Micro 136: Bork's NFL UPick (Game Over)

[Grizzlegom]

Hey guys, sorry I was traveling last night

ARE YOU READY FOR SOME FOOTBALL!?!?!?!?!?

Vote:RachMarie

[Grizzlegom]

I also will say that whoever chose the Packers is clearly scum.......so just as I figure out who you are.

Idk, the cheating Patriots HAVE to be scum.

[Grizzlegom]

Idk, the cheating Patriots HAVE to be scum.

Well, you're wrong. That's my role and I'm town.

*Mind blown*

I find amount of soccer in this thread disturbing.

[Grizzlegom]

Not sure people should be claiming teams just yet, don't give any extra to any potential scum.

I don't think it really matters what teams we are, I read it the same way MP5 did in that alignment and roles were done randomly.

[Grizzlegom]

Okay, so chop and screw my quote to make it look bad.

UNVOTE: Majiffy
VOTE: Grizzlegom
What do you think about the games actions so far?

Getting town from Majiffy, his non-reaction to the RVS train against him seem consistent with someone who wasn't worried about it which seems town to me. MP5 hasn't posted much but I get a town vibe from his posts.

Aside from that, Rach is obviously a null read and I think I've seen something from everyone else that I haven't been overly fond of but nothing that makes me feel strongly.

Unvote: RachMarie
Vote: Seanald

I didn't like the way he ignored Lincolm's question about why he changed his vote and then jumped on him. Like Majiffy pointed out #88 seemed like a backtracking post, even though he later firmed up sticking to JMO town, could have simply been damage control.

[Grizzlegom]

A non reaction to a RVS wagon is hardly a town tell. Majiffy has been around the block and would know how to handle things, would you expect scum to flip out and start throwing things? His non reaction is more of a sign that he isn't a newbie, and like I said, has been around the block a few times.

This sounds like he's fooled you guys before, haha. I get what you are saying and I'll keep this in mind moving forward but at this early stage, I get the strong town vibe from him.

If you vote me your gay....

That's the second time you've responded to a question by posting something useless/attacking someone else. Hiding something?

[Grizzlegom]

and fuck it, Ima a 1-shot bullet proof 1-shot bodyguard.
basically a doctor but in more words and can do slighty different things.

Huh? This role sounds confusing. You are 1x Bulletproof and 1x Bodyguard? So can you protect every night or only once? Also, if your target is targeted the night you protect him, would you die or not? If you wouldn't die, that seems to defeat the whole purpose of being a bodyguard...This sounds like a complex role you made up and claimed to have protection abilities so you won't get lynched.

[Grizzlegom]

His role seems valid. One shot bullet proof, meaning he picks one night where he can't be killed, and a one shot body guard, he gets one night to protect someone else, if they are targeted, he gets killed.

I've never seen them together before. But those roles are real.

Okay, that would make a little more sense, in my experience, bulletproof is always passive. If he can choose a night, that could make more sense. I do wish you wouldn't have answered for him though, if he was lying, it will be much harder to catch him in it now.

[Grizzlegom]

Prod Dodge. Will be back with a real post later tonight

[Grizzlegom]

On the two replacements, Mac and Lincolm were both null to me. Salamence I'm getting town so far. Rondar's entrance was...interesting...I'm actually in agreement with most of his reads but he seemed to be clumsy in the way he was going about posting. Could have just been new and unsure of the reads or scum not wanting to commit strongly. Will need to see more before I decide which.

I'm going to keep my vote on Seanald for now as I'd like him to come back and address the questions I had surrounding his role. Not a fan of the way he's disappeared since claiming.

Jmo I was leaning town on before he quickly came to Seanald's defense and that has him swinging towards scum for me. He's the one other player I'd feel comfortable voting at this stage.

[Grizzlegom]

and fuck it, Ima a 1-shot bullet proof 1-shot bodyguard.
basically a doctor but in more words and can do slighty different things.

Huh? This role sounds confusing. You are 1x Bulletproof and 1x Bodyguard? So can you protect every night or only once? Also, if your target is targeted the night you protect him, would you die or not? If you wouldn't die, that seems to defeat the whole purpose of being a bodyguard...

^ Mostly this.

