the fact you guys can't see it (Only mean Yoshi and Varsoon) is showing your clear inexperience. Which is good, because it just gives me more confidence in my reads about you two. But it's bad because you've both parked your vote where it shouldn't be. I shut up because Varsoon voted me and requested it of me. But Yoshi just paranoia voted me, not good.

Probable? You just called Varsoon and Yoshi town in your previous paragraph. Sure, I started with little joke-poke on you, but I've been serious for a while.

[GuyInFreezer]

@Mod: It's prod time for Nacho

[GuyInFreezer]

wait. nvm. 1 hour left. stupid summertime stuff.

p-edit: Woah there.

Saying "I'll flip town just saying" is a null-tell at best. What makes you think that scum will NOT say such thing?

[GuyInFreezer]

I'm not saying that it's the only reason that you think Yoshi is town. I'm asking your reasoning behind it, because imo you're not considering a wifom with your reasoning.

[GuyInFreezer]

Oops. Sorry. I had your posts and Varsoon's posts mixed up. (TBH, there were not much difference between you guys' posts lately <_<)

[GuyInFreezer]

FYI I was thinking of Varsoon's 603.

[GuyInFreezer]

That's IC's job, Rem.

Oh wait. He's not even here.

[GuyInFreezer]

You didn't get it, did you?

[GuyInFreezer]

That's IC's job, Rem.

Oh wait. He's not even here.

[GuyInFreezer]

Just stalked Nacho's profile and it seems like he's announcing his LA that lasts about a week. and we have about week left. :<

[GuyInFreezer]

Oh. I took it as "if I was scum I would troll"

[GuyInFreezer]

RY: Leaning town at this point
Rem: Leaning scum
Fuzzy: Null-Scum
Varoon: Null (Slowing climbing up my scumlist)
Nacho: Null-Town
kuror0: Null
NS: I still have him as leaning town
Goku: Null (Well, he really haven't posted much.)

If I didn't comment, that means my read still stays same as before.

Town Vs. Town, I'd say.

why?

[GuyInFreezer]

No really, you saw that post and was impressed? Get ready for my L-1 post, if I get there.

That would be lethal and the final nail in the coffin for scum. I suggest they don't.

This guy really want himself in L-1. Give it to him, guys.

[GuyInFreezer]

I can tell you why in one sentence why you are climbing up my scumlist.

You're climbing up my scumlist because of your weird reaction regarding RY wagon (kinda) falling apart.

[GuyInFreezer]

It's not about your vote. It's this one sentence that irks me.

Starting to care less about you being scum or not.
No one's lynching you.

[GuyInFreezer]

What's your read on Nacho again?

[GuyInFreezer]

That's a scum slip.

I don't see it. Can you point it out for me?

Would scum poE themselves?

Define "PoEing oneself." You've been saying this quite a lot, but I don't understand the concept of PoEing oneself. (Btw I know what the term PoE is so you don't have to explain the definition.)

[GuyInFreezer]

So basically what Rem is saying is that he's town because he claimed town?
If so
@Rem: would you think NS as town if he claimed town as well?

[GuyInFreezer]

What's your definition of "confirmed"?

[GuyInFreezer]

......

And I was so close to put you into my townlist

[GuyInFreezer]

Agreed. We need a general consensus (or however the hell you spell it.)

I want Rem lynched today tbh. I don't see NS scum either except for that one awkward RY vote.

[GuyInFreezer]

UNVOTE:

[GuyInFreezer]

@Varsoon: for now, Rem is town.

[GuyInFreezer]

Also, how about a read on me, goku, and kuror0?

[GuyInFreezer]

Also, if we're gonna lynch, we should lynch within 3 days, not push it to the deadline.

The last thing we want to see is the person we're trying to lynch a day before deadline claiming a power role.

[GuyInFreezer]

Edit: try to lynch

[GuyInFreezer]

So what is martyring?

