Newbie 1339 - Game Over! (Scum Win)

[RandomYoshi]

VOTE: Nacho

I want nachos. Give me them.

[RandomYoshi]

this is the best rvs ever

[RandomYoshi]

how is the best avatar on the Internet disturbing

[RandomYoshi]

zomg the plot twists

they're trilling

[RandomYoshi]

can somebody do something scummy so we can get out of this stagnant rvs already

[RandomYoshi]

Hello everybody, let's have a nice game. I'm one of your SE's, so if you have any question about rules and stuff like that you can ask me and i will try to guide you in the right way.

VOTE: Normal Guy

He is creepy.

You're breaking my heart

What specifically were you replying to? His reason for his RV or his RV in and of itself?

[RandomYoshi]

EBWOP: Because either way I don't like it when people reply to RVs when they're RVs laid against them, if that makes sense. Scum doesn't generally want to have any votes for them. A Townie can deal with having a few misplaced votes on them as long as it doesn't reach the tipping point of a bandwagon — the number of votes required to lynch divided by two and rounding it down, or, alternatively, up.

[RandomYoshi]

How is discussing the likehood of a Town Cop existing in the setup relevant to Town's success?

[RandomYoshi]

In fact, if you were town, wouldn't you want to discuss things that might possibly lead to our success?

Yes, of course I'd want to discuss things that are beneficial for us Townies to win. I just wanted you to highlight how it could be contributing to our success as Town. In fact, all I wanted to know was your mindset behind the topics you brought up. Now that you have explained satisfactorily how it can help our success as Town, my question has been thoroughly answered.

[RandomYoshi]

That sounds like the best plan ever. Now, what should the quota be?

For the matter, Varsoon is the hugest Townread I have so far.

[RandomYoshi]

That's a great quota. Anything above that should also be appreciated. Any objections?

[RandomYoshi]

Care to explain why?

[RandomYoshi]

Varsoon is so much Town.

Anyway, the posting quota is appealing to me. Five posts per day should give us Townies a lot of discussion to base our votes on.

[RandomYoshi]

So can we start discussing the

actual game

as opposed to discussing the post quota?

[RandomYoshi]

Posting is part of the actual game, though.

If you want us to discuss, what exactly do you want us to discuss? Be a bit more specific than "the actual game".

Like, oh I don't know, votes, moves, and all that stuff? You know, deducing who is Scum and who is not?

[RandomYoshi]

Because quite honestly there is currently no such info available for us.

Sure, I might have a Townread on somebody but we need Scumreads on people to lynch correctly. POE won't take you there, I say. Though we know there are two Scum in the setup, we cannot have wrong Townreads that subsequently lead to mislynches.

[RandomYoshi]

@kuror0:
Opinions on Varsoon's play?

[RandomYoshi]

@Everyone:
Comments on the game so far?

[RandomYoshi]

Finally, something is happening.

Though I originally thought Varsoon was Town, I can definitely see where you're getting at. I'll wait until I've seen his reactions to being voted, then I'll see if my vote will change or not.

[RandomYoshi]

Side note-I love that avatar, Yoshi.

Why thank you.

[RandomYoshi]

Well,

Nacho is generally more involved in things. I'd like to see more from him.

I'm starting to have doubts on Varsoon's alignment. Might be Scum after all.

fuzzy is a slight Townread of mine for

actually getting the ball rolling

.

kitie needs to post more.

Nabber is seemingly only making fluff posts. Would like to see more input from him.

kuror0 has good points on what Varsoon is proposing. Probtown.

NS currently falls under the same category as kuror0 (going to call you k0, is that okay?).

That's all I have for now, and, with how little this game has actually moved, all I can deduce from what we're currently having available for us all to work with.

[RandomYoshi]

wait fuck, forgot to give an opinion on ang

ANG is falling in the same category as Varsoon. He's way too eager to have the posting quota implemented. Biggest scumread ATM.

UNVOTE: Nacho
VOTE: Approximately Normal Guy

[RandomYoshi]

can everyone produce some reads now

i'd like to have them in the thread asap

[RandomYoshi]

I am not an asshole. I am

terse

and

succinct.

Oh, and very blunt.

Excuse me, but I have no clue on what terse and succinct means. I'm not a native speaker of English. My Google-searches hasn't given me much to go with. Mind explaining what they mean?

[RandomYoshi]

If a post quota and policy lynches are such a bad idea, his flagrant support of it does seem a bit suspicious.

I tend to just go with what seems best at the moment. I always like it when people post, which was what made me like the idea initially.

Seems all-too-eager to scumhunt, and when Fuzzy entered the thread he was pretty quick to turn things about on me.

Of course I want to hunt the Scum! That's what you'll have to do as Town!

The fact he wants everyone to produce reads factors into my deduction that mafia want town turning on themselves early into the day.

I want everyone to have as much stuff to work with at any given time, what's so scummy about that?

Honestly, he's given me the most to work with, but he could just be a really anxious town.

I tend to be overtly anxious as whichever alignment I am, but it especially applies to when I'm Town.

I liked him out of the gate, but his read on varsoon seemed to change suddenly when fuzzy came in and voted him. He forgot me in his first post, then suddenly remembered I was his biggest scumread for supporting an idea he also supported. That just doesn't seem natural.

I was very tired when I posted my reads. That was what made me forget about you, apologies for that.

