Mini 1433 - State Farm Mafia - Game over

[SafetyDance]

Great! Caught one.

VOTE: BrightEyedFish

-DGB

He was already in your scum pile though.

And thats a reason not to vote him?
I think i'm happy with my vote atm.

What a coincidence, so am I.

Vote: Xegarus

[SafetyDance]

@Xeg - I never said that...

You put "though" at the end. As if to disagree with him. The only thing he had done was vote and therefore i can only

assume

you disagreed with the vote. And so i asked, is that a reason not to vote?

Why does an assumption mean you should keep your vote there? Especially when you're just going to move it again so effortlessly.

VOTE: Brighteyedfish

I can get on this wagon.

But you were already on a wagon so this doesn't make much sense.

[SafetyDance]

Prod doge.

If anyone's being an idiot, admitting to being an idiot, then they should be lynched in an instant on day one.

[SafetyDance]

Gotta go with the King of Snark on the whole Fishy wagon. That said I'd rather give the replacement a chance to read the game before deciding to put a vote there.

I still don't like Lurker's move onto the wagon for the sake of it when he was already on a wagon (for the sake of it?) as pointed out in kashoodles Post 92 and since he hasn't done anything since I think his wagon definitely needs to grow

Vote:Lurker

[SafetyDance]

Sorry Lurker, you'll have to wait because that is horrible, opportunistic scumminess that can't be ignored.

Vote: Keybladewielder

[SafetyDance]

Ooh, busyness.

WTF? you have to Unvote first. Why am I scummy here?

Give me 2 reasons.

1) Go back to the newb queue or read the rules.
2) I gave my reason:

Sorry Lurker, you'll have to wait because that is

horrible, opportunistic

scumminess that can't be ignored.

Vote: Keybladewielder

I don't really need to elaborate or wall-up in this case, it should be pretty clear. You may disagree with it, I'd be surprised if you didn't, but it's still reasoning and if you can't understand it or those two words then you're going to have more problems down the line I think.

...Its also a damn site better than just voting someone because you hold an out of game grudge against them.

Side note: I really don't like how in #41 Safety doesn't vote me, notices my behavior, then votes for me WITH THE EXACT SAME REASONING. I don't know why he waited, but it is nothing in and of itself.

Because I was looking at other scum? Because in catching up I saw kash vote for similar reasons and decided to get off a wagon that wasn't going anywhere (at that time)?

It was my first proper post back since #41 so plenty of reasons.

Prod doge.

If anyone's being an idiot, admitting to being an idiot, then they should be lynched in an instant on day one.

Also a bullshit reason. Rev hadn't been the most town ever, but he was being attacked by someone constantly calling him an idiot.

Eh, I got the impression in that post of Revenus admitting he is a VI, in which case I don't really want those sorts of players around. I'm not entering into whatever their slap-fest is.

If Key were to flip scum, IFM would be conf town. Either one of them are good lynches. BEF (IFM) was playing differently to his newbie game, as I said earlier, so his slot could still be scum as well.

Does anyone know in what kind of games both the neighbourhood players would be town?

		N1	N1
		Town	Scum
N2	Town	TT	ST
N2	Scum	TS	SS

Neighborhoods are (with exceptions you can't factor into) always random. So there's a standard 25% that the neighborhood is Town/Town. Then you add in all the 3-4/13 + 9-10/13 fractions or whatever to work out what that really is but that sort of maths is not something I do for fun. Bottom line is don't presume anything and read them normally regardless.

Vote: Keybladewielder

VOTE: KeyBlade

Hmm, the two people voting for me vote for the same person in quick succession.

What, when did absta vote you?

So you're playing the noobie card and having delusions? I can see why I voted you originally. If key's wagon fizzles out I'd be happy to jump back here.

@Xeg - I'm not seeing much from you.

You've seen even less from Safety or Lurker, why only question me?

Gotta be honest, I was surprised too how little I posted before yesterday, but I was busy for a time. Still content > post count, which is why I presume others haven't mentioned it except you. I've avoided the shit-flinging so far too, that helps. And it makes a nice change spending less than half an hour sorting through quotes and responding.

...and that's about where I've caught up today. Bed time. Vote stays where it is for now.

[SafetyDance]

And back to being all quiet. I think Xeg definitely deserves more of a look at but I want to wait till Key comes back before deciding which one I think is scummier.

@Dunhamganger - vote counts with deadlines in them may prove useful as we get closer to it

[SafetyDance]

I'm also curious for Zoidberg's answer on Rev as scum.

Yeah I'm not sure I like their style of definitive reads on people with very little reason behind them. At least though they're making calls and we can easily go back to those posts if proved wrong or their stances change for no reason at all.

[SafetyDance]

Woe is me for reading the rules.

lol I guess I should have changed that in the rules when I borrowed his rules lol. Sorry about that

Code: Select all

[countdown]yyyy-mm-dd hh:mm:ss timezone[/countdown]

Eg:

Deadline in (expired on 2013-04-05 17:00:00)

[SafetyDance]

...

I just ISO'd Xeg, and he's a bit worse then I thought he was... His OMGUS vote on you was pretty damn terrible

...and yet, still no vote.

[SafetyDance]

I want to hear more from him before I do

Well fair enough, because No Lynch sure does deserve keeping your vote there. Nihilistic bastard that he is.

You think someone is scummy, you haven't voted since RVS, therefore where your vote should be is a no brainer. With two weeks to go and at L-3 there's absolutely no reason to be scared to place a vote on the wagon.

No town reason that is.

KBW is scummy for his flame war

, his terrible reaction to getting voted (he jumped and demanded reasons for getting voted while simultaneously voting me with no reason except that he doesn't like me while also claiming I was doing scummy things which he later retracted), and finally his switching to a more convenient wagon when people started questioning why he was voting so stupidly.

Fixed that. The first part only relevant as to why you don't like him.

Most of that is why my vote is still there. When he comes back, then we can gauge his reactions after he caught up.

Personally, I think it's lucky dip saying that Y is derpTown or X is derpTown. I don't really excuse people because of it.

[SafetyDance]

Good to see you're reading Rev. Or are you?

Mod wrote:BrightEyedFish has also requested a replacement

if this doesn't scream nubscum

I wholeheartedly agree. Our vote is there, and we'll be keeping it there unless the other head has other plans.

