Micro 136: Bork's NFL UPick (Game Over)

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VOTE: MP5

Do I know you?

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Also, if Majiffy picked the Bills then he will be losing to the game for us. They always seem to find a way to lose.

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I also will say that whoever chose the Packers is clearly scum.......so just as I figure out who you are.

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I have a question for Mac, why you be all scummy?

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Jmo, because I fucking hate the Packers. Therefore, they are scummy.

And mp5, you sure about that?

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Anybody who doesn't like football in this game is pinging my scumdar.

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I have a question for Mac, why you be all scummy?

Speaking of possible scum.....

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Mac, we will get back to that. Just reaction testing here, we will discuss more shortly.

Not sure people should be claiming teams just yet, don't give any extra to any potential scum.

Also,UNVOTE:

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MP5, I don't like keeping a random vote after rvs essentially ends, especially in a smaller game.

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Jmo, why do you accuse Majiffy of twisting your words....and then vote Grizzle?

This would have been the correct response:
VOTE: Majiffy

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My bad, I was meaning to post yesterday but got caught up in two other games that were nearing to end of the Day. But anywho......

A non reaction to a RVS wagon is hardly a town tell. Majiffy has been around the block and would know how to handle things, would you expect scum to flip out and start throwing things? His non reaction is more of a sign that he isn't a newbie, and like I said, has been around the block a few times.

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Well to answer both of you questions, he did try to twist Jmo's words. That generally is more scummy then townie. Though the fact that jmo called you out on that without voting you. Plus I didn't have a vote down, a little bit of a pressure vote as well.

And Rach, what difference does it make how good of a player someone is? I hate when people will not vote for someone because they could be a valuable town player. They also could be the reason for the downfall of the town.

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Welcom Sala, we shall talk soon.

About Majiffy, I agreed with jmo that he kind of tried to get jmo to appear scummy for non scummy reasons. I agree it isn't much, but gotta start somewhere.

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And MP5, it wasn't about conflicting reads to mine, it was about how I hate how certain people will get reads. It was independent of if it was about Majiffy or not.

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Majiffy, look two posts above yours.

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Sheeping me because "experienced" is entirely sucking up. My experience doesn't dictate my alignment.

This is exactly the point I was trying to make to Rach before.

And Majiffy, my vote was an opportunistic prod vote. Didn't really go anywhere and I tend to lean that you are town. But I won't be sheeping you lol.
UNVOTE: Majiffy

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I posted earlier today, not sure why that is considered disappearing to you. You and Mac(who you replaced) keep ignoring me.

And before you say it, yes I am not offering any real substance here. Other games had my attention, will catch up possibly later today or tomorrow. Good time to do so with a replacement as well.

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Okay, so chop and screw my quote to make it look bad.

UNVOTE: Majiffy
VOTE: Grizzlegom
What do you think about the games actions so far?

I keep going back to this post, I still don't get that if you call someone out for twisting your words........why wouldn't you vote that person? Just doesn't make sense to me.
VOTE: Jmo

Ok, I guess I am sheeping you Majiffy, heh.

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You don't see scum motivation in someone twisting your words? How could there be a town motivation behind that?

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MP5, you don't have to like I do my scum hunting. But trust me there is intent with everything I do.

And my friend, you don't look so good right now. And it isn't really your vote on me, but the timing of your vote. With a Jmo wagon going strong and a Seanald wagon in second and the Day nearing an end.........you try to start a wagon on me?

Why did it take so long for you to state a case on me?

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*don't have to like HOW I do my scum hunting.

Sorry, too many Hookers(calm down, it is a beer).

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Something is not right here. 2 people have claimed PRs both with dual roles. Granted this is an U Pick and they generally are not as balanced as most games, but I do not buy that both PR claims are Town, We have about a day, going to read through their ISOs and figure out which one is lying.

Why say that there MUST be one of them lying? There is a real possiblity that both of them could be telling the truth.

Oh Rach, why you scum slip??

Pre Edit: What do you think about Rach, MP5?

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And MP5, you are only making yourself look bad, I am just commenting on that fact.

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I err on the side of caution and comment on shit I think MAY be a bit scummy. This is Day 1 in a game of mafia, pardon my paranoia. If I think I see something I don't like, I call that person out on it. Is everything I am caling out scum behavior? No, but I will put myself out there to determine the difference on what is simple sketchy town play and what is acualy scum tactics.

It is not a perfect science, but it gets reactions. And isn't that what this game is all about.