On the other hand, it seemed like you were pretty much hogging the thread for Varsoon to post his idea and such. It's like you planned that beforehand.

Anyway, @Varsoon:

Well, kuror0 makes valid points. Forcing people to talk could create unnecessary fluff for scum to hide behind.

So ANG can pass by with saying that having a post quota is a bad idea just because he's agreeing with someone who

didn't vote you

? But, when I agree that having it is a bad idea, and the one who I am agreeing with votes you, I am suddenly scummy? Can you explain this?

[RandomYoshi]

It's fine. I probably typed that post in a way that it could be misinterpreted easily. <_<

[RandomYoshi]

I guess an inactive is just an inactive, so that's a dead end for now, I suppose.

If it wasn't a dead end, where would you have liked the road to go?

[RandomYoshi]

That makes sense.

Anyway, anything scummy you're noticing?

[RandomYoshi]

In fact, if you were town, wouldn't you want to discuss things that might possibly lead to our success?

Yes, of course I'd want to discuss things that are beneficial for us Townies to win. I just wanted you to highlight how it could be contributing to our success as Town. In fact, all I wanted to know was your mindset behind the topics you brought up. Now that you have explained satisfactorily how it can help our success as Town, my question has been thoroughly answered.

I noticed you adjusting your phrasing to "us Townies" after Varsoon stated that you were referring to the town as you weren't part of it before, which is not necessarily a scumtell I subscribe to, but the adjustment itself/lack of response to this accusation is not something I find myself to be a huge fan of.

If it's something that you aren't such a huge fan of, why are you even going with it? And yeah, I do realise I could have pointed out how ridiculous the accusation was. Sadly, I was tired at the moment of writing that post so I didn't really that that into account.

He turned on Varsoon too quickly, and I haven't really liked all of the fence-sitting/lack of actual scumhunting that he's done so far.

I'm not used to games immediately starting off with a non-game related conversation (the posting quota) so I wasn't quite sure on how to get things started. However, as soon as fuzzy made the first game-related move (voting somebody), I felt obliged to go after what he said.


@fuzzy:
How can you deduce somebody is Town for getting reads out of next to nothing?

[RandomYoshi]

If it's something that you aren't such a huge fan of, why are you even going with it? And yeah, I do realise I could have pointed out how ridiculous the accusation was. Sadly, I was tired at the moment of writing that post so I didn't really that that into account.

When I say I'm not a huge fan of something, I mean that the thing is scummy. And why does fatigue make you hold defending yourself over calling out shitty attacks?

When I'm tired, I can't think clearly. It's literally that simple.

I'm not used to games immediately starting off with a non-game related conversation (the posting quota) so I wasn't quite sure on how to get things started. However, as soon as fuzzy made the first game-related move (voting somebody), I felt obliged to go after what he said.

I don't understand why.

fuzzy made the ball rolling. That was what made me think he was Town. But, I don't know if I should trust that read at the moment.

[RandomYoshi]

so why didn't you bring up the shitty attack on you when you were awake and clear-thinking again?

How in the world would I have been able to think that when I wasn't clear-thinking? But anyway, I get what you're saying. It was a stupid move on my part.

I'd suggest you start being more independent and stop sheeping people's thoughts just because you think they are town.

After thinking about it, yeah, it's stupid to sheep people's thoughts because I think they're town. That way, I can't actually defend my cases and my points seem forced.

[RandomYoshi]

give me some time to ISO and i'll form some coherent reads

[RandomYoshi]

something to ponder:

fuzzy is agreeing with reads left and right

87 — "Everyone else is pretty much the same as you."
111 — "I see what you mean about Yoshi, though. It's more of a newb-tell right now, though."

he still hasn't explained his sudden read flip on varsoon.

also:
87 — "The fact that you're deducing reads from little to nothing gives me a town read on you."

are you using second person to make it seem more ... idk, personal? welcome-y?

all in all, null leaning toward scum

i'm starting to get unsure about ang, but his reaction to my 112 seems odd

like, i get that i could have formatted the post better, but i still indicated that the quote was something i used to back up my question to varsoon

idk about nacho yet

do it before you get tired

it's 2 pm

why would i get tired when it's 2 pm

[RandomYoshi]

wait i'm almost certain that 87 is a huge buddying post atm

[RandomYoshi]

aaaand i think those are the only changes to my reads atm

[RandomYoshi]

town:
-varsoon
-kuror0
-nacho
-nabber (PoE)
-kitie (PoE)

scum:
-fuzzy
-ang

[RandomYoshi]

Yoshi, why are you so quick to agree with everyone who enters with a strong post? You did this with me, Fuzzy, and, now, Nacho. I would understand if we all made good points, but my post-quota suggestion -was not- a good point.

I've literally just stopped doing that. Nacho's point was the last one I agreed with, because it was logically good. I think I'm making some good, independent points at the moment; what are your thoughts on those?

[RandomYoshi]

Why did you jump in to answer a question that wasn't even aimed at you?

[RandomYoshi]

Are we positive we have scum in this game?

Why are you trying to derail Town from scumhunting? Obviously, there's Scum. In fact, there are two of them.

Not necessarily. Wanna see some games where it happened? Meta me.