-DGB

I don't know about yourself but I don't normally agree with people I find scummy.

So ten out of ten for style, but minus several million for good thinking.

[SafetyDance]

Your bad what?

Your bad scum hunting ability? Your bad sentence constructions? Your bad case of hives? WHAT? I can't take the suspense!

[SafetyDance]

FYI "my bad" is American slang and not everyone on site is American, in fact many are not. It means basically oops I messed up.

So like "my mistake"? Well that actually makes sense.

[SafetyDance]

There is a theory out there that says the more people V/LA when the heat's on, the more likely they are scum.

We have two major wagons and two V/LAs and their disappearances have stalled the game.

Spoiler:

[SafetyDance]

Ugh.

/inb4 KBW rage quits too

[SafetyDance]

Great, all we need is KBW to come back. He's posting elsewhere on site so hopefully will be back soon. It's stalled enough as it is.

Going through the playerlist:
Revenus
Lurker
absta
Zdenek
KBW
IFM

If there's not at least one scum in this group then god help us all, because nothing will save this town >.<

[SafetyDance]

Going through playerlist - is this randomly selected? Apparently I'm not very good at picking up patterns, haha.

No.

great town-post

i congratulate you on taking your efforts to compose that post

Now I want to see a full list of reads, each one thoroughly explained.

Strike me down, when did you claim town mayor? I must go back and read the thread more carefully.

I dislike SafetyDance arguing on behalf of Absta. His stance on idiots is going to be tough to uphold. I also do not like that SafetyDance did not have an issue with Hiraki pointing out that BEF replacing out is scummy, but then immediately votes for KBW when he votes for BEF.

Eh? Xeg was playing scummy, I was calling him up on his assuming and fickle voting.

Also you're going to have to explain the last part better. It sounds very much like "Why didn't you vote Player A for X reason when you voted for player B for Z reason". I don't understand.

hello not understanding balanced setups
because Neighbours are totally randomised, yup
this is also IIoA as shit and incredibly nitpick-y

Well no shit sherlock, what part of absta's question had to do with analysis?

Btw Wonder White, have you caught up yet? How about giving a list of reads yourself before asking everyone else for some.

[SafetyDance]

SafetyDance, I think that it is false that neighborhoods are always random.

I think it's false to presume otherwise. I'm sure there are exceptions but with no knowledge of the setup I'm not making any assumptions that the neighbors were cheery-picked.

SafetyDance I feel has been somewhat going under the radar - someone I really do want to focus in on more. Nothing he's said has been particularly scummy, but I also feel like he's lurking during the best situations and pops in once in a while.

Once in a while is actually quite regularly. I'm not likely to be in any spamguments, if that's what you're inferring too but I think I've been around fairly regularly. Aas for content, what do you expect when your two main targets leave? I do believe I mentioned my annoyance at that.

[SafetyDance]

Also you're going to have to explain the last part better. It sounds very much like "Why didn't you vote Player A for X reason when you voted for player B for Z reason". I don't understand.

I don't care that you didn't vote for Hiraki. My point was that you reacted strongly KBW's vote, but not at all to Hiraki's comment.

More confused. I did react, I agreed with him about KBW. How about mentioning/quoting the posts you're talking about?

[SafetyDance]

Eh...that should read BEF not KBW. Too many damn acronyms for awol or replaced players >.<

[SafetyDance]

Unvote

Considering we've had 12 million replacements in this game on Day 1 I'm giving AP noms for best replacement, 3+ new pages to read with content, eep. But he's wrong about his slot being obv town before.

I'm agreeing with the absta lynch though. Not liking the attempt at sarcasm either. Hard to know what to make of it all without a flip, ergo

Vote:absta

V/LA till after Monday. Happy Easter everyone.

[SafetyDance]

Prod is a bit ridiculous,from the nanny state, next thing you know they'll tap our phone lines.

UNVOTE

Spoiler: absta quotes

@Safety

I'm agreeing with the absta lynch though. Not liking the attempt at sarcasm either.

Hard to know what to make of it all without a flip, ergo

(vote absta101)

What the fuck is this shit?

Also, how is "attempting sarcasm" scummy?

Why do you agree with my lynch specifically?

It's a vote

It's a contrived emotional response.

Because I think your scum....

@absta, can you answer #473 as well as the question above?

When I get back.

As for your other question.
Zed
You or Safety
Kash

I can see either you or Kash working with Zed.

aka OMGUS, OMGUS and OMGUS.

@Rach - My old avatar is old.
This isn't my new playsyle or anything. I just want to die already, I'm so disconnected from this game. Still really confident in my Xeg scum read though. That's the only reason I started 'looking' for his buddies, I normally don't do that without a flip.

G..fff.ssds.. Ugh.

UNVOTE

Never seen scum do this but OMG, it is not helping if you're town. Wise up Janet Weiss, or do as Bacde suggested and replace out. Apathy does not help.

Spoiler: zdenek quotes

I have some time this evening.

Also you're going to have to explain the last part better. It sounds very much like "Why didn't you vote Player A for X reason when you voted for player B for Z reason". I don't understand.

I don't care that you didn't vote for Hiraki. My point was that you reacted strongly KBW's vote, but not at all to Hiraki's comment.

More confused. I did react, I agreed with him about KBW. How about mentioning/quoting the posts you're talking about?

Eh...that should read BEF not KBW. Too many damn acronyms for awol or replaced players >.<

Could you tell me what your point is?

Do you have the mind of a goldfish? I'm trying to understand a point

you

made. Clearly, it must've been a complete fabrication too, since you can't be bothered to explain it, so I'll just disregard it and your thoughts.

Unvote

Considering we've had 12 million replacements in this game on Day 1 I'm giving AP noms for best replacement, 3+ new pages to read with content, eep. But he's wrong about his slot being obv town before.

I'm agreeing with the absta lynch though. Not liking the attempt at sarcasm either. Hard to know what to make of it all without a flip, ergo

Vote:absta

V/LA till after Monday. Happy Easter everyone.

There is nothing in this post, and even your ISO, that explains why you think Absta is scum.

The way Absta is persuing his scum reads looks town. It's the way that he reads me as town and then aggressively starts looking for my potential buddies based on interactions.

