Micro 142: Pokemon! [TEAM ROCKET VICTORY]

[Ravenpaw]

Vote: Sword

For repeating the ‘I am Town’ statement, seems like you’re a little too keen to push that idea through.

Also

Vote: Ravenpaw

For reminding me of harry potter for some reason

It’s weird you saying this because my avatar is Emma Watson lol.

Also for Jason: I am town.

[Ravenpaw]

Hiya Ms M!

oh, derp I didn't read Jason's post thoroughly but still, point being you both mindlessly followed him is pretty suspicious.

I wasn’t mindlessly following Jason, he asked for something (which I had no issue providing) so I answered.

hmmmm...It appears I missed the mod IC statement...
Ok then. .. I probably would have played it the same. ..
At least you'll get to pick and choose. ..

What do you mean in that last sentence Sword? Pick and choose what?

[Ravenpaw]

Vote: Sword

For repeating the ‘I am Town’ statement, seems like you’re a little too keen to push that idea through.

Also

Vote: Ravenpaw

For reminding me of harry potter for some reason

It’s weird you saying this because my avatar is Emma Watson lol.

Also for Jason: I am town.

So you voted Sword for the "I am town" statement ad then do the exact same thing?

VOTE: Ravenpaw
Also, for now I am against nameclaims

No, Swords posted the “I am town” twice in his post (I bolded it below so you see it!):

Lol...JW..
Bad enough you claim IC....
don't try and paint a giant ass bullseye on yourself or nothing. ..


But sure. .. for easy viewing pleasure:

I am town

Also

Vote: Ravenpaw

For reminding me of harry potter for some reason

I am town

Did you not properly read his post or something?

may I ask how 'later' you are planning to use that I am town thingie.?

also Hype got a point

VOTE: Ravenpaw

You’re attack is not very effective shos, after seeing what I just wrote above do you still feel Hyper has a point?

[Ravenpaw]

Yay lots of activity brings out my happy!

Unvote
VOTE: Shos

Posts incoming.

[Ravenpaw]

I'm fairly sure nobody is a VT...
Anyway yeah didn't think about how protective would be obvious.

in post 1 mod said:

"This is a closed setup, which means the only roles you will know in advance are your own and that of any other player I mention in your role PM. All other role information is secret, including how many players with a certain role exist and even if the role exists in the first place. Yes, a game with absolutely no vanilla townies is possible. It's been done before."

so there may or may not be VTs. that is enough with setup specs.

Also, not only protective roles would be obvious. I mean duh Chansey is prob doc but ya know if I knew someone was Entei I'd have a guess about whether they're powerful >__> and if I have one charmander and one charizard against me as scum, I would obviously know which one to shoot. you've been acting bad.

All of this reads as someone who did not get a townie PM, my fellow townies would know exactly what I'm talking about.

No, Swords posted the “I am town” twice in his post (I bolded it below so you see it!):

Lol...JW..
Bad enough you claim IC....
don't try and paint a giant ass bullseye on yourself or nothing. ..


But sure. .. for easy viewing pleasure:

I am town

Also

Vote: Ravenpaw

For reminding me of harry potter for some reason

I am town

Did you not properly read his post or something?

may I ask how 'later' you are planning to use that I am town thingie.?

also Hype got a point

VOTE: Ravenpaw

You’re attack is not very effective shos, after seeing what I just wrote above do you still feel Hyper has a point?

uh, yes? I believe this is another misunderstanding...or something: hype and me voted YOU. not SWORDS. have YOU been reading properly.?

Yes I have been reading properly, moreso then you seems who keeps pulling the "misunderstanding" card.

Oi, I forgot to vote this - VOTE: SleepyKrew.

however

it should be noted that I'm keeping an FoS on Raven, the reaction to my pressure justified it very well. the vote would still lie there if SK didn't bug me moar.

What about my reaction justifies it?
What bugs you about SK?

@59: how on earth is that a question of motives. I dunno, the way I see this, I spelled out perfectly well what I meant.

Jason's playing just really really bad. I don't remember specifics but, it's been like three times already that I wanted to lynch him and said oh shit.

