Micro 136: Bork's NFL UPick (Game Over)

[Rondar]

Hi. Hello.

I've read through the game quite carefully (barring MP5's weirdly formatted football thingy), and have a couple of reads jotted down. I'm gonna do some work and come back to post. Hopefully later tonight.

Also, I know nothing of football. Hell, I thought this was basketball before people started talking about football. (Also, I'm late, but 'soccer' is the real football bros).

[Rondar]

I just migrated from one community where posting was heavily criticized for every detail by more popular posters 'ironiposting'.

No more pls.

[Rondar]

;_;

[Rondar]

The epicmafia community was lame and I hope this one isn't.

/end discussion

Since we're into explaining jokes, care to explain yours?

[Rondar]

Well I'm not getting any work done. W/e.

I disliked

RacMarie'

s opening post and will probably get back to it soon. Seemed unnatural, somehow. She hasn't said anything substantial so far, so I'm writing her off as null.

MP5

Seems like an easy try-hard-town read for me. Newish, eager to play, etc etc.

Mac

rung some serious bells and with the little he posted and I actually seriously considered him as scum (the randomness of his opening post was just extremely odd). Salamance has been somewhat townier in contrast, his reaction to Maj's accusations seeming pretty legit. (Except,

@Sala

was has already made you consider a Rondar wagon? (P-Edit, Maj asked it, but I'd like you to reiterate if possible) I can't recall you being to keen on Lincolm) If he's scum, I'm pretty sure he isn't a team with RachMarie for their extremely similar reads and behavior around Maj (don't think scum would act so similarly)

The only thing I've found 'noteworthy' on

Seanald

was his weirdo jump on Lincolm. I do however think his early claim was pretty towny, since I...
A) doubt scum would be that eager to claim
B) think the quickclaim is on par with 'PR who thinks he's too important to be lynched'.
The early claim wasn't a dumb choice though...

Grizz

is a hard townread for me. Nothing he has said has rung any scum-bells, and his reads have been pretty consistent. He's just towny, somehow. Gut mostly, I guess.

FuzDuz

is weird. Extremely aggressive, but I really can't tell if he's that confident as town, or BS-ing scum trying desperately to lead the town. He's one I'm watching (I doubt a him-Maj team)

Majiffy

is odd all around. I've registered two 'dumbtells':
A) Calling Salamance's townread of him a 'buddy'. It really doesn't seem like one. His townread wasn't too hard and the part that concerned Majiffy seemed to be mostly agreeing with Rach's post (although pretty indirectly). Maj calling it a buddy seems like an exaggeration if anything. Could have been a reaction test on his part, but I doubt it with him not pushing/voting Sala
B) Ignoring FuDu's obviously implied reasoning behind his vote earlier in the game
Weirdly enough, his real towntell (and quite a good one) was questioning Sala right on this page for his odd plan. For this reason honestly (and Rach's earlier one), I'll agree to keeping him around.
(@Maj, Do you usually start the game without an RVS vote, or is this a first?)

VOTE: JMO is mostly a PoE vote I don't want to vote some others on my 'list' (Rach, Fuz, Maj and Sala somewhat) for reasons I've stated above. His day has been extremely odd, and he seems to be desperately trying to not be in the foreground. JMO what are your current reads on Maj and Rach?

These reads are quite vague, and a tad rough, but I think they'll smooth up on a second reread, some ISO's and as the day continues. I don't recall who said it, but we have some time, so no need to rush with a lynch.

[Rondar]

Oh man, I misread the Preview text.
JMO is the one who questioned Sala's suggestion, not Maj.
UNVOTE: JMO

[Rondar]

Eh, VOTE: RachMary
I took a skim of the ISO again. Just seems unnatural. The few towntells (basically #137), are pretty generic and can be easily faked. She just took it too far with saying how 'good' Maj is. Almost to an extent where it was pure fluff.

I'd honestly vote Maj, but for some reason I'm reluctant to do so. Double Paranoia?

