Mini 1433 - State Farm Mafia - Game over

[kashoodles]

VOTE: absta101

VOTE: Brighteyedfish

I can get on this wagon.

UNVOTE:

VOTE: Lurker

For jumping on two different bandwagons already with no contribution otherwise. Also, for living up to namesake.

[kashoodles]

I have no idea if any of you are being serious and retarded or joking and retarded.


I'm going to bury my head in the sand until something picks up.

Something picks up? A lot has picked up. I'm assuming you're talking about Zoidberg - at least he's sparking discussion. I see you came back, though.

UNVOTE:

I had a vote placed for far to long. its Icky :<

and yes, to much of an advantage if scum. you have two heads, meaning twice the thinking power.

This is such a bad post

Vote:Marangal

How this that a bad post? Don't agree with MM's point exactly, but hydras as scum can always say they disagree with their heads and blame any contrasting views on being two different people. Or say "I wish (insert hydra partner head here) would let me vote (target) but he/she won't let me! Darn! Instead I vote (other target)."

[kashoodles]

as for the hydras, im not sure if i've ever played with one but imo twice as many people means twice as many opportunities to fuck up as scum

They can, but they can also use their multiple accounts to their advantage. Played in a game previously (on my old account before one of you bums say I've never completed a game) where the two different accounts conflicted on votes. One would want to vote someone but would say the other wouldn't allow it. It makes it easy to be wishy washy while having a "legitimate" excuse.

[kashoodles]

I thought I had tagged more things to quote... hmm. Re-read through the pages.

@Bacde

^^If I wasn't already happy with my vote right now I'd hop on

Brighteyedfish and Xeg for scum

who's the third?

Can you explain this? At this point, you sheeped BrightEyedFish from Zoidberg, which is fine, we were in RVS-ish stage, but then you say this. Literally all BrightEyedFish said at that point was "Nice list... How'd you come up with it?"

I'm confused also as to why you're voting Rev, especially because his confusion is similar to mine about the comment quoted. You seem semi-serious yet semi-trolling (or just semi-trying to copy Zoidberg?).

[kashoodles]

Man, I'm so bad at words. Not voting, but still super FoSing him.

[kashoodles]

I thought I had tagged more things to quote... hmm. Re-read through the pages.

@Bacde

^^If I wasn't already happy with my vote right now I'd hop on

Brighteyedfish and Xeg for scum

who's the third?

Can you explain this? At this point, you sheeped BrightEyedFish from Zoidberg, which is fine, we were in RVS-ish stage, but then you say this. Literally all BrightEyedFish said at that point was "Nice list... How'd you come up with it?"

It takes about 10 seconds of original thought to realize that Zoidberg made a list with all of the players who had posted as "Town" (except Ms Marangal who was "iffy" for voting Zoidberg) and everyone else as scum

since BEF didn't realize this, I figured he was scum for not being fully mentally present in the game. Scum are in a different headspace than town and often aren't able to replicate the analytic thought process town have

now he just seems derp

I actually didn't notice that either. Mostly because I just don't pay attention when people make lists of people they think are town/maf within the first couple pages. I see your reasoning, though I don't agree with it. There's a lot going on in RVS, usually, so random list could be random.

I'm confused also as to why you're voting Rev, especially because his confusion is similar to mine about the comment quoted. You seem semi-serious yet semi-trolling (or just semi-trying to copy Zoidberg?).

Its gut based on the way Rev has been playing this game

But I think Hiraki is more likely to be scum than Rev, #75 was too bad

you should vote for Hiraki

I'm not convinced about your case on Hiraki enough. I didn't quite understand why you were openly talking about fencing on Hiraki but his reaction to it was also a bit over the top. Anyway, I want Lurker to talk. Lurker has seriously not been helpful at all and still is allowed to slide. Though I guess it's only page 4, but it's still been enough time to post more than switching from one bandwagon to the next.

kashoodles's slot is conftown.

Missed this first time. AW SHPANX.

[kashoodles]

Why only call out Lurker though? Safety and I both have posted very little in this game, and what I have posted so far can easily be called fluff. no scum hunting can be found in any of my posts at all

It's true, but Lurker has literally voted to join a bandwagon (granted, a one vote wagon), then voted to join a bandwagon again. I would like a response rather than just let him slide.

Your first post had more content and reasoning than either of his. SafetyDance, while also only posting a couple times, has contributed something. Lurker has not done anything and I want to call him out on it so he won't continue to do it.

[kashoodles]

^great post.

VI right here. ^

I looked that up on the Wiki and lawled.

