Mini 1433 - State Farm Mafia - Game over

[Zdenek]

Hi.

I'll get to this today.

[Zdenek]

First 5 pages:

Maran is maybe scum for trying to sow the seed of doubt about DZMD early on.

Absta looks okay early on being aggressive. Well, then he votes KBW while attacking BEF who KBD is voting, which up to that post is the scummiest thing in the game.

It looks more like an act, like he's trying to 'troll'/look dumb.

And you don't think that this is scummy?

Rev is maybe scum for deciding to be useless early. Rev's 89 is pretty legit, especially when someone's calling him town because of meta. He also comes out looking much better than KBW in their interaction.

Hiraki's first post is lame. His jumping from Bacde being a last resort lynch to requiring death is bad. I feel like Hiraki attacking Bacde for scum hunting on page 3, but we'll see what comes of this.

Brighteyedfish voting for Marangal just to keep the wagons even is terrible. His coming under pressure and then replacing out is also pretty bad.

I dislike SafetyDance arguing on behalf of Absta. His stance on idiots is going to be tough to uphold. I also do not like that SafetyDance did not have an issue with Hiraki pointing out that BEF replacing out is scummy, but then immediately votes for KBW when he votes for BEF.

I have town reads on Bacde and DRZMD, but I also don't find that surprising considering the players behind the slots.

[Zdenek]

Through 10 pages:

IFM did the Amished-tell- reading his own slot, to see why it's under pressure. On the other hand he also attacked KBW, so we'll see.

Lurker's vote on KBW seems pretty well reasoned.

After page 6, I'd be ready to vote KBW.

Kashoodles looks ok on page 6.

But then I dislike Kashoodle criticizing Bacde's vote on Xeg who she is also voting.

Kashoodles why did it matter whether Bacde voted before or after Absta here?

rev goes to the town list.
I see DRZMD disagrees, but I also don't understand their read on KBW, so I goes.

Absta explaining that he didn't vote Xeg because the wagon wasn't viable early on is cop out.

Bacde, I don't see how anyone could be reading Absta as town.

I think it's likely that you are both town.

This seems like a pretty unjustified double town read.

Kashoodles could you explain your read on Keyblade around page 7?

SafetyDance, I think that it is false that neighborhoods are always random.

[Zdenek]

IFM is very likely town due to how BEF was acting.

BEF (IFM) was playing differently to his newbie game, as I said earlier, so his slot could still be scum as well.

What?

[Zdenek]

Also you're going to have to explain the last part better. It sounds very much like "Why didn't you vote Player A for X reason when you voted for player B for Z reason". I don't understand.

I don't care that you didn't vote for Hiraki. My point was that you reacted strongly KBW's vote, but not at all to Hiraki's comment.

[Zdenek]

V/LA 'til Sunday, sorry.

noted

[Zdenek]

I have some time this evening.

Also you're going to have to explain the last part better. It sounds very much like "Why didn't you vote Player A for X reason when you voted for player B for Z reason". I don't understand.

I don't care that you didn't vote for Hiraki. My point was that you reacted strongly KBW's vote, but not at all to Hiraki's comment.

More confused. I did react, I agreed with him about KBW. How about mentioning/quoting the posts you're talking about?

Eh...that should read BEF not KBW. Too many damn acronyms for awol or replaced players >.<

Could you tell me what your point is?

@Zed - BEF was playing different to his VT game.
He was acting weird on purpose.
IFM claims PR.
Everything fits. I've seen a lot of PRs play 'scummy'/weird so that they don't get NKd.

He was a neighbor. It's basically the weakest pr there is. There's no reason for him to play differently to avoid the NK.

AP[

, you think Absta's bussing me?
I see the answer is yes because of Xeg OMGUS voing him. That's silly.

Unvote

Considering we've had 12 million replacements in this game on Day 1 I'm giving AP noms for best replacement, 3+ new pages to read with content, eep. But he's wrong about his slot being obv town before.

I'm agreeing with the absta lynch though. Not liking the attempt at sarcasm either. Hard to know what to make of it all without a flip, ergo

Vote:absta

V/LA till after Monday. Happy Easter everyone.

