Micro 142: Pokemon! [TEAM ROCKET VICTORY]

[shos]

/confirm

[shos]

o wait it's already done.
VOTE: Hyperion apparantly the only player here I played with

[shos]

Jee weez I AM TOWN
-_-
....amidoindisrite..?

Of course the mod confirms -__-; did you ask him by pm to say it loudly or did he do it by himself? At first i was thinking you're just faking but then i saw the mod editted his post after i posted my posts so.... >__>
The mod said that you're innocent child, but not your flavor. anything interesting there? i mean, let's rephrase that, should we ask questions about the rest of your role pm or not?

@sleepy: why would you want to do that. wouldn't it uh, expose info about roles.? i mean, from my pm i can only assume that getting a pokemon like dragonite cannot possibly be vt, so if one claims his pokemon it might hurt them...

[shos]

may I ask how 'later' you are planning to use that I am town thingie.?

also Hype got a point

VOTE: Ravenpaw

[shos]

crap how did I miss this I seem to have entirely ignored the first two posts on this page. entirely.

point taken, but don't you dare misrep me, I did not suggest that jason outs his entire role pm, I specifically asked IF we should ask questions about it. I'll remind you that the post was made without reading 25-6.

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should I make a different 'I am town' post just to make sure?

[shos]

eh well why wait for an answer anyway

I am town.

[shos]

Lol so many misunderstandings in one page. Ill grt a posy fone at home snd explain all

[shos]

huh lol, I wasn't talking about me. I'll explain in a sec

[shos]

I'm fairly sure nobody is a VT...
Anyway yeah didn't think about how protective would be obvious.

in post 1 mod said:

"This is a closed setup, which means the only roles you will know in advance are your own and that of any other player I mention in your role PM. All other role information is secret, including how many players with a certain role exist and even if the role exists in the first place. Yes, a game with absolutely no vanilla townies is possible. It's been done before."

so there may or may not be VTs. that is enough with setup specs.

Also, not only protective roles would be obvious. I mean duh Chansey is prob doc but ya know if I knew someone was Entei I'd have a guess about whether they're powerful >__> and if I have one charmander and one charizard against me as scum, I would obviously know which one to shoot. you've been acting bad.

ok then...
@JW - just so i understand...you have to wait until someone is at L-1 and then you can say "intent to hammer" and that will allow you to perform a lie detect on them?

If this is the case, then i suggest we don't wait until close to deadline to get the first wagon going, just in case they do come back as town, we might need some time to find a good counterlynch...
also for the first wagon, i suggest that the player need not role-claim at L-1, seeing as you can verify them...this might keep a town PR from outting himself to scum.

misunderstanding the way I understand it.
a Lie Detector, the way I remember it, can once in a game ask the mod if one post has lies in it or something alike. the man's plan was nice, but we need, imo, to each make separate I'm Town post so that it would be crystal clear. Now, it's not that he needs someone to enable the power for them by having person X in L-1 and claiming intent to hammer. no. The idea is the following, and it is a good one:
suppose town wants to lynch mr. X. oh well, he's already in L-1 and stuff, and someone declares intent to hammer. then, before hammering, he can go and use the lie detector on the hammeree, and see if he's scum or not. that way, we see if he is scum; if he is, lynch ahoy. if not, we have him as confirmed town, AND we can use our lynch somewhere else, AND we can analyze the wagon on him as if he was hammered. aight?? good.

About roleclaiming at L-1: that's a question worth raising:

Pros:

**after a claim, we might decide not to lynch him, and save the 1-shot lie detector for the next possible lynch.
**after a claim, we might not need to waste the same shot, and lynch him immediately (for example, if he fakeclaims something that we know is wrong)

Cons:

**in case he's town with a PR that will not make us retreat after teh claim, we're using the LD and we've let scum know the power he possesses.

What we do?

Yes i am waiting to L-1 to use this power, and that was practically the whole idea except for the part where the guy out's himself at all.

Also i want all Protective type roles on this guy that gets conf. town, do not WIFOM or i will hurt you.

arright, enough with the misunderstandings please. what the hell does this post mean.?

the guy outs himself...so you mean you don't want a claim before you use your ability?
and what is that second sentence. sounds like you're 100% sure that you'll get a town result; and what about YOU? you're conftown as well.

??

No, Swords posted the “I am town” twice in his post (I bolded it below so you see it!):

Lol...JW..
Bad enough you claim IC....
don't try and paint a giant ass bullseye on yourself or nothing. ..