[kashoodles]

Side note: I really don't like how in #41 Safety doesn't vote me, notices my behavior, then votes for me WITH THE EXACT SAME REASONING. I don't know why he waited, but it is nothing in and of itself.

Keyblade is acting pretty badly.

He gets into a breif flame war as soon as he is in the game, Talks about ongoing games, Continues this until page 5, where he votes for someone with a replacement, Then IMMEDIATLEY backslides and wails "why are you lynching meeee", and then tries to get Safety onto another wagon, following by saying there is no reasoning for his wagon, even though he stated "You're overreacting", which at this stage of the game is more then sufficient to warrant a vote.

VOTE: Keybladeweilder

Nice of you to join us.

Posting more substantive post shortly.

[kashoodles]

Shit you dudez.

Do you care for my answer to this question? You haven't pushed it or mentioned that I still haven't answered it.

It was a rhetorical question.

What were you expecting scum-absta would do in response to your pressure vote?

Nothing particular. Don't know how you would react as town or scum so thought it would be educational to see any reaction.

Reaction test-y - scummy, especially you admit to not know what absta would do. So you can twist it to how you want?

The fact that I've been watching your games and live been an idiot in every one of them is incredibly bad for you

I know a bunch of people already commented on this, what kind of bullshit reason is this?

Prod doge.

If anyone's being an idiot, admitting to being an idiot, then they should be lynched in an instant on day one.

Also a bullshit reason. Rev hadn't been the most town ever, but he was being attacked by someone constantly calling him an idiot.

Rev, I fail to see your logic here. You say that calling you scummy and listing reasons for said accusation, that puts me in a scum position. How?

What is your logic? You say you have proof of his scumminess yet the only thing you are doing is calling him an idiot/scum. Specific posts? Specific reasons?

Also, you need to calm down. I won't call you a Idiot anymore, BUT that doesn't change my opinion. Post some real content, and then well see.

I'm voting you because the Village Idiots get lynched first for being dumb.

It's happened to me a thousand times. So don't get all pissy with me over a name.

This is the Internet dude, you can't take stuff seriously.

What the hell is this? Can you please explain this, or even what Rev was doing being dumb enough for you to go on this tirade?

No. I'm voting you because you are you, and as such are sounding scummy as crap.

I'm not providing your games because they are both going on right now.

Proof of scumminess? Outside of "stupidity?"

Nothing particular. Don't know how you would react as town or scum so thought it would be educational to see any reaction.

You are so scum.

How so?

Mind if i ask a newbie question?
In a game with 13 players, how many scum would you expect?

Town-ish, though could be faking. Could flip either way.

Nothing particular. Don't know how you would react as town or scum so thought it would be educational to see any reaction.

You are so scum.

How so?

Mind if i ask a newbie question?
In a game with 13 players, how many scum would you expect?

3 is the norm

why is it so important for you to pretend to be newbie-town?

I'm inclined to disagree that this is pretending until we've played more. Seems like you're just trying to find a reason to point fingers.

Requesting a replacement?
UNVOTE: Revenus

VOTE: BrightEyedFish
Seems fishy to me (sorry bad pun)

WTF? you have to Unvote first. Why am I scummy here?

Give me 2 reasons.

Again, others got to you about this, but you're literally jumping from convenient bandwagon to convenient bandwagon. You give no reasoning for your votes. You claim to have proof of scumhunting yet have not provided it. You're getting super defensive on votes from you.

I just... ugh

I'm starting to think KBW's play is conf. scum play in my eyes but w/e

KBW got super jumpy as fuck when SD moved his vote on him, Scum being jumpy?

You've been kind of slipping through this game. What are your thoughts of people outside of bandwagons/people under the spotlight?

Ok, just finished reading through the thread and I can definitely see why you guys would want to lynch my slot. With that being said their could be a host of other reason's why Fish would sub out and being noob scum definitely isn't the case in this situation. I'd like you guys to step back and consider that you can't make a meta-read off his scum play and before he asked to be subbed you thought he was more a derp than anything else. Personally, I think he didn't know how to respond to pressure and choose instead to sub out instead of jeopardizing the town's chances. It has already been established that he didn't know how to play the game that well, so jumping to considering my slot scum based on that is a bit of a stretch imo.

Key immediately asking for reasons when he was voted seems extremely scummy too me. In my experience when people do that they are scum, who think they haven't given any reason to be voted. That causes them to immediately ask for the reason to the vote instead of pushing it off like a town alligned person would do.

As a result:

UNVOTE: whoever fish voted

Side note: I really don't like how in #41 Safety doesn't vote me, notices my behavior, then votes for me WITH THE EXACT SAME REASONING. I don't know why he waited, but it is nothing in and of itself.