There is nothing in this post, and even your ISO, that explains why you think Absta is scum.

The way Absta is persuing his scum reads looks town. It's the way that he reads me as town and then aggressively starts looking for my potential buddies based on interactions.

Unvote

[Zdenek]

Sorry, that should be . . . the way he reads me as scum. . . . .

[Zdenek]

Let's see:

I have town reads on:

AP - because of KBW's toe-stepping and a gut town read on AP

Bacde - because of aggressive play and being able to follow his thought processes.

DRZMD - with the same caveat as before.

Revenus - gut read

Town, but concerned:

Kashoodles - blathers, but that could be a playstyle thing and I know that I read long-windedness badly. Definitely is scum-hunting.

IFM - had a mediocre start, but appears to be trying to read AP (the slot that was his top scum read before).

Null, but don't want to lynch:

RandomYoshi - I didn't like Maragel's shitty attack on DGB early, but DY appears to be trying.

Weak scum:

Absta - Certain things about him seem townish, his scum hunting and aggressive play, but he dropped scum read on IFM for a pretty poor reason (because the slot claimed neighbor), and his scum read on KBW vanished for what seems to be no reason. Plus earlier on he was attacking KBW and BEF at the same time, which was awkward, and then claimed the a KBW scum flip would confirm IFM as town. Also, his scum reads on Bacde and Kashoodles seem to be based off their interactions with my slot, so the fact that they are as high on his lynch list as they are makes little sense.

Scum:

Hiraki - I don't believe that he believes in any of his reads. His lynchpool hasn't changed since page 2, Bacde went from being a last resort lynch to requiring death, Xeg was in the lynchpool, Hiraki wanted to believe that he's an overwhelmed townie, and he's still in the lynchpool. KBW was not scummy, but douchy and a shitty lynch, but Hiraki voted AP, who is not in, and has not been added to, his lynchpool.

Lurker - He's voting Absta for no reason after having him as a slight town read, and he's made no comment on AP despite pushing KBW as scum before.

Null willing to lynch (usually a great place to find scum, which is why it's down here):

RachMarie - she's done very little.

SafetyDance - attacks people for voting BEF despite not having a read on BEF. Makes weak attacks on people and doesn't follow through.

Vote Hiraki

[Zdenek]

^^Can you explain your gut read on Revenus?

There's the post where he tells people to not use his meta when he's only flipped town, and Hiraki was using to defend him. Scum rev has no motivation to do this. The build up to his vote on KBW doesn't look contrived. He seems legitimately curious about why DRZMD has the reads that they do. He's also pursuing several things.

[Zdenek]

So you don't think I believe in my reads but fail to give any reason why. That's cool.

What I said after that was the explanation.

[Zdenek]

(especially 112)

What are you comparing this to?

[Zdenek]

That is usual RachMarie and I've played with Xegarus at least three times in the month. I'm pretty sure two ended with one being a scumflip and the other being a townflip while the third is ongoing. I'm lazy and I don't want to check.

So your case is meta based, you won't back up your case and you don't think meta should be the basis for a case?

[Zdenek]

If you are having that much issue, maybe you should replace out? I know there have been so many replacements already, but just asking to be lynched already cause you are tired of the game if you are a townie, just does not seem right. Of course if you are scum I want you lynched, but if you are town, seems a poor reason for getting lynched.

Do you think he's town or scum?

no one else found it scummy of Revenus to say he isn't bothering to read absta since he will replace out, but hes willing to vote Xrg's slot based purely on Xeg's posts?

I agree that there's some cognitive dissonance there.

no one else found it scummy of Revenus to say he isn't bothering to read absta since he will replace out, but hes willing to vote Xrg's slot based purely on Xeg's posts? why is Revenus incapable of reading absta's posts to get a read on the SLOT?

Unvote: absta
Vote: RandomYoshi

Are you paying attention to what I've been saying at all, because I've cleared commented several times on absta yet you continue to harp on this point.

So what made you okay with an Absta lynch earlier.

That is usual RachMarie and I've played with Xegarus at least three times in the month. I'm pretty sure two ended with one being a scumflip and the other being a townflip while the third is ongoing. I'm lazy and I don't want to check.