You have been in four or five games. In my opinion, that's not enough for building a meta case of somebody — and, unless you have literally hundreds of games to work with, and the player you're reading is somewhat predictable, you can kiss goodbye to that sweet meta case defending your status as Town.

Someone claimed a PR, they were lynched, they flipped said PR. Town is it's own worst enemy sometimes.

I am interpreting this as you further wanting to seed plants of confusion in Town's mind. Why would you state that "Town is its worst enemy sometimes"?

*shrug* it's worked before, that's all I'm saying.

Please give me links to at least one hundred games that it has worked without anyone whining about the massive WIFOM status that analysing NKs has. Yeah, you won't find that many of those.

Stats mean nothing to me, as they are rarely 100% accurate, and you're basing stats off 2 games, when thousands of games have been on this site.

The statistics that are being talked about are based off of more than 850 games. They indeed have some merits.

Again, stats mean nothing to me.

Things based in facts mean nothing to you? What is this bullshit?

UNVOTE: Approximately Normal Guy
VOTE: fuzzybutternut

[RandomYoshi]

For the record, Nacho's 207 is an obvious Town post, so he's a strong townread of mine.

[RandomYoshi]

@Nacho:
It's combating the main issue with voting no lynch: there is no votee to react to being voted, which gives Town less things to work with. Sure, Scum could also do that, but with your recent posts it doesn't make much sense to call it a scummy post.

[RandomYoshi]

If I was sheeping in my 216, could you point out where I was sheeping?

[RandomYoshi]

I don't get this. If someone does a really scummy move like he did (voting no lynch on Day 1), I don't understand why only one or two players would vote the aforementioned someone who voted no lynch (whose reasoning was, in my opinion, absurd). And, when more issues with that vote have been taken up, it's only natural that at least someone else would join the bandwagon.

You'd think that, as town, if you were called out for doing something scummy, you'd try to avoid doing that kind of thing, as well.

If you're Town and you are called out on doing something scummy, then you would rather try to explain your actions to make them seem less scummy and not immediately stop with the scummy things without explaining your actions. Explaining your actions beats stopping with them abruptly tenfold.

[RandomYoshi]

@Nacho:
At first, Varsoon seemed Town for wanting to get the ball rolling. But, when he took too much time to get said ball rolling, it seemed like he actually didn't want to get the ball rolling. That was, IMO, scummy. Then after I had re-evaluated the situation, I realised that it was a noob-tell, and nothing else.

And sorry for not posting for a while. I've had schoolwork left and right. I'll try to be more active throughout the weekend.

On the other hand,
UNVOTE: fuzzy
VOTE: kuror0

[RandomYoshi]

On the other hand, I've never seen Nacho this lynch-happy before. I'll keep an eye open on you, Nacho.

[RandomYoshi]

Rememberance, I believe you asked everyone why they haven't produced more content. Well, simply put, I haven't been in the mood for Mafia lately (this was because I was mislynched in a game off-site for ridiculous reason), but I'm feeling in the mood right now so I'll see if I can't find something to comment on (which is very likely, seeing as there's some more content to comment on).

So yeah, will produce reads today probably.

[RandomYoshi]

kuror0 is still scummy. I don't know about you, but his 171 looks like bussing. I might be wrong about that, though.

I am also starting to become less confident in my scumread of fuzzy. He's a null read ATM.

GuyInFreezer has only been making generic comments that haven't helped Town that much. But he hasn't posted that much so he's null for me at the moment.

Nobody Special is also a nobody in my reads: a null.

Varsoon is still Town.

My guts say that Rememberance is slight Town.

Nacho isn't as Town as I had thought him to be.

If you would like to be useful, you could take a position on one of those two!

This totally isn't you buttering up Varsoon. Nope, not in the slightest.

[RandomYoshi]

@RY: why do you have weaker scumread on fuzzy as before?

That's because he's stopped being so stubborn with his No Lynch. He's actually willing to contribute (which was seen in his and Rememberance's small little exchange), and he's putting up a good defence plus that he's actually starting to voice his thoughts.

Yoshi thought you said you would contribute now... all i see is a bunch of nulls reads. Contributing is not just posting your reads on people, especially when over half the players are null.

That's because there is literally nothing alignment-telling in the thread at the moment. I can't see any strong town vibes from anyone, and I can't see any strong scum vibes from anyone - everyone has had his ups and downs.

[RandomYoshi]

For the matter, I have two exams this week. One is on Wednesday, and one is on Friday. I will see if I can have a wall up by either Saturday or Sunday. But I might have it up tomorrow.

[RandomYoshi]

Before that though. Nacho, how is kuror0's reactions to being voted Town?

[RandomYoshi]

I want Nacho to elaborate on what he has said. How in the world is that a scumslip? It's promoting discussion, which is pro-Town.

[RandomYoshi]

GuyInFreezer, what is your opinion on Rememberance's play?

[RandomYoshi]

For the record, I am incredibly curious as to why kurur0 is Town for reacting like he did when he was voted. It can make me take new stances on this game, and even actually contributing to the game a substantial amount.

[RandomYoshi]

Because I don't know if it's me or something, but unless I've missed something then I really couldn't see anything new from his side when he was put on L-2/L-1.

[RandomYoshi]

I'm bad at Day 1. I don't have a flip to go after on Day 1. X_x

[RandomYoshi]

ANYWAY

Varsoon, can you please explain why you blindly unvoted kuror0 just because Nacho told you so?