Keyblade is acting pretty badly.

He gets into a breif flame war as soon as he is in the game, Talks about ongoing games, Continues this until page 5, where he votes for someone with a replacement, Then IMMEDIATLEY backslides and wails "why are you lynching meeee", and then tries to get Safety onto another wagon, following by saying there is no reasoning for his wagon, even though he stated "You're overreacting", which at this stage of the game is more then sufficient to warrant a vote.

VOTE: Keybladeweilder

VOTE: Keybladewielder

I don't know if I particularly like the beginning of your intro - it feels a bit like pandering and dissociating from any previous scummy actions.

Though Keyblade has been reacting pretty badly, it's a convenient wagon to go off of as a replacement.

Overall, null read for me - could also be genuine town reads.

I don't give a crap if IFM is my neighbor, he's my vote.

Why would you out this info? There was absolutely no reason for you to. Did the e provide you any info that made you think this?

On a side note, I had to look it up on Wiki and I don't really understand this role. So it's just two people who talk in a separate chat but can be town/maf or town/town?

You realize I'm about to freaking ragequit.

I'm not trying to be anti town, that's just vow they are interpreting it.

Okay, look. You have provided nothing but namecalling and jumping on bandwagons. Can you give us something to go off of? I don't know how we can not interpret it as anti-town. You're being childish. Everything outside of the past couple posts you come off as scummy. Your jumping between bandwagons and bullshit reasons for voting Rev are scummy. Your rage actually makes me think you're super frustrated townie or scum playing townie being frustrated about not being called townie for it. Can you give reasoning for your votes on Rev that aren't "he's stupid"? Why did you switch from Rev to BEF/IFM so easily?

[kashoodles]

Get this through your obviously thick skull:

I DON'T LIKE REV.

Now, I can deal with his bullshit for another day to eliminate the Fish guy, but jeez.

Pedit: You know what I'm talking about, rev. You know.

Seriously, WHAT IS YOUR REASONING? You seem to be so fucking angry yet have literally zero reasoning for why you are so honed in on Rev. There were already some cases on Rev before you entered and started the whole VI thing - what, do you agree with them? Do you have outside reasoning? Are you just plain bitter because he lost a game for you in a different game? You're not saying a damn thing and you're wondering why people want to vote you? Because you're playing incredibly shitty and getting defensive about how shitty you are playing and continue to get angry while giving nothing at all!

I still feel Lurker is coasting by, comfortably latching on to the Keyblade wagon here because Key's getting the most heat for playing like an idiot. I don't think we should let up on his posts just because he's in agreement with most of town. Lurker, what do you think about anyone else in the game outside of the biggest wagon/case?

I also think it's interesting he pops back in right now, when Keyblade is at the peak of his wagon.

No, I was not referring to a current game, I was referring to how much I despise you.

Wow why was it necessary to mention the neighborhood?

Well now that Key outed the neighborhood thing I might as well explain it. Basically we can talk during pre-game or during nights. It gives no promise of alignment and when I checked the only message was a fluff one from fish.

Now ever since I made my first post Key has been acting extremely childish. I wouldn't say this is 100% scummy, but extremely anti-town and hasn't been backed up by any major contributions. He also seems to be locked in on Rev and I, but really hasn't given any substantial reason for it. I mean seriously, voting someone because you despise them is absolutely awful play and unless he mans up and actually starts contributing I think we should probably vote him.

Keyblade

, why did you out?

I don't despise you as a person, just as a player.

Reason? Apparently, Rev does not know why, like you say.

@Rev

Why?

You still haven't put any reason forward.

Does it matter? IMO, she's probably lying/exaggerating. Why would she replace into a game with you in it?

@KeyBlade

- You can answer that. ^

Keyblade didn't replace into this game.

So you can twist it to how you want?

I could have, but i didnt. Did i?

To be completely honest, i dont have any solid reads at the moment. Slightly intimidated by the size of this game.

I agree with Hiraki that fish may have rage quited as scum so my vote is staying on his replacement. But would like to hear more from IFM before calling him scum or not.
Keyblade seems to be trying too hard, but with the attention he is getting and the pressure on him, it looks understandable to me.
I dont like the fact that he's getting a little too emotional.

You didn't twist it how you wanted to because absta questioned your lack of questioning him and you admitted it was for reaction test reasons, yet say that there was a null reaction.

I have no idea why you say voting for Keyblade is a bad idea. This screams scummy to me. Have you seen his play at all? He has given zero explanation. What is your defense again for him? That he's trying "too hard"? In what way? He literally only says, "Rev is an idiot! He's also scummy! Oh, replacement vote. Why are you voting me? I'm so mad!"