So your case is meta based, you won't back up your case and you don't think meta should be the basis for a case?

Can you quote where I said the second part? And you can check out Xegarus' games yourself. It's not like they're not out in the open.

Jesus Christ.

Not only is this meta (which shouldn't be the foundation of a case) but this is Page 3.

Secondly, this is not about me trying to read Xeg, it's about me trying to read you. Knowing why you think things helps with that.

[Zdenek]

Since you can't be bothered to read zdenek, it's magic.

What are you talking about?

[Zdenek]

And I'm sure giving you a bunch of links will totally help you with that.

It might, hell even one might, if it shows that you're not full of shit.

Also you are pushing on Rev, but voting Hiraki What is your reasoning there? Do you think they are both scum?

I thought Rev was town, but I'm still looking into that, especially considering the people who think that he's scum. I think Hiraki is scum.

You are asking me where I've said something about absta; if you went back a few pages or iso'd me, you'd find it pretty easily.

I know the post where you commented that you'd be okay with his lynch or something like that, and I have ISO'd you. What I am asking is for an explanation.

Im getting slightly scummy vibes from RY but nothing big enough to constitute a lynch vote. Plus he has atleast been contributing to the game which is more than can be said of Lurker. He has really only had one possibly two decent posts and we coukd glean a decent amount of info from his flip.

So are you voting Lurker for policy and info or do you also think that he's scummy?

SafetyDance, I'll walk you through this:
113, Hiraki says that he think that BEF is nub-scum for replacing out.

You don't seem to have a problem with this at all.

KBW then votes BEF.

You immediately vote him for being horribly opportunistic.

My problem is that you didn't care at all about Hiraki pushing BEF as scum of his replace out, but you immediately voted KBW for voting BEF.

Also regarding your 231 it's just false that you were agreeing with Hiraki about BEF. He thought BEF was scum and you were voting KBW for voting BEF.

^ That post you quoted has a reason in it. I've mentioned him before as a scumspect. Look harder.

So you're voting Absta because of attempted sarcasm?

That's alignment indicative?

Alignment indicative enough for her to be in my null, willing to lynch list.

I'm trying to figure out just what I haven't followed through with. Help me out?

Show me where you gave a read on BEF.

As for attacking people and not following through/weakly attacking people:

119: you attack Lurker. You don't follow through.

236, 261: You gently attack Marangal for not voting. You've since clearly followed through on this though.

SD is looking a lot worse after that post where he spoilered responses to me Absta. He opens up by insulting me, which was garbage considering that he was misinterpreting something that he had done. He jumps at the chance to accuse me of character assassination, which is more BS.

I'm fine with lynching Lurker.

It doesn't look like I'll manage to entice anyone to vote Hiraki today.
Let's try this

Vote: SafetyDance

[Zdenek]

Let's try this
Vote: SafetyDance

You're not focusing.

Your last-ditch, unjustified derailment of the Yoshi wagon makes me want to wagon

you

.

-DGB

I'd rather lynch either SafetyDance or Lurker, than RY, and probably RachMarie too.

[Zdenek]

umm why are you adding me to that list Z?

Hello my vote is on Lurker? Are you actually proposing that my derp messup on the wrong Yoshi name is somehow coming from scum?

a) Because you've done nothing that makes me think that you're town.

b) No, and where did you get that idea?

[Zdenek]

AP's defence of Lurker at the end of day 1 is suspect. Lurker was scum, in my opinion seemed scummy, and looked like he might have ended up being lynched, and AP went out of his way to defend him.

[Zdenek]

Either is fine but I had a little more preference on IFM due to the wagon yesterday.

So Hiraki is now scum who doesn't care who gets lynched.

Later he votes me, which makes this fucking awkward:

Unvote, Vote: Absta

alright well fuck you guys

my scumlist is impeccable ap will die tomorrow after absta flips town etc. etc.

VOTE: Zde

Agree with this.

You're insane if you think Absta is bussing.

scumslip. How do you know the neighbors are town/town?

That's not bad, but whatever.

Zed is just pro at scum is all.

Where are you getting this idea?

DRZMD

, what changed about Rev?