Unvote

^ That post you quoted has a reason in it. I've mentioned him before as a scumspect. Look harder.

RachMarie - she's done very little.

That's alignment indicative?

SafetyDance - attacks people for voting BEF despite not having a read on BEF. Makes weak attacks on people and doesn't follow through.

Don't understand this at all or the attempt at character assassination. I'm trying to figure out just

what

I haven't followed through with. Help me out?

With deadline approaching, happy to join the RY wagon. Apart from what's been said I don't like his pushiness to get others to elaborate whilst not doing anything himself.

Vote: RandomYoshi

[SafetyDance]

Hey Yoshi, just curious, do you know there's a wagon on you?

Hiraki - would you consider moving your vote onto any of the other wagons?

[SafetyDance]

That's convenient.

[SafetyDance]

P.s. SD's attempts at compromise recently feel off; like I know hes capable of getting frustrated over annoying/bad play and he doesn't feel like he really is, but kind of implies he is. If that made sense to anyone.

Since when? Have we played more than a week in a game together or have you meta'd me elsewhere?

I take it since you haven't done your ISOs you haven't seen this:

Gotta be honest, I was surprised too how little I posted before yesterday, but I was busy for a time. Still content > post count, which is why I presume others haven't mentioned it except you. I've avoided the shit-flinging so far too, that helps. And it makes a nice change spending less than half an hour sorting through quotes and responding.

More tomorrow, busy.

[SafetyDance]

^ I'm not able to comment more on that. But I believe you are more likely to get upset/annoyed when you are town and lynches aren't going your way (we have similar playstyles in that regard I think) and I felt your reaction to the RY wagon was weird. Totally gut case, I know. But I definitely gut read players better who play similarly to me (Vifam in ny161).

Then I call complete bullshit because I was not in any current game with you, or that involved you when you made that post (#604) so there should be nothing stopping you from explaining "why".

Two of my targets V/LA'ed then replaced out. It's pretty hard to be enthusiastic after that and anyway, I was fine with a Lurker lynch. He was in my list.

[SafetyDance]

Have you been upset/annoyed this game? You're original wagon (which you're now distancing from) was not the night kill either. Are

you

mad? If that's how you normally play, why aren't

you

like that?

If we play similar and all...

[SafetyDance]

Lol, no. I watch games, Im in games, Im not talking about where my read is coming from eof.

Im in hyper-troll mode this game and I love it.

I love how you don't bother to reply when

I

say it.

Look at your post and when it was made. You are calling me scum based on reads from the games I have played. Otherwise you have no basis. If it is based on games going then you should apologise and renege otherwise,

I am asking you to be mod-killed based on site-rules about discussion of current games

. Fuck your claim.

That'll teach you to troll.

Post in question:

P.s. SD's attempts at compromise recently feel off; like I know hes capable of getting frustrated over annoying/bad play and he doesn't feel like he really is, but kind of implies he is. If that made sense to anyone.

[SafetyDance]

Pathetic.

Officially don't give a fuck now.

Vote: Kashoodles

Scum read for reasons from games currently running.

Sheep me, you flock of Rambouillet.

[SafetyDance]

Oh I forgot about that, that was meant to read, *day lynch*. Which actually makes sense because AP wanted RY lynched and then moved to hammer lurker and this day has moved away from his scum-RY read. Which was my point.

Read it how you want though.

You should be mod killed for mentioning specifics of that game, kash.

It's certainly doing wonders to progress any meaningful scum huntings. I'm not trying to lose, I'm trying to point how fucked up and wrong it is to base any meaningful reads on other games that are current.

If you let people (regardless of their fucking claim) get away with that then don't cry when it goes tits up and you lose.

[SafetyDance]

Couple quick things:
@Safety:

I never ever said that I was making a meta case on you based on ongoing games

.

I'm not

. Its not even really a meta read; it is in the sense that my case on Revenus is.

^ I'm not able to comment more on that.

So there's nothing stopping you then from explaining yourself.

I just happen to think I understand your personality/playstyle which is something I can pick up from not even knowing your alignment and reading a game of yours.

I don't think you do understand me and if you've read a game of mine, that's not ongoing, then you can link a game(s) as proof, like someone normally would and not say something like:

^ I'm not able to comment more on that.

Now, that one sentence that is causing all this fuss was a really offhanded remark by me that was a large part a note to myself to look into that thought more when I had time. Your reaction is to pin my own logic on me which is

But I definitely gut read players better who play similarly to me (Vifam in ny161).

You make your bed, you lie in it.

It's simple, if you're publicly reasoning that you're reading someone as scum, regardless of reason ("gut"), because of ongoing games, you are violating the rules of the site and not definitely not playing in the spirit of the game.

Ergo request to apologise and renege or be modkilled.

[SafetyDance]

ummm AP hammered because of the SK claim...

At least pretend you're reading this game, RM.

Which actually makes sense

because AP wanted RY lynched

and then moved to hammer lurker and this day has moved away from his scum-RY read. Which was my point.

Which actually makes sense

because AP wanted RY lynched

and then moved to hammer lurker and this day has moved away from his scum-RY read. Which was my point.

Which actually makes sense

because AP wanted RY lynched

and then moved to hammer lurker and this day has moved away from his scum-RY read. Which was my point.

Spoiler: L-O-O-K

Vote Count 1.13
RachMarie -
Revenus -
Hiraki -

RandomYoshi

- Bacde, Doctor Zoidberg MD,

AngryPidgeon

, SafetyDance, Lurker (L-2)

Doctor Zoidberg MD -
Bacde -

Lurker - RachMarie, Kashoodles, absta101, Revenus, IFM (L-2)

absta101 -
SafetyDance - Zdenek (L-6)
Kashoodles -
Zdenek -
AngryPidgeon - Hiraki, RandomYoshi (L-5)
IFM -

Not Voting:


Revenus is V/LA until April 7th

Deadline is in (expired on 2013-04-05 11:30:00)

I am human and can make mistakes, if you see an error with the vote count please let me know.

Spoiler: R-E-A-D

Well Bacde and Zoid want to lynch RY. And I want to lynch RY. And Bcde/Zoid are two people I'm pretty confident about being town.

no one else found it scummy of Revenus to say he isn't bothering to read absta since he will replace out, but hes willing to vote Xrg's slot based purely on Xeg's posts? why is Revenus incapable of reading absta's posts to get a read on the SLOT?