But sure. .. for easy viewing pleasure:

I am town

Also

Vote: Ravenpaw

For reminding me of harry potter for some reason

I am town

Did you not properly read his post or something?

may I ask how 'later' you are planning to use that I am town thingie.?

also Hype got a point

VOTE: Ravenpaw

You’re attack is not very effective shos, after seeing what I just wrote above do you still feel Hyper has a point?

uh, yes? I believe this is another misunderstanding...or something: hype and me voted YOU. not SWORDS. have YOU been reading properly.?

Ravenpaw seems really genuine to be honest.

tell me, what feels genuine?

point taken, but don't you dare misrep me, I did not suggest that jason outs his entire role pm, I specifically asked IF we should ask questions about it. I'll remind you that the post was made without reading 25-6.

Lol so many misunderstandings in one page. Ill grt a posy fone at home snd explain all

This feels a bit overdefensive for not really having any suspicion lobbed at him. Though I admit I'm not really sure what post 47 even means..

UNVOTE:
VOTE: shos

it's me posting from the phone. see, posts like this one (should be 51) is how I can post from a computer. 47 is posted from cell.

you misunderstood my post about misunderstandings. funny.
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Oh you gotta love them wallposts.

[shos]

Oi, I forgot to vote this - VOTE: SleepyKrew.

however

it should be noted that I'm keeping an FoS on Raven, the reaction to my pressure justified it very well. the vote would still lie there if SK didn't bug me moar.

[shos]

...I'd totally lynch you if you weren't conftown, ya know?

[shos]

fairly fast? lawl

I just ended First Time Mafia - less than 24 hours into the game - 7 pages

[shos]

on the same note, we're terribly lucky to have Jason innocent child, otherwise we'd lynch his ass for sure, lol

[shos]

@59: how on earth is that a question of motives. I dunno, the way I see this, I spelled out perfectly well what I meant.

Jason's playing just really really bad. I don't remember specifics but, it's been like three times already that I wanted to lynch him and said oh shit.


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@60: yup. and we'd still lynch him for being scummy/stupid.

wow. you guys are like, seriously bad.

Vote: Sword

For repeating the ‘I am Town’ statement, seems like you’re a little too keen to push that idea through.

Also

Vote: Ravenpaw

For reminding me of harry potter for some reason

It’s weird you saying this because my avatar is Emma Watson lol.

Also for Jason: I am town.

So you voted Sword for the "I am town" statement ad then do the exact same thing?

VOTE: Ravenpaw
Also, for now I am against nameclaims

The vote is agains RAVENPAW. the reson is that he voted SWORD because SWORD repeated the I AM TOWN.

AFTER

that, RAVENPAW repeated the I AM TOWN. THEREFORE RAVEN IS BEING HYPOCRITICAL

SHEESH
*sigh*
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the fact that you threw the i am town twice SUPPORTS the vote on raven, it's not against it, dammit. READ THE GAME. *sigh* this was not to pressure YOU it was to pressure RAVEN. *sigh* wow.
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@the 'why no vote' thing:
was gonna check your join date and see if you're a newb, and noticed you're a gal, hya cutie /offtopic

anyway - some people really don't vote much startgame. Ms, do you usually do that? any games to support this? and why do I look jumpy? and where have I defended myself at all to call me defensive(except for me defending against being called defensive, lol)?

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I want more input from:
Zhero
thenewearth
Hyperion
you guys are nill in this game

[shos]

????

"vote: shos
but no explanation duh"

legit.

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pedit:
oh great, another misunderstanding. I'm starting to like this game. how on earth did you see that in my post. has anyone else seen anything resembling such a thing?

links please.

[shos]

*sigh*

I get it now .__.
took me a while to get that. mescuzzy.

why do you consider voting me, please?

pedit:
I'll see

[shos]

any reason you sent me to page 16?

[shos]

@swords: check'em, she's not lying

[shos]

well in my language there's a saying that literally translates to something like 'he who admits mistake shall be relieved'...or something, lol.

so yeah, I made a mistake. earlier I thought you guys were completely douches lol


game needs more active people.

[shos]

@post 78: first quote: explain please; I specified my reasons for why SK's post was bad, bad, and finally, anti town. IIRC, I'm also voting him, so..?

second and third quotes: have you been reading the game? the whole topic of the first one was resolved already. yes, I made a mistake, why keep grinding at it? or is it a part of your 'case'? I also explained SK (like, a minute ago talked about it) and that 'justification' (even less than a minute ago).

forth quote: nope. Jason is conftown. Innocent child declared by the mod. why would I start digging for reasons to lynch him. If I see some I'll point them out for you from now on, but it's a complete waste of time to go back for it now~

fifth: and once again you're repeating. *actively ignores*
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in conclusion, a bad OMGUS with a "I didn't read the game" case. Ima think about voting you for that, lol.
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But I did think about it,

my brain told me it was fairly obvious that he had some sort of lie detector ability

.
Also, being that Jason is an IC, why should I have shown him any doubt in his motives?