Vote: Hiraki

[Zdenek]

Why is Hiraki saying absta is town really awkward?

What are you talking about? What's awkward is him voting me, working with Absta, and then voting Absta.

[Zdenek]

Did Kash talk about an absta/Zd team?

He was voting Absta yesterday.

Zdenek, whats your opinion on SafetyDance / why?

I think he's scum. I said some stuff about it yesterday.

Could you explain this:

Then I call complete bullshit because I was not in any current game with you, or that involved you when you made that post (#604) so there should be nothing stopping you from explaining "why".

[Zdenek]

Were you just trolling about Rev being town?

[Zdenek]

Were you just trolling about Rev being town?

i dunno why but this post feels like a cookies caught in the cookie jar type post

That is nonsense. Even if you replace cookies with hands.

Were you just trolling about Rev being town?

Dead serious. Disappointed?

-DGB

Nope. Just didn't understand your read yesterday, and curious why it changed.

So, I'm scum because my initial reads might be wrong?

No, you're scum because flipping votes between Absta and I makes practically no sense.

AP's defence of Lurker at the end of day 1 is suspect. Lurker was scum, in my opinion seemed scummy, and looked like he might have ended up being lynched, and AP went out of his way to defend him.

What are you suggesting, that AP purposely defended a Serial Killer, knowing he was 3rd party?

Of course not. I'm suggesting that AP may have been trying to get town points by defending someone who he thought was town, and likely to flip. I also think that Lurker was legimately scummy, and the fact that he flipped SK means that I don't think I was wrong about that.

I assume it was different enough from your town meta that he considered it your scum.

Don't answer questions for other people.

I am asking you to be mod-killed based on site-rules about discussion of current games. Fuck your claim.

There is no town motivation for this.

Zde was null-ish for me yesterday but scummy today, especially his interaction with Hiraki and trying to shove something onto AP in #724

Why? because this looks like bullshit to me.

But Lurker was a third party anyway. AP would have to be scum - how would he know what Lurker was to defend him?

That was just gibberish.

Absta, I still want to know where you are getting the idea that I am pro at scum.

[Zdenek]

^^I meant hands lol

Why did you make a sad face? Why were you sad about thinking that Dr Z MD was trolling about thinking Rev was town?

No, that was regarding their forecast.

[Zdenek]

You were quite convincing Day 1. Some good acting.

You're so full of shit.

[Zdenek]

Spoiler: Bacde, you know you wanna help me with this one

Ok, Bacde is full of shit.

5. AngryPidgeon, Mafia Roleblocker, alive in Endgame

You're so full of shit.

5. Zdenek, Mafia Roleblocker, Lynched Day 2

This has crossed the line into the unbelievable.

JUST TO BE CLEAR THAT QUOTE FROM THE MOD DID NOT HAPPEN; I AM MAKING A JOKE AND COMPARISON BETWEEN MY/ZD's SCUM PLAY.

So it's a joke and a comparison.
Can we lynch AP?

I am asking you to be mod-killed based on site-rules about discussion of current games. Fuck your claim.

There is no town motivation for this.

There is no town motivation for wanting to play a game by the rules outlined and agreed upon by everyone playing this site?

There's no town motivation for you to be this dense.

Vote:Zdenek

I feel like SD would actually try to get you modkilled for that

Obvious joke comparison is obvious.

I will remember this Bacde, we all will.

Zed is mod confirmed scum now.

I love how you make such an emphatic statement and follow it up with just as emphatic reasoning.

You could totally make the Bible Belt vote Obama with such persuasiveness.

Well SD is voting me for non-alignment related reasons, and he's attacking Absta who is saying that I am scum. Him trying to underminine Absta makes no sense.

Unvote
Vote: SafetyDance

[Zdenek]

Kashoodles

, I asked you something in my last post.

[Zdenek]

I'm also one-shot BP.

[Zdenek]

With an SK town needs something to stop the bleeding.

[Zdenek]

Why in God's name would I claim this if I was scum?

[Zdenek]

Lol Zed, you should've said something else. Anyway, hammer away. He's lying.

Pretending that there is something that I could have said that would have changed your mind is lolzy.