@kuror0: Nope. It's always neat to have reasons provided with things as important as a read. And having multiple of them can catch the Scum with almost no effort at all. Trust me, this is how I actually scumhunt.

@Guy: BUSTED.

Rememberance is Town. His 376 is Townish. As Scum, he'd say "guys, he failed it. Let's lynch him." But that was not what he did. He asked an open question.to everyone. That is very Town.

[RandomYoshi]

kuror0, why are you waiting until almost-deadline to post your reads? Don't you realise that doing so is anti-Town, because then no-one can comment on them without hogging their computers?

[RandomYoshi]

Also, randomly voting someone to L-1 with an excuse of "reaction test" is anti-town at least.

How is that? It can give off alignment tells. Doing so is pro-Town.

[RandomYoshi]

So you don't actually believe in your own reads, Rememberance?

[RandomYoshi]

Ah. I just interpreted "I will lie about reads" as "I will not believe them", if that's understandable.

[RandomYoshi]

@Rem:
Scum has to lie about their reads. Sometimes, they don't trust their reads: they don't believe them, and they only want that damn mislynch happen. I guess that depends on how confident you are as Scum (I know myself to be really shaky as Scum so that's probably affecting me when I make these posts), though.

[RandomYoshi]

WHY ARE YOU ALL DROPPING SO MANY TOWN TELLS.

What Town-tells are you talking about?

NACHO -> TOWN

KUROR -> TOWN

FUZZY -> TOWN.

How?

[RandomYoshi]

And that we should lynch someone before the end of the day cycle.

With this being in the thread, who would you like to lynch and why?

[RandomYoshi]

Anyway, I've narrowed down my lynches for the day to Yoshi, NobodySpecial, GuyInFreezer, and maybe approximately Normal guy.

Can you list your reasons for lynching these? What would be gained if Nobody Special was lynched? What would be gained if GuyInFreezer was lynched? What would be gained if I was lynched? What would be gained if Approximately Normal Guy was lynched?

[RandomYoshi]

I think fuzzy is scum and you guys should totally sheep me on his lynch.

Why is he Scum?

[RandomYoshi]

Nacho is null, with a capital N.

NACHO -> TOWN

Explain this read flip, please.

[RandomYoshi]

He PoEd himself. What self-respecting scum PoE's himself.

I'm sorry, but who are you talking about?

[RandomYoshi]

And how am I prob Town?

@Rem: I haven't seen him do that, though. Unless he's posted his reads and I am blind, I'd like him to post his current reads.

[RandomYoshi]

Derp, now I see what you mean. x_X

Anyway, I'd still like answers to my other questions.

[RandomYoshi]

fuzzy, who is scum and why?

@Rem: I would guess GuyInFreezer?

[RandomYoshi]

Guess which player tried to mislead me?

Hmm... could it be Nobody Special?

[RandomYoshi]

GuyInFreezer, what is your opinion on Nobody Special's play?

[RandomYoshi]

If I interpret this correctly, then I would guess that you're currently under the impression that the scumteam is Nobody Special and GuyInFreezer. Am I right?

[RandomYoshi]

Hmm...

I guess so.

UNVOTE: kuror0
VOTE: Nobody Special

Pressure vote.

inb4 RandomYoshi is sheeping again and is therefore scum.

[RandomYoshi]

Also, does anyone else find it odd how Nobody Special thinks the best lynch for the Day is me but he's still voting fuzzy?

[RandomYoshi]

Rem, I think you're Town and all, but it'd be awesome if you could rest up and then come back so I can actually solidify my read on you.

[RandomYoshi]

So what are your thoughts on fuzzy right now?

[RandomYoshi]

@Everyone:

If I flip Town, who will become the best lynch for Day 2? And if I flip Scum, who will become the best lynch for Day 2?

[RandomYoshi]

What's the point of "pressure voting" if you out the purpose of your vote?

What, it's prohibited to do that?

Aw right! Scum admission!

lrn2joke

[RandomYoshi]

No. But it's pointless.

Fair point.

"Watch ppl fos me for doing this (mentioned) thing" is a scumtell.

How is it a scumtell?

[RandomYoshi]

Yoshi, why did you /in for a new game when you're on V/LA?
Do you think you're going to be lynched soon?

My V/LA status ends on Friday. And just because I'm on V/LA doesn't mean I can't get in some time to post, right? And about being lynched soon, I kind of expect that happening any time now. I mean, I'm at L-1 and I've been kind of scummy throughout the entire game. Unless I can whip up some amazing defence, there's no way I'll be able to survive this Day alive.

It's a scumbluff. By saying that "you're gonna call me out on doing this again," one is trying to justify his continuous scummy action with "I don't give a hoot about you think of me. I am what I am."

So acknowledging oneself's scummy actions is a scumtell?

[RandomYoshi]

Do you mean me?

[RandomYoshi]

If you mean me, then I'm Town.

[RandomYoshi]

Not the acknowledging part. The "you're gonna call me out on it" part.

Fair point, I guess.

---

Anyway, before anyone even considers to hammer me, let everyone reply to my questions.

[RandomYoshi]

How is it a scumslip?

[RandomYoshi]

@Guy:

Spoiler: The questions

WHY ARE YOU ALL DROPPING SO MANY TOWN TELLS.

