Micro 142: Pokemon! [TEAM ROCKET VICTORY]

[JasonWazza]

Hey guys i am your innocent child

VOTE: TheNewEarth

Also i would like everyone to make one post only saying "I am Town"

This will be for later

[JasonWazza]

JasonWazza is an Innocent Child. You know this much to be true.

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I was confirmed when the game started so why is it bad me claiming it SoO?

[JasonWazza]

Also anyone quicklynching before i get to say something about the lynch will be lynched immediately.

[JasonWazza]

You going to do my request Ms Marangal?

[JasonWazza]

Please Ms Marangal just do it, it's part of what my role can do.

[JasonWazza]

I'm honestly not even sure what you mean >.>

[JasonWazza]

Point taken, i may as well explain it then.

I'm a one shot day lie detector, what i'm going to do with it is this, instead of a claim "intent to hammer" will get me lie detecting the "i am town" post of a player, meaning instead of lynching them they become confirmed town instead.

[JasonWazza]

Also any protective roles will be on the conf. town.

[JasonWazza]

Pedit: Jason just admitted to also being a one-shot Day Lie detector

FTFY

Also considering my pokemon i don't think that role really coresponds to pokemon.

But yeah i am against a name claim and i don't see any benefit other then locking scum into a name at the possible loss of good pokemon (and doc's may be obvious as i can only think of a few pokemon that would work)

Also @shos i didn't get a choice on timing sadly.

UNVOTE: TheNewEarth
VOTE: SleepyKrew

Just because i feel that may have been more scum motivated then town motivated.

[JasonWazza]

ok then...
@JW - just so i understand...you have to wait until someone is at L-1 and then you can say "intent to hammer" and that will allow you to perform a lie detect on them?

If this is the case, then i suggest we don't wait until close to deadline to get the first wagon going, just in case they do come back as town, we might need some time to find a good counterlynch...
also for the first wagon, i suggest that the player need not role-claim at L-1, seeing as you can verify them...this might keep a town PR from outting himself to scum.

Yes i am waiting to L-1 to use this power, and that was practically the whole idea except for the part where the guy out's himself at all.

Also i want all Protective type roles on this guy that gets conf. town, do not WIFOM or i will hurt you.

I'm fairly sure nobody is a VT...
Anyway yeah didn't think about how protective would be obvious.

Have you ever played pokemon? >.>

[JasonWazza]

Ravenpaw seems really genuine to be honest.

[JasonWazza]

Actually yeah i can understand that, my Fury Attack is the reason I'm an innocent child.

But i still feel like a doctor would be obvious etc.

(Also defense curl would totally be bullet proof?)

[JasonWazza]

lol, Fury attack makes you an innocent child?

Is there a problem with that?

Anyway enough speculating lets keep the scumhunting going rather then this.

[JasonWazza]

About roleclaiming at L-1: that's a question worth raising:

Pros:

**after a claim, we might decide not to lynch him, and save the 1-shot lie detector for the next possible lynch.
**after a claim, we might not need to waste the same shot, and lynch him immediately (for example, if he fakeclaims something that we know is wrong)

Cons:

**in case he's town with a PR that will not make us retreat after teh claim, we're using the LD and we've let scum know the power he possesses.

What we do?

First guy to L-1 is NOT to claim.

Yes i am waiting to L-1 to use this power, and that was practically the whole idea except for the part where the guy out's himself at all.

Also i want all Protective type roles on this guy that gets conf. town, do not WIFOM or i will hurt you.

arright, enough with the misunderstandings please. what the hell does this post mean.?

the guy outs himself...so you mean you don't want a claim before you use your ability?
and what is that second sentence. sounds like you're 100% sure that you'll get a town result; and what about YOU? you're conftown as well.

Yes i am conf. town, i also have limited use as super conf. town, so basically you get another conf. town to replace me (or a dead scum guy).

Ravenpaw seems really genuine to be honest.

tell me, what feels genuine?