His posts leading up to his bandwagon/now:
#103, #104, #108, #120, #122, semi-reasonable #126, #130, no reason to out but outs anyway? #138, #140 the only not super scummy post because he gets frustrated. Though this could also be a scum acting village and it backfiring.

VOTE: Xegarus

So Xeg, why are you defending him so much when he has literally no case on anyone else/his own playing?

Similarly, MM, why are you so keen to defend him as well?

Quick reply:

Is it that hard to pay attention to what is going on in the game?

Its more of a combination of not having as much free time and it being a bigger game than i am used to.

Okay, now you're a strong scum read. Using the 'noob card' like this is something I've done before as scum.

If I wasn't voting Keyblade I'd be voting you.

.........i used the 'noob card'?
Where?
It certainly isn't in the quote.
And why not vote for me if i am a strong scum read? Your reason for voting Keyblade is pretty shit. All you have said about it is 'over reacting'.
VOTE: absta
Stop grasping for straws.

Again, how can you say absta's reasoning is shit? It's pretty apparent. And you're using the noob card by saying that the game is too big for you to comment on, therefore you are justified in not commnenting.


P-edit:
Zoidberg, why are you also so defensive on Key as well when he has not given any content?

[kashoodles]

Vote: Xegarus

alright guys lets do this

Why jump on this now? You mentioned you thought he was fake before yet don't make a move until two of us have voted. What pushed you to this? You seem way too eager about this.

[kashoodles]

My mistake - you voted after absta. But still, what is your tipping point motivation?

[kashoodles]

before absta*

[kashoodles]

^^town

This was before full blown Keyblade, but you seem to ignore all of his interactions with people and jump right on the Xeg lynch. Why are you ignoring a big part of town discussion yet selecting to jump on Xeg's lynch?

[kashoodles]

Merrp, really long day, have to sleep now.

@Kashoodles: I am beginning to think a scum read on both KBW and Revenus.

@Lurker: How come?

[kashoodles]

dear dr zoidberg
has kbw done anything scummy or antitown this game, in your opinion?

You're scum; we're not obligated to answer your questions. Now sit there in the corner while we finish finding your buddies.

I really doubt Zoidberg is scum but I think the tunneling on Rev is a bit over the top. Not in a scummy way, in a "I'm starting to not understand your logic for it" kind of way. Zoidberg seems super town to me.

[kashoodles]

Perhaps its my ADHD fueled Sugar High!

It is not scummy at all.

Go ahead and vote, you'll be down a town member and I'll be able to focus on the other 5 games I'm playing.

I know you're V/LA but can you give another reasoning outside of "he is scum because I don't like his attitude"? I'm truly baffled by your playing in this game and am trying to find a thread of logic of what you are saying but can't. I'm also really confused why people are so passionately declaring you town because I just plain don't get your motives at all, outside of trolling.

@Kashoodles: I am beginning to think a scum read on both KBW and Revenus.

Beginning? They are, plus Xeg, pretty highly focused upon. Any reasons for this? Any tells on anyone else?

and then follows up with a bad absta vote (who I've been reading as town)

So you're buying his crappy wagon jumping?
You're buying his evidentless reason for voting?
Fine, buddy your scum partner. When i flip town, the two of you'll be in the firing line.

Yuck, that last line.

Xeg, do you ACTUALLY think absta/Bac is maf? absta's case on you makes sense - you seemed to FoS him early for little to no motivation, admitted that you didn't have that motivation.
Bacde's I find a little bit more opportunistic, though he commented on your noob-scumminess earlier, he didn't place a vote until I did. Though this could also be for pressure voting, I find it a little weird he jumped on it right when I did.

/confirm and reading up

Welcome!

I'm also curious for Zoidberg's answer on Rev as scum.

[kashoodles]

Ruh roh, never finished my ISO's yesterday. Will try to get it sometime today, though I'm semi-VLA-ing for the next couple days.

IFM wagon is interesting - Hiraki, why IFM?

Hearing from KBW and Zoidberg more in general would be super!

[kashoodles]

Ruh roh, never finished my ISO's yesterday. Will try to get it sometime today, though I'm semi-VLA-ing for the next couple days.

IFM wagon is interesting - Hiraki, why IFM?

Hearing from KBW and Zoidberg more in general would be super!

Trying to leave the Xeg waggon?

We can deal with IFM tomorrow. Xeg is our man today.

btw Kash, how much experience do you have?

When did I imply getting off xeg again? Putting words where they don't exist?