[Rondar]

Oh wait, they both did it. (179, 178) Eh. This leaves my read on Maj as odd as it was, and makes my JMO read 'null leaning scum'
Keeping my vote where it is

@Maj

Yeah, but I'm addicted. Lol

by 'joke' I just meant your first comment 'A+ posting' or whatever it was.

[Rondar]

I post in bursts.
Sorry.

P-Edit What other things were there?

[Rondar]

Right now, I'd vote Sala as well. *outs random thought*

[Rondar]

I think read pretty carefully (at least relatively). Excuse me for getting mixed up in who's pro soccer and who's pro football, lol (and for horribly misunderstanding your statement, heh).

[Rondar]

Dude that could have easily been sarcasm D=

But yeah. Lol. Sorry.

[Rondar]

Yeah I remember you mentioning him in 'possible scum'. But two things with that:
A) You didn't really focus on him. (Didn't show any signs of wanting to vote him.)
B) This early in the game, saying 'scumteam is somewhere within...', means very little. Don't you agree?

I still want you to answer the question directed at you in my last post. Maj and JMO have asked the same one (JMO actually asked, while Maj merely brought it up).

[Rondar]

An clarification of exactly what your role entails, Sean, would be pretty nice.

@Rach

Hi =P (Your thoughts on my vote on you?)

@JMO

Why focus on the idles? Who do you think is scum on your wagon?

@Grizzle

Which read would you say 'struck the chord' with (you agree with the most). Since our opinions clearly differ on Seanald, that'd be interesting to know.

@Sala

's #198 Why's his claim bad? I find it to be quite the opposite. (It's bad, but towny, in a way). How does PoE work if most of your reads are nullreads, by the way? You haven't mentioned the read being PoE in any of your earlier posts either, why's that?

@Sean

Out a read maybe? Vote a scum-one would also be pretty good.

[Rondar]

PoE's good for null reads when you have a good amount of solid townreads and just a small amount of null reads. Hardly effective on D1.

[Rondar]

Ehhhhhhh. I prefer him over Seanald...
VOTE: JMO

Reluctantly, but looks like it's him or Sean at this point then.

[Rondar]

I'd claim.

[Rondar]

Well, I clearly stated Seanald isn't the lynch for me today. Too little to find out from others (except Salamance, I'd still lynch Salamance) if they're lynched + they aren't.

Theoretically, who would vote Sala?

[Rondar]

Good enough for now I guess. How you have RM as a townread though is beyond me, but okay.

[Rondar]

Uhhhh. Wow.

[Rondar]

Yeah k get on JMO.

[Rondar]

>We aren't lynching claimed PRs D1.
>Votes JMO

Guys Sala is mafia

[Rondar]

Because a Sala lynch isn't happening at this point, for some weird reason.

You guys being partners wouldn't be that far fetched of an idea either.

I'm too lazy to give this some more thought.

[Rondar]

Wow Rach at L-1 already. Kay.

Idk who to vote. Proceed.

[Rondar]

So, what sort of 'clues' have you found?

*Hints at growing intent to hammer *wink**wink**

[Rondar]

Well hmmm. Good night.

[Rondar]

Mfw Rondo. Mfw Rando.

I'm the New England Patriots (Lincolm's said that I think) an Odd-Night Tracker. Before I start a flame war for claiming early, here's my reasons:
1. My track revealed that ~somebody~ visited ~somebody~. If I understand what was said to day well enough, the visited person was neighbourized by the person I tracked *wink wink*.
2. 4 town PRs is extremely unlikely (although the person I tracked could be mafia neighbourizer, if such role exists. I kind of doubt that). This means my vote today is extremely likely scum.
3. I'm odd-nighted and chances are I'm not living to Night 3 anyway
4. I've gotten quicklynched before. Not happening again.

VOTE: RachMarie

To answer: Why didn't you hammer here when you had the chance!?!?!
My track hadn't softed like a motherfucker yet, so the multiple PRs theory was weak (I had however considered it). I thought they could be mafia PR.

Also, I was pretty vague about my track and the person visited. I only did that as a courtesy. You probably know who you are at this point. Anyway, I'd like you to claim.

