Mini 1433 - State Farm Mafia - Game over

[Bacde]

Vote: Xegarus

[Bacde]

What the scum is bus'ing already? Lemme help.

VOTE: Xegarus

-DGB

might as well bus my whole team

Vote: Zoidberg

[Bacde]

I can sheep this

Vote: BrightEyedFish

[Bacde]

I'm confused as to what exactly just happened

just hop on the bandwagon

I'm pretty sure brighteyedfish is confirmed scum at this point

[Bacde]

^^If I wasn't already happy with my vote right now I'd hop on

Brighteyedfish and Xeg for scum

who's the third?

[Bacde]

Hiraki is throwing me off

his reads are all way different than mine plus he has me in his potential lynch pool

I'm not convinced that Bright-Eyed Fish is the way to go, he looks really derp

I'ma just

Vote: Revenus

since it seems like no one else has noticed this scum

[Bacde]

case in point

[Bacde]

Pro-Tips

1) find the mafia
2) don't get lynched

you have to make

proactive moves

and use your

vote

to get players to react in alignment-indicative manners

once you get good reactions from players, their alignments begin to become more clear

[Bacde]

@Bacde

I'ma just Vote: Revenus since it seems like no one else has noticed this scum

What do you mean?

No one else has voted for Rev

usually Rev finds it very important to be scumhunting and out in the open

this is the first time I've seen him explicitly hiding

[Bacde]

Town

Bacde
Zoidberg
absta101
kashoodles
SafetyDance

Meh

Marangal
Hiraki
BrightEyedFish

Scum

Revenus
Lurker
Xegarus

2 names not included on this list are lurkers

[Bacde]

Hiraki is throwing me off

his reads are all way different than mine plus he has me in his potential lynch pool

so basically you don't like me because i think you require death

ok

didn't you put me down as a "last resort" lynch?

that's something different than saying that I "require death"

I'm just saying your reads are all different than mine

For instance, absta's posts have been pretty town yet you think his posts are bad

this is a weird response

[Bacde]

@Hiraki -- so basically my meta on Rev is bad because its meta, and you have a counter-meta point on Rev being town. My meta case is bad because its p3 but you have a better meta case that is also p3 (at best)

I don't really know what you are trying to say about BEF. I'm used to every game having

that player

and I got off the BEF wagon as soon as I realized how lazy it was

Also, there

is

a reason to note when I'm in your lynch pool, since what you post is a part of the game for me to make comments on

I'm used to other townies having different reads than me, but I'm not used to over-reactions to me just making it explicit.

Vote: Hiraki

Rev I'll come for you later

[Bacde]

I thought I had tagged more things to quote... hmm. Re-read through the pages.

@Bacde

^^If I wasn't already happy with my vote right now I'd hop on

Brighteyedfish and Xeg for scum

who's the third?

Can you explain this? At this point, you sheeped BrightEyedFish from Zoidberg, which is fine, we were in RVS-ish stage, but then you say this. Literally all BrightEyedFish said at that point was "Nice list... How'd you come up with it?"

It takes about 10 seconds of original thought to realize that Zoidberg made a list with all of the players who had posted as "Town" (except Ms Marangal who was "iffy" for voting Zoidberg) and everyone else as scum

since BEF didn't realize this, I figured he was scum for not being fully mentally present in the game. Scum are in a different headspace than town and often aren't able to replicate the analytic thought process town have

now he just seems derp

I'm confused also as to why you're voting Rev, especially because his confusion is similar to mine about the comment quoted. You seem semi-serious yet semi-trolling (or just semi-trying to copy Zoidberg?).

Its gut based on the way Rev has been playing this game

But I think Hiraki is more likely to be scum than Rev, #75 was too bad

you should vote for Hiraki

[Bacde]

so basically my meta on Rev is bad because its meta, and you have a counter-meta point on Rev being town.

Because one is trying to kill the person and one is trying to keep the person alive. If you're going to make a case to kill someone, you better have some good evidence on your back. If you're going to call someone town, there should be some reason but definitely not as concrete as full-fledged scumread. Just because you're addressing two extremes doesn't mean that the two extremes are equal in stance.

Hiraki, here's the thing: Mafia is a game all about killing people

There isn't some requirement out there that I need more or less evidence to want to lynch someone than to say that they are town

...whats your case on BEF, by the way? (oh wait you don't even have one)

I'm used to every game having that player and I got off the BEF wagon as soon as I realized how lazy it was

And you don't think he took advantage of that?

Have you even looked into BEF's meta? He only has like 5 pages. There's no way this dude is "taking advantage" of my read on him. He might be getting lucky, but to be frank I don't see him being good enough of a player to manipulate how I perceive events.

Also, there is a reason to note when I'm in your lynch pool, since what you post is a part of the game for me to make comments on

While I had no reasoning. That's basically an RVS reaction--just not in RVS. Your reaction after it is a vote, basically. I'm going to make my move.

If we don't find consensus on BEF, then I'm going after Bacde.

So if you made a statement with little reasoning, then you should have been looking for a reaction. But when I reacted, you then stated that I had no reason to respond to your post. Dude, you as much reason to respond to my "Hiraki is throwing me off" post as I had to respond to your first content post of the game! Reactions to posts are good--which is why I try to comment on as many things that stand out to me as possible

I don't even understand why you are still on the BEF wagon, you seem much more interested in me (oh wait, you are scum aren't you)

[Bacde]

Nothing particular. Don't know how you would react as town or scum so thought it would be educational to see any reaction.

You are so scum.

How so?

Mind if i ask a newbie question?
In a game with 13 players, how many scum would you expect?

3 is the norm

why is it so important for you to pretend to be newbie-town?

