Micro 142: Pokemon! [TEAM ROCKET VICTORY]

[Ms Marangal]

Hi Raven, long time no see!

Hi TNE!

FOS: Raven and Sword

for trying to gain the trust of the only confirmed townie in the game

[Ms Marangal]

oh, derp I didn't read Jason's post thoroughly but still, point being you both mindlessly followed him is pretty suspicious.

[Ms Marangal]

Don't see the use of it Jason. I know that I'm town, but me saying as such wouldn't really matter.

Pedit: the reason being...?

[Ms Marangal]

ok then...

I am town

[Ms Marangal]

I am against name-claims and I also can't figure out why Sho would suggest that Jason should out his entire role PM. we don't want him to be a bigger target then he already is now. Mod also stated that there are no Vt's in this game in the OP so.

Pedit: Jason just admitted to also being a one-shot Lie detector

[Ms Marangal]

lol, Fury attack makes you an innocent child?

[Ms Marangal]

... yeah

give me a moment, you guys are moving fairly fast for a 9p game

[Ms Marangal]

crap how did I miss this I seem to have entirely ignored the first two posts on this page. entirely.

point taken, but don't you dare misrep me, I did not suggest that jason outs his entire role pm, I specifically asked IF we should ask questions about it. I'll remind you that the post was made without reading 25-6.

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should I make a different 'I am town' post just to make sure?

You're pretty jumpy Sho's, and pretty defensive. I wasn't trying to misrep you, I just misinterpreted your Motives.

and I don't know what of Jason's wall made you want to vote him

I do agree with you on Ravenpaw though, and I don't think her reactions are as Genuine as Jason says they are. the insta-buddy her and Omens did still bother me, but Omen is doing ok now I guess. questioning when it's needed, and wot-not.

[Ms Marangal]

Why do I gotta?

I'll vote, sometime later, but I will place a vote. I'm not one to change my vote very often, so when I do vote it's usually means I'm sticking with it. got a problem with that?

[Ms Marangal]

crap how did I miss this I seem to have entirely ignored the first two posts on this page. entirely.

point taken, but don't you dare misrep me, I did not suggest that jason outs his entire role pm, I specifically asked IF we should ask questions about it. I'll remind you that the post was made without reading 25-6.

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should I make a different 'I am town' post just to make sure?

this is what gave me the impression that you were a bit Jumpy. ... the same quote I posted in the post where I mentioned it...

anyway, I wasn't trying to misrep you, I just misinterpreted you. what I had seen was someone asking if we should question Jason and his other possible abilities (which I didn't see any use in. it just makes him that much more of target) which then registered as you wanted to out his role. I couldn't see any town motivation from that

and yes, I do have games to support the fact that I in fact do not vote early on. I have my wiki set up, and any game that I didn't replace in is worth looking into

Pedit: that smells of OMGUS. can't wait to see that explanation for the vote

[Ms Marangal]

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... &start=375
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=83&t=25693

these are my two finished games on site, in both I have not voted until way later on in the day, and in both I never changed my vote more then once

[Ms Marangal]

no... I just had it pulled from my wiki, I guess that's the page it goes to

[Ms Marangal]

the Insta-buddying that I'm talking about is the post I was originally concerned with. the post where you and Omen instantly did what Jason asked without a second thought. I read your reasoning on it, but the fact is, that it had happened.

[Ms Marangal]

But I did think about it, my brain told me it was fairly obvious that he had some sort of lie detector ability.
Also, being that Jason is an IC, why should I have shown him any doubt in his motives?

well... My brain didn't, My brain questioned what exactly he was trying to do with his post and what I had come up with was he was trying to see if people would follow him. his motives isn't questionable, it's obviously coming from a town mindset. what was questionable though, was the motives of those who followed him IE yours and Omens

[Ms Marangal]

no I have not come across a lie detector, why?

and no I didn't, I just questioned the usefulness of what he was asking, which wasn't very.

[Ms Marangal]

and no I didn't, I just questioned the usefulness of what he was asking, which wasn't very.

Second Conf. town or conf. scum lynch isn't very useful?

no, it is but I didn't see that when I had questioned it. I'm stating what I saw then

no I have not come across a lie detector, why?

and no I didn't, I just questioned the usefulness of what he was asking, which wasn't very.

Because I remember you saying that you were fairly experienced on another board so it felt a bit odd to me you hadn't come across a lie detector before.