Not quite sure something just gives me a gut feeling of genuine, but that may be the avatar and the Harry Potter theme of the account (i was into Harry Potter when i was younger)

But i'm sure i will work it out soon enough.


I'll make sure everything is super clear for today

Get some scummy guy in the town to L-1
I use my lie detector powers.
Scum read = lynch when i say so
Town read = conf. town must be protected and then line up lynches normally.

Honestly i am hoping for a townie over a scum person.

[JasonWazza]

and no I didn't, I just questioned the usefulness of what he was asking, which wasn't very.

Second Conf. town or conf. scum lynch isn't very useful?

[JasonWazza]

Also Shos fact of the matter, i am playing different because i am conf. town and have nothing to lose by being scummy as i want.

But i am playing in a way that is useful to my role.

no I have not come across a lie detector, why?

and no I didn't, I just questioned the usefulness of what he was asking, which wasn't very.

Because I remember you saying that you were fairly experienced on another board so it felt a bit odd to me you hadn't come across a lie detector before.

And yeah, asking about the usefulness of something Jason was doing

is

questioning his motives.

To be fair i hadn't come across it till recently as well (think i'd seen it in another game once but never played with it)

[JasonWazza]

Why does it really matter why i asked for it, clearly it would have some further use, there was no need to ask about it really.

Also Lie Detector is only OP if it's known there is one and s/he isn't claimed, because once claimed it's about as useful as a claimed cop.

P-Edit: L-2 isn't that bad, notify people when it's L-1

[JasonWazza]

SleepyKrew's nickname is SK you dope

[JasonWazza]

What does Oped mean?

OverPowered

Basically means that a role is too strong to be used (Lie Detector is basically a cop in claimed situations.)

[JasonWazza]

we can go and grind again and again

@Mod: Am i allowed to post this in the no context quotes thread?

Post-game. Thou shalt not break site rules for humor.

so if you never played with one, I didn't, MS didn't, and who knows about the others, how did you guess he's a LD?

I was kinda hoping for this ignorance so i could kinda just glide it in without much being said about it.

[JasonWazza]

shos, what about "knowing" i was a lie detector makes Ravenpaw scum?

Seriously answer me that.

[JasonWazza]

@Jason: generally a Lynch All Liars attitude (excusing gambits and stuff alike of course). When you see someone start making excuses for those little things, it rings a bell.

Wait what?

That makes no sense as an answer to my question.

How do you go from, Ravenpaw assuming lie detector, to, Ravenpaw is a liar.

[JasonWazza]

we can go and grind again and again

@Mod: Am i allowed to post this in the no context quotes thread?

Post-game. Thou shalt not break site rules for humor.

BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Reading Ravens responses, it seems fairly decent and it makes sense however I'm not ready to fully let go of her. I'm liking Sho's alot less now though, and I'm not following his logic anywhere. I defintely don't agree with LaL (Raven knows ) and Raven definitely isn't one to lie so accusing her as such is a pretty big misrep.

Sho's point against Sleepy is OMGUS. I'm not understanding his wagon at all. yeah, he asked for flavor claims, but that could have easily come from Noob town. is there anything else that makes him suspicious?

Ms M are you voting Sho's already?

If not would you consider doing so?

If you would consider doing so could you please

I'd vote him but honestly i want to hammer (assuming his lie detect comes up as scum >.>)

[JasonWazza]

Yeah lets not waste the LD lets just lynch him based on that single statement.

UNVOTE: SleepyKrew
VOTE: Shos

L-1

[JasonWazza]

Say it just in case i need it later, i'm not wasting it on shos.

[JasonWazza]

Yeah i don't believe that for a second.

[JasonWazza]

Considering how over powered i am in myself and assuming we don't have many VT's from the way people are acting i doubt it extremely.

[JasonWazza]

UNVOTE: shos

Thinking

[JasonWazza]

Also i'd say you can name moves because i named mine and didn't get warned or anything.

[JasonWazza]

Hey shos, your a liar.

Shos is now confirmed scum.