If people want me to be less vague about my claim, I'll go ahead and claim completely.

[Rondar]

After placing a bussing vote (reason: POE), he unvotes in the next post very shakily here. Tries to push a counterwagon. Calls POE "hardly effective on D1" - didn't he just use that to justify his first vote? Then apathetic wagon jump. Plus his bad posts that he's made today.

There are other things, but this is the meat and potatoes.

I justified my vote by the fact that I more-or-less townread Seanald and JMO was the only other possible lynch in that timeframe. I hardly tried to 'push a counterwagon', since I basically unvoted the next post. And yeah, I was shaky about JMO, he was definitely not my main (or even a very strong) scumread. The rest is just my play, I don't really know what to say to that.

[Rondar]

No, that's it. Odd night tracker. Salamance just hammer it, lmao.
And no, it's bulletproof bodyguard + neighbourizer + universal backup + Rach's weird PR claim.

[Rondar]

The claim was inevitable. I already said why.

[Rondar]

Bad. Especially from you, lmao.

[Rondar]

Heh, no one's claimed it. But with the help of my report and a soft claim i just read, they know who they are (I hope).

[Rondar]

Salamance: 'MP5 clearly proves me wrong, but I'm just going to ignore that!'

And look at that... Rach only has 1 ability... =| Stop being an idiot when I literally halfway clear you.

[Rondar]

Well, if we're massclaiming anyway. I'll go ahead and out that I have Salamance visiting Majiffy.

and yeah UNVOTE: for now. I want Majiffy and Grizz to post some.

[Rondar]

Salamance visiting Majiffy.

probably means sala is actually town, their roleblocker already died, what other ability would there be besides a NK to use for mafia?

Basically why I'm not voting him.

[Rondar]

A fruit vendor each night can pick someone to deliver fruit to. Can be either Town or Mafia aligned, though more often Town. It is not a major PR lol. Unless Sala has some other role, all he can do is deliver his cheesy packages.

Oh right, Sala said something about two roles per PR. What was your second one

@Sala

? Also, could you give us a full claim? (Grizz and Fu too)

P-Edit

@Maj

Technically, I could be mafia aligned Tracker or he mafia aligned Vendor. So no, we don't clear each other. I've considered it.

[Rondar]

Oh wait. I knew that. Can't fathom how that slipped my mind. Derp.
So yeah, we clear each other I guess (cept I could be mafia aligned tracker fypov).

[Rondar]

@Fuz

The Packers fan is Rach, right? Lol. Just checking if I have this right.

[Rondar]

Ok. Do scum neighbours exist? Or are they always town? (Or is that mason?)

[Rondar]

But, neighbors can be either town or scum. For instance, us being neighbors does not fully clear either sala or myself. Sala is pretty much cleared for his cheese vending adventure, but not because he is a neighbor.

@Fu

That's what I meant. Sorry, didn't make myself clear enough. Also, Fu is cleared for not visiting, not for the fruit thing. Fruit Vendor can be both town or scum aligned.

@Rach

What, pray tell, are you insinuating!?!?

[Rondar]

EBWOP: either town or scum aligned*

[Rondar]

LOL That was supposed to Say Sala, ie

'Also,

Sala

is cleared for not visiting, not for the fruit thing. Fruit Vendor can be both town or scum aligned.'
in repsponse to Fu's #452
'Sala is pretty much cleared for his cheese vending adventure, but not because he is a neighbor.'

Even from an objective point of view he cannot be mafia, since only 1 mafiosi is left.

[Rondar]

Ok, this is why I assumed there was a neighbourizer:

I'm not. Majiffy, you KNOW Im not scum. I already proved that to you.

I had never heard of a 'fruit vendor' before this, so that looked like a neighbourizer soft claim to me.
Also, Rach, you said you'd do that like 3 pages ago. lol.

[Rondar]

Lmao that was fun. Not that I had much to do with it. Lol

Also I never got the link to the dead QT.

Either way gg.

[Rondar]

Oh wow. How did I miss that. What the heck. Lmao. Thanks for modding either way. Was great.