Unvote: absta
Vote: RandomYoshi

Not much happening here. Add RachMarie to the list of people I'm willing to vote today; her posts feel off. I'm having a hard time explaining this read, but she just feels different than when I've played with Town-Rach. A lot of her posts are common sense/IIoA this game and she isn't speaking as forcefully as she was in her brief time with me in Popcorn mafia (open 484?).

Revenus is an excellent vote still.

I wish Hiraki and I were on the same page about anything this game. I don't see any of his wagons that I would really support that much.

Lurker is a compromise lynch. IMO a shitty compromise lynch. But if it comes to DL, I'll vote it. Would MUCH rather RY/Revenus/Rach

Ok lurker is town town town. I guarantee it. I FUCKING guarantee a townflip from lurker.

Lurker feels genuine in every post he makes. He shiws an inherent town mindset in his train of thoughts and although he hasn't been incredibly active, he is not appealing to anybody or overjustifying his actions or actually doing anything scummy. I feel pretty strongly that lurker is just frustrated town right now.

RandomYoshi I'm less sure about it. Of the two, might vote is staying here. I want to run some ISOs in the next couple hours but absta is still absurdly scummy this game. And Im feeling more confident about ZD town.

Spoiler: U-N-D-E-R-S-T-A-N-D

Which actually makes sense

because AP wanted RY lynched

and then moved to hammer lurker and this day has moved away from his scum-RY read. Which was my point.

[SafetyDance]

I am asking you to be mod-killed based on site-rules about discussion of current games. Fuck your claim.

There is no town motivation for this.

There is no town motivation for wanting to play a game by the rules outlined and agreed upon by everyone playing this site?

There's no town motivation for you to be this dense.

Vote:Zdenek

I feel like SD would actually try to get you modkilled for that

Obvious joke comparison is obvious.

I will remember this Bacde, we all will.

Zed is mod confirmed scum now.

I love how you make such an emphatic statement and follow it up with just as emphatic reasoning.

You could totally make the Bible Belt vote Obama with such persuasiveness.

[SafetyDance]

Lurker claimed 3rd party? Ok, I can get on board with that then.

VOTE: Lurker

You forgot to quote THIS one SD...

Ahem

Attempting to understand reason that post has to do with RandomYoshi or AP's read on RY...
...
...
...
Attempt Failed.

Please, do enlighten.

[SafetyDance]

Nothing to do with his read on RY, but explains why he jumped off of RY to hammer Lurker.

Not liking the way you are hinting on AP. If you really think he is scum for this you should come out and say so.

So if his vote on Lurker is because he was the SK, what relevancy does that have to do with his reads and D2 distancing on RY? IE, go back and read my initial statement without the typo.

Are you implying that because he switched to lurker, any thoughts of RY just magically disappeared? W.T.F

I am saying, what I am saying. Go back, read, comprehend, then tank me afterwards for being to pateint and guiding you on your path of enlightenment.

Seeing a pattern here.

You're implying a lot that AP jumped from RY to Lurker without reason when that's not true.

I actually see where you are coming from with AP dropping RY, but RY hasn't been around for further questions.

What the fuck does AP's hammer on Lurker got to do with his reads on RY? Like RM, you must be then implying that since he hopped off RY and onto Lurker, it all evaporated into thin air? Is that what you're implying? If it's not, how the fuck is it in any way conducive or relevant?

So if RY hasn't been around, and he's (meant to be) a top scumspect of AP, why's AP not getting annoyed like he said he does?

[SafetyDance]

Well SD is voting me for non-alignment related reasons, and he's attacking Absta who is saying that I am scum. Him trying to underminine Absta makes no sense.

Unvote
Vote: SafetyDance

Oh look, spot the OMGUS. Also spot the comprehension fail from a player who's incapable of reading and comprehending what the words 'mod' and 'confirmed' mean when they're put together at the from of another word.

Btw,

Well SD is voting me for non-alignment related reasons

There is no town motivation for this.

MAKE UP YOUR MIND

There is no town motivation for wanting to play a game by the rules outlined and agreed upon by everyone playing this site?

No, there's no town motivation for to get your tits up in a knot.

I'm calling someone out for obvious bullshit based on breaking rules in the game. Frankly, what has alignment got to do with it?

What ZD or SD? I wouldn't be horribly opposed to SD, but I'm def leaning ZD right now.

@Town, its totally cool to be carefree and content to let this guy not back up his bullshit.

[SafetyDance]

Also also I will admit Im making some assumptions here and you aren't really lynchable right now, so I'd rather lynch someone else {ZD/Rev/SD} and see what happens tonight.

HAVE YOU SEEN THIS PLAYER?

He's an excitable little fellow, about yay-high, rather wheaty looking in complexion and an excitable chap. Loves lunchtimes.

[SafetyDance]

Very funny there SD
'
I would like that slot clarified too, but what is the point of AP going all ballistic on a slot that is clearly going to be replaced since the toasty dude site flaked?

Does it not make more sense to push on players who are actually playing and might be lurking ?

I fell into that my first game because I was not aware how often replacements happen, and my IC, RayFrost, corrected me on that. Pushing and pressuring a lurker to participate is one thing. railing on a dude who is just not around anymore is another.

Sit down, because may absolutely floor you - don't say I didn't warn you - but this was my exact reason for not really getting up and adam WHEN ALL MY READS WHERE FLAKING OUT.

Which I then proceeded to be called scum for by AP because he's reading current games and he thinks that's how I play (which is apparently similar to him).

You would know this if you've following all this from the start.

DO YOU KINDA, MAYBE, SEE WHY I HAVE A PROBLEM WITH IT NOW?

[SafetyDance]

Why dont you want SD lynched?

Because he knows what I'm going to flip?

SD lynch is good lynch.

What would you know, you haven't read most of the game

What I was told is it sounds kinda fishy but could be normal.

Absta I love you but yeah you have been so tunneling like mad on Z dude I kinda want to hear from a few others before I hammer...

Jiffy? DGB ?

Fair enough.

Keep an eye on Bacde, SD and kill Kash last. He'll help you kill scum.