I am Fearow, i have a total of 4 moves but i will name the ones i have explained only.

Drill Peck- Lie detector
Fury Attack- Innocent Child

VOTE: Shos

[JasonWazza]

hmm.

well why would scum need a flavorcop. it's an ability that tells me what pokemon the target is ._.;; I'd understand a rolecop, but flavor?

Also Flavor cop IS generally scum based, this game giving a role cop wouldn't make all that much sense, but giving a Flavor cop would make sense.

[JasonWazza]

Just so you know the "don't waste the lie detector on me" gave it away.

[JasonWazza]

Also i never said my powers sucked, i just said i won't reveal them

No protective roles on me, pick your biggest town read aside from me.

[JasonWazza]

Well fuck, Vig if you exist, your a dumbass

If it's an SK were basically all fucked

Damn that trying to draw the scum kill.

3rd move, Fly, i am basically a passive commuter, meaning not even a strongman kill can penetrate me.

I am so OP it hurts :3

[JasonWazza]

We can semi guess the flavor, and yeah that is why i tried to have all doc's off me :3

4th move will come into effect Night 2.

[JasonWazza]

Sadly i think scum have safeclaims though or it's easy enough to make up safe claims.

I agree with thenewearth about raven being the scum kill, i was already finding her town back on like page 2

[JasonWazza]

Jason is OBV town

Well no fucking duh

If anything, I should be considered JOAT.
AND YES. I AM CLAIMING.

Jason: I should tell you this. You should've told me about fly 'cause my first pick to protect was you.
So yeah :V

I think we should mass claim, don't claim powers yet (but i honestly think most people are JOAT's and that scum have safe claims.)

[JasonWazza]

Nobody claim moves, everyone claim night actions and pokemon.

[JasonWazza]

Oh and i forgot, scum start shitting yourself.

[JasonWazza]

Wait you did more the one action?

[JasonWazza]

Nobody claim moves

, everyone claim night actions and pokemon.

Meaning only claim what you did last night.

[JasonWazza]

well i was an impossible kill :3

I'm untargetable Biatch

[JasonWazza]

I still had 2 untold moves, why did you think i would not say them if i thought i was useless?

[JasonWazza]

Also, no one claim anything yet...

Your innocent child is telling you to claim, so unless your scum still manufacturing your claim, claim NOW

[JasonWazza]

I say Jason is a "spy kid" instead of calling him JOAT.

Nope I'm Fearow the newest fucking legendary :3

[JasonWazza]

a) didn't the first scum claim Voyeur i think that's a slip in itself.
b) Victreebel was actually with team rocket in the TV shows.
c) at this point i say we don't believe TNE or we don't believe SoO

@Mod: If a voyeur targeted someone who doctored a commuter what would the Voyeur get?

My theory is that he still should have gotten that TNE was doctoring rather then nothing, in fact he should have gotten ~some~ result instead of nothing.

[JasonWazza]

Ms M - Cop Zhero Town
TNE - Doc Me
SoO - Voyeur TNE Nothing

SK and Zhero need to claim night actions

That is what we have right now, SoO's pokemon claim makes me think it could be him (i could easily see Victreebel and Meowth being the scum team makes perfect sense.)

Ms M has made Zhero clear whether she is town or scum.

Zhero - Clear town
JasonWazza - Clear town

TNE - Possible scum
Ms M - Possible scum
SoO - Possible Scum
SK - Possible Scum

Who has killing roles in there JoAT combos?

[JasonWazza]

Assuming no SK i think town has won.

[JasonWazza]

Zhero are you just a killing role or are you a JoAT that happened to have a kill that you can't use any more?

[JasonWazza]

You realize he is cleared right?

I mean i don't like the kill either but meh it's done.

@Zhero: so no more kills?