????
your brain told you.? explain please. also, I believe 'showing doubt in motives' is not the correct term to describe this. the right thing to say would be, why did you NOT wonder why?

But I did think about it, my brain told me it was fairly obvious that he had some sort of lie detector ability.
Also, being that Jason is an IC, why should I have shown him any doubt in his motives?

well... My brain didn't, My brain questioned what exactly he was trying to do with his post

this. it's like a copypaste of my thought. I agree less with the rest of this post, tho.

@84: lol @ pun
the correct reaction pre-claim was somthing like 'I am town. now why did you want me to say that'.
actually when revising it, you kinda had a point there with swords. his post looks odd.
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I've never played with a LD before too. is it common raven? is this why your 'brain' told you?
@89: I'm guessing that any LD more than 1shot is entirely OPed.

thenewearth, you vote and THEN go to read up? that's bad. you're lucky your vote is on the right target lol

[shos]

unofficial VC:

VOTE COUNT lol by shos

1. SleepyKrew (3) - JasonWazza, shos, thenewearth

2. Hyperion (0) -
3. Ms Marangal (1) - sword_of_omens
4. thenewearth (0) -
5. JasonWazza (0) -
6. shos (2) - SleepyKrew, Ravenpaw
7. Zhero (0) -
8. Ravenpaw (1) - Hyperion
9. sword_of_omens (0) -

NOT VOTING (2): Zhero, Ms Marangal,

DEADLINE: (expired on 2013-03-25 16:00:00)

thenewearth has put SK in L-2

[shos]

when something looks odd, I ask about it and question it, even if it comes from a conftown. it's not in order to imply you're scum, it's in order to understand.

if it was something like, "everyone post in bold, daykill: thenewearth", on the basis of 'trust me', would you do that?? nope. you'd ask about it. even if it was a conftown talking.

[shos]

99.
first quote:
"this is scummy!"
"why?"
"not tellinggggggg"
...hun, are you 9 years old? :/

second quote:
"you never said you made a mistake"

Raven was saying i was over-eager for posting "i am town" twice in the same post...

*sigh*

I get it now .__.
took me a while to get that. mescuzzy.

QED

third quote:
fair enough. I'll try to get that for you later. should be noted tho, that Jason himself said he did not fear to play scummy a few posts agi >_>

forth:
see second.
also, actively ignoring someone is definitely not inherently anti town. in this case, for example, we can go and grind again and again about the same subject about that hypocrisy thing, and it will just distract that town from scum, despite the fact that it has already been completely resolved.

fifth:

My case on you Shos is this: you jumped quickly onto my wagon by grabbing onto Hyper’s invalid reason. You did not look at the actual posts that created this conflict because if you had you would’ve realised that it was invalid. Also you have continually misrepped people and you are overly defensive. Your reaction to the roles in the game in post 51 is also very telling to me.

look. Hype voted you. one page TWO. barely RVS some may say. I voted you too, SECOND VOTE. what wagon are you talking about; yours did not even rise enough.
you say that I continually misrepped people, when it's been repeatedly repeated that it was precisely one mistake (which, now, it is your turn to miss). overly defensive? I don't think so. not in this game at least >__> here I'm just responding to you. you attack me, I defend, really not overly defensive.
about post 51: that's a realy long post, I have no idea what you are talking about, and what it is telling you.

sixth: so you're saying you basically guessed his role correctly, based only on the fact he asked us to post we're town? O_o;;
if that is the case you must be superman or something. I've seen people ask people to say they're town dozens of times and never seen a lie detector yet.

last quote:
so if you never played with one, I didn't, MS didn't, and who knows about the others, how did you guess he's a LD?
OPed=OverPowered.

about SK - site server is currently down so I can't look at his ISO now(also this message I'll probably send later :\ ) but if memory serves right, it all started with SK suggesting we claim our pokemon which is antitown.