I'm actually questioning people not on kbw or xeg, because I want to hear their reasoning for it.

I played mafia on a forum not related to mafia so it wasn't taken seriously, found MS in 2008, and then played epic mafia for a while. Forgot about both for five years, suddenly remembered this existed and am back.

[kashoodles]

@ Hiraki

I'm still voting IFM.

Thoughts on Xegarus?

My hydra partner thinks he's overwhelmed town.

-DGB

Any reason? Also, what do you feel about xeg outside of your hydra?

[kashoodles]

V/LAing for rest of day.

[kashoodles]

I still think keyblade is scum.

Let's examine your case on keyblade for a bit:

Side note: I really don't like how in #41 Safety doesn't vote me, notices my behavior, then votes for me WITH THE EXACT SAME REASONING. I don't know why he waited, but it is nothing in and of itself.

Keyblade is acting pretty badly.

He gets into a breif flame war as soon as he is in the game, Talks about ongoing games, Continues this until page 5, where he votes for someone with a replacement, Then IMMEDIATLEY backslides and wails "why are you lynching meeee", and then tries to get Safety onto another wagon, following by saying there is no reasoning for his wagon, even though he stated "You're overreacting", which at this stage of the game is more then sufficient to warrant a vote.

VOTE: Keybladeweilder

Just outlining what he's done is not evidence of anything. What is the scum motivation behind doing the things he's done? Why is getting into a brief flame war scummy? Why is talking about ongoing games scummy? Why is whatever else scummy?

You have to demonstrate that keyblade is coming from a scum mindset.

This looks like a well thought out response except for one thing:

I NEVER SAID

#1 That he was scum in this post.
#2 That I thought these things were scummy.

You are trying to figure out information that I don't have.

Rephrase the question or you get no answer from me.

I said that he was acting "Pretty Badly"

If he was acting pretty badly and you didn't think he was scum, why did you jump on the wagon when everyone else was starting to question him? I feel like you're trying to vague-spin your past post (which, coincidentally, is the biggest post you've made all day).

I'm also glad that more people are starting to see Lurker's lurkiness as something. He has been lurking most of day and hasn't come in with much more than vague filler.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Lurker

Can you elaborate any of your thoughts? It's been a while since we started the game and you have yet to say something outside of wagon-ed people with vague comments (like you said "pretty badly" but then claim that it doesn't actually equate scummy).

Would really like to hear more from Xeg/KBW once they're back from V/LA though.

[kashoodles]

Xeg's slot is scum and you guys are going to let him slide.

Ok, yeah this replacement request kind of screams nub scum. Let's see what the replacement does.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Xegarus/replacement

@ Kashooldes (Regarding #285, trying to avoid walls o quotes since i don't know how to do the spoiler thingy.)

Q1. Why I voted for Keyblade: The wagon I would say offically became official at post #121 (SafetyDance's vote), followed by IFM and me jumping on the wagon. Now, before this, I was voting BrightEyedFish, who then replaced out. When that slot got replaced by IFM, IFM's first post just screams TOWN TOWN TOWN to me.

He takes a really nice approach to replacing into a slot under scrutiny, and accepts the behavior of his last slot instead of getting a scapegoat for all the votes.

Whe KBW Reacted @ post #122, I saw one of the first tells I was taught in (Some open masons and mafia game, I can't find it right now): Overreacting is a scumtell.

This I found sufficient for a vote.

@Comment #2. I find what you found scummy of that post is not that I am lurking and not giving content, It's that I was backtracking and trying to change what I meant in order to change your read on me. As you said, it is more then just lurkiness, and lurkiness alone is not a sufficient reason IMO to lynch me.


I'll think about more things to comment on when I come back. Hopefully I will actually do it.

I like this post, but it still doesn't provide more outside your KBW suspicions. Glad that you realize what you are doing and are calling yourself on it, and, like you said at the end, you have yet to do it (including in this post), so yes, please provide some more content.

[kashoodles]

What the heck is nub scum? Did you mean newb scum?

Yes, or noob. My brother and I like to call newbs/noobs nub because it sounds funny.

[kashoodles]

He is owning up to what he did. While that does not completely exempt him or free him from what he did, I'm open to hearing more from him. His comment #2 - I don't think he would admit this as scum when I already viewed him as scum. Why would he give me more reason/clarity for my vote on him? Maybe it's a tactic, but it reads town to me.

Xeg quitting after being focused on seems weird to me, especially since he V/LAed but then decided to not come back from it. He was acting weirdly and I want to see what his replacement has to say about it. Reducing heat from someone because they quit and are replaced is an easy way, I feel, for the replacement to slip away for Day 1, especially with the catch up they have to do.