[JasonWazza]

*is trying to break the game so town can't lose*

[JasonWazza]

Well to be fair i am still hiding a major part of my role :3

[JasonWazza]

here...i'll high-liight it for you:

Town win condition is to 'defeat the evil Pokemon', so scum are presumably Pokemon, just like town

it was a cheese move, but it did it's part...most mods will put up a sample pm so players won't do this...
notice how there wasn't a sample pm? notice his "wording"?
no, you wouldn't...because you are scum...

Conform vote: Ms M

You realize if scum have fake claims they have this line right?

[JasonWazza]

Also stop lynching SoO you stupid dipshits

[JasonWazza]

Don't worry TNE...its not tvt... she is scum. ..
Lynch me, we can afford a mislynch...just stay on point tomorrow. ..
Tomorrow she's going to say she didn't realize it would be mylo when she took the bet and she will try and get out of her lynch by
Saying that town will lose with her lynch. ..


Town seems way too OP

2 DOCS, IC, self commuter...she is scum...

To be honest YOU are even OP and i'm keeping you alive tonight, your moves can be of use.

[JasonWazza]

Can everyone stop talking shit till SK comes in, Zhero said he doesn't have any extra shots.

[JasonWazza]

What activity are we supposed to have?

I think most of us are waiting on SK

[JasonWazza]

WAIT WILL YOU

Wait for an SK claim then we will advance to a lynch lead by the conf town.

[JasonWazza]

OK TNE do you have a mimic move?

[JasonWazza]

Mimic: Ability absorbtion

Something like this

[JasonWazza]

Trying to work out night moves to fuck scum but i might just let people do what they want....

[JasonWazza]

What i'm thinking is this;

Lynch SK
SoO tracks TNE
Ms M mimics SoO
TNE does something....

Me and Zhero do whatever we please to catch scum as confirmed's.

[JasonWazza]

because it keeps people truthful.

If you don't get a tracker move then SoO is scum.
If SoO gets something sussed then TNE is scum.

Do you get the point now?

[JasonWazza]

Oh btw. I STILL think the Sword vs. MM was completely town vs. town.

So either way

If that's the case it's you or SK

[JasonWazza]

That's why i'm waiting on SK or a replacement coming in and claiming.

[JasonWazza]

you forget the existance of me :3

[JasonWazza]

Trust me i am the ace in the hole for this last night

[JasonWazza]

Yay (sorta)

[JasonWazza]

Alright then so shit gets interesting, Bacde what is your other moves other then that Day Vig?

[JasonWazza]

Fearow doesn't need a jetpack.

And you don't even know my other move yet

OK so depending on what else Bacde has i am thinking;

DayVig Ms M
Lynch SoO
TNE cops Bacde
Bacde does something back to TNE

then in LYLO lynch the fake claimer.

[JasonWazza]

DO NOT ACT ON THAT BEFORE YOU CLAIM ALL YOUR OTHER MOVES BACDE

[JasonWazza]

TNE don't under any circumstance block Bacde.

You shall cop Bacde, my plan is foolproof.

[JasonWazza]

Also Ms M your either being lynched or daykilled

[JasonWazza]

I'm leaning on DayKill just to 100% confirm Zhero

[JasonWazza]

As Ms M scum would make it possible there is an SK and then that gets more messy.

[JasonWazza]

TNE what do you mean random copping?

Also no one act until Bacde claims all his other moves.

[JasonWazza]

Also wait to lynch please, we don't want to rush this.

[JasonWazza]

No cop, whatever sanity doesn't matter.

[JasonWazza]

sigh you dumb fuck

[JasonWazza]

Ms M Doc Zhero
TNE Block Bacde
Bacde go die in a hole.

[JasonWazza]

Bacde quit being a scum fuck.

TNE i really hope your fucking block stops the dayvig.

[JasonWazza]

Bacde you hammered against Confirmed town's orders, we were still setting shit up you scum fuck.

P-Edit: he claimed 1 shot i am pretty sure.

[JasonWazza]

I am extremely doubtful sword is scum, you on the other hand i am quite sure is scum.

[JasonWazza]

Why would you quickhammer?

Because the town was working on pushing scum right into a corner where they couldn't win.