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@post 100: you are the one who decided that not cooperating = questioning motives.. >_>

[shos]

wrote this like an hour ago XD

[shos]

@107:
I don't get your insistence on not telling me what you want.
I just checked and indeed swords was voting you as well, so forfeiting that point
bout 51: you mean this:?
"Also, not only protective roles would be obvious. I mean duh Chansey is prob doc but ya know if I knew someone was Entei I'd have a guess about whether they're powerful >__> and if I have one charmander and one charizard against me as scum, I would obviously know which one to shoot. you've been acting bad. " what's this telling you?

look, if you really believe I am scum, you're going to have to

say

why, and not let me guess. this is the fourth time already~ I don't have to beg you to make a case on me, lol. if you're town, scumhunt, don't do halfway and stop, it looks fake.

about you being catwoman, if I get the time somewhen (probably sunday I can do that) I can link you to like 5 games that I played myself in which people asked people the same and it was for later use. that's bullshit. and you're bullshitting. if that game you're talking about's LD did the same, then by all means I withdraw and link me. if not, then I call bullshit. you said it was 'fairly obvious' to you. no way in hell. VOTE: Ravenpaw

also don't frekin tell me misrep, I'll get it for you.

no I have not come across a lie detector, why?

and no I didn't, I just questioned the usefulness of what he was asking, which wasn't very.

Because I remember you saying that you were fairly experienced on another board so it felt a bit odd to me you hadn't come across a lie detector before.

And yeah, asking about the usefulness of something Jason was doing

is

questioning his motives.

QEDed again

and about that last question of yours, we've been through this a gazillion times, right? wanna repeat it again? I'll help you get it in another post.

ninja'd, we'll get that soon

[shos]

may I ask how 'later' you are planning to use that I am town thingie.?

also Hype got a point

VOTE: Ravenpaw

No, Swords posted the “I am town” twice in his post

hype and me voted YOU. not SWORDS. have YOU been reading properly.?

however

it should be noted that I'm keeping an FoS on Raven, the reaction to my pressure justified it very well.

[shos]

alright calmeddown and now read hyperion's post, gotta lol at this, maybe after repeating it a thousand times raven will understand when it comes from hype -_-;

@hype: thenewearth came, voted SK to L-2, and disappeared. that's votable on my list; worse than SK coming to think about it.
about the daykill - of course it is different, but you get the point. maybe daykill wasn't the right choice on my end for an example, but it gets the idea through. If it was, "everybody please post, in bold, 'nightkill: shos' please" then it's precisely the same.
about 51: why useless? O_o

which brings up the question again: while at L-1, do we want the lynchee to claim before the LD or not?

@swords - you can vote now, I've unvoted~

[shos]

@Jason: generally a Lynch All Liars attitude (excusing gambits and stuff alike of course). When you see someone start making excuses for those little things, it rings a bell.

@Zhero: the discussion is not about 'having heard of'. it is about the fact that Raven has claimed in two different places two different things. One was that it was "fairly obvious" to him that Jason was a lie detector, and the other in this page (107) :

I recalled another game that I had read where there had been a lie detector role and that this person could choose any statement from someone and submit it to the mod who would tell them if it was a lie or not. So key for this player was to get everyone to say something like I am town or I am not scum. Add in the fact that Jason is an IC my brain concluded that he did not have a malicious intent and that he was probably given a lie detecting ability.

.
maybe it's a language barrier, but the way I understand it, it is completely different. considering the fact that the 'explanation' came AFTERwards, it rings a bell named "LIES".

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So now I have two people voting me, one who doesn't wanna say why, and the other is gut. perf. remind me next time to play with names I recognize >_>;

[shos]

I have to say I am annoyed. this game seems to revolve around too few people, and it with time they all vote within themselves, while others are barely heard and could be scum lurking to win.

[shos]

Therwa a big diff between those two, raven.

But fine, go ahead then. Ill stop pursuing thid for now, in night i will.confirm my thougjts.

If you guys want to lynch me, dont waste the LD on me, just let me claim, it would be enough to make you understand..>_>

[shos]

Im a joat. Crumbed somewhere, capitals in one of the early.posts hpell JIAT.

Let me get to the comp in the evening and ill claim all my powers (there are 4) and my flavor.

[shos]

Please just wait, when i get a comp.ill tell you eceryting.

Ill het my crimb tho

[shos]

J

ee weez I AM TOWN
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....amidoindisrite..?

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f course the mod confirms -__-; did you ask him by pm to say it loudly or did he do it by himself?

A

t first i was thinking you're just faking but then i saw the mod editted his post after i posted my posts so.... >__>

T

he mod said that you're innocent child, but not your flavor. anything interesting there? i mean, let's rephrase that, should we ask questions about the rest of your role pm or not?