Can you show me some examples of where you believe a Jason lynch would have been justified?

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@60: yup. and we'd still lynch him for being scummy/stupid.

wow. you guys are like, seriously bad.

Vote: Sword

For repeating the ‘I am Town’ statement, seems like you’re a little too keen to push that idea through.

Also

Vote: Ravenpaw

For reminding me of harry potter for some reason

It’s weird you saying this because my avatar is Emma Watson lol.

Also for Jason: I am town.

So you voted Sword for the "I am town" statement ad then do the exact same thing?

VOTE: Ravenpaw
Also, for now I am against nameclaims

The vote is agains RAVENPAW. the reson is that he voted SWORD because SWORD repeated the I AM TOWN.

AFTER

that, RAVENPAW repeated the I AM TOWN. THEREFORE RAVEN IS BEING HYPOCRITICAL

For a guy that hates to be misrepped you certainly seem to have no problem doing it to others… I am not being hypocritical. I voted swords for saying in his post “I am town” twice (that’s called repeating), in my post I do not say it twice therefore it was not hypocritical.

[Ravenpaw]

I do agree with you on Ravenpaw though, and I don't think her reactions are as Genuine as Jason says they are. the insta-buddy her and Omens did still bother me, but Omen is doing ok now I guess. questioning when it's needed, and wot-not.

Insta-buddy? Please show me where.

UNVOTE:
I think I see where shos is coming from.

Can you explain this please Zhero?

[Ravenpaw]

But I did think about it, my brain told me it was fairly obvious that he had some sort of lie detector ability.
Also, being that Jason is an IC, why should I have shown him any doubt in his motives?

[Ravenpaw]

Hmm this Ms Marangal gives me a very different vibe then the one I played with before, but maybe it’s because her playstyle is evolving (pun not intended, lol).

But I did think about it, my brain told me it was fairly obvious that he had some sort of lie detector ability.
Also, being that Jason is an IC, why should I have shown him any doubt in his motives?

well... My brain didn't, My brain questioned what exactly he was trying to do with his post and what I had come up with was he was trying to see if people would follow him. his motives isn't questionable, it's obviously coming from a town mindset. what was questionable though, was the motives of those who followed him IE yours and Omens

Everything would've been questionable in that situation, because if we had dug our heels in and said ‘nah we’re not gonna do that Jason’ then you could’ve said that that was questionable. And if we had just ignored him completely then that also would've been questionable. Either way you could’ve made a case on whatever direction Swords or I decided to take in regards to Jason’s request. So your argument does not hold.

his motives isn't questionable, it's obviously coming from a town mindset.

But you did question his motives

Finally, Ms M have you never come across the lie detector role before?

[Ravenpaw]

no I have not come across a lie detector, why?

and no I didn't, I just questioned the usefulness of what he was asking, which wasn't very.

Because I remember you saying that you were fairly experienced on another board so it felt a bit odd to me you hadn't come across a lie detector before.

And yeah, asking about the usefulness of something Jason was doing

is

questioning his motives.

[Ravenpaw]

Lol, you make me laugh Shos, it’s such a shame your scum.

@post 78: first quote: explain please; I specified my reasons for why SK's post was bad, bad, and finally, anti town. IIRC, I'm also voting him, so..?

No I will not explain, you yourself have said that there has been enough said about setup speculation.

second and third quotes: have you been reading the game? the whole topic of the first one was resolved already. yes, I made a mistake, why keep grinding at it? or is it a part of your 'case'? I also explained SK (like, a minute ago talked about it) and that 'justification' (even less than a minute ago).

Your 'justification' for your suspicion is not justified however, because I have already explained why I was not hypocritical. You never said you made a mistake and you have said my reaction to your vote was suspicious so I wanted to know why? What exactly about my reaction do you feel justifies a FOS? Also are you confirming to me that Hyper did not have a point when he voted for me?

forth quote: nope. Jason is conftown. Innocent child declared by the mod. why would I start digging for reasons to lynch him. If I see some I'll point them out for you from now on, but it's a complete waste of time to go back for it now~

I know Jason is confirmed town, I asked for examples because I wanted to try and figure out your line of thinking and what stuck out at you as scummy Jason play.

fifth: and once again you're repeating. *actively ignores*

I was not repeating myself; I was explaining to you why my actions are not hypocritical.
Actively ignoring someone is very anti-town btw.