And yeah, asking about the usefulness of something Jason was doing

is

questioning his motives.

I am yeah, around 10 months but a lie detector isn't a common role ,from what I understand, and it can easily be over-powered.

and no, just because you have town motives for something, doesn't always mean the outcome will always be useful.

[Ms Marangal]

Reading Ravens responses, it seems fairly decent and it makes sense however I'm not ready to fully let go of her. I'm liking Sho's alot less now though, and I'm not following his logic anywhere. I defintely don't agree with LaL (Raven knows ) and Raven definitely isn't one to lie so accusing her as such is a pretty big misrep.

Sho's point against Sleepy is OMGUS. I'm not understanding his wagon at all. yeah, he asked for flavor claims, but that could have easily come from Noob town. is there anything else that makes him suspicious?

[Ms Marangal]

no I am not. I will vote when I vote.

[Ms Marangal]

VOTE: Shos

Luv you Jason

[Ms Marangal]

so you can't be targeted at all at night? Some people get all the luck, sucks that Raven is dead though

anyway, SK? if we had an SK, that would mean we have 3 anti-town, now two in this game and that would put us in a major disadvantage. I mean, it would really only take a few mislynches to result in a town loss, so I'm thinking the second kill was a vig for balance purposes.

also, TNE got a little defensive when Swords accused her of being Sho's partner. do you really have something to hide TNE?

Pedit: How do you know Raven was def. scum kill?

[Ms Marangal]

Mm.. well, I'm looking at TNE or Swords as Sho's partner in this game, Jason is OBV town, and I doubt that Krew or Zhero is Sho's buddy given that they both attacked him, and He attacked them back.

well, actually looking back, Swords attacked sho's too, stated that he wanted to vote for him because of PL and TNE actually followed Sho's vote.

not to mention that, throughout the first day, he's done nothing other then speculate the game. he didn't even question the motives of others as far as I can remember. I think Swords was on point when he picked you up as Sho's buddy and you are now trying to hide that major association tell

[Ms Marangal]

holy shit you guys move fast

I'm Mr. Mime

and I am also a JoAT

I copped Zhero and he turned up town

[Ms Marangal]

err.. fuck, TNE has magical powers, or maybe I'm just that tired

I was against Name-claims yesterday and I still kinda am buutt... I already claimed my pokemon :/

I must have missed that post in the skim through. You're right, in the sense that it doesn't look like bussing so Skrew or Omens would be the logical choice here. I want to hear more from Omens though before I pursue him further

[Ms Marangal]

Swords is Victreebel? wasn't Victreebel seen as an evil pokemon several times in the shows?

I think sword just scum slipped, and given that he tried to cast suspicion on me and TNE both, I think he really is the last scum we are looking for. he's is one of the few who have shown any reluctance to interact with Sho, instead he went after Raven, myself and TNE. Swords as scum makes more and more sense

[Ms Marangal]

admittedly, I wasn't exactly confident about your play at all the first day Zhero. You weren't the most active person, and I had a choice between you, TNE, and Omens. there was something about you that made me uneasy in a way that the other two didn't so I copped you.

I also don't see how Zhero confirmed hiself as town at all the first day, not even when I look through his ISO. what is Omens talking about? and that OMGUS is horrible Omens, you should feel bad. it's obviously a valid point since, even Jason can see it being a possibility. In all honesty Omens, everyone kinda attacked Sho's yesterday, though even though you attacked him, you were fence-sitty on him until he started to gain some heat.

I have the feeling that Sho's was trying to white knight me and I didn't know why until he flipped. it's obvious that he was setting up frame-work for getting me mislynched today, and you are pushing that forward. you are definitely scum.

VOTE: Omens

[Ms Marangal]

Pedit: I was, and am still against name-claims but I was tired as fuck so I didn't think much of it, hence my post right after the claim

[Ms Marangal]

I forgot he even existed. He didn't do anything to make me form an opinion one way or another while most everyone else did

[Ms Marangal]

so, I'm scum for not noticing details? lolololol, you're funny. If you look, I'm not the only one who didn't notice, Zhero didn't notice it either. is he supposed to be scum to? actually, from the looks of it, you are really the only person to notice that detail.