What Town-tells are you talking about?

NACHO -> TOWN

KUROR -> TOWN

FUZZY -> TOWN.

How?

And that we should lynch someone before the end of the day cycle.

With this being in the thread, who would you like to lynch and why?

Anyway, I've narrowed down my lynches for the day to Yoshi, NobodySpecial, GuyInFreezer, and maybe approximately Normal guy.

Can you list your reasons for lynching these? What would be gained if Nobody Special was lynched? What would be gained if GuyInFreezer was lynched? What would be gained if I was lynched? What would be gained if Approximately Normal Guy was lynched?

I think fuzzy is scum and you guys should totally sheep me on his lynch.

Why is he Scum?

[RandomYoshi]

I'll flip Town, just saying.

[RandomYoshi]

Now that I think about it, I might even self-hammer and win this game for Town from the grave. Should I do this?

[RandomYoshi]

lolok

[RandomYoshi]

R.I.P.

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RandomYoshi

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Vanilla Townie

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Mislynched Day 1 for stupid reasons.

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May he win the game for the Town from his grave.

[RandomYoshi]

Okay, my final reads are as follows:

I don't like how forced Guy's reads on Nobody are. It's possible that he's trying make an awkward townread on his scumbuddy.

Nobody is misleading everyone too much. That's scummy.

Nacho is town-leading null. He needs to post more on Day 2. But if he keeps this lurking up, he might be scum.

Rem is town for not hammering me like Guy did.

Varsoon is still obvtown.

kuror0 is town-leaning null. His reactions to being voted are actually pretty Town.

fuzzy is Town for how he reacted to being voted on when he voted a No Lynch.

[RandomYoshi]

Also, Rem even advocated

against

me self-hammering. That's pretty Town.

[RandomYoshi]

UNVOTE: GuyInfreezer

what? why?

[RandomYoshi]

@Rem: LOL.

@fuzzy: why?

[RandomYoshi]

wait

guyinfreezer already had his vote on me

NOW I GET IT

THAT WAS A PRETTY GOOD REACTION TEST RIGHT THERE

[RandomYoshi]

Well, it was kind of directed at me. I am currently aware that the next vote for me is the one that hammers me. It's burnt into my mind. Therefore, me seeing a vote for me will cause me to react. And it will cause me to react pretty strongly, too. That's why it was a good reaction test.

[RandomYoshi]

I do indeed play better when I'm at L-1. When you're at L-1, you've got this huge pressure on you when you make every post to make sure you're not lynched. It's kind of natural that you'd step up your game when you're at L-1.

[RandomYoshi]

Yeah, still not liking Kuror0

Your reason for this is?

[RandomYoshi]

ALSO

kuror0, a bunch of null reads can help Town. By looking at who you attribute a null read to, it's easier to deduce your alignment. If you're Town, why would you want to avoid that? But if you're Scum, then I could see why you wouldn't want that to be deduced.

[RandomYoshi]

a hint of something about his play that throws me off.

Could you specify this?

[RandomYoshi]

@kuror0:

Let's say there's someone who is a strong townread of three or fewer players, but is a strong scumread of the rest of the players. Should you have a null read on that someone, it gives your alignment off. If you're Town, you'd like everyone to see things that they have — in your opinion — been completely oblivious to. But, if you're Scum, then you just want everyone to lay off of that scumread they have on your scumbuddy. Then, if you can manage to be influential enough from that, you'll be able to divert everyone's attention away from your scumbuddy and the townreads will just start dripping in like there's no end to it.

Keep in mind that the above explanation is

pretty general

and cannot be applied to every case.

[RandomYoshi]

.

post of the decade, right there

Kuro beat me to the top of the page.

[RandomYoshi]

Kuro beat me to the top of the page.

so sad

it's too sad

[RandomYoshi]

kuror0, is fuzzy still scum?

[RandomYoshi]

Varsoon, with the thread developing like it has, who is the most scummy and why?

[RandomYoshi]

@Everyone:

Who has been the most scummy and why?

[RandomYoshi]

JACKAL IS THE MOD, HE'S NOT TOWN IN ANY WAY

[RandomYoshi]

Also:

@Everyone:

If everyone was at L-1, who would you vote?

@Fuzzy: it was extremely lol, though. XD

[RandomYoshi]

VOTE: Remembrance

Shut up.

And why is this the best vote?

[RandomYoshi]

There's some interesting things in the thread ATM. Will comment on them tomorrow. For now,

UNVOTE: Nobody Special
VOTE: Nacomamma8

Stop not posting.

[RandomYoshi]

^Let me guess, he's buddying too much?

[RandomYoshi]

Before I have my exam, here's some food for thought: why does Remembrance mention Nachomamma8 that much?

[RandomYoshi]

But I must say that GuyInFreezeer's reaction test was genuine, making him pretty Town in my eyes.

[RandomYoshi]

And how does that make me confirmed Town?

[RandomYoshi]

Guys. Varsoon probably called it.

It's Fuzzy and NS.

Why? How? If they're the Scum, why aren't you voting either of them?

[RandomYoshi]

Also,

UNVOTE: Nachomamma8
VOTE: Remembrance

You seem to be way too quick to call people Town. Sometimes, there's no real indication as to why they're even Town. It seems like you're throwing townreads around like they're nothing at all, which is equatable to buddying. It also seems quite odd that you're being so quick to confirm me as Town

just as I was beginning to suspect you

.