Here are my scumlist:
-Rem (hell you know the reason.)
-Fuzzy (Still haven't done anything to change my read on him since my first read on him :<)
-Goku (This is pretty much PoE)

I don't want to lynch Rem today, though (he can be lynched tomorrow). So that leaves Fuzzy and Goku for my lynch choice today.

I still don't see how NS is scum, so someone will have to enlighten me about it with details and stuff.

[GuyInFreezer]

for a second there I thought it was a hammer

[GuyInFreezer]

Sooo...a Rem and Yoshi scum team then?

Exactly what I thought about upon reading post 799.

[GuyInFreezer]

Oh look. Now look at him breadcrumbing a PR claim. That's rich.

VOTE: Remembrance

[GuyInFreezer]

I don't remember you claiming vanilla. Maybe I missed it because of all your fluff posts.

Your breadcrumbing:

The reason

I didn't care whether Nacho was town or not is because I have a guaranteed way of catching scum him for one game.

If I absolutely need to explain it I will. But you just need to stop suspecting me and accept the fact that I'm town if you're town.

Varsoon is confirmed town after that admission from him. He's not going anywhere.

Yo town slipped, but you can fake town slips. Goku and NS are most likely scum then the next most likely scum come up and

I can catch Nacho day 2.

I unvoted you upon reading a first one, because I thought you legit PR slipped (Notice I didn't explain my unvote). But then you said it again. To me, it looks like you're trying to fakeslip PR so people don't lynch you, and that brings back to the survivalism I mentioned, which is scumtell.

[GuyInFreezer]

inb4 "I don't have to answer that because you're scum"

[GuyInFreezer]

Hey, kuror0. I see you down there. Do you think Goku and Rem is bussing each other?

[GuyInFreezer]

Holy shit I was gone for like 6 hours and already 3+ pages.
Catching up.

[GuyInFreezer]

@Rem: Why NS wagon instead of Goku wagon all of the sudden?

Maybe I can see Rem/Nacho team a bit... But I don't want to dig deep into that for now because it's just my gut feeling.

[GuyInFreezer]

That's why I don't want to go any further with my thought.

[GuyInFreezer]

Kuror0, who's in your scumlist atm? (Fuzzy can answer this too.)

[GuyInFreezer]

I'm currently thinking about Nacho/Rem being possible scumteam.
Rem as newbscum could be helplessly sheeping more experienced scum.

Also, I think it's about time for me to stalk RY's previous games.

[GuyInFreezer]

@RY: why do you think NS is scum? Explain with your own words. I don't want to hear "because Rem/Nacho said so" as a reason.

[GuyInFreezer]

No Rem I read your point and I throughly understand.
I want RY's reason, not yours.

[GuyInFreezer]

Town. Very sheepish one.

[GuyInFreezer]

@Kuror0: I agree with you on townhunting vs scumhunting. Also, scumhunting is more fun and satisfactory.

Also, I do hide my login (as some of you probably have realized by now.) Because I'm in like 3 games right now.

@RY: tbh, quite weak. But then, NS didn't post much to begin with. Do you happen to know his town meta? Does he usually lurk this much as town?

Also about lurking, I usually take that a newbscum tell. I'm gonna dig around NS's meta to consolidate my read on him.

[GuyInFreezer]

I think it's probably safe to say that Nacho is prod dodging at this point.

[GuyInFreezer]

I already made that decision that NS is prod dodging already. I just didn't say it out loud publicly.

[GuyInFreezer]

I thought you thought him as a town. What gives?

[GuyInFreezer]

@Mod: NS is due to a prod.

[GuyInFreezer]

Holy quickhammer Varsoon.

Why u do that?

If you waited for like 6 hours, I would've been able to post in D2.

[GuyInFreezer]

In D2, I was leaning on either Nacho/Varsoon or Nacho/Goku, mainly because as I mentioned in D1, I began to have suspicion on Varsoon and Nacho went too inactive 2 be town. Goku we all know why. But I was mainly suspicious of Nacho because he is IC. Now that scumteam with Nacho is impossible, I would say Goku/Varsoon team.