@sleepy: why would you want to do that. wouldn't it uh, expose info about roles.? i mean, from my pm i can only assume that getting a pokemon like dragonite cannot possibly be vt, so if one claims his pokemon it might hurt them...

[shos]

Im dragonitw, i have 4 powers, all one shot

[shos]

Have you.never heard if breadcrumbs?

I have four abilities, all dragon stuff, the names dont fit the actual sbilities. Gimme a sec and ill tell you names and abilities.
The flavor is one line about me beung intelligent and great.

Actually,

mod, can i post the names of my attacks?

Meanwhule, the ppwrrs are doc, voyeur, flavorcop and vig.

[shos]

Also in case i get hammered, gor the revord:

vote thenewearth

I also think raven is scum of course. So just.in case.

[shos]

back on comp finally.

Look, I can confirm myself to you if you need. it's going to be a waste of ability, but I can use the voyeur or the flavorcop and claim my results tomorrow, and it's still better than to waste the Lie Detector shot.

I'll claim the names of the attack after getting an answer from the mod, Jason.


now for a well written claim:

I am Dragonite. My role is a JoAT role - I have four one-shot powers.
my flavor is just one line, saying that I am great and smart. there's also a cool picture of me

My four attacks are not wgat you would expect; the pokemon attack does not resemble the power it has here. example: imagine a Solar Beam name for a jailkeeper or something.
my powers are:
(all one-shot)
doc,
voyeur,
flavor cop,
vig.

I tend to breadcrumb sometimes, this time I did: see this post, all capitalized letters spell JOAT, in the first real post of mine in the game. in the same post, I also mentioned dragonite in context...didn't say that before~

[shos]

why is that line concerning.? that is a powerful tool. we only have one shot at it. I'm a JOAT without a copping ability, so in my eyes, that might effectively be the only confirmation ability we have ingame. wasting it on me? a provable joat? :/

I dunno. you can use it on me if you wish. It'll probably just get me killed as conftown with powers.

[shos]

hmm.

well why would scum need a flavorcop. it's an ability that tells me what pokemon the target is ._.;; I'd understand a rolecop, but flavor?

[shos]

meh. that's weak. I dunno. I can vig you if you wish for better proof XD

[shos]

err, Bah?
VOTE: Shos

Good luck mate, you can pull this off >< Kill Jason, don't trust that his two powers suck.

[shos]

Err lol btw, I think I have like 7 or 8 votes out of 9 players

[shos]

lol Ms M confused everything over here. here:
this is her role:

Your moves are as follows:
Sludge - Two-shot Roleblock
You will stop your target's night action.

Smoke Screen - One-shot Doctor
You will stop anyone in your team, including yourself, from being night killed.

Smog - One-shot Poison
Your target will die two nights after use unless doctor protected.

Mimic - One-shot Ability Thief
You will steal the move your target uses and be able to use it the next night only.


my role is:


Your moves are as follows:
Pay Day - One-shot Voyeur
You will be told what your target did.

Growl - Two-shot Flavor Cop
You will be told flavor about your target.

Fury Swipes - One-shot Doctor
You will protect your target from night kill.

Screech - One-shot Role Cop
You will be told what Pokemon your target is.

and sleepy's are:

Your moves are as follows:
Glare - One-shot Redirect
Your target will be redirected to a different target.

Wrap - Two-shot Roleblock
You will stop your target's action; however, it only works if they were targeting you.

Bite - One-shot Day Kill
You will kill your target during the day, in thread, and be unable to use a night action.

Screech - One-shot Role Cop
You will be told what Pokemon your target is.


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So obviously we were OPed imo, expecially since we were three and you guys didn't know that. that was the key advantage, since you guys naturally assumed 2 scums and so you wouldn't know when it's lylo etc (not counting abilities yet).

the mod has not answered us if the daykill resets the votecount; if it doesn't then 1 L-1 situation and it's over - wayyyy too OPed.

poison was just an added OP bonus, lol.

Jason's IC wasn't that OP at all. so yea, you guys had a LD, which at best kills one scum(me) and one townie; but again - we only needed one mislynch, there are plenty of other townies.

Can all townies massclaim now and someone make a table of powers? I mean town had a vast power as well, maybe we can analyze it and see if its might is as strong as ours..

[shos]

btw I suggest you guys read the QT.
http://www.quicktopic.com/50/H/NVB3fbtuvWZ

[shos]

I keep telling you it was random cop.

What... Even though it's end game you still won't believe me? That's just mean

lol

random cop is actually completely useless.

[shos]

well I have a question, how good did you think my fakeclaim was? I researched it quite a bit