[Bacde]

^^town

[Bacde]

Vote: Xegarus

alright guys lets do this

[Bacde]

before absta*

Xeg hasn't looked good all game

it started at the beginning of the game when he was looking for reasons to

NOT

vote absta rather than reasons

to

vote for absta (which is meh by itself but)

but he continually chirps phrases that are forced and fake

and then follows up with a bad absta vote (who I've been reading as town)

so of course if people are down to vote for Xeg I'll hop on

[Bacde]

^^town

This was before full blown Keyblade, but you seem to ignore all of his interactions with people and jump right on the Xeg lynch. Why are you ignoring a big part of town discussion yet selecting to jump on Xeg's lynch?

I'm not ignoring a big part of town discussion

I think IFM is town and I don't understand the BW on him (actually I do, its a lazy BW)

I don't know what to make of Keyblade--but gun to my head I'd say town since toes-stepping is a towntell

[Bacde]

Vote: Xegarus

alright guys lets do this

What the fuck is this shit?

its a vote

it started at the beginning of the game when he was looking for reasons to NOT vote absta rather than reasons to vote for absta (which is meh by itself but)

but he continually chirps phrases that are forced and fake

Care to gives examples for each of these?

I'd love to

Great! Caught one.

VOTE: BrightEyedFish

-DGB

He was already in your scum pile though.

And thats a reason not to vote him?
I think i'm happy with my vote atm.

here's you looking for reasons to not vote someone rather than vote them

I remembered this as being specific to absta and not BEF, so my memory is a bit failing but the tell is still accurate

Here are some particularly fake posts of yours (bold is mine for emphasis):

Was anything we said scummy or just something you disliked/found odd?

Disliked and found odd.

I don't see why you "liked" your vote on me if what I did wasn't scummy.

My vote was originally RVS, i liked where it was later to apply pressure because of the odd thing you said.

Do you care for my answer to this question? You haven't pushed it or mentioned that I still haven't answered it.

It was a rhetorical question.

What were you expecting scum-absta would do in response to your pressure vote?

Nothing particular.

Don't know how you would react as town or scum so thought it would be educational to see any reaction.

Nothing particular. Don't know how you would react as town or scum so thought it would be educational to see any reaction.

You are so scum.

How so?

Mind if i ask a newbie question?

In a game with 13 players, how many scum would you expect?

and then follows up with a bad absta vote (who I've been reading as town)

So you're buying his crappy wagon jumping?
You're buying his evidentless reason for voting?
Fine,

buddy your scum partner. When i flip town

, the two of you'll be in the firing line.

all of this, plus post 207 has a particularly heinous scumtell right at the very beginning

[Bacde]

Vote: Xegarus

for good measure

[Bacde]

all of this, plus post 207 has a particularly heinous scumtell right at the very beginning

I'm with you on Xeg being scummy, but I looked for where this heinous scumtell was and couldn't really find anything in that post that jumped out...care to elaborate?

its his reaction to getting votes

Ztife did the same thing in playing with fire

[Bacde]

xeg xeg xeg he's our man

lynch lynch lynch cuz thats our plan

[Bacde]

@Rev, are you purposely playing to a different style than your usual meta?

Also, why aren't you voting for Xeg?

[Bacde]

herp derp

[Bacde]

I still think keyblade is scum.

Let's examine your case on keyblade for a bit:

Side note: I really don't like how in #41 Safety doesn't vote me, notices my behavior, then votes for me WITH THE EXACT SAME REASONING. I don't know why he waited, but it is nothing in and of itself.

Keyblade is acting pretty badly.

He gets into a breif flame war as soon as he is in the game, Talks about ongoing games, Continues this until page 5, where he votes for someone with a replacement, Then IMMEDIATLEY backslides and wails "why are you lynching meeee", and then tries to get Safety onto another wagon, following by saying there is no reasoning for his wagon, even though he stated "You're overreacting", which at this stage of the game is more then sufficient to warrant a vote.

VOTE: Keybladeweilder

Just outlining what he's done is not evidence of anything. What is the scum motivation behind doing the things he's done? Why is getting into a brief flame war scummy? Why is talking about ongoing games scummy? Why is whatever else scummy?

You have to demonstrate that keyblade is coming from a scum mindset.

This looks like a well thought out response except for one thing:

I NEVER SAID

#1 That he was scum in this post.
#2 That I thought these things were scummy.

You are trying to figure out information that I don't have.

Rephrase the question or you get no answer from me.

I said that he was acting "Pretty Badly"

uh,

doesn't your vote of KBW imply both #1 and #2?

Why did you vote for someone that you didn't think was scummy?

[Bacde]

I still think keyblade is scum.

Let's examine your case on keyblade for a bit:

Side note: I really don't like how in #41 Safety doesn't vote me, notices my behavior, then votes for me WITH THE EXACT SAME REASONING. I don't know why he waited, but it is nothing in and of itself.

Keyblade is acting pretty badly.

He gets into a breif flame war as soon as he is in the game, Talks about ongoing games, Continues this until page 5, where he votes for someone with a replacement, Then IMMEDIATLEY backslides and wails "why are you lynching meeee", and then tries to get Safety onto another wagon, following by saying there is no reasoning for his wagon, even though he stated "You're overreacting", which at this stage of the game is more then sufficient to warrant a vote.

VOTE: Keybladeweilder

Just outlining what he's done is not evidence of anything. What is the scum motivation behind doing the things he's done? Why is getting into a brief flame war scummy? Why is talking about ongoing games scummy? Why is whatever else scummy?

You have to demonstrate that keyblade is coming from a scum mindset.

This looks like a well thought out response except for one thing:

I NEVER SAID

#1 That he was scum in this post.
#2 That I thought these things were scummy.

You are trying to figure out information that I don't have.