[Ms Marangal]

you didn't point it out until after I asked about it Omens

[Ms Marangal]

keep trying scum, you may actually survive this buuuttt I doubt it

[Ms Marangal]

When da faq did you write that? it wasn't there while I was responding to shit, and how does that confirm someone as town? you are the only person to realize that detail initially, which was my point originally.

and what does a sample PM have to do with anything...

OOOHHHHH... nevermind, I get it now...


point stands though, I don't see how me not noticing details makes me scum.

[Ms Marangal]

and again, with that logic, Omens is scum. He was the last person to claim, and he even claimed a pokemon that's a part of team rocket. team rocket pokemon are evil, meaning Victreebel is evil. he really should die

[Ms Marangal]

and how convenient is it that Omens ignore what I stated?

[Ms Marangal]

When da faq did you write that? it wasn't there while I was responding to shit, and how does that confirm someone as town? you are the only person to realize that detail initially, which was my point originally.

and what does a sample PM have to do with anything...

OOOHHHHH... nevermind, I get it now...


point stands though, I don't see how me not noticing details makes me scum.

[Ms Marangal]

It's on this page bro

[Ms Marangal]

People slip up as scum all the time. that statement is is WIFOM

[Ms Marangal]

sure, I don't mind being lynched come tomrrow. If I'm wrong about you, I'm not going to fight my wagon tomorrow

Mr. Mime
Psychic:Cop
Mimic: Ability absorbtion
Reflect: Doc
Safe Guard: Role-block

all one shot

[Ms Marangal]

and I didn't see your statement

your turn

[Ms Marangal]

Mine are all one-shot

[Ms Marangal]

lol, don't back track now Scum, you said you would get lynched today if I agreed

[Ms Marangal]

I won't, If I'm wrong I will gladly accept the lynch

[Ms Marangal]

though... the fact that scum is willingly lynching themselves is odd. Maybe thinking that, by doing that people would think he's less scummy?

[Ms Marangal]

I don't think so TNE, but even if it was, we would win the game regardless with this plan

[Ms Marangal]

WIFOM TNE, it's WIFOM and you're falling for it. he's scum, and he slipped Victreebel. don't let him convince you to keep the vote off him

[Ms Marangal]

Why would SK be scum though? Sho's attacks on him were unwarranted. bussing a partner like that is incredibly stupid and I don't think sho's is stupid, but Zhero does have a point. we should wait for SK to come on before we end the day

[Ms Marangal]

the only people lynching me at this point is me and him jason

[Ms Marangal]

why Mimic? it's useless at this point, since we aren't likely to have a N3. Mimic allows me to absorb the move of my target and use it the next night. I would much rather use my one-shot Doc

[Ms Marangal]

I'm pretty damn certain that Omens is scum, but I guess I see your point. what if SK is town though and he too has some pretty amazing moves?

[Ms Marangal]

why? he might actually be town... Give him a chance to contribute first

[Ms Marangal]

oh XD that's totally my fault, I admit it

[Ms Marangal]

hai, pokemon claim Bacde?

[Ms Marangal]

lolol TNE.

[Ms Marangal]

Is it really necessary for Bacde to claim his moveset though? to me it sounds like you are trying to make it so you know what town has...

[Ms Marangal]

yes, I am sure Zhero is town...

[Ms Marangal]

why would I lie about my cop result?

[Ms Marangal]

I guess... Is it necessary for you to say it though?

[Ms Marangal]

LOLOL

[Ms Marangal]

I wouldn't mind that, it sounds like a plan Jason.

[Ms Marangal]

thing is... you could easily be saying that, do a no kill tomorrow, and glide through with the win TNE... that is if you are scum.

[Ms Marangal]

the only two people that I fully trust though is Jason and Zhero. everyone else is a wild card

[Ms Marangal]

wait... are we vigging me, or are we vigging swords?

[Ms Marangal]

I don't have another Cop... I used it last night, I already stated that all my moves are one-shot

[Ms Marangal]

as I already stated, I'm down with that. I'm certain that Swords is the last scum, so if I need to die to get him lynched then so be it

[Ms Marangal]

Let's push Omens to lynch then? by my count, we only need two more people to vote him...

[Ms Marangal]

Push omens to lynch, Day vig me, and do the actions as stated... we should win

[Ms Marangal]

IDK either one works I guess, I'm going to turn up town anyway

[Ms Marangal]

Mmm... You brought up a good point... I say we wait for clarification from the mod?