Why are you doing this? Oh yeah, buddying. That's what you're doing.

[RandomYoshi]

It's not that hard to spot. Before you voted him, you were his strongest scumread. But when you voted him, you suddenly became a townread of his. Then, when I was beginning to suspect him, he puts me in a "confirmed Town club".

It's all so clear. He's also very, very quick to try to blend in.

Guys. Varsoon probably called it.

It's Fuzzy and NS.

This totally isn't you sheeping the collaborative townread's thoughts exactly. Nope, totally not.

[RandomYoshi]

Although, if he flips town, you're pretty screwed, Yoshi.

Why am I the only one who is screwed if Rem flips Town?

[RandomYoshi]

Town Vs. Town, I'd say.

UNVOTE: Remembrance
VOTE: fuzzybutternut

Stop parking your vote.

[RandomYoshi]

@Guy, what are your reads?

[RandomYoshi]

why?

It's a weak gut feeling I'm having.

pedit:

Well, I'm town. So at the very least he's half right.

...Weren't you just saying that Guy was Town, and that you trusted that?

[RandomYoshi]

Varsoon, Rem is at L-3, not L-2. The one who is at L-2 now is fuzzy.

[RandomYoshi]

Now that you mention it, doesn't it seem rather odd that NS voted for me just as a temporary move when it

actually put me up on L-1

? I don't see how putting someone on L-1 as a temporary move and then forgetting about undoing that move could be pro-Town at all.

UNVOTE: fuzzybutternut
VOTE: Nobody Special

[RandomYoshi]

Goku, finished that reread by now?

[RandomYoshi]

^I'm sorry to break it to you, but that's a terrible reason to declare someone being scum. You should be looking at what they're doing consistently, not what they happen to post just one time. Might I remind you of the effort post he made, the reaction test he pulled off that he closed off before an anti-town player could have benefited from it, and how town he's been in general?

For the matter, why are you on my bandwagon again?

[RandomYoshi]

I'll have some dinner, then I'll make a case about Nobody Special.

[RandomYoshi]

Don't need one. Silence is enough.

But I need to prove that I'm

actually not sheeping Nacho with this vote

.

[RandomYoshi]

I find it quite interesting that Yoshi's list of reads is missing someone.

The list he is talking about in this post missed out on Approximately Normal Guy. Goku, and, by extension, Approximately Normal Guy, is a weak scumread of mine. I can explain this read, but I will only do so if I am requested to.

Even factoring in the language issue, he just seems nervous and flighty. Also, putting two people in 'town' by PoE is .....odd, even though I understand the reasoning. I guess I'm a big fan of null reads.

I don't know Nobody Special's townmeta, but if he does put people in Town by PoE as Town, then this only strives to decrease the amount of townreads I had at the moment.

Nacho:
Well. Re-reading his iso, I have to shift nacho firmly to Null. He does agree with me on RY, and he disagrees with me on fuzzy. But he's just not doing any real scumhunting; he's only badgering people so far.

Okay, why was it necessary to even have Nacho as a townread if you only were going to dump him into null if someone

actually asked you about it

? Buddying, that's what.

This is scummy. Oh, so scummy.

This nudges you out of null and into scum.

Yeah, it nudged him out of null and into scum. If you were town, you would have pressure voted Remembrance to see how he reacted to deduce something about his alignment. But you didn't do that. Instead, you were lodged onto fuzzy's bandwagon and seemed to not care about anything else other than to get fuzzy lynched.

Hi, Remembrance. Help me lynch fuzzy.

"Hi, I'm your friendly townie! Care to lynch this guy?"

[RandomYoshi]

AM I SHEEPING NACHO OR AM I NOT SHEEPING NACHO

THAT IS THE QUESTION

[RandomYoshi]

Yeah, and Goku is scum for saying he read the thread

but actually haven't commented on

anything

that happened before he replaced in

.

FIGURE IT OUT, GUYS.

JUST FIGURE IT OUT ALREADY, GUYS.

TOWN DOESN'T DO THAT SHIT.

SCUM, WHO WANTS TO HINDER TOWN, DOES.

[RandomYoshi]

AND THEN HE SAYS THAT WE SHOULDN'T HAMMER NOBODY SPECIAL AND TRIES RESTARTING THE BANDWAGON AGAINST ME

THIS GAME IS LAUGHABLY EASY

[RandomYoshi]

Oh hey, look. I even explained my scumread on Goku. This Day went better than expected.

fuzzy: How?

[RandomYoshi]

You mean this exchange between us two?

[RandomYoshi]

EBWOP: "this" should be "that".

[RandomYoshi]

I'm not 100% sure that either of you have had any kind of scum read on each other, honestly.

A well-coordinated townteam can look very, very scummy, just saying.

OH MY GOD, GOKU HE TRIED TO PULL THE WE DON'T HAVE TIME FOR THIS CARD! Look at post #781

LOL

[RandomYoshi]

UNVOTE: Nobody Special
VOTE: Goku

[RandomYoshi]

Goku, could you comment on what happened before you replaced in?

[RandomYoshi]

Fuzzy, Town should comment on things and make their voice heard. That's what they should do if they're good townies. But, Goku did not do that. He just commented on what the recent happenings were. That's not pro-Town.