Btw, i'm a VT. Sorry for the early claim but this needs to happen.

The problem with you being so confident is, why? If you're just a VT, how do you know for sure?

[SafetyDance]

Lmao speed-lynch or what. 2 weeks to go too, why? Oh well, don't have to v/la for the weekend.

[SafetyDance]

^ I'm not able to comment more on that. But I believe you are more likely to get upset/annoyed when you are town and lynches aren't going your way (we have similar playstyles in that regard I think) and I felt your reaction to the RY wagon was weird. Totally gut case, I know. But I definitely gut read players better who play similarly to me (Vifam in ny161).

Then I call complete bullshit because I was not in any current game with you, or that involved you when you made that post (#604) so there should be nothing stopping you from explaining "why".

Two of my targets V/LA'ed then replaced out. It's pretty hard to be enthusiastic after that and anyway, I was fine with a Lurker lynch. He was in my list.

Have you been upset/annoyed this game? You're original wagon (which you're now distancing from) was not the

night kill

day lynch either. Are

you

mad? If that's how you normally play, why aren't

you

like that?

If we play similar and all...

[SafetyDance]

So I'm right then. Good to know.

[SafetyDance]

What would you know, you haven't read most of the game

I read Day 2, and your posting this entire dayphase has been complete shit.

This is the second game I've seen you replace in and have been complete shit.

In an attempt of objectiveness, care to point out any games of yours where you have replaced in as town and actually been good?

Reason: I have very penetrating reading comprehension skills.

SafetyDance asked that

ZdenekScum

be modkilled in post #756

Lol, no. I watch games, Im in games, Im not talking about where my read is coming from eof.

Im in hyper-troll mode this game and I love it.

I love how you don't bother to reply when

I

say it.

Look at your post and when it was made. You are calling me scum based on reads from the games I have played. Otherwise you have no basis. If it is based on games going then you should apologise and renege otherwise,

I am asking you to be mod-killed based on site-rules about discussion of current games

. Fuck your claim.

That'll teach you to troll.

Post in question:

P.s. SD's attempts at compromise recently feel off; like I know hes capable of getting frustrated over annoying/bad play and he doesn't feel like he really is, but kind of implies he is. If that made sense to anyone.

That's some reading skills. I'll sleep better at tonight knowing town is safe in your hands.

[SafetyDance]

I am highly considering a SD vote.

Phonepost: SD is not confirmed town.

I will explain when I can, but Im getting private sexy cuddling times irl tonight, so thisll wait :p.

I leave you with this: I definitely expected you to see things my way. Who else would you say could? Honestly I think SD is scum because of the Rach kill.

My answer to the above is Bacde for sure. Unsure about others.

Spoiler:

Tell me, how are you confirmed town btw? You're still alive. Also don't understand how a VT absta, with no info to drive a lynch, can be 100% sure of who scum is and 100% clear now himself. Talking in absolutes here.

Spoiler: nevermind, just seen 928

Errr, I was hoping I could keep trolling the scum team today,

but I will likely have to full claim tomorrow.

DrZoid..You are smart. Im a lil weirded out that you aren't seeing the implications of the Rach kill. Assume SD is scum.

Im a 1 shot bulletproof town.

(In addition to being a neighbor)

WTF????

I realize my logic on SD scum is a bit circular then, but the Rach kill makes almost no sense.

But it makes perfect sense from me, HOW??????

[SafetyDance]

I don't think Kash is scum. I really think its SD. If scum is setting me up with the Rach kill to think this, then GFG. Or they just rando-killed in which case, trollol.

Ok, so here is my spiel. I am not a 1x Bulletproof.

My 1xBP was just a ruse. I was dropping hider crumbs all day so that the scum team would pick up on it:

Spoiler: Various crumbs

certain that

absta isn't hiding

anything after skimming last night. So I'm behind absta-town for now.

I have reason to believe that I was killed

Im not

hiding

jackshit.

The idea was to try and bait the scumteam to kill my target tonight since I was pretty sure they would see my crumbs and think that I was gambiting with my claim 1xBP to get them to shoot me again:

I think Im going to look into Safety Dance a little tonight. Like I'm pretty sure hes town, but I just wanna feel better about that read and see if I can't find anything that was hiding before.

I crumbed a hide on absta night 1. Here is the silly part though. I'm not actually a hider either.

Im a Jack of all Trades {1xHide, 1xDoctor, 1xTrack}.

On night 1 I hid behind absta. On night 2 I protected SD (since I expected him to get killed because of my hide crumbs on him). Now, the Rach kill is like reaaaaaalllly out of place. I can't for the life of me imagine why she would get NK'd over the people that were actually big townreads for everyone (and shes VT too, so). Oh wait, yes I can! SD is scum and the RM NK would create a lot of WIFOM when AP flips

Town Hider

alongside VT RM. Because lets face it, I crumbed the shit out of that hide and it was pretty clear to anyone paying attention that I was gunning for SD. I know for a fact that Bacde and Zoidberg picked up on my crumbs. And I have meta of being a hider in an open game in which I said I was going to hide behind a player and then lied and hid elsewhere so that argument could also have been used to protect SD from the implications of my death.

RachMarie is one of the few people that I would have reasonably hid behind which explains why she died - to make SD less suspicious as a result of my crumbs.

DZMD feels so off to me this game and I don't like how quick they were to call SD conftown. I mean I appreciate the hustle, but you weren't even remotely suspicious of what I may have done since I was clearly being deceptive as fuck in the first place with my BP claim? I just want you to know that I may have miscalculated slightly with my SD crumbs, but I'm like 95% on SD being scum as a result, so. I'm always 2 steps ahead of you DGB and don't forget it ,

ALSO. If Bacde is scum then SD is DEFINITELY scum. I will lynch SD over Bacde Today because if Bacde/SD were scum/town, then Bacde would have to be a step ahead of me in my crazy gambit land. And I refuse to believe that.

TL;DR

: Im a Joat {Hide on absta N1, doc on SD N2, unused track}. The scumteam clearly bought my hider story last night because they killed RM and her death makes no sense otherwise unless SD is scum and they were trying to cover for him looking bad on my flip. Zoid/Bacde are the 2 people that I am 100% certain saw my BP claim for the BS that it was and would have picked up on the hider thing. But I think SD needs to go.
VOTE: SafetyDance

I'm scum because you doc'ed me and I didn't die? Rofl.






