[Grizzlegom]

they are both 1 shot, so I can only use them once and I can only use 1 on a given night, I have to choose which one to activate.

Basically it is save my self and live, or protect someone else and die kinda thing. once I use it once it is gone.

Ok, you gave the same answer as JMO when he defended you so, at the very least, you guys are consistent. A protective role is definitely worth keeping for a night though if you are telling the truth.

Unvote: Seanald

Lets focus on the less active players shall we?

I'd like to here back from seanland after his odd claim, grizzlie to post more than what everyone else has already said, rach you got any reads?

Pretty sure you are just saying this to deflect but here's something for you:

I ISO'd you and found this nugget that, at the time seemed harmless but makes a lot more sense now:

Anyone have any experience in a game with a third party? I've played games with a jester, are they're any other third parties that we need to be aware of before we lynch a jester or something of or the like?

In a game where an SK is potentially present, this sounds like scum looking for someone to hunt.

I'll state intent to hammer, let's here your claim.

[Grizzlegom]

In a game where an SK is potentially present, this sounds like scum looking for someone to hunt.

how?

Town has no reason to bring that up because scum play is scum play and, particularly early in the game, it doesn't matter what kind of scum is found, as long as its found. In my experience, the first one to bring up the SK in a game where an SK is potentially present is typically either mafia trying to get a reaction that might key them into who the SK is or the SK himself.

[Grizzlegom]

Looking over MP5's iso, Fu jumps out as the person he seemed most suspicious of yesterday.

Still suspicious of Seanald based on the way he and JMO were defending each other. Other than that, JMO spent pretty much the entire day bitching about Majiffy for catching onto him immediately

Vote:Seanald

[Grizzlegom]

Sorry guys, I'm gonna go read everything.

Unvote:

for now, will be back in a few with a real post.

[Grizzlegom]

I believe Rach's claim and think she's town, no idea why anyone would randomly claim that role of all things.

Obviously Rondar is indeed a tracker, though I'm wary just because that's the one investigative role I most associate with scum.

I'm the Miami Dolphins. I'm an even night cop.

[Grizzlegom]

I don't get it, wouldn't the tracker result show him visiting both myself and the dead if he was scum?

This is true. Rondar's result definitely clears Sala.

[Grizzlegom]

1x Commute seems like the scummiest claim to me (that's my go-to claim when I'm scum usually so that's why I think that) but its really hard for me to believe Majiffy would be scum after yesterday.

Isn't the point of neighbors supposed to be that they aren't confirmed to both be townies so one of them is usually scum? That was always what I saw in practice and since we know Sala is town, I'm inclined to believe Fu is scum. Couple that with MP5's main suspicion being Fu and I think that's who I'm leaning right now.

Vote: Fu

[Grizzlegom]

we need a vote count.

This.

I am starting to wane on thinking Rach is town. She's being very adamant about how much she wanted to switch to JMO and it feels like she's overcompensating. I didn't think anyone would fake-claim ascetic because its too out there but given how out there it is...it could just be a bold fake-claim. I'll admit, part of my suspicion is definitely derived from a confirmed town-aligned player pushing the lynch.

[Grizzlegom]

lol, there's totally 7 people still alive.

P-Edit, Seanald beat me to it.

[Grizzlegom]

Sean can you use both of your 1 shot abilities at the same time? Or do they have to be used separately? Cause I can see a major issue there, if the scum dude targets Griz, then Sean dies, which means we still lose one.

Question why if Fu is inno do you lynch BOTH Rondar and Sean?

I believe he stated earlier he could only use one.

[Grizzlegom]

Vote: RachMarie

I'm on board for this plan. Let's do this!

[Grizzlegom]

Lol just in case...

vote: RachMarie

And yea edited plan!

[Grizzlegom]

Ugh, this is why I should avoid phone reading/posting. I saw Majiffy's vote and thought that was still the plan. Back at a computer now, I'll stop being a moron. I've read over the new plan and I would tend to agree that its better than the old plan because I did find Fu more suspicious than Rach initially.

Unvote:Rach
Vote:Fu

[Grizzlegom]

ok, so I guess he can't redirect. (Maybe I was guessing Bus Driver?) My appologies

So:

We have confirms on Myself, Majiffy, and a mild conf on Seanald.