[GuyInFreezer]

Ok. It sounded lazy as hell. Let me elaborate.

For Varsoon, I began to suspect him since that one comment on not caring about RY because he wasn't gonna get lynched. I know he gave reason to his sentence. But that comment got stuck deep in my mind. And then there was a quick-hammer. IIRC, his quickhammer was done with "let's get this over with" mindset. Um hello. Lolhammer on the day that mislynch creates LyLo? Also his reaction to NS's death statement didn't look genuine.

For Nacho, it was mixture with his inactiveness and my paranoia on IC in general. I didn't like how he suddenly liked my comment on RY's "scumbluff" when he disagreed with me on same topic D1. But then, he's confirmed town now.

For Goku, it's pretty much PoE for me, since I was thinking of Rem/(fuzzy/Nacho/Goku) D1, and Nacho/Varsoon/Goku D2. Because d1 I remember Nacho calling Goku a "useless joke alt scum" and nothing more. I had a feeling that Nacho and Goku is distancing each other, but then I was so sold on Rem-scum. D2 Nacho attacked Goku heavy so that's when I figured Nacho and Goku can't be a team.

For fuzzy, he pretty much is town 4 me via PoE. At this point, the only thing that bothers me is kuror0's death n1. But then, NK is like the most wifom-y thing to talk about.

[GuyInFreezer]

Popcorn fuzzy

[GuyInFreezer]

2 scums and 3 town. I have 2 scums on my list. Am I not allowed to put someone via PoE?
What's your opinion on Fuzzy, then? Sounds like you have him as scum.

[GuyInFreezer]

Lurk? I was on V/LA. If you didn't lolquickhammer D2, I would've been there to comment.

[GuyInFreezer]

V: it's evasive, shady, and scummy if my point is baseless. Is it baseless? Am I pulling it out of nowhere? I don't think so.

RY: reason for calling me town? So you believe the "3rd on wagon" theory?

[GuyInFreezer]

Let's comment on Varsoon's reads. Weeeee.

1) basically most of his reads says "oh this guy is scummy. Let me iso him."
2) so what about fuzzy's L-1 act did you find scummy?
3) elaborate on my "antagonism" on Rem.
4) his read on RY I don't understand. Being wishy-washy I could see, but how is pressuring others to present read scummy? Also because I said V/Goku scumteam you say "oh it can be RY/Guy scumteam." OMGUS.
5) his conclusion: everyone is equally likely to be scum. My take on this is that this is too much for town paranoia. I want everyone to comment on this.

[GuyInFreezer]

3) that's because me and Rem are friends the reason that I replaced in this game in the first place was to play mafia with him. My "antagonism" was to get his reaction most of the time. I began to dislike his reactions. I pushed him more. That's what was happening D1.

4) he obviously asked me specifically to present my read because I wasn't around D2. I didn't see anything wrong with it. So you justify your OMGUS with reaction testing? Justifying one's scummy action with the excuse of reaction testing is scummy.

5) "I'm VT and you're scum because you're attacking me." Hmm... Guess who found that scummy D1?
You did? Why would you do something that you yourself found scummy?
Speaking of claims, why did you claim yesterday? You had no reason to claim at all yesterday.

@RY: that popcorn was for fos. Not claim.

[GuyInFreezer]

So if anyone parks a vote, I will slap them.

VOTE: Varsoon

Slap me.

UNVOTE:

[GuyInFreezer]

That same post 1106 is what's making your claim scummy - it's not just a claim, but a claim with AtE.

For other ppl, I'm still waiting for fuzzy and RY to answer my question (other than the #5) and my other scum suspect isn't even here. So till then, we can continue discussing.

[GuyInFreezer]

Also i'd really want to know why you claimed yesterday. I'm not seeing why.