[RandomYoshi]

Fuzzy, realise how Goku attributed townpoints to you when you unvoted Goku but attributed scumpoints to me when I voted him for no apparent reason when I in fact already had my reasons out in the thread that supported my vote. He's just trying to mislead the Town, which is not pro-Town.

[RandomYoshi]

Has anyone noticed how Goku has managed to split the Town into pieces with just a few posts?

[RandomYoshi]

Remembrance is Town, which is why I am not participating in his lynch. His reaction test against me made me really certain that he was Town.

[RandomYoshi]

Yoshi is mah buddy. Just saying. *hugs* But he's my town buddy. Town need teams too you know. Or else how does town win?

HI TOWNBUDDY <3

[RandomYoshi]

I'll have one up tomorrow, Varsoon.

[RandomYoshi]

i dont want to hammer my townbuddy

[RandomYoshi]

I don't think scum wants to hammer you anyway. Scum wants this Day to end with a No-Lynch to make us not aware of that you're Town. That's why you need to be Town to hammer you.

[RandomYoshi]

Can you hop onto the Goku bandwagon instead?

[RandomYoshi]

UNVOTE: Goku
VOTE: Nobody Special

yay~

[RandomYoshi]

Varsoon, there is one very, very clear reason why Remembrance is Town. His interactions with everyone do not change. He questions person A the same way he questions person B. His questioning and behaviour is consistent, which it cannot be if he is Scum. This is because, if you are Scum, you need to fake your scumhunting. Now, while Remembrance has not done a whole lot of scumhunting, he has participated in a bunch of townhunting, which has made this game winnable for Town by the process of elimination. Making the game winnable for Town by the process of elimination does not strike me as good Scum-play at all. Considering that a single mislynch can get you lynched on the next Day if you are Scum and play like Remembrance has done, I think that, if this whole thing was a gambit, it would not give Remembrance that much at all. Essentially, it would be equatable to playing against your wincon. I am sure Remembrance does not do that. Playing against your wincon is stupid, no matter what faction you are on.

In short, Remembrance is Town because his process of questioning is genuine and consistent, and he wants to confirm people as Town — they way he has been doing this would not bear fruit if he was part of the anti-Town faction of the game. That, and playing like he has done is playing against his wincon if he is anti-Town.

[RandomYoshi]

Guy, I've already covered that in my post 792, in which I made my case against Nobody Special. If there is anything you disagree with or want me to comment on more, tell me so.

[RandomYoshi]

For the matter, what do you think I am? Town or Scum?

[RandomYoshi]

I've sadly been very sheepish in this game, yeah. In my first game here, I didn't sheep as much as I have done in this game. I should just drop the sheeping at once.

Anyway, what do you think about my case against Nobody Special?

[RandomYoshi]

kuror0, I see you're down there. Is there anything you'd like to comment on?

[RandomYoshi]

Goku doesn't think that Remembrance is Scum, while fuzzybutternut, kuror0, Varsoon and GuyInFreezer are on Remembrance's bandwagon. Goku is a scumread of Remembrance. Goku stated that he did not think that Remembrance was Scum when Remembrance was at L-1. Remembrance flipping Town will give away a lot of information to the Town. If Goku thought that Remembrance was Scum when Remembrance was at L-1, he would have probably hammered Remembrance. But he did not do that. This can be viewed from two different angles. One, Remembrance is actually Town and his flip will doom the game for Scum; two, Goku is Remembrance's scumbuddy and he doesn't want to hammer his scumbuddy. The second alternative is out of the way: I cannot see a Goku/Remembrance scumteam, and, if Remembrance flips Scum, then Nacho becomes my next suspect. No, I am not sheeping your thoughts here. I have been suspecting Remembrance's almost constant mentioning of Nacho being a clue to the scumteam. But with Remembrance's recent postings, I really can't see Remembrance flipping anything else than Town. He is nearly begging to be hammered, which would reveal a bunch of information to the Town. Again, this is Town behaviour, and this is why his bandwagon is bad, and that you should just hammer Nobody Special already.

But then again, I have not actually been able to solidify a read on Nacho. He's not posting as much as he usually posts. I want to see a bit more from Nacho before this Day ends.

[RandomYoshi]

VOTE: Nobody Special

[RandomYoshi]

I have intentions to hammer Remembrance to see what he flips.

[RandomYoshi]

Yeah, but that will also make everyone else see what he flips. If he flips Town (which is very likely), all of his posts may be more believable than they currently are. But, if he flips Scum, we're one down and one to go.

[RandomYoshi]

Let me guess ... Remembrance?

[RandomYoshi]

If Remembrance flips Town, I am going after Nobody Special on Day 2. If Remembrance flips Scum, I am going after Nacho on Day 2.

[RandomYoshi]

Remembrance, I would like you to list your final reads before this Day ends.

[RandomYoshi]

And with that, we just wait for the flip.

@NS

[RandomYoshi]

I'll do some bandwagon-analysis later today and see if that amounts to something.

[RandomYoshi]

Fuzzy, care to explain your views on GIF's play?

[RandomYoshi]

Nacho, comments on last Day?

[RandomYoshi]

I still don't like how Nobody Special put me on L-1 as a "temporary" move. But I'm not liking fuzzy's sheeping either.