Rofl.

[SafetyDance]

Didn't notice anything in your posts by the way...apart from you being a dick and using current games to claim I'm scum.

[SafetyDance]

In post 756, SafetyDance wrote:I am asking you to be mod-killed based on site-rules about discussion of current games. Fuck your claim.

There is no town motivation for this.

See. This post is where I think SD has to be town.

Well, glad at least one of you is paying attention. Now I see where 756=Zed comes from.

Serious, look at my Zed interaction, he's just posted it so its all easy. Then look at kashoodles, Hiraki and IFM and their vote and interactions. If anyone can come up with a

rational

,

coherent

,

plausible

argument for me bussing over any of them, I will self-vote.

We should kill Bacde.

Brb.

What I was told is it sounds kinda fishy but could be normal.

Absta I love you but yeah you have been so tunneling like mad on Z dude I kinda want to hear from a few others before I hammer...

Jiffy? DGB ?

Fair enough.

Keep an eye on Bacde, SD and kill Kash last. He'll help you kill scum.

Btw, i'm a VT. Sorry for the early claim but this needs to happen.

The problem with you being so confident is, why? If you're just a VT, how do you know for sure?

This is my problem with absta. How can you tell this apart from scatter-gun townie or "knowing" scum?

P-EDIT. This game.

Wait a minute. SD was asking for AP to be modkilled, NOT Xegarus/Zdenek.

Well. That changes a lot of things.

-DGB

Got to this. How does this change your iso of Zed + I?

[SafetyDance]

Who did Rach find town/scum?

---

If SD waggon grows i'm gonna have to vote Kash.

@AP - We can kill Bacde then track Kash and win. Unless they kill you. At least you'll know that Kash and Bacde are scum.

More disliked post. Why attempt to rolefish/setup spec a closed game?

Lol ^. If Bacde is scum, then SD is definitely scum.

@Zoid: Ok. I'll keep an open mind when/if I do that reread. But you saying "I could have shot my scum buddy SD", "I could have shot Majiffy because ???", and "I could have shot Bacde" and then saying "But no, I decided to be protown" is ???

None of that proves anything about your alignment - that is just speculation on people you may have killed that aren't RM. And if you were scum, you would have killed SD if he were town. Without a doubt.

I have no idea how you're so sure Bacde and I have to be of the same alignment, so I'm sheeping DZMD's #952

[SafetyDance]

Right, I think that's me caught up.

Happy to lynch: Majiffy, Kash, IFM, Rev. Haven't decided which is more deserving a vote yet. Pending: Hiraki ~ why is he clear from day one play? Bacde ~ convince me, why is he scum (absta saying so is not a reason)?

Double Aa's need to explain themselves better imo but not the right choice for a lynch, same for DZMD at the moment.

[SafetyDance]

I have no idea how you're so sure Bacde and I have to be of the same alignment, so I'm sheeping DZMD's #952

If Bacde is scum, he would have known (I am 100% certain of this) that I was crumbing a hide on you last night. If you were town, he would have killed you.

Is this another meta-thing? How sure are you that you're not just invoking WIFOM?

[SafetyDance]

Baaaa.

Majiffy

[SafetyDance]

Baaaa

VOTE: Majiffy

[SafetyDance]

Is this another meta-thing? How sure are you that you're not just invoking WIFOM?

I am literally 100% certain. Bacde rolled scum in my modded game and correctly guessed that Yates was fakeclaiming Cop as a hider and adjusted his NK accordingly. He confessed that he figured it out partly because I always talk about the time I rolled hider in a game. And he knows its my favorite role and I claimed to have gotten my favorite role. Im entirely certain Bacde saw my crumbs.

Maybe he is outplaying me by calling my bluff

, but I tend to doubt it.

He might be town

, but if hes scum then so are you.

That's not 100%, so there goes your straw house.

UNVOTE: Meh. I can touch SD's emotions. He's not scum.

"Happy to lynch: Majiffy, Kash, IFM, Rev": this is a most excellent list. Can you share your order of preference and your rationale?

-DGB

Majiffy's slot is bad, his play has been bad, yeah a worthwhile lynch.
IFM & Kash ~ I don't like their votes on Zed and view them as a potential bus
Rev - what the fuck has he down?

Now, answer my question on Hiraki.

In an attempt of objectiveness, care to point out any games of yours where you have replaced in as town and actually been good?

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=25583
Pretty much single-handedly won the game for town. Would you like more?

Still happy with my vote on SD. Game is highly unreadable. Zoidberg is probably the worst of them all. Losing interest in this game at a maddeningly rapid pace.

Much appreciated. And sure.

You replaced into Great Expectations and sucked.
You replaced into here and are sucking.

So that makes the sample size 2-1.

[SafetyDance]

Actually, the scummiest person on the wagon was kashoodle.

Spoiler: Follow:

VOTE: Zde

Agree with this.

This is eight posts into Day 2 (JFS was #654).

Now no reason was given until a couple of days after and it was this:

More confident about Xeg.

Zde was null-ish for me yesterday but scummy today

, especially his interaction with Hiraki and trying to shove something onto AP in #724. Your tunneling on me is stupid but I do agree with you and have agreed with you about Xeg/Zde since early Day 1 so whatever.

See the discrepancy here?

Voted for Zed early on in the day, then gave reason for him being scummy AFTER that post, not before it.

Spoiler: Btw,

P-edit: @Safety, I know you're trolling since I just died and flipped town in the only game we're in together but uhhhhhhhhh okay.

Modkilled for... dying in a game that's public access? I'm not stating a secret. It's the only other game I was in/have been posting in.

For the record here, I'm not in or have been in any games with kash, so 771 makes no sense if he was being serious in 763.

Mind you there's IFM:

Spoiler:

I assume it was different enough from your town meta that he considered it your scum.

After being the second leading wagon yesterday Yoshi has done nothing today. It seems like he is trying to stay out of the spotlight now that the pressure is off of him.

Vote RandomYoshi

I don't have any problems with absta and in my eyes he is leaning town.

I wouldn't have any major problems with voting Zde, but I think we need to get some pressure on Yoshi to get him posting.