Rephrase the question or you get no answer from me.

I said that he was acting "Pretty Badly"

@ Kashooldes (Regarding #285, trying to avoid walls o quotes since i don't know how to do the spoiler thingy.)

Q1. Why I voted for Keyblade: The wagon I would say offically became official at post #121 (SafetyDance's vote), followed by IFM and me jumping on the wagon. Now, before this, I was voting BrightEyedFish, who then replaced out. When that slot got replaced by IFM, IFM's first post just screams TOWN TOWN TOWN to me.

He takes a really nice approach to replacing into a slot under scrutiny, and accepts the behavior of his last slot instead of getting a scapegoat for all the votes.

Whe KBW Reacted @ post #122, I saw one of the first tells I was taught in (Some open masons and mafia game, I can't find it right now): Overreacting is a scumtell.

This I found sufficient for a vote.

@Comment #2. I find what you found scummy of that post is not that I am lurking and not giving content, It's that I was backtracking and trying to change what I meant in order to change your read on me. As you said, it is more then just lurkiness, and lurkiness alone is not a sufficient reason IMO to lynch me.


I'll think about more things to comment on when I come back. Hopefully I will actually do it.

Vote: Lurker

@Kashoodles What about lurker's last post made you unvote?

[Bacde]

Oh God, I just got to the part where KBW outer the Neighbourhood. On that topic, are people still undecided on his alignment, by the way? I've seen arguments that supports him being Scum, and I've seen arguments that supports him being Town. Personally, I feel that he was frustrated Town who didn't know how to handle pressure at all, and decided to out the Neighbourhood out of pure frustration.

Completely unrelated to this, I don't like Bacde's quasi-OMGUS attack on Hiarki that lasted throughout pages 3-4. In fact, Hiarki only had Bacde in his lynchpool as a last resort, yet Bacde thought that Hiarki said that Bacde required death. To me, it seems like Bacde is afraid of being lynched. Bacde, are you Scum?

Hi Yoshi

and no

[Bacde]

Lets get Lurker

I seriously doubt that both Lurker/KBW are scum

And KBW isn't acting like scum

But Lurker is

[Bacde]

@Doctor

- I'm not voting Keyblade.

Regarding Xeg:

- His last post in this game was #207 on March 20th.
- He then posted 5 times the next day (March 21st) in a different game from around 6 am - 8 pm (my time).
- He V/LA'd here and elsewhere on the 23rd.

He could've posted here on the 21st as he was quite active on that day. It's not vote worthy by itself though imo.
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@Bacde

- What do you think of Xeg/Kash?

Xeg looked bad but Zdenek actually looks pretty good on replace-in

I've replaced into scummy-looking slots before that were town, and Zdenek makes me think thats what going on

Kash's first post was really town, but recently her play has been weird imo. I don't understand why she unvoted Lurker for what was a terrible post, and I keep feeling like she is trying to set me up for suspicion or a mislynch or something with her grilling me w/ questions but not voting me

I could see Kash as scum but actually I want to give Zdenek more time

What is your opinion of Lurker?

[Bacde]

Can we get lurker yet?

[Bacde]

Hey AP if you need some direction go ahead and vote for Lurker

pedit: You too Hiraki

[Bacde]

I'ma just Vote: Revenus since it seems like no one else has noticed this scum

I thought Rev looked null-townish at this point. Was this a serious vote?

yes

[Bacde]

lol hi AP

pedit--I dont think absta or Zd are good lynches for today

[Bacde]

Lurker

Awkward

I could probably be convinced to go back on Hiraki though

I get that you wanna be friendly and stuff but I'm kinda butthurt about that last game so I'ma need some warming up

What about Lurker seems town to you?

[Bacde]

just looked at 363

I don't think agreeing with your top townreads is a towntell tbh

[Bacde]

tbh I haven't really been concentrating on Yoshi

but right now he's voting Lurker so he's cool

[Bacde]

What makes Yoshi scum?

[Bacde]

^^ehh this feels like town AP

[Bacde]

^^ehh this feels like town AP

He's literally not aggressive at all. What do you mean?

I'm just not getting that gut sense that AP is mafia

in the one game I've played with AP-scum, I got that gut sense. And I didn't listen to it. And I lost

[Bacde]

Actually I might be willing to lynch Rev

plz call me Bacde the last guy to call me "ketchup" was scum

[Bacde]

I just looked back at p13 and I still want to get Lurker

[Bacde]

Absta is not a good lynch

Yoshi just gained scumpoints

Vote: RandomYoshi

@AP - How often do scum cross attempt to lead BWs on each other?

Also, I'm down to get Yoshi now

@Yoshi, what is bad about having a small group of strong scumreads?

[Bacde]

Urg, I'll try to keep an open mind wrt Lurker, but his post where he calmly explained why he did everything he did read really genuine to me.

I can keep this in mind

but you gotta do the same about absta

im serious here

[Bacde]

Bacde stop avoiding the Zed waggon. Forget Rev and Lurker and just vote Zed, it's that simple.

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@Rev - I want to keep them alive so we don't waste our Zed lynch on them.

Kash is gut. I've said it before.

If you haven't noticed, I'm avoiding your wagon as well

I don't feel like you read Zd's posts

[Bacde]

^^lol you just wanted to link me to your scum victory didn't you

[Bacde]

actually after #446 I'm really unsure

I still gut think you are town

lemme ISO you

[Bacde]

Do you care for my answer to this question? You haven't pushed it or mentioned that I still haven't answered it.

It was a rhetorical question.

What were you expecting scum-absta would do in response to your pressure vote?

this post just screams town-absta to me

[Bacde]

WTF? you have to Unvote first. Why am I scummy here?

Give me 2 reasons.