VOTE: Nobody Special

Where's that post you promised?

[RandomYoshi]

If he flips town, Yoshi is confirmed for scum.

How does this hold true?

[RandomYoshi]

Why do you think that I'm scum? Summarise it before the Day ends.

[RandomYoshi]

So wait, you don't like that he put you at L-1, so you put him at L-1?

I didn't like it how he put me at L-1 as a

temporary

move.

[RandomYoshi]

Also if NS flips Town then I'd advocate for a lynch of fuzzy.

[RandomYoshi]

nacho how are you so sure that it'll be lylo next day?

[RandomYoshi]

nacho how are you so sure that it'll be lylo next day?

generally fucktarded hammers don't hit scum
maybe it did
i certainly was happy with the lynchee although it was way too fucking early, so probably not

okay

but let's say he flips town, what will you do during lylo? who would you vote? if he flips scum, what would you do next day, and who would you vote?

[RandomYoshi]

can we lynch goku on day 3

i'm pretty sure he's scum

[RandomYoshi]

also i didn't like it how goku just had his vote parked on me for no reason at the end of the day

anyway, if ns flips town, the scumteam has to be varsoon/goku, and goku is the one to be lynched first

[RandomYoshi]

Y'know, with you sheeping Nacho like you did, I'm actually fairly sure that Nobody Special will flip Scum. Commenting on whether I'd like to explain why is detrimental to the Town, for the matter.

[RandomYoshi]

freezer what do you think of this quickhammer

please respond before night 2 happens

[RandomYoshi]

fuzzy, what do you think about gif's play?

[RandomYoshi]

goddamnit that sucks

[RandomYoshi]

also, is one completed game as scum and one completed game as town enough to establish some sort of meta?

[RandomYoshi]

i also don't get how ns flipping town => me being scum

can somebody explain this

[RandomYoshi]

somebody please respond i'm getting incredibly paranoid and stressed out because we literally have no time for anything right now

like there's some wifom-loving part of my brain that makes ns town so i'm incredibly nervous right now

[RandomYoshi]

but because it's wifom it could very well backfire on me

so wat think

[RandomYoshi]

Wait, maybe Approximately Normal Guy parked his vote on Nobody Special during early Day 1 to bus/gain towncred if Nobody Special was lynched?

[RandomYoshi]

Also, if Nobody Special flips Town, here's what we'll do during LyLo: have pseudo-votes. We should basically

FoS: <player>

and

UnFoS: <player>

to deprave Scum's ability to quickhammer if a single vote is placed incorrectly.

Deal?

[RandomYoshi]

how am i being very scummy

[RandomYoshi]

@NS
That makes sense, I guess. Anyway, could you explain your read on fuzzy again?

[RandomYoshi]

Varsoon, why did you quickhammer?

[RandomYoshi]

Don't play the newbie card, I want you to actually explain yourself.

[RandomYoshi]

GIF. Reads. Now.

[RandomYoshi]

What's your thoughts on fuzzy, then?

[RandomYoshi]

And why Varsoon/Goku?

[RandomYoshi]

Varsoon, I believe that Goku is scum. There's something about him that just doesn't sit well with me. I want to discuss things with him before I place down my vote, though.

But what I don't get is why this is the ideal game state. Care to explain this, Varsoon? And what are your stances on the rest of the players in this game?

[RandomYoshi]

For fuzzy, he pretty much is town 4 me via PoE.

Why are you putting people in Town via PoE when that could be the one thing that screws the Town over in LyLo?

[RandomYoshi]

What's your opinion on Fuzzy, then? Sounds like you have him as scum.

He's been in the middle of the Day 1 bandwagons, where Scum loves to reside. That way, they won't be called out on being late on the bandwagons, but they will still be on them. Look at the VCs, analyse them, and maybe that'll be a conclusion. I don't know, though. I want to thoroughly discuss this matter with him before I make any moves.

[RandomYoshi]

So yeah.

FoS: Varsoon
FoS: Goku
FoS: fuzzybutternut

I am quite confident with calling GuyInFreezer Town. But I need to discuss this matter with him thoroughly before making any sudden movements.

[RandomYoshi]

I seriously want this Day to last for a long time. I must be fully convinced that I am doing the correct thing during LyLo, because any vote placed wrongly results in a disaster for the Town.

[RandomYoshi]

fuzzy, what is your take on my game?

@GiF: Will reply to your queries, but I want fuzzy to reply to my question before I do anything.

[RandomYoshi]

I will also be responding to Varsoon's questions and comments. I will have an epic post in which I comment on everything said throughout this Day.

[RandomYoshi]

For the record, I'll keep my replies short until this Day has proceeded for a long time, preferably a week or so.

Why? I just made a post saying that this mode of thinking is anti-town.

I am putting suspicion on everyone who I think could be scum. I want to put every scum-suspect under massive scrutiny throughout the entirety of this Day. I want to analyse every reply I get thoroughly, and I won't vote until I'm certain that I've found Scum.

[RandomYoshi]

GiF, why are you advocating a massclaim? Why are you giving the popcorn to fuzzy when you have him as Town by PoE?

[RandomYoshi]

That's fairly reasonable.

As said, I will reply in due time, but I have some VC analysis to post before anything happens.

[RandomYoshi]

EBWOP: I mean that the question in and of itself is reasonable.