Also sorry about my inactivity for most of the day so far. I was at a convention until late last night and wasn't able to read through stuff today.

Soft-bussing on a partner

To then do this:

Oh thought he was a lot closer to being lynched. In that case.

Vote Zdenek

With no content, no reason and on the whole, his 16 posts contain SFA.

[SafetyDance]

I have 18 pages to read, iso'ing led to head explosion and I don't know what the fuck happened/is happening. Today is busy so it's not happening (full catchup) till tonight at the earliest but maybe Friday night.

Unvote

[SafetyDance]

Oh hi HD, OMGUS. Literally.

I have 18 pages to read, iso'ing led to head explosion and I don't know what the fuck happened/is happening. Today is busy so it's not happening (full catchup) till tonight at the earliest but maybe Friday night.

Unvote

Only post during the whole Bacde fiasco.
Not a single contribution to the discussion. Not one.

>comes into game see's 18 unread posts. No time to read them all, mentions that
>comes back next day to see thread locked
>100% scum!

HumanTunneller, you really haven't thought this through.

Trying to use AP's outdated reasons to support your theory is even worse than Hiraki's tunnelling.

Really annoyed that I had to spend the night, which is meant to be a break from the game, reading through all that fucking dribble.

Hey I fucking replaced into this shit

give me some cred yo

I give you credit for helping the spamathon and and the circle-jerk. Congratulations, you've won a 50% discount voucher from AP's Fake-Claim Emporium!

Whatever, lynch me, you can afford a mislynch, not that it's going to remove any noise because I'm not part of your straight-jacket jamboree.

DGB, total <3 of this game. Sheep the Flaming Laser Pumpkin!

[SafetyDance]

Really, the only thing that came out of all that play and the flip was that IFM was the likely lynch tomorrow. Why is he not now?

Also consider we've had two Goon flips and a SK.

Tracker/Doc/Nurse vs Goon/Goon/Scum PR vs SK?

Seems to over-powered Town for me. Something's not right.

Is there a possibility of 4 scum? Not sure how'd you balance 8v4v1 though

Also, keeping a doctor/nurse alive? LOL

So yeah, once I flip VT, lynch a PR tomorrow. That includes the FlyingRat.

Should also be talking about why a VT can nail scum so accurately. Outside of cheating, doesn't that strike as odd? Especially since he was knocked out before said doc claims?

[SafetyDance]

Outside of cheating, doesn't that strike as odd? Especially since he was knocked out before said doc claims?

Yeah, I'm going to suggest you never ever try to defend yourself again because this alone is absolute crap.

Pull that tracking beacon out of your arse.

A lying VT correctly pushes 2 scum wagons WITH NO REASONING and you think I'm crap? Also you must play on a different site to me where doc claims are worshipped like cows in India and never night-killed.

Wow, you really did put me in my place. Sure did prove me wrong bucko. Putting in your nom for a perfect-town scummy right now!

[SafetyDance]

And yet a D1 result on who he saved would clear that person and we have...nothing?

I don't trust the PR claims that have come out and if there is another/more

town

PR out there as well then I certainly wouldn't you trust any of you as well.

[SafetyDance]

We don't even know if the doc saved the nk target night one.

For all we know there could be a Traitor. There's your four scum and opens up a possible reason why IFM didn't kill.

Pedit - How can AP be confirmed town if he has no action? Also IFM is a doc not a role cop.

P-pedit - That lying VT claim....HE'S DEAD!!!! Continue to be asinine! Third sentence, nice exit strategy for my flip!

[SafetyDance]

Serious, look at my Zed interaction, he's just posted it so its all easy. Then look at kashoodles, Hiraki and IFM and their vote and interactions. If anyone can come up with a

rational

,

coherent

,

plausible

argument for me bussing over any of them, I will self-vote.

This has become relevant again. Offer still stands.

[SafetyDance]

ad hom, ad hom, whatcha gunna do, watcha gunna do when they target it you

[SafetyDance]

Should also be talking about why a VT can nail scum so accurately. Outside of cheating, doesn't that strike as odd? Especially since he was knocked out before said doc claims?

Would you like to tell me what the point of mentioning this is?
Because it's quite useless.

How is it useless? It's not like he came out and made a case. No, he lied about his alignment then said, I'll explain later. THEN DIED

[SafetyDance]

Let's just clear something up here.

AP was calling one of either the Nurse/Doc scum up above in the shit post I posted before.

Now, he's saying that I'm doing some mumbo jumbo planning.

That's a 5 player scum team. Please, continue to insult me with your idiotic nonsense. Perhaps the Manhood Academy would be a more suitable place for you.

The make in sense post this not does.

[SafetyDance]

There is no Ad Hom in any of the posts that I've posted today and if there's even a hint of it, then no one really cares about it because the main points are quite prevalent. Good job on doing a nice quick dodge on the question though.

Spoiler:

How fucking dumb are you?

Is SD just stupid or what I really don't know.

in the shit post I posted before.

butthurtttttttttttttttttttt

but continue to be butthurtttttt

because this alone is absolute crap.

[SafetyDance]

Fine, so all PR's currently outed are town and there's definitely none that haven't been outed. So you lynch between the VT's. That's not just me, that's

SD, HD, PM, BBM, DZMD

But hey, tunnel away.

[SafetyDance]

A serial killer is not part of a scum team. Da fuck.

Now who's being illogical?

[SafetyDance]

IFM

said in the QT

that he targeted me on N1/N2 and Hiraki N3

There be your problem.

^ We can dance if you wanna. We can leave SD behind. Cause his friends are scum and if his friends are scum, then they aint no friends of mine.

I see you're taking the 3rd chorus, last line really to heart. Good job.

can we just lynch

this idiot

he literally quoted bbmolla as part as my adhom and quoted me calling him butthurt

because i'm sure that everyone will take that adhom super seriously

besides, ad hom is not asking a rhetorical question, calling something bad, and using an easy way to reference a post that I had originally called crap

...and again.

Sorry, didn't realise when I said 'they' I meant you specifically. Gosh you know me better than myself. I don't really care at this stage if people take it seriously but your accusations on me have been just ad hom and posts that don't make a lot of sense.