You're over reacting.
VOTE: KeyBlade


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I agree that Fish replacing out makes him look like newb scum caving under pressure.
I support his waggon.

Gut scum read on Xeg atm.

@absta, why is Xeg necessarily a scum-replace out,

but Fish is a town-replace out

and also KBW is a town-replace out?

[Bacde]

I think Safety is town

your second question was loaded which is why I didn't like post #446

[Bacde]

not really, his vote was way less opportunistic and had better reasoning

[Bacde]

not really, his vote was way less opportunistic and had better reasoning

I hope you're scum.

You are, aren't you?

yep, you caught me

[Bacde]

^^What posts are those from in Kashoodles?

How long are those posts spaced apart?

[Bacde]

not really, his vote was way less opportunistic and had better reasoning

I hope you're scum.

You are, aren't you?

oh I get it, you think safety is scum

[Bacde]

not really, his vote was way less opportunistic and had better reasoning

I hope you're scum.

You are, aren't you?

yep, you caught me

Spoiler alert Breaking Bad:

HEY THATS A WAY DIFFERENT SITUATION WALTER WHITE SAID YOU "GOT" ME I SAID YOU "CAUGHT" ME

also I'm town

If you had to narrow down your suspects to just 3 people instead of 5, who would they be?

[Bacde]

@absta, can you answer #473 as well as the question above?

[Bacde]

@absta, can you answer #473 as well as the question above?

When I get back.

As for your other question.
Zed
You or Safety
Kash

I can see either you or Kash working with Zed.

ugh

this is so bad I'm tempted to hop on the bw

[Bacde]

I'm super happy about this RY wagon

@RY, I frequently push lynches without exploring them further

for example, more votes on RY go gog o

[Bacde]

^^Are you even reading anymore?

[Bacde]

honestly, fuckit

I'm ok with lynching either absta or RY now

although I feel like my reasoning for RY is less biased

[Bacde]

^^Can you explain your gut read on Revenus?

[Bacde]

lets lynch RY

@absta replace out plz

[Bacde]

@Bacde - You're voting me, why do the hell would YOU want me to replace out?
I'm right about you being scum aren't I? Just admit it ffs.

I want you to replace out because you're wrong and adamant about it too

I'm not voting you dude which you could have seen

on this page

you clearly haven't read anything so

[Bacde]

Get RY

I think Lurker is a good lynch, but not as good a lynch as RY

RachMarie could be scum but I'm not seeing her getting lynched today

pedit- throw Hiraki into people I'm willing to vote

[Bacde]

@Bacde - Haha, sorry about that. Let's just lynch Lurker for now and we can discuss everything else tomorrow. Okay?

Vote: Lurker

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@Kash - I wonder why. This'll be good.

glad to see you back on board

I'd rather get RandomYoshi tbh

[Bacde]

Im mega tempted to sheep Hirakis RY townread.

UNVOTE: absta101
VOTE: AP

Why did #604 make you vote for AP?

[Bacde]

I'm sad that I wasn't a part of the lurker wagon tbh

[Bacde]

lol what are you going on about absta

tbh I don't really have faith in your reads since you are still talking to me like I'm mafia for some reason

[Bacde]

VOTE: Absta

So what were you up to last night?

now this is a hint

Vote: absta

[Bacde]

i kinda do want to lynch him

[Bacde]

I figured you were either reaction testing or had a track guilty, so I made the lynch comment to turn the heat up

I don't understand why everyone thinks its so preposterous for a neighbor role to have a night action; in the only game I've ever seen a neighbor role both neighbors had night actions (one was a cop and one was a mafia)

I was thinking during the night that I was probably wrong about absta

its weird to me that you are suddenly paranoid of me being mafia

[Bacde]

@ Bacde

Was that game a regular mini normal game, or like a theme or micro or so on game that might have unusual roles?

Every time I have seen neighborizer they just were able to pick someone to neighbor with. Even in the bizarre Upick game I finished recently, the neighborizer was just.

that was a regular mini normal game, and it wasn't a neighborizor role it was two neighbors from the start

AP was in that game so its weird to me that he is pushing the idea that a neighbor would never have a night action

[Bacde]

Here is the game for reference http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=23922

note that one of the neighbors was a cop, and the other was a mafia

[Bacde]

I do not support a Bacde lynch and I'm kinda bothered that you replace into my game and now want to lynch me

[Bacde]

I'm going to read a bit more and maybe post my summary tonight. Really leaning Bacde; paranoia, etc but his "I'll trust you a little bit, but Im still suspicious of you because I lost to you recently" feels fake even if he was joking (was he, I couldn't tell, lol). I don't like him trying to buy townpoints for the lurker wagon. I also don't like him just buying that I had a guilty. If absta is maf, hes pretty damn unlikely to be making the scumkill since a lot of people want his head - hes track/jk/rb bait. Anyways, unless Bacde thinks I actually saw him go somewhere and didn't just claim outright for some reason (?) then I don't know what he thinks I'm up to, lol. Pretty unlikely that scum-absta fake claims VT as an RB or RC or whateva.

Here is your post where you explained your suspicion of me

tbh your reasoning here feels as weak as your reasoning for me being maf in 1402 (I was town that game too)

your reasoning involves "feels fake" basically and is wrong. In case you hadn't noticed, I had been warming up to you and even started considering your reads and comparing them to my own. Basically I got over my butthurt and yes I townread you yesterday

If you didn't want me to buy that you had a guilty, why would you pretend like you had a guilty? If you didn't want to pressure absta, why did you act in a manner indicative of being a reaction test?

Unvote

because I'ma have to look at some stuff tonight

[Bacde]

^^I don't see why I need to vote Zed to preserve myself

why not sell Zed-scum to me if you want me to vote Zed?