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in conclusion, a bad OMGUS with a "I didn't read the game" case. Ima think about voting you for that, lol.
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My case on you Shos is this: you jumped quickly onto my wagon by grabbing onto Hyper’s invalid reason. You did not look at the actual posts that created this conflict because if you had you would’ve realised that it was invalid. Also you have continually misrepped people and you are overly defensive. Your reaction to the roles in the game in post 51 is also very telling to me.

But I did think about it,

my brain told me it was fairly obvious that he had some sort of lie detector ability

.
Also, being that Jason is an IC, why should I have shown him any doubt in his motives?

????
your brain told you.? explain please. also, I believe 'showing doubt in motives' is not the correct term to describe this. the right thing to say would be, why did you NOT wonder why?

Yes my brain told me so, lol. Basically that was a very crude way of me explaining my thought processes of why Jason’s request made sense to me.

But I did think about it, my brain told me it was fairly obvious that he had some sort of lie detector ability.
Also, being that Jason is an IC, why should I have shown him any doubt in his motives?

well... My brain didn't, My brain questioned what exactly he was trying to do with his post

this. it's like a copypaste of my thought. I agree less with the rest of this post, tho.

@84: lol @ pun
the correct reaction pre-claim was somthing like 'I am town. now why did you want me to say that'.
actually when revising it, you kinda had a point there with swords. his post looks odd.
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I've never played with a LD before too. is it common raven? is this why your 'brain' told you?
@89: I'm guessing that any LD more than 1shot is entirely OPed.

I don’t know if the lie detector is common, I have come across it once in a game before that I had read but not participated in.
What does Oped mean?

Also, Shos for clarification can you please explain your case on SK for me?

[Ravenpaw]

and no I didn't, I just questioned the usefulness of what he was asking, which wasn't very.

Second Conf. town or conf. scum lynch isn't very useful?

no, it is but I didn't see that when I had questioned it. I'm stating what I saw then

no I have not come across a lie detector, why?

and no I didn't, I just questioned the usefulness of what he was asking, which wasn't very.

Because I remember you saying that you were fairly experienced on another board so it felt a bit odd to me you hadn't come across a lie detector before.

And yeah, asking about the usefulness of something Jason was doing

is

questioning his motives.

I am yeah, around 10 months but a lie detector isn't a common role ,from what I understand, and it can easily be over-powered.

and no, just because you have town motives for something, doesn't always mean the outcome will always be useful.

That's not what I was getting at, I was pointing out the fact that you explicitly said that Jason's motives were not questionable, but anyone doing an iso can see that you did question his motives and therefore it is hypocrisy on your part.

[Ravenpaw]

There are way too many abbreviations used on this site lol.

[Ravenpaw]

99.
first quote:
"this is scummy!"
"why?"
"not tellinggggggg"
...hun, are you 9 years old? :/

We’ve already addressed this. The core of the matter is that everyone who has a townie PM will know exactly what I am getting at, so there is no point in me explaining it. Those who do not get it most likely did not get a townie role. Also SK has already hinted at what I am addressing if you really really want to know.

second quote:
"you never said you made a mistake"

Raven was saying i was over-eager for posting "i am town" twice in the same post...

*sigh*

I get it now .__.
took me a while to get that. mescuzzy.

Ok sorry, I did not realise that was you addressing me.

fifth:

My case on you Shos is this: you jumped quickly onto my wagon by grabbing onto Hyper’s invalid reason. You did not look at the actual posts that created this conflict because if you had you would’ve realised that it was invalid. Also you have continually misrepped people and you are overly defensive. Your reaction to the roles in the game in post 51 is also very telling to me.

look. Hype voted you. one page TWO. barely RVS some may say. I voted you too, SECOND VOTE. what wagon are you talking about; yours did not even rise enough.

It was a wagon because there were 3 votes.

about post 51: that's a realy long post, I have no idea what you are talking about, and what it is telling you.