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Also, pardon my typos and missplellings.

Sheesh.

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This is actually how I scum hunt Rach, I allow a scenario for scum to dig their own grave.

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Also, in the second post of the game, which was made by our mokd(and in the description of the game in the micro queue), it stated that there MAY be a third party role.

So, is ignorance truly bliss?

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*our mod

Damn Hookers!!

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I'm willing to lynch Seanald if necessary. I prefer jmo.

Pretty much the same here.

But, I do prefer with sticking with my gut.

Pre Edit: Jesus man I was just about to post. Some of us get busy at work the play volleyball after work. Let me at least enjoy a sip of beer first.

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I think NS has been giving you tips about playing as scum, Rach.

I was thinking that scum would be in mp5, sean, and Rach. Obviously wrong about mp5, so I would be comfortable lynching between Rach and Sean.
VOTE: Rach

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Ha, the Rams play in St. Louis and I don't believe the Browns have ever played in a Super Bowl.

And I that your only reason for suspicion on Seanald?

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You should be lynched just for your lack of NFL knowledge. The Browns are the team in Cleveland, and the Rams have been in St. Louis for almost 20 years.

Another question, why weren't you on the jmo wagon? Did you really think Sean was scummier then jmo?

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And I thought I was the old one in the game.

And I am just busting your (theoretical)balls about the NFL thing.

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Although I reckon 3 scum might be a bit much for a 9p.

Eh.
UNVOTE: Sala

You do know there are only 2 scum right? And the possibilty of one lone wolf as well.

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Majiffy, I am just better then you and can figure out things quicker then you.

That and I read the first post of the game from the mod where he spilled the beans on what the setup of the game is.

But mainly because I am better then you...........at reading comprehension

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I'd be willing to go towards Rondo, but why is RM town?

I also want to know why Rando would be a good lynch.

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Rando = Rondar

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Rach, did the mafia fruit vendor actually do anything?

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Would something like a fruit vendor be a mafia specific role?

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Kill the Packers fan!!!

But seriously, I am relativily certain that Sala is not scum.

Agree that it may be a good idea for a mass claim.

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I don't get it, wouldn't the tracker result show him visiting both myself and the dead if he was scum?

This is true. Rondar's result definitely clears Sala.

This.

Also Majiffy remember there is only one mafia left, we just had this convo lol. Plus the chance of a third party.

And I am an even night redirector and.....and I am a neighbor with someone.........I wonder who?

Oh and I am da Chicago Bears........hence why I hate the Packers........could I be neighbors with the Packers?

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Also the answer yes, I am neighbors with Sala the Packers fan. Didn't mean to be overly coy about it.

This is why I was asking you Rach whether the fruit vendor was a mafia specific role, Sala mentioned in our qt that he was a cheese vendor. Just had to make sure.

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Sala is the Pack fan, Rach is just a fan of Wisconsin and Cheese.

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Scum neighbors would seem pointless, since they would already have a qt to talk in.

But, neighbors can be either town or scum. For instance, us being neighbors does not fully clear either sala or myself. Sala is pretty much cleared for his cheese vending adventure, but not because he is a neighbor.

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Grizzle I explained before, neighbors generally are non alignment dependant. In our case in our role pm it specifically said we will not know our neighbors alignment. We all feel confident Sala is town, and tbh I was weary of him until that point. I don't think it would be made too easy for us to guarantee that one neighbor is scum, especially with only two scum in the game.

And on MP5, if I was scum I would have kept him alive. Normally this is wifom that I don't like to use as a defense, but in this case Sala can back me up on it. We both stated that we had suspicions of him and was probably our top scum read at Night. It would have made sense to keep MP5 alive since he would have been ripe for a mislynch. I don't believe we were the only ones that had suspicions of him as well. As someone said earlier, it was a poor choice for a lynch.

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Rondar, how am I cleared as well? Are you saying you tracked both Sala and myself?

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ALL CAPS RAGE!! DA BEARS LET URLACHER GO!!! I REDIRECT ALL MY HATE ON ALL OF YOUUU!!!!(see that I did there? But seriously not a bad move, he is getting old and injury prone. But back to the business at hand.)

Rach would be the correct play, though I really don't like Grizzle's vote on me. But, and this is a bt of stream of conciouness, why would Grizzle as scum push an alternate wagon when there appears to be better support for other mislynch options.

Sala, I think I would put Grizzle as town as well.