[Ms Marangal]

I'm not exactly comfortable with letting Omens off the hook today, I want to see him dead

[Ms Marangal]

if I die, you die. I don't want to waste a life of a townie just so that scum can live on.


Pedit: Maybe? guess that could work... Bacde?

[Ms Marangal]

if I die, you die. I don't want to waste a life of a townie just so that scum can live on.


Pedit: Maybe? guess that could work... Bacde?

[Ms Marangal]

I'm totally fine with that... doesn't matter much to me, we aren't going to have a tomorrow anyway...

[Ms Marangal]

yeh, sure.....


on another note, looks like i might have been wrong about you MsM...
no hard feelings?

I took your attacks on me very personally

but nah, I still think that you're scum and your pissed that your plan backfired... in the event that I'm wrong though, I would gladly get Bacde lynched tomorrow

[Ms Marangal]

yes, I'm joking there

[Ms Marangal]

Swords, you were a pain in the ass to go against D2, you fought extremely well. now you know why I could have comfortably said I wouldn't have fought the lynch D3

[Ms Marangal]

oh, BTW powers anyone?

I was Wheezing with

Sludge - Two-shot Roleblock
You will stop your target's night action.

Smoke Screen - One-shot Doctor
You will stop anyone in your team, including yourself, from being night killed.

Smog - One-shot Poison
Your target will die two nights after use unless doctor protected.

Mimic - One-shot Ability Thief
You will steal the move your target uses and be able to use it the next night only.

[Ms Marangal]

OMFG YOU HAVE THAT ABILITY THIEF MOVE TO!!! I now know why you asked TNE about having the move...

town was pretty powerful, if it was just two of us, we wouldn't have stood a chance.

I'm wondering if Zhero died though, I poisoned him N1, which is why I had no qualms with stating that he was town. I was certain that he was going to be dead N2

[Ms Marangal]

I had assumed it was doctor protected the night I had used it, and that the following night didn't matter. I'm guessing TNE protected Zhero if that's the case though...

IDK Town was OP'd and Scum was kinda OP'd in the sense of amount of players, but our moves weren't as amazing as the ones you guys had. our only amazing move was Sho's Daykill, and redirect, and my poison. Sho wasn't to incredibly powerful (we had permission to C/P our moves into our CP)

speaking of... http://www.quicktopic.com/50/H/NVB3fbtuvWZ

[Ms Marangal]

you also thought I was town TNE

and I was trying to PREVENT Bacde and Screw from being lynched. I could have safely done it because no one thought there was 2 scum remaining.

[Ms Marangal]

Daykill had to be used in the thread though, we couldn't do it secretly like how you did with your day-lie detector. Chk thought it didn't make that much of a difference in the game... blame him >.>

[Ms Marangal]

yeah... Sho's said that as well I believe. before he was lynched anyway.

[Ms Marangal]

I mean, we were OP, but town was probably far more I think. I mean, there's the fact that the Inno. child is so damn dangerous, especially in a small game because a conf. town means everything. Omens had two shots of everything, town had two doc's ( I believe) and a lie detector. I'm also betting we had a few town flavor-cops or role-cops which could be used against us effectively during the mass-claim

we had two, two shot RB's? I only saw one... I had two shots of RB, one of us had two shots or RC and the other had two shots of Flavor cop.

[Ms Marangal]

I enjoyed it too. More so because you and Raven were the only ones to voice your opinions against me. no one believed you when you said I was scum XD

I love that you were victreebel though, it just gave me that extra push on you :3

you were by far my favoritest person in the game Omens

[Ms Marangal]

lol Sho's, I already linked the QT

[Ms Marangal]

wait... so it really was a "random cop"?

[Ms Marangal]

THAT MAKES SO MUCH SENSE!!!

the kill is factional, so it isn't stopped, what you did stop though was my poisoning Zhero

[Ms Marangal]

and I was so obviously scum, yet you didn't attack me during the first day?

[Ms Marangal]

oh, when I voted Sho my scum buddy? XD

speaking of, the first thing that went through my mind when Jason asked us to do what he did was "JASON IS A LIE DETECTOR!!!!"

[Ms Marangal]

and thanks, I was so looking forward to having a scum game on site. I love playing the scum-role

[Ms Marangal]

thanks Maestro. I'm putting it down to mindset. I did think about my alignment or my role during the entire argument. I had actually convinced myself that Omens was actually scum, lol