[kashoodles]

I'm finding it hard to follow the amount of games that I'm in.

Mod: I'm sorry, but please replace me.

;________________________________________________;

[kashoodles]

@Kash - Do you think it's possible that both KBW and IFM are town?

Yes. I don't really know how neighbors usually turn out, maf/town or town/town. This is the first time I've heard of neighbors.

I still really want to hear if KBW will come back with new insights or answers to my questions about his playing. I don't know why people are so confident about his town but I want to know why he was saying what he was saying/why it had anything to do with this game.

absta, just curious, why did you ask about my experience? Why was that relevant?

[kashoodles]

Oh God, I just got to the part where KBW outer the Neighbourhood. On that topic, are people still undecided on his alignment, by the way? I've seen arguments that supports him being Scum, and I've seen arguments that supports him being Town. Personally, I feel that he was frustrated Town who didn't know how to handle pressure at all, and decided to out the Neighbourhood out of pure frustration.

Completely unrelated to this, I don't like Bacde's quasi-OMGUS attack on Hiarki that lasted throughout pages 3-4. In fact, Hiarki only had Bacde in his lynchpool as a last resort, yet Bacde thought that Hiarki said that Bacde required death. To me, it seems like Bacde is afraid of being lynched. Bacde, are you Scum?

Hello!

Weak town reads on replacement.

Great, all we need is KBW to come back. He's posting elsewhere on site so hopefully will be back soon. It's stalled enough as it is.

Going through the playerlist:
Revenus
Lurker
absta
Zdenek
KBW
IFM

If there's not at least one scum in this group then god help us all, because nothing will save this town >.<

Going through playerlist - is this randomly selected? Apparently I'm not very good at picking up patterns, haha.

Hi.

I'll get to this today.

Hello! You have lots of 'splaining to do.

Hiarki, what do you think about Bacde?

He's scum...?

I'm trying to re-read your back and forth and it seems more like a slapfight than anything, haha.

@Lurker: Still waiting to hear some more stuff from you.

[kashoodles]

@kash - it's just something I usually ask possible scum reads.
How much scum experience do you have?

Zdnek doesn't have to explain anything that Xeg has done. All he has to do is 1)Make up some reads.
2) Get lynched.

I have played as scum once back when I was around in 2008. We lost, but it was also a themed game and things were (literally) exploding everywhere. I haven't finished a game since re-joining in 2013 so I can't really talk about those but you can browse through them if you want.

I'm not asking Zdnek to explain anything Xeg has done, though I guess my I Love Lucy joke comment made it seem like that. It's more "Why

Why do you find me (possibly) scummy? You seemed suspicious of me jumping off the Xeg wagon in #240 but seem to be putting words into my mouth about wanting to vote IFM. I said I found the IFM

wagon

interesting, not that I thought IFM was scummy, hence why I asked Hikari why he was voting for IFM. You made a big deal about Xeg twisting your words but are doing the same?

[kashoodles]

Oops. I suck at finishing sentences before starting new thoughts.

I'm not asking Zdnek to explain anything Xeg has done, though I guess my I Love Lucy joke comment made it seem like that. It's more "Why do you think there is a huge pressure on you now and who do you find scummy?"

[kashoodles]

kashoodles, what are your reads?

Going to do another read through, but currently:

My gut OMGUS at the moment is absta, but I don't think that would make sense. He's been really harsh on Xeg and Xeg had been dodge-y previously and their back and forth seems like they haven't interacted with each other. Could be town-town, but getting scum from both of them, so I think it's a scum-town relationship. Lurker's reaction to my questioning has led me to a town-ish feel, though his previous actions really seem scummy as fuck.

Zoidberg I read town-ish - though their reasonings are short, their statements are too polarizing for confident day 1 scum. I feel similarly about Bacde, though the Hiraki/Bacde back and forth seems weird, though I honestly haven't looked too deeply in either of their posts. Rev I feel is town who got stuck in a weird KBW insulting situation. IFM I really haven't read much about either but has been posting pretty town since BEF left. MM was pretty quiet this game, which was weird, but she did mention being in too many games. RachMarie replaced someone who didn't post much at all. Haven't gotten too much from her either. SafetyDance I feel has been somewhat going under the radar - someone I really do want to focus in on more. Nothing he's said has been particularly scummy, but I also feel like he's lurking during the best situations and pops in once in a while.

[kashoodles]

Oh, and I am still waiting to hear back from KBW, because I have no idea what the fuck that was.