Also, Sean would be my next choice for scum after Rach.

Oh and Rach you are claiming not scum? Why didn't you just say that earlier.....

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Sala, I am talking about Grizzle's vote on me toDay. Him pushing on me when Rach(and to a lesser extent Rondar) would be better candidates for a mislynch would not be something I could see a Grizzle-scum doing. Therefore I think he is town.

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Sala, I am talking about Grizzle's vote on me toDay. Him pushing on me when Rach(and to a lesser extent Rondar) would be better candidates for a mislynch would not be something I could see a Grizzle-scum doing. Therefore I think he is town.

Again, not going to worry or address Grizzlescum today.

Agreed not to worry about Grizzle, you wanted some clarification though.

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Rach, where is my 'white knighting scumslip'? Calling Grizzle town?

And yes, I am already voting you.

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Though personally, I think it is more likely he is the other scum, I am pointing out weak spots with your plan since based on it, I won't be here to help later.

Who? Are you talking about me?

Sala, I like that plan.

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Valid point, but me as scum redirecting the cop off of me is basically me claiming scum and digging my own grave. Plus, and again assuming I am scum, the redirect would clear someone else as town(assuming we aren't dealing with a third party).

And isn't Rach the lynch for today? How would she factor in?

Pre Edit: I just described how my redirection power is gimped as scum. But it actually still has use as town.

If I redirect a cop off of me, I am scum.

If Grizzle dies, I am scum.

If seanald dies, I am scum.

And unless I am mistaken no one has a power that can stop my redirecting, everything would be out in the open.

See where I am going with this? Me not being lynched today basically wins town the game.

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Really? Then I misunderstood how the redirect works. I thought if I were, for example, to redirect a cop investigation off of me onto you, the cop would get a report about you, not me.

If what you say is true about my role, then do what you must. I still say my role offers almost a guaranteed win keeping me alive though. Though that is coming from a biased perspective since I am the only one who know my alignment.

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Also we have a tracker in Rondar, what are you talking about?

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Before anyone hammers, I had asked our mod if I could redirect actions off of me. According to him I cannot.

So that basically fixes the flaw in your original plan Sala, and I will say it again, my power would be very beneficial at night.

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I think he is asking basically what I asked you, can I redirect an action targeting me onto someone else.

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According to my role pm I am the former, majiffy, I redirect all actions performed on a single player onto another power. No extra powers from what I can tell.

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HOLY SHIT FUD! I OWE YOU AT ENDGAME!

Not that I want to see town die(would have been cool to win the game that way), but I really do hope I was the cause of that.

Should I hammer or should we discuss things? We are at mylo right?

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Oh duh, I keep telling Majiffy there is only one more scum I just was thinking there are two left. My bad.

There better not be a third party.

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Ok you two, might as well just cross right now.

I don't want to drag this out.

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Actually let's just make this easy.
VOTE: Grizzle

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First, the quick vote on you was simply because of what Sala and myself discussed last Night. If I was killed Majiffy is scum because he would want Sala alive since Sala was adamant that Jiffy was town. Therefore if Sala was killed it would mostly be you, Grizzle, that was scum since Sala would have tunneled the crap out of you.

Second, it was Sala's idea to redirect all actions off of him and onto Rondar. He figured he would be targeted for a Night kill and Rondar was both on our scumdars.

Third, I wish I could take credit for a plan like that......it is quite elaborate lol.

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Even night redirector and neighbor(with Sala, obviously).

What was yours again?

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So you actually were kind of believing Grizz, Jiffy?

Props to Sala, our drunk neighborhood was fun and he was a big part in the win.

Also, sorry Rach heh.

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Ooh, I would like to see that.

Any objections to posting our neighbor qt, sala?

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http://www.quicktopic.com/50/H/6jJGNdjF7gJ

Here we are.

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Bah, Sala and I had Jiffy covered if he was scum.......though it took a quote from a year old game to convince Sala that Jiffy actually may be scum.

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I just remember there was one quote you made in Divided Germany Mafia(if you remember that game) where you said you always buss as scum, because Sala was adamant that you wouldn't have bussed jmo as his scum buddy.

Reading through that game to dig up your exact quote brought up memories lol.

Pre Edit: Shit, now I want to watch Aladdin.

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Ha, erased it from your memory?

You had quite the spat with Sleepy(lurky)krew and Junpei in that game, quite an entertaining read.

Am I the only one who remembers every game they have played?

Pre Edit: Yes that is the one