[Bacde]

Were you just trolling about Rev being town?

i dunno why but this post feels like a cookies caught in the cookie jar type post

[Bacde]

Wow

town read on SD out the shitter

BP claim is legit

[Bacde]

^^I meant hands lol

Why did you make a sad face? Why were you sad about thinking that Dr Z MD was trolling about thinking Rev was town?

[Bacde]

^^That's actually really convincing

the only thing thats holding me back right now is RY though, I was happy about the wagon on him yesterday and I feel like he's getting off the hook by site-flaking

we have a lot of time so I don't see a motivation to rush this

[Bacde]

I feel like SD would actually try to get you modkilled for that

[Bacde]

Dear Dr. Zoidberg. The rest of the town may be content to let you pretend to be too carefree to back your bullshit up, but Im pretty sure you are scum. You were a universal townread

So? Scum aren't obligated to kill people who are seen as very-towny. Maybe they tried to pick off a suspected PR. Maybe they no-killed on purpose. There are lots of equally plausible explanations and your reasoning is specious.

and came out of last night alive when I was most certain you would die.

Cool. I'm not sure why scum

(or we, for that matter) should give a rat's ass about your expectations for the night phase.

Also your reasons for flip-floppng on Revenus look like scum posts.

In what specific ways do they look like scum posts?

this is a good post esp. for the bolded

I'm not seeing Dr Z scum

[Bacde]

Actually it is

its worded in an aggravating manner for one

But using your expectations of the NK as evidence is weak

[Bacde]

Also also I will admit Im making some assumptions here and you aren't really lynchable right now, so I'd rather lynch someone else {ZD/Rev/SD} and see what happens tonight.

HAVE YOU SEEN THIS PLAYER?

He's an excitable little fellow, about yay-high, rather wheaty looking in complexion and an excitable chap. Loves lunchtimes.

ok this shit is hilarious

I don't think I wanna lynch SD

AP vs. Dr. Z was literally an argument of semantics

I wanna know whats going on w/ RY's slot

@Mod Requesting a replacement for RandomYoshi

[Bacde]

@Maj - Greetings. Don't sheep Hiraki please.

Why? He looks town, and he's a fairly competent player.

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That was a shitty hammer fyi.

Meh, I'm not upset w/ that hammer and it was better than the alternative (SD)

[Bacde]

hey guys,

I'm town. Not feeling the suspicion towards me.

I'm also not feeling the suspicion on SD. This is for a couple reasons:

1) He was the blatant counterwagon to Zde
2) He asked for Zde to be modkilled (he

also

asked for AP to be modkilled)
3) He made a really townie post in particular about RandomYoshi

As of yesterday, I'm also a Hiraki fan, just solidly better

Here's what I've got so far

Town Pool

Bacde
Absta
AP
DR ZOID
SD
Hiraki

Scum be here

Revenus
Majiffy
Kashoodles
IFM

I think the Majiffy slot in particular has fallen to the wayside, deserves more scrutiny, and is likely scum. I don't like how he came out the gate voting for SD.

Vote: Majiffy

[Bacde]

Ok, seriously lets get Majiffy

@Kashoodles what questions?

[Bacde]

Honestly, no

I think SD is town

[Bacde]

ok

[Bacde]

I don't, btw

[Bacde]

Woah woah woah

someone unvote me NOW

absta is not a cop, and I have proof beyond just "I'm town so absta can't be a cop"

before I grab it just know that

1) I am not a miller, if I was I would have claimed in my first post
2) absta is not a cop. I'm 100% on this

@absta why are you doing this?

[Bacde]

VT

1. I'm VT, so nothing.

2. AP is a "neighbour guy", he wouldn't have seen any actions.

3. Either lynch Zed or me and be done with it. I will say I told you so in the end.

[Bacde]

^^No cop worth their salt would have claimed VT at that juncture, it would have too many possible horrible consequences

[Bacde]

I honestly think he was trying to get me lynched, he's only been saying that since d1

Do you think its likely that he would have claimed VT right then if he was a cop?

[Bacde]

^^No cop worth their salt would have claimed VT at that juncture, it would have too many possible horrible consequences

:skeptical:

You mean other than the nightkill avoidance benefits, yeah?

read the context of the quote

AP softed a track-guilty on absta. absta responded by claiming VT

[Bacde]

Does this look like the post of someone who has an innocent on SD:

@Maj - Vote Kash or Bacde and i'll protect you. I really can't be bothered to build a case on Bacde. He's mainly gut.
SD can die if Bacde or Kash aren't scum. These two seem to fit best with Zed.

@Kash - You should've just self voted or something.

Y/N?

@HD absta is confirmed town

but he's not the cop

he's been tunneling me since d1 and this is a part of it

[Bacde]

^^And people think this slot is town?

pedit: this was @HD

[Bacde]

lol

I can see that you haven't read the thread yet

[Bacde]

Bacde is last-minute flailing? Why didn't he bring up that absta stuff before?

I thought absta was soft-claming a cop-result before, then he backed off, but Bacde hasn't brought it up until now.

It's exactly to avoid that kind of second-guessing that I hammered Zdenek.

-DGB

I haven't brought up what til now?

[Bacde]

Zoid is town, I'm town, everybody's town cept Bacde and Kash.

AP is borderline crazy.
VOTE: Bacde

If this takes too long i'm gonna claim guilty on Bacde. That would make this too easy though.

@DGB I didn't think this was a serious claim. That's why I didn't care to respond to it

I assume this is the post you were referring to

[Bacde]

^^thats retarded

[Bacde]

why would you say that to someone that you've hider-cleared as town?

[Bacde]

because hes obv not cop

if you lynch him tomorrow...