[GuyInFreezer]

When I'm asking you a question like that, that's because I really can't find the answer among your post. Telling me to ISO won't work. Because I already read them and I still won't be able to find it. (Well maybe sometimes I just forget.) So just telling me would be faster for both you and me.
/englishismysecondlanguage

That's the only reason? You were just afraid that IC was making a case against you? Noted.

[GuyInFreezer]

Sounds reasonable, except for #8.

So you quickhammered NS, who you oscillated between him being town and scum, because you can push RY today? Wat?

[GuyInFreezer]

You still didn't tell me why you think I'm town, RY.
Also what is "scruntinised?"

[GuyInFreezer]

Actually, GiF, I require you to comment on my read on you. I don't want to incorrectly read anybody during this phase of the game.

Err. I hope you're not serious on this one. How would you want me to comment on your read on me when you just spammed it with "OMG GIF IS SOO TOWN IT HURTS MAN." Am I supposed to say "oh hei thanx mang u be mai bro 4evaa!" or something?

[GuyInFreezer]

Hi Fuzzy. What do you think of this? Especially #8.

Reasons behind my Quickhammer:

I hope that I can explain this in a step-by-step manner from the onset of Day 2.

1. Rem flips town.
2. NS is the person who hammered Rem. This makes me heavily suspicious. Especially since he did so without very much explanation as to why.
3. Kur0 is killed at night. One of the last posts Kur0 made was that he was going to go after NS if Rem flipped town. This plays to my earlier theory that scum is NK'ing targets who build suspicion against other townies. The same thing happened to Nacho, who started to build a case against me at the end of Day 2. If I'm lynched, scum wins via this tactic. On day 2, however, I fell for it, and suspected that NS was the one behind the NK of Kur0.
4. Nacho, who I believe to be the voice of reason in this game, voted for NS.
5. I respond on post 1057 by voting NS, speaking towards point #3 and point #1.
6. Post 1059. NS disengages and leaves to dinner. Say's he'll make posts later that night. He never does.
7. I pull back on the NS wagon, suspecting that Nacho could be pushing it for that early lynch. It's here that I begin to suspect that Nacho is scum and I go back to my initial reasoning that NS is just inactive town.
8. I see Yoshi put NS back at L-1. Having built cases against Yoshi in the past, I see this as a chance to quickhammer NS, who could be scum, and if he flips town, to have pretty definitive evidence that Yoshi is scum for putting NS at L-1.
9. I was frustrated with the length of our game.
10. I wanted to move on to other games. (This and 9 are evident in post 1106)
11. I was pressured IRL to get off the computer by a friend, who wanted to record more of a LP series we were doing, since he had to leave in about an hour or so.
12. With all of this in mind, I quickhammered NS, crossed my fingers that he was scum, and was hopeful that if he flipped town, it'd give me vital info on my usual scum-suspect, Yoshi.

[GuyInFreezer]

At this point, my read on Varsoon is very conflicting.

His play today is town as hell but yet the stuff that I pointed out (claiming early out of fear etc) still bothers me.

[GuyInFreezer]

Gokuuuu where art thou? Staph yer lurkin' and get ova here and play with us

[GuyInFreezer]

Freezer, what is your read on fuzzy?

Null, since my read on Varsoon is oscillating at this moment.

VOTE: Goku

Just got on to check thread when I woke up, but
As town, why would you slam a vote without hearing a defense?
If both scum slam votes on the potential town, town loses.
If you're scum, it's your wincon.
If Goku is scum, then it's a good play, but it's still obtuse to do that on an

inactive player

who hasn't even made any defense in the last few days.
Please explain your vote to me.

I see his name popping on the bottom sometimes, but he haven't posted yet. I'm pretty sure he's lurking rather than being inactive.

I have Goku as strong Scum on my reads. I have GuyInFreezer as strong Town on my reads. While I originally thought that the scumteam was fuzzybutternut/Goku,

your Town-feeling is starting to disappear slowly

. In other words, my vote is a reaction test.

Explain.