[kashoodles]

@Mod: Zdenek replaced in for Xeg, correct? If so, my vote should be on Zdenek since my previous vote was on Xeg.

fixed

Kashoodles looks ok on page 6.

But then I dislike Kashoodle criticizing Bacde's vote on Xeg who she is also voting.

Kashoodles why did it matter whether Bacde voted before or after Absta here?

I think it's likely that you are both town.

This seems like a pretty unjustified double town read.

Kashoodles could you explain your read on Keyblade around page 7?

SafetyDance, I think that it is false that neighborhoods are always random.

On Bacde, he wasn't particularly on the Xeg case. He did question Xeg's noobiness in #115 but then immediately jumped on absta's vote. I found that a bit opportunistic and weird. He explains it in #202 but hadn't explained it before just voting. His reasoning was pretty solid, but again, he didn't mention any of this before his vote.

My read? I honestly don't know, at all. I don't understand why scum would do this, but I certainly don't know why town would do this. It's just rude and irrelevant and doesn't make any sense to me, so I want to know why. KBW never really responded and has since sort of disappeared. Everyone surrounding him (besides Rev) have pretty much called him frustrated town since then, which I also don't understand because he was the one who started the whole thing. I find no motivation from this whole thing, but am curious as to why he's so dead set on Rev.

Ahhh, thank you for reminding me. IFM is very likely town due to how BEF was acting.

Also, town will lose this game. Xeg replaces out and now no one is voting him. I wouldn't be surprised if Kash was his partner as well.
If you guys decide to lynch me, just lynch these two next and I'll be happy.

Can you explain why? You have yet to give me any concrete reasoning for why you feel this way outside of "possible scum feeling." You also never answered why you misrep-ed my questioning Hiraki about his IFM vote as a "jump of the Xeg wagon." It feels like you know something about the Xeg lynch that I don't and are trying to pin any mislynch on me.

[kashoodles]

What do you mean by "pin a mislynch on me"? Xeg isn't mislynch...
Why would I misrep you there anyway?

I must've misunderstood you. It seemed as if you were trying to leave the Xeg waggon after Hiraki (would have) told you why IFM was scummy.

It feels like you know something about the Xeg lynch that I don't...

Yeah, maybe i'm Xeg's scum partner. Or, maybe you are?

haha I mean, you keep saying that I've been trying to get off the lynch when I haven't, and when I asked you about it you didn't answer me the first time/ignored it and mentioned my scumminess again. But yeah, that's what I meant.

My gut OMGUS at the moment is absta, but I don't think that would make sense. He's been really harsh on Xeg and Xeg had been dodge-y previously and their back and forth seems like they haven't interacted with each other. Could be town-town, but getting scum from both of them, so I think it's a scum-town relationship.

In case it's a Scum-Town relationship, who is the Scum and who is the Town?

Xeg scum, absta town. absta seemed like he was suspicious of me though we were on the same wagon so I felt like he might possible be scum and Xeg town, but it was a miscommunication I guess.

Kash's first post was really town, but recently her play has been weird imo. I don't understand why she unvoted Lurker for what was a terrible post, and I keep feeling like she is trying to set me up for suspicion or a mislynch or something with her grilling me w/ questions but not voting me

I could see Kash as scum but actually I want to give Zdenek more time

I disagree - not a terrible post. While the post itself didn't have much progressive content, his reaction to me seemed town to me. It wasn't excuse-y and gave me a more thought out response to my vote. He hasn't posted anything since then, though.

[kashoodles]

Short Reads

1. RachMarie - Null
2. Revenus - Null
3. Hiraki - Slight town
4. RandomYoshi - Town
5. Doctor Zoidberg MD - Town
6. Bacde - Slight scum
7. Lurker - ????????
8. absta101 - Slight town
9. SafetyDance - Town
10. Kashoodles - Town
11. Zdenek - Null
12. Keybladeweilder-Slight scum
13. IFM- Town

I can elaborate on any one of them.

Like Zoidberg said, you have a lot of town reads but not a lot of scum ones. Can you elaborate on the scum/null?

SafetyDance I feel has been somewhat going under the radar - someone I really do want to focus in on more. Nothing he's said has been particularly scummy, but I also feel like he's lurking during the best situations and pops in once in a while.

Once in a while is actually quite regularly. I'm not likely to be in any spamguments, if that's what you're inferring too but I think I've been around fairly regularly. Aas for content, what do you expect when your two main targets leave? I do believe I mentioned my annoyance at that.

Which is why I wanted to focus in on your posts. I haven't really read through them as closely as I have others.

[kashoodles]

V/LA 'til Sunday, sorry.

noted

[kashoodles]

Feeling sick - sorry for not being around. Hopefully it'll be gone tomorrow.