[Bacde]

^^Yes! Keep thinking thoughts (@AP)

[Bacde]

He doesn't have a guilty and its pretty clear

why are you pushing this so hard

[Bacde]

Well whatever, scum is in

DGB/HD(Majiffy)/P_M/IFM/BBMolla

[Bacde]

No I mean both scum, don't toy with me

If you think its "ok" to just follow a confirmed town's gut why didn't you do it at the beginning of the day

your play makes less and less sense to me

[Bacde]

If you think its "ok" to just follow a confirmed town's gut why didn't you do it at the beginning of the day

I did follow it when it looked like a cop claim, then he did a bait-and-switch

But he's confirmed town

And there's only one NK if the scum is lucky.

We have to do it. Any other course of action is going to be a clusterfuck waste of time.

-DGB

This isn't addressing the point I was making.

You said that its ok to follow a confirmed town's gut

Yet you spoke about the beginning of the game where apparently you thought he was softing a cop claim

[Bacde]

tbh this game is pretty fucking chaotic if people are fake claiming cop

[Bacde]

tbh this game is pretty fucking chaotic if people are fake claiming cop

I'm pretty sure that's not the case

But you know how to push AngryPidgeon's buttons

You're pulling his heartstrings like a puppet.

-DGB

wow this post is a piece

[Bacde]

Yet you spoke about the beginning of the game where apparently you thought he was softing a cop claim

No beginning of the day.

-DGB

err thats what I meant

[Bacde]

HEY HD

ABSTA ISNT A COP WHICH HE WILL CONFIRM WHEN HE GETS BACK

(of course he will still push on me though)

[Bacde]

I rly wnt to linch zerdburg

HEY

AP

BACK TO FUCKING REALITY PLEASE

BACDE IS MAKING SCUMMY ARGUMENTS TO STALL HIS LYNCH FROM A COP GUILTY FROM A CONFIRMED TOWN

WHY IS THIS SO FUCKING DIFFICULT TO COMPREHEND

I know you didn't read the game HD but Pidgeon has been pushing for Bacde's lynch all day... until the guilty from his own innocent. I'm too lazy to check, but I even think AP started to vote me because I had a town read on Bacde.

I swear to god.

-DGB

Actually AP has been pretty all over the place

you are trying to make AP feel stupid

[Bacde]

Holy shit I actually want to say DR ZOID/HD for scum right now

it can't be this obvious can it

[Bacde]

HEY HD

ABSTA ISNT A COP WHICH HE WILL CONFIRM WHEN HE GETS BACK

(of course he will still push on me though)

Is this a godfather claim?

So you have a case other than absta's guilty?

cuz if you do I'd like to fucking see it

right now you just seem opportunistic as fuck

[Bacde]

Actually AP has been pretty all over the place

you are trying to make AP feel stupid

You're smooth. The carrot rather than the stick.

I hope we can be scumpals one day.

-DGB

lol and now every one of my posts has scum motivation apparently

p sure you are scum a la Mastin in playing with fire

[Bacde]

So you have a case other than absta's guilty?

No! I had a town-boner on you and it took a cop-claim to bring the swelling down.

-DGB

I had a town boner on you too but you are fucking that up with your not listening or even waiting for absta to come back and admit he's being an idiot

I don't understand why you were making the argument now that its ok to follow a confirmed town's gut (which is all this really is)

[Bacde]

Required reading.

This is how scum flail when a cop claims a guilty on them.

This is exactly what Bacde is doing right now.

hey HD

in that game were you tunneling on Nacho since d1?

because if not, then that is obviously a very different situation

absta has been tunnelling me since d1 and its p clear that this is a part of that

[Bacde]

since late day 1

yes actually

did you claim VT when someone softed a track-guilty on you?

I mean I can go on all day about how this situation is different

[Bacde]

^^Someone in those last 4 posts is scum 100% (not inc. AP)

maybe both

there was definitely acting there

[Bacde]

HD, I love you sometimes

but not at all right now

I'm just gonna wait for absta

also at least one of HD/DR Z is scum for sure

[Bacde]

HD, I love you sometimes

but not at all right now

I'm just gonna wait for absta

also at least one of HD/DR Z is scum for sure

I'm going to repeat my question. Where's the drive behind the attack? I'm really not seeing it.

absta wants me lynched

thats the end of the story

if you want to go with the confirmed town's gut, then OK! thats cool!

But I'm not guilty 100%, and absta isn't the cop 100%

absta knows he can do this since he is confirmed town

[Bacde]

The difference is that HD literally just replaced into a clusterfuck.

And I never said that Bacde=scum/HD=town is unlikely, ffs.

I always replace into clusterfucks.

Usually I replace into slots at L-1 though.

lets make a deal

unvote me now, find a second scumspect, and if absta comes back and is like "actually I am cop lets lynch bacde" then lynch me

if absta says "ok guys I admit I'm not cop but seriously lynch bacde" then you have to think about it

deal?

[Bacde]

I'm talking about your attack.

There's no drive behind it.

It's "Well one of HD/Zoid is scum"

but there's no fucking push to back it up

You're saying it without really believing it.

you've never seen me push in mafia before have you

[Bacde]

I'm talking about your attack.

There's no drive behind it.

It's "Well one of HD/Zoid is scum"

but there's no fucking push to back it up

You're saying it without really believing it.

you've never seen me push in mafia before have you

Yes I have

well then I don't know what point you were making

I pick and choose when I push

[Bacde]

[Bacde]

no shit baller I'm waiting on absta

[Bacde]

no shit baller I'm waiting on absta

"Yeah I'mma soft push HD and Zoid and cover up my lack of conviction by claiming to be waiting for absta!"