[JasonWazza]

what the fuck

[JasonWazza]

Why 3 scum in 9 people?

[JasonWazza]

Real no lie moves;
Fly - Two-shot Commute
You evade everything for the night.

Drill Peck - One-shot Day Lie Detector
Give the moderator a post during the day, before twilight, and the moderator will tell you if they're lying or not.

Fury Attack - Innocent Child
You are announced as undeniably town D1.

Mirror Move - Two-shot Ability Thief
You copy the move and role of your target, only able to use it the very next night.

With Mirror Move and fly not usable at the same time.

Hey least i know i can pull off faking a passive commuter

[JasonWazza]

he would have got doced N2 read your move properly

"Your target will die two nights after use unless doctor protected."

From my reading of that it means on either night.

And yeah i had the ability thief, town was powerful as fuck, but not knowing there is 3 scum in a 9 player game was shit.

I mean even a SK and 2 mafia i'd be happy but 3 mafia is just a bit iffy.

[JasonWazza]

Scum with a daykill is like a venge scum almost. So OP as fuck in a 3 scum game

Day chat makes scum OP

There were so many reasons why scum were OP that outweigh then town OPness by far.

[JasonWazza]

And fucking hell any LYLO situation before the daykill was used resulted in a loss that is fucked.

Mislynch day 1 and no protect = scum instant win

[JasonWazza]

HOLY FUCK THIS GAME WAS BROKEN BEYOND BELIEF

[JasonWazza]

This game could have been effectively over in the first day

[JasonWazza]

If he hadn't have asked to not get lie detected he probably wouldn't have died so easily >.>

But seriously 6v3 is broken so much.

List of Mafia OP moves;
Poison kill
Day kill
Normal group kill
2 x 2 shot role block
1 shot redirect

Seriously not only is it possible for 3 kills in one day/night phase but on top of all that you have roleblocks and redirects.

Ms M how can you not think you guys were OP?

[JasonWazza]

Also putting into account that a name claim would have likely got one townie insta-lynched (because scum would knowingly fake-claim)

[JasonWazza]

OMFG THEN THERE IS MS M'S WHOLE TEAM DOCTOR WHAT THE FUCK

[JasonWazza]

Wrap - Two-shot Roleblock
You will stop your target's action; however, it only works if they were targeting you.

Sludge - Two-shot Roleblock
You will stop your target's night action.

[JasonWazza]

Oh didn't read the description but it's still a roleblock.

[JasonWazza]

Ms M

IC with lie detector: Sort of OP

3 player scum team: OP as fuck

Couple of townsided doctors; yeah kinda OP

Scum sided whole team doctor: OP as fuck

[JasonWazza]

Actually i will be fair, i was OP as fuck (and i was trying to fake being even more OP) but with what scum had there's nearly no reason they should have lost.

[JasonWazza]

And Ms M has a Ability steal and could have picked up a Vig kill......

[JasonWazza]

@Chkflip;

IF you make this game again MAKE SURE TO GET PEOPLE TO REVIEW THAT IT IS BALANCED.

[JasonWazza]

Daykill
Mislynch
Nightkill

Instant scum win

[JasonWazza]

Having seen the setup I can say it was balanced at all

Did you make a typo or is that how you thought (it kinda just reads like it should be "can't")

[JasonWazza]

no worries...it's what won the game for you guys...

having 3 scum in a 9 player really did kill us...
although if last night had gone awry for scum, i have no doubts that town would have lynched you and then followed up with MsM.

Nothing really could have gone awry Ms M had the team doctor up.

[JasonWazza]

Nah scum can no lynch and day kill to win.

Day kill would take effect before the lynch so yeah.

Any LYLO if a scum has a day kill the scum wins.

[JasonWazza]

Im dragonitw, i have 4 powers, all one shot

Honestly town wasn't aware that we were in a world with team rocket (No where does it state that team rocket exists before you getting lynched) and i would have honestly assumed Dragonite was scum regardless lols.