[GuyInFreezer]

Woah there hold your horses
VOTE: marcmann2

I counterclaim a PR

[GuyInFreezer]

Wait.

GiF, are

you

the Town Cop?

I don't know if I should out which PR I am. I don't want scums to know what exactly I am. If I have to, I will full claim with my reports and whatnot.

[GuyInFreezer]

Nacho, Varsoon. In that order.

[GuyInFreezer]

Let me counter that. Cop with sudden guilty on LyLo? And not outing that in the BEGINNING of the day? I found THAT odd. Especially with lurking for 2.5 days.

[GuyInFreezer]

Softclaim? That's a HARDclaim.

[GuyInFreezer]

I think marc could be bussing but I don't really see a point to that.
And look. Marc isn't even panicking. If he was real, he should be panicking hardcore because his "guilty" has a hammer at this point.

[GuyInFreezer]

Goku was.

[GuyInFreezer]

Also you seem awfully calm when your "guilty" has a hammer. How odd.

P-edit: we caught him lurking few times. (Via the name showing at the bottom)

[GuyInFreezer]

Aw right. Marc. You tell me. Why would Goku keep the guilty report to himself when everyone suspected him?
And you can be calm when the active player who you got "guilty" on has your hammer? That's not town.
P-edit: I understand why you would do that, RY. But please read my point on him and reconsider. Real cop shouldn't be this damn calm when his guilty (who is active) has a hammer.

[GuyInFreezer]

We have a sure thing here. I mean I'm going to be dead come morning, but you guys will be able to lynch GIF and get us a townie win.

If you wish ro lynch me, why is your vote not on me?

[GuyInFreezer]

Lol, in this situation, 9 times out of 10, yes.

I went about it differently than you did, but there is no reason Goku would have withheld this information.
I suggest a NL.

Wtf fuzzy. NL means I die and scums win.

[GuyInFreezer]

Well he claimed cop. And he's fake.

[GuyInFreezer]

Well he DID fish me out. He claimed cop with guilty on you out of the bat.

[GuyInFreezer]

You will see him flip scum. He cc'd me after all.

[GuyInFreezer]

Welp. Good luck day 4.

[GuyInFreezer]

If I don't make it alive tomorrow, don't EVER LYNCH RY! EVER!
It's between fuzzy and Varsoon!

[GuyInFreezer]

I don't know why -anyone- would make a role claim during lylo unless they were DEFINITELY that role.
Lying about a PR immediately makes anyone else who might be that PR know you're full of it.
Furthermore, the (usually) only way to know someone is or isn't a PR is to be scum.
It's a dumb play, regardless of alignment.

To be safe if the scums are happened to claim pr and goes un cc'd, and to fish out PRs.

[GuyInFreezer]

Jailed Fuzzy. So it means one of these options.

1) fuzzy is scum.
2) scum didn't kill.
3) fuzzy is saved.

[GuyInFreezer]

That marcmann introduced a lot of stuffs to consider yesterday.

1) was he bussing Varsoon? Was that why he was so calm yesterday?
2) he said he got inno on RY n1. Is that a buddying or covering?
3) even though fuzzy said he found varsoon/marcmann suspicious, he didn't vote for any of them.
4) RY telling me to jail fuzzy yesterday. What would be the motive?

[GuyInFreezer]

Before anything happens, I want everyone to comment on my #1286.

[GuyInFreezer]

That marcmann introduced a lot of stuffs to consider yesterday.

1) was he bussing Varsoon? Was that why he was so calm yesterday?
2) he said he got inno on RY n1. Is that a buddying or covering?
3) even though fuzzy said he found varsoon/marcmann suspicious, he didn't vote for any of them.
4) RY telling me to jail fuzzy yesterday. What would be the motive?

Scratch out #4. I forgot that I just claimed as PR yesterday.