Totes town motivated.

well I was pushing on your slot before these absta shenanigans

which is how I know you didn't read the thread

and I don't know what I'd ask you since you just replaced in so

[Bacde]

Yo you arent confirmed town anymore how do you feel

At first, rofl, then I realised this situation is completely crazy now. I wouldn't be surprised if I get lynched and we lose.

As for your other question. I've fakeclaimed once before which nearly lost us the game (like AP here) but also made us win. It was a newbie game.

fuck you absta

seriously

By the way, you just confirmed that you are indeed not a cop

do you really not see that this shit is the exact same as this: http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=24395 where you tunneled me all game

so fuck you for making me have to make the most convoluted argument of my life

and fuck you for actually making me

feel

like scum

The worst part is, I had to AtE just to survive and the only reason it worked is because

I'm actually fucking town

anyway, I know this post is directed at you but

Vote: DR Z

[Bacde]

Why??

Because

One scum down
One NK thwared
SK dead
And it's day 3

A fake cop claim at this juncture... yeah, if absta did that that would definitely push me over the edge and flake off the site forever and I'm really close to that already.

-DGB

dude

if you were tunneling on someone all game

and you thought you were confirmed town

why WOULDNT you claim cop? I'm seriously doubting that you could have possibly watched absta's play and not think that he is faking cop

did you see his "check-in" posts a little while back? if he was cop he would have said "uh yeah guys I'm the cop bacde is full of shit"

but he didn't

also you are completely ignoring that I am

partially track cleared

by Hiraki now (who's claim actually seems legit) yet you tried to discredit Hiraki's claim

I'm like 95% on one of DR Z/HD, and HD is also partially track-cleared and AP made a pretty good argument about HD being town

also I seriously doubt that both neighbor/protectors are town

[Bacde]

partially, I understand that I'm not confirmed

Whats your read on DR Z

[Bacde]

Bacde's smooth talking is all that's needed to get AP slip-sliding again, I just don't have the patience anymore.

-DGB

this seems more smooth than anything I've ever said tbh

[Bacde]

partially, I understand that I'm not confirmed

Whats your read on DR Z

Stop wasting time, just vote me, tell whatisface to vote me, and beam me outta here.

We have a cop guilty, but hey, let's go for a mislynch instead.

If we're going to mislynch, dear god, let it be me.

-DGB

We don't have a cop guilty and its apparent now

If you actually had a "town-boner" for me you would have been able to see that

but you are too blinded by trying to throw in a mislynch and blame absta

[Bacde]

^^if it quacks like a duck

[Bacde]

I effin' begging you to mislynch me if you're too dense to lynch a cop-guilty.

Stop talking about it, stop calling me scum, just vote me and demand that every player vote me too.

I would be in your debt.

-DGB

fuck your AtE

its obvious that absta isn't a cop, HE DIDN'T CONFIRM IT, HE DIDNT CLAIM IT WHEN HE THOUGHT HE WAS TRACKED, HE HAS BEEN TUNNELING ON ME ALL GAME, HE MADE A POST WHERE HE SAID "I'ma just claim cop lol"

ALL of the evidence fits towards absta fake claiming

You said you had a town-boner on me, and if you actually did you would have seen this evidence and been like "oh shit absta is lying"

ergo you are scum

yes we will lynch you today

[Bacde]

You realize that I'm voting you right?

Where's your real argument?

[Bacde]

Good then.

Stop arguing with me and convince the others. It should be easy with this bunch.

-DGB

fuck your AtE

stop acting like the victim when I'm the one at L-1 from a fucking fake cop

[Bacde]

@HD unvote me if the only reason you are voting me is because of the "guilty"

absta isn't even confirmed town anymore, and he's definitely not cop

[Bacde]

absta just admit that you aren't cop ffs

what are you doing

[Bacde]

WHY WOULD I STFU WHEN YOU ARE FAKECLAIMING

[Bacde]

absta Zoidberg is here saying to lynch if if you are wrong (which you are)

its obvious that you are fakeclaiming

I'm not mafia

Zoid is setting up lynches ffs

[Bacde]

absta just admit that you aren't cop ffs

what are you doing

Wtf is wrong with you? Are you seriously trying to convince me i'm not cop? I KNOW I'M COP, YOU STFU.

I KNOW YOU ARENT COP ABSTA

YOU STFU BC IM NOT MAFIA WTF

[Bacde]

absta Zoidberg is here saying to lynch if if you are wrong (which you are)

its obvious that you are fakeclaiming

I'm not mafia

Zoid is setting up lynches ffs

So, you think absta is faking a guilty on you, but somehow it's OUR slot that is scum?

huehuehuehuehue

if you had read any of my posts you'd realize that my stance on this game is not ridiculous at all

nice paitning tho

[Bacde]

Bacde, why do you think absta is town? Remember he had a fake inno on him if scum

bc his thought process makes sense

zoidberg on the other hand

[Bacde]

Keep throwing that omgus. Maybe it'll stick to someone.

you are really desperate to get me lynched huh

[Bacde]

What process lol. His lack of making any sense is what caused me to realize some shit was going down.

EXACTLY

He's been tunneling me with no thought to anyhting else in the game

what part of fake-claiming cop when he thought he was confirmed innocent doesn't fit into that?