That leaves FD, Griz, RM(who gets lynched today), and Rondar.

1. Seanald protects Griz while Griz investigates FD
(4vs1)
This allows us to confirm FD, allowing us to freely talk. If he gets a guilty, town wins. If innocent, lynch Rondo.

This would leave Seanald, Myself, Majiffy, FD, and Griz (Remember two of us die from N2 + N3 kills)

Three are confirmed (Sal, Majiffy, FD) leaving Seanald and Griz. Griz gets lynched in lylo. Town wins.

Opinions?

So is this the final plan? I just want to be sure, haha.

I do have one concern as I think about it. I know you don't think there is a reason for scum to fake-claim given role madness but JMO still somewhat fake-claimed. I have a fear of Fu getting framed or being a godfather and that will screw with my result tonight. Do people think that's a possibility or we think we're okay?

[Grizzlegom]

Okay, here's hoping!

Unvote: Fu
Vote: RachMarie

[Grizzlegom]

Fu came back as town. That leaves Seanald to me.

Vote:Seanald

[Grizzlegom]

No. It's 4v1, so Lylo tomorrow. Lets here from the others, but Seanald is final scum.

^ this.

[Grizzlegom]

Rather interesting that Seanald would get hard bussed on day 1 in a micro. I did it myself before and it doesn't work.

Did he though? I always got the sense that they were more defending each other and JMO only voted Seanald when he realized he was gonna die, which I read as a way to throw us off his trail. Then again, Seanald was my first scum read so I could just be tunneling haha

[Grizzlegom]

Well that was unexpected...I still don't see why Majiffy would bus so hard on day one for no reason and the best "Majiffy is scum" I can come up with is WIFOM.

Given that, I'm inclined to think Fu is our last scum. I've been uncomfortable with him since we all role-claimed, for multiple reasons. One being he was the last to claim, which gave him plenty of time to come up with a fake-claim if he needed to. Next, his claim of even-night redirector didn't sit right because I didn't see why we'd have two even-night PRs. That's part of why I was voting him over Rach on day 2. My investigation of him quelled my suspicions but at this point I'm thinking he's a godfather and that' why he came up as town when I investigated him. The killing of Rondar after he was talking in the QT with Sala telling him he'd "redirect" actions from Sala to Rondar looks pretty ingenious on his part too as between the investigation and that, Sala would be heavily promoting his towniness. I really don't like the quick vote in LyLo either.

Vote: Fu

[Grizzlegom]

Even-night cop.

I feel very confident in my vote now since Majiffy would have hammered and won if he was the scum.

[Grizzlegom]

Damn.

[Grizzlegom]

So either way I'm stupid

Good game everyone. I knew it was gonna be a long-shot after losing JMO day one, especially after I realized day 2 that I was a godfather but there was no cop. I thought I put together a compelling case against you Fu, I had more but I didn't want to overdo it. Majiffy thought I was town all game, was hoping I could convince him to go for you with a strong case but I knew I was the logical lynch and was doubtful it would happen.

[Grizzlegom]

I'd love to see the dead QT! haha

A couple more thoughts:

Nailed Seanald even though I was scum! haha
Looking back, I should have killed Majiffy night one. I just figured there he would definitely be protected. Turns out there was no protective roles. If I had killed him, no way Sala doesn't get lynched after being tracked to him and that might have led to a very different game day three. Yea well, this was my first game on this site that I REALLY enjoyed. Thanks again everyone for the good game

[Grizzlegom]

What did: "I don't know that Grizz was paying enough attention to what his claim meant about what his attitude about the other players was supposed to look like." mean?

[Grizzlegom]

Ah okay, I didn't think there was any chance I'd be able to convince Salamence to go for Majiffy but I thought there was a slight chance I could convince Majiffy to go Fu if I played the godfather angle, especially since I planted that seed earlier in the game.

As for why I killed MP5, as I mentioned, I didn't want to risk Majiffy because I figured he'd be protected. I honestly thought MP5 was the second "towniest" on the first day and I thought I might be able to play the framed angle on Fu since MP5 tried to push Fu. Was definitely my biggest mistake even with him getting jailkeeper.