Your first paragraph.

sixth: so you're saying you basically guessed his role correctly, based only on the fact he asked us to post we're town? O_o;;
if that is the case you must be superman or something. I've seen people ask people to say they're town dozens of times and never seen a lie detector yet.

last quote:
so if you never played with one, I didn't, MS didn't, and who knows about the others, how did you guess he's a LD?

Yeah I did guess it, but nah not Superman, can I be Catwoman instead?
And how did I guess it? Well I already explained this, but okay let’s go a bit more in-depth. When Jason asked us to all post a statement saying ‘I am town’ so he could use it for later, my brain started to think. I recalled another game that I had read where there had been a lie detector role and that this person could choose any statement from someone and submit it to the mod who would tell them if it was a lie or not. So key for this player was to get everyone to say something like I am town or I am not scum. Add in the fact that Jason is an IC my brain concluded that he did not have a malicious intent and that he was probably given a lie detecting ability.

@post 100: you are the one who decided that not cooperating = questioning motives.. >_>

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Misrep! I did not say this. What I said in regards to Ms M was that she had said that Jason's motives were not questionable, YET she had previously questioned him over his motives in wanting people to post that statement.

Also a question you missed answering Shos:

What exactly about my reaction do you feel justifies a FOS?

[Ravenpaw]

@Shos in your post 111 you still do not explain what it was about my particular reaction that you feel was suspicious. Just quoting conversation is not explaining.

And if you gonna try and make cases about me being a liar at least quote all the so called “evidence” not just snippets that are convenient for you. So here is apparently my lie:

But I did think about it, my brain told me it was fairly obvious that he had some sort of lie detector ability.
Also, being that Jason is an IC, why should I have shown him any doubt in his motives?

And how did I guess it? Well I already explained this, but okay let’s go a bit more in-depth. When Jason asked us to all post a statement saying ‘I am town’ so he could use it for later, my brain started to think. I recalled another game that I had read where there had been a lie detector role and that this person could choose any statement from someone and submit it to the mod who would tell them if it was a lie or not. So key for this player was to get everyone to say something like I am town or I am not scum. Add in the fact that Jason is an IC my brain concluded that he did not have a malicious intent and that he was probably given a lie detecting ability.

So yeah, no lie there. Ms M asked me to explain how I was not suspect of Jason’s question and I explained, and then you repeatedly asked me questions about how my brain came to that thought so I explained with a lot more depth. It is hard to figure out one’s own brain processes and how thoughts happen the way they do, so for you to use this against me is pretty weak.

Finally, I'm a her, not him.

[Ravenpaw]

I too think Sleepy might be the right lynch today…

Why?

[Ravenpaw]

Yeah I think Shos is telling the truth, his claim matches up with my role.

Unvote

I defintely don't agree with LaL (Raven knows )

Lol, this is true.

and Raven definitely isn't one to lie so accusing her as such is a pretty big misrep.

I will not lie as town, but what about as scum? It pretty much comes with the job description right?
Hmm... Ms M your buddying slightly bothers me.

VOTE: Ms Marangal

For now. I need to go back and check some things.

[Ravenpaw]

Wow, I totally forgot about this game and it's over already!
These were my moves:
Thunderbolt - One-shot Immobilize
You stop the target from doing any movement that night.

Bubblebeam - Two-shot Flavor Cop
You are told flavor about your target.

Water Gun - Two-shot Faith Healer
You have a 50/50 chance of saving your target from night kill.

Dragon Rage - Two-shot Vigilante Kill
You kill your target.

I was so tempted to vigilante Ms M, she was so obviously scum lol.
I'm curious though, because I did use immobilise on her night 1 so shouldn't that have stopped the kill?

[Ravenpaw]

Ah I get it, I think...

Congrats to the scum team.

and I was so obviously scum, yet you didn't attack me during the first day?

Well I did, albeit subtley. We had our little dialogue about motivations and Jason remember? And in my last post I did vote for you. Though I was still a bit unsure, until post #162 that's when I knew
I do give you kudos Ms M, you did well at manipulating in this game.