[Bacde]

Just shut the FUUUUUUCK UP!!

absta seriously wtf

[Bacde]

ok fuck this

I honestly thought absta was town and would admit that he's not cop

now I'm not so sure

I'm not VT (go figure)

I am an

Innocent Child

, and I figured I had absta nailed as a town fakeclaiming cop

I'm using this tonight 100%

I honestly wanted to wait until lylo, especially knowing that IC's tend to suck once noone suspects them

[Bacde]

ok fuck this

I honestly thought absta was town and would admit that he's not cop

now I'm not so sure

I'm not VT (go figure)

I am an

Innocent Child

, and I figured I had absta nailed as a town fakeclaiming cop

I'm using this tonight 100%

I honestly wanted to wait until lylo, especially knowing that IC's tend to suck once noone suspects them

THIS IS NOT HOW IC WORKS

IC is usable at will, not just at night

mine is night only so

[Bacde]

yes i did just double check

[Bacde]

if you were going to hammer me why didn't you just then

that little alarm-bell inside your head saying "bacde is town" is absolutely correct

pedit- @HD actually I think you are right

Unvote

thinking about absta

[Bacde]

Doc/Nurse/Cop/Tracker/Innocent Child?

There's absolutely 0 fucking way this is true. 0.

no shit

[Bacde]

Doc/Nurse/Cop/Tracker/Innocent Child?

There's absolutely 0 fucking way this is true. 0.

no shit

and if you think the answer is doc/nurse/cop/tracker then lol

[Bacde]

esp. a doc/nurse neighbor combo with a tracker and a cop

[Bacde]

isn't framer usually considered bastard

[Bacde]

Also you say that his thought process makes sense. I say what thought process and you say EXACTLY. Like it was obvious to me (and I can see from your perspective then too) that absta was lying (although mebbe he isnt), but why does that make him derp-town to you then and not scum? I could see scum absta doing this in some scenarios.

*If you actually are a cop, then WP absta. ALSO, why didnt you target Zdenek on N1?

He was already a strong scum read.

@Bacde - When did you become pro scum lol?

dude I've only ever had 1 good scum game on this site and that was because I replaced into an awesome slot

Are you scum? be honest

[Bacde]

Framer is actually explicitly normal. And hiraki targeted bscde last night

what the fuck is this

[Bacde]

yes I am town

[Bacde]

In the grand scheme of things, me getting lynched isn't that bad

also I retract my IC claim, I was just sorta joining in with the hilarity of this game, I was VT

last two scum are in absta/BBMoll/DR Z/HD

[Bacde]

In the grand scheme of things, me getting lynched isn't that bad

also I retract my IC claim, I was just sorta joining in with the hilarity of this game, I was VT

last two scum are in absta/BBMoll/DR Z/HD

Not that anyone except for maybe AP believed your IC claim.

go ahead and rub salt in the wound man

whatever

go town

[Bacde]

oh shit im not hammered

Vote: absta101

[Bacde]

^^Why IFM over absta?

[Bacde]

I KNEW HES NOT COP

UNVOTE NOW

[Bacde]

oh I'm hammered

I just want to say that I was 100% that absta was not a cop the entire time

I've already stated my reads, good luck to everyone!

[Bacde]

woo

[Bacde]

kudos to absta101 for calling me out and being willing to claim a guilty

dude i KNEW you weren't a cop

there was NO WAY, since we had 3 goons

it sucked that I couldn't use that extra info to convince the town that you weren't a cop though

[Bacde]

also lol @ AP for expecting me to catch your hider breadcrumbs

I literally had no idea

In fact, in the scum QT the night after you breadcrumbed, I specifically said in the scum QT "There's no way that there is a hider in this game"

I think I'm good at figuring out game balance/setup spec, but I guess I don't have practice at catching breadcrumbs

[Bacde]

yeah I could have improved my scum game by submitting a night kill on n1 I'm aware of that

[Bacde]

Bacde you played a good scum game. DGB and I were split on your alignment for most of it.

For sure, you totally had me going.

"I'm not feeling the suspicion on me right now" - that was such a great line. I totally feel for it.

lol thanks

[Bacde]

I think having 3 goons made the game slightly town-favored but not game-breakingly so

the thing that destroyed us was the combo of lynching the SK d1, and also the NK on n1

oh and also absta being willing to fakeclaim cop

[Bacde]

Why did you kill RachMarie? That was another thing that bugged AP.

everyone elses reads were really bad (with the sole exception of absta, who completely blindsighted me. I did NOT expect him to play as powerfully as he did on d3)

in rachmarie I saw the potential for town to come together (she didn't have any strong reads, but she also didn't have any incorrect reads)

[Bacde]

I was a bad replacement cause I really didn't do much of anything

It was fun to just be in this game though lol

lol I was so upset with you

"this situation is EXACTLY like when Nacho said I was fakeclaiming cop"

I just wanted to be like

"Yeah but in that situation YOU WERE ACTUALLY A COP!"

[Bacde]

I'll post the scum QT if everyone agrees to it

which I don't understand why they wouldn't since I'm the only scum who was even there all game

[Bacde]

was there a dead QT? I don't think I saw it

[Bacde]

@absta, lets be real

you saying you had a cop guilty on me was not a reaction test, it was just you trying to get me lynched

I don't know how I could have reacted any better? I was armed with the knowledge and confidence that you weren't a cop but I still couldn't get you to just admit it

Here's the mafia QT

http://www.quicktopic.com/50/H/F3KciKG2T5j69

[Bacde]

I've learned a lot about being scum

first of all, shoulda killed someone else besides rachmarie

second of all, shoulda killed on n1

third of all, shoulda killed absta asap

[Bacde]

I felt pretty shitty as scum haha.

That's because Bacde didn't phrase his good advice properly.

He should have told you that you're a troll, and your game is to troll the town for lulz.

lol

[Bacde]

AP I wanna say I was rooting for you after I died

I could tell that you were confused and I was happy that your team ended up winning

[Bacde]

true

[Bacde]

Bacade

is always scum

What is with Bacde's QT name oO

apparently some people can't string out the 5 letter term "Bacde" correctly so I was playing along with that

[Bacde]

ok

[Bacde]

bache lol