[GuyInFreezer]

Yesterday, while I and Varsoon was yelling at each other, I found his posts pretty town. But I find the motive of some of his actions scummy still. (Claiming out of fear, and quickhammering NS so that he can prove you scum). Also, for marc claiming cop, it was pretty effortless for it to be scum eager to win in D3 LyLo. That gave me an uneasy feeling that he might be bussing Varsoon. But then, if he was, his play was downright stupid.

Yesterday, I also took notice of fuzzy quick-fosing Varsoon after my single post. I also took notice of him not voting neither of his scumreads (even after the cc)

Also, marc giving you "innocent" and you wanting me to target fuzzy (and following no-kill) gave me a doubt on my townread on you, but then I remembered that I claimed as PR, not jailkeeper yesterday. Therefore, you're back on my town read.

My choice to jailkeep Fuzzy was pretty much a diceroll.

Conclusion: My mind is still debating. It's probably an autowin for us but I would like to lynch correctly today to secure our town win. (If you are scum RY, we're pretty much screwed.)

I would like Varsoon and Fuzzy to comment on my post so that I can read them.

[GuyInFreezer]

1) fuzzy is scum.
2) scum didn't kill.

3) fuzzy is saved.

- This is probably not it. The only scenario that I can this happen is if RY is scum and tried to kill fuzzy so he can easy-lynch Varsoon tomorrow.

[GuyInFreezer]

EDIT: I can

see

this happen

[GuyInFreezer]

You know what? I'm second guessing myself too damn much since end of day 3. And it's giving me insane amount of headache. Second guessing will only bring more wifom and there's already a plenty of wifom as is right now.
I'm just gonna trust my gut. RY is not scum. He's not even leaning town. He's solid town in my book.

I don't think Varsoon as scum wouldn't try to no-kill anyway. That's what my inner voice say.

Fuzzy didn't vote most probably because he wanted to stay under the radar.

VOTE: fuzzybutternut

Let's win this game.

[GuyInFreezer]

If you're not scum, that means Varsoon is scum. Given the situation right now, how is varsoon scum instead of you?

[GuyInFreezer]

So who do you think is scum?

[GuyInFreezer]

I think it's near varsoon logging in time so
UNVOTE:
For now.

I want to hear from varsoon as well.

[GuyInFreezer]

Whoever I jail, scum won't kill. So there's no point of no-lynching. (Unless we wanna go "happily ever after" or whatever it's called.)

[GuyInFreezer]

Also, I remember asking RY why he feels Varsoon less townish yesterday but I don't remember him answering my question. Would like to hear from RY soon on that matter.

[GuyInFreezer]

Aha. Just as I thought. I see varsoon.

[GuyInFreezer]

Technically RY can be scum too.
He voted fuzzy and...just kinda left, which gives me an uneasy feeling.

[GuyInFreezer]

Bam

VOTE: fuzzy

[GuyInFreezer]

Sorry ppl.

[GuyInFreezer]

I just got lucky tbh.

[GuyInFreezer]

We know that, fuzzy.
I'm scum.

[GuyInFreezer]

It's not like I was gonna get lynched today anyway. Your fate was sealed!

[GuyInFreezer]

Hey all day 4 crews are here. Party time.

[GuyInFreezer]

Day 3 PR cc was planned btw.

[GuyInFreezer]

Also Rem's read is deadly accurate. (Remember his initial scumteam guess?)

[GuyInFreezer]

Hey give me a credit at least. I planned that since N2.
Also never claim unless it's absolutely necessary.
It was your claim that helped us figured out that there was only 1 PR in this game.

[GuyInFreezer]

Anyway, this is my first scum game. I look forward to play again with all of you, hopefully as town next time.

[GuyInFreezer]

[GuyInFreezer]

Marc I'm really sorry to bus you so soon. I know you didn't get to enjoy this game much, but hey. We won/

[GuyInFreezer]

Because I was a confirmed jailkeeper at that time.

[GuyInFreezer]

But I wasn't gonna kill anyway.

[GuyInFreezer]

Rem. You and me. Hydra.

[GuyInFreezer]

Woo records

@kuror0: because you were the least suspected, iirc.