It could be a playstyle thing, but SD is proposing all sorts of implausible (and improbable) situations and it makes me feel good about scumreading him. Also, lol. Bacde/Zd/{Someone that isn't absta/SD/IFM} decided to kill RachMarie? MMMMMMMM

Still trying to pin the RM kill on me. I don't even know the dame. Rofl. I hope you feel terrible about yourself after I flip...that's if your ego lets you.

[SafetyDance]

SD who is scum?

If we're only doing the Milli Vanillis?

S->T
PM, HD, BBM, DZMD, SD

The ironical thing about your slot is that even if you do end up being scum, DGB's consternations yesterday were in the towns interest and if none of that happened we'd be better of for it. So w/e.

I don't trust all the PRs, rope me for it if you like but I don't find anything trustworthy in it. AP's been trolling all game, IFM was suspect #1 yesterday after Bacde and Hiraki's been tunnelling me since the start and has shit reasoning.

I don't think all the PRs are outed, so I think its unfair to criticise for setup spec but I don't really care if mass claim happens today or not.

I just expect people to have a better case than Hiraki's or HD's but that would be expecting too much.

[SafetyDance]

but your accusations on me have been just ad hom and posts that don't make a lot of sense.

Can you pinpoint which posts don't make sense?

Because so far this is the first time I've heard this and no one else has said that my arguments are bad/not understandable. Even BBmolla has said that you've called 5 people scum. Can you please explain that this time?

Let's just clear something up here.

AP was calling one of either the Nurse/Doc scum up above in the shit post I posted before.

Now, he's saying that I'm doing some mumbo jumbo planning.

That's a 5 player scum team. Please, continue to insult me with your idiotic nonsense. Perhaps the Manhood Academy would be a more suitable place for you.

I can't explain why you and BBM think that I'm thinking there's a 5 player scum team. That's your own conclusions not mine, I have never said that.

EWBOP: Also, can you address that only one of your ad homs are actually ad hom or is highlighting cuss words your forte even if they're not ad hom.

Because everything towards me has been an insult. I couldn't care less personally, duck off a water's back, but they're still ad homs and shouldn't be used to fluff a case up.

[SafetyDance]

Since it appears to be open season with no recriminations...

ENGLISH, MOTHERFUCKERS, DO YOU SPEAK IT?!?!!?!

You pack or moronic retards who have left their brains at the door. Mod included.

Let's disseminate the fucking post:

Should also be talking about why a VT can nail scum so accurately. Outside of cheating, doesn't that strike as odd? Especially since he was knocked out before said doc claims?

Outside of cheating, doesn't that strike as odd?

Outside of cheating

,

doesn't that strike as odd?

READ THE WHOLE FUCKING GODDAMN FUCKING SENTENCE YOU PACK OF ILLITERATE MONKEYS.

"Outside of cheating" [COMMA] as in you know, put it to one side, remove it as an option, it's irrelevant, it's a scenario that's highly implausible.

DOES ANY OF THOSE WORDS GET THROUGH? DO-YOU-UNDER-STAND-THEM?

But hey you know, fucking strawman one part of the sentence so you can misunderstand everything and don't even fucking bother to read what I'm saying because hey, confirmation bias, who needs scumhunting when you have that to hold your hand.

Just keep pretending your circle-jerk actually matters and has done something this game.

...and just presuming that you three as this town's PR roles when we haven't had massclaim, when we don't KNOW if anyone else is a PR is fucking retarded, but it's nothing surprising for this town.

Go on, lynch me so I can laugh in all your faces.

[SafetyDance]

HD, tunnelling isn't a scum case, just like Hiraki doesn't have anything relevant. But I guess a broken clock is right twice a day, which account for any decent actions in past games.

Hiraki, you are being fucking idiotic and retarded.

I DONT KNOW WHO THE LAST SCUM(S) IS! I don't know if there's one or two left but guess what sunshine, Thinking you're scummy and thinking the doctors could be scummy does not mean I think you're all scum singing kumbaya . That fucking logic is stupid. Does that mean if someone in an open setup has more then the listed amount of scum as scummy reads then they must be scum because of it? Fucking hell...

[SafetyDance]

HD who'd you have killed last night?

Hahaha and useless shit like this, this matters?

Yeah, I can totally see you cracking open the game with these loaded-wifom questions

[SafetyDance]

We had two people aggressively push 'Follow the Cop' and guess what? HE WASN'T A COP!

But hey, ignore it, because you guys have this game in the bag!

[SafetyDance]

....not!

[SafetyDance]

Lmao, dat hammer.

[SafetyDance]

Outside of cheating, doesn't that strike as odd? Especially since he was knocked out before said doc claims?

What are you trying to say? Absta was a vt and played like a champ. What is there to read in to about it? The part about why wasn't IFM killed is a different thought altogether and obviously he was prolly going to get lynched if Hiraki didn't clear him.

Absta wasn't playing like a champ though. He gave no reads, just "he's scum" and when pushed to shove, he claimed cop.

WHY?!?

is the big fucking question here. SFW he was right twice in a row, that's irrelevant because he was just as easily could have been wrong. If it insinuates another PR, THEN YOU (TOWN) SHOULDN'T BE THINKING ALL YOU PR's ARE CLEAR!!! But hey, just keep staring into your mirror.

HE IS TRYING TO GET PEOPLE TO REALIZE SCUM-HIM KNEW ABSTA WAS LYING AND WOULDN'T MAKE THE KILL

In a town full of retards you take the special sticker.

Yes, I am cryptically playing against my wincon so I lose this game.



THIS IS SARCASM FOR THOSE WHO DO NOT REALISE THAT (making sure, have to spell it out here)

[SafetyDance]

VOTE: SAFETYDANCE

IF IM WRONG, THEN FUCK ME.

You are. So don't worry, I have a friend called 'Bubba' who will.

[SafetyDance]

You're not the sharpest tools in the shed so here's some help for what you have to figure out:

~Whether HD is playing like he is for self-preservation
~Whether Mollie is lurking because she's all alone
~Whether BBM really is just trying to play too obv scum
~Whether DRZ is taking advantage of your derp-play to appear town
~Whether there is/was a traitor
~Who, after that big circlejerk, you need to give $10 too (cheap-asses!)

Not going to say goodluck because if there is only one scum left then you're going get them through stumbling your way there, not through any effective scumhunting.