I don't like that Lurker has basically kind of returned to dodging around when people stopped pressing on him, but still find him town-ish.

Rev's latest posts read town to me.

absta is starting to rub me the wrong way. I really feel like he's trying to set me up for something.

[kashoodles]

Kash, I'm one person who finds you scum. What am I setting you up for? Do you honestly think scum-absta would expect people to follow him on just a simple "fake" gut scum read?

Me having a scum read on you is null. I don't see how it can rub you the wrong way. I think you're talking crap.

It's more like you keep mentioning it as an extra afterthought that is unnecessary in the situation. I wouldn't find it weird except you keep bringing it up. Though I was skimming yesterday and Rev asking you about it was part of it so that was partly influencing it.

When did I say I expected people to follow you now? It just seems like you keep bringing up these points now for something later on, like after the lynch today. Especially because you mention it but have yet to vote me and push for different lynches.

[kashoodles]

I'm Back.

Lurker :L Can you explain your scum tells a little more?

Why don't you have a single strong scumread?

Why is that scummy behavior? Is it not possible for town-Lurker to not have any strong reads? (Note he IS voting his 'strongest' read)

363 DOES look town though. Lurker isn't trying to appease anyone. Its like how RY voted him for not having any 'scum' reads and only light scum reads. Scum-lurker is more likely to pad his reads list in a way to avoid that sort of crappy suspicion. Its the same way I id'd Darthe as town in NY159 for going all D2 without voting anyone. Its just a small thing that people WILL call you scummy for and that scum players WILL avoid doing for that reason. Also he doesn't bother justifying any of those reads very much which gives me town vibes for the same reason. WIFOM, etc.

@Kash:

Feel better : ). I think Im mostly over my flu/cold.

I do feel similarly about RY's feelings on Lurker. He has been kind of getting by and jumped a wagon out of convenience. I don't like that when he does come back, he doesn't post a lot unless pressured (and when pressure's off he jumps back in again to lurk), and tells us that he is here but doesn't contribute much. His one town post was followed by disappearing and not saying much.

And thanks! Feeling much better after sleeping (and sleeping in until 3... oops).

@Kash

It's more like you keep mentioning it as an extra afterthought that is unnecessary in the situation. I wouldn't find it weird except you keep bringing it up. Though I was skimming yesterday and Rev asking you about it was part of it so that was partly influencing it.

Not "partly", fully! I was responding to him...

It just seems like you keep bringing up these points now for something later on, like after the lynch today.

What? Why would that be helpful to scum-absta. Even if I were scum and you were right about me setting something up, how would I know who would get lynched?

So scum can make connections within players D1 to have a bigger support of it D2. Of course you don't know who's going to get lynched. You just seem to keep pushing my lynch WITH Xeg's for some reason, even though I have been voting Xeg too. So why are you pushing for my lynch with Xeg's so much? That's why it feels weird. It makes me think Xeg is town and you are trying to make it seem like I pushed a mislynch or Xeg is scum and you are trying to push a buss.

I mean, even before Rev:
#339, #418. Also the asking about experience for scum.

[kashoodles]

@Kash

That's why it feels weird. It makes me think Xeg is town and you are trying to make it seem like I pushed a mislynch

This obviously doesn't work because i'm the one pushing his lynch the hardest.

Xeg is scum and you are trying to push a buss.

Push a buss?
You mean to say i'm trying to sacrifice Xeg/Zed for the small chance of getting town-you with him? If scum-absta wanted you dead, why not just NK you? Generally scum go after more easier targets. I'm like the only one who is suspicious of you. It doesn't make sense.

You're trying to make me seem ridiculous when it's a legitimate thing.

If Xeg is scum and you are scum, you're pushing for his lynch and yet also trying to create a second lynch on me, whether today or tomorrow. People don't seem to be paying attention to your Xeg/Zde lynch so you're targeting the only other person on that lynch?

Um, I didn't say "scum-absta" wanted me dead? Who ever said that? Why are you misrepresenting what I'm saying? I'm saying you're trying to make me look bad on the

lynch you yourself are pushing for.

I don't care if you're the only one suspicious of me. It's weird to me that you keep saying, "We should lynch Xeg. Oh, I think Kash is scum too." at the end of it. And then when you explain it, it's gut.

VOTE: absta101

Stop misrepresenting what I'm saying.

[kashoodles]

Also, I think that's L-2 before people jump on the BW and claim they didn't know.

[kashoodles]

Also, I think that's L-2 before people jump on the BW and claim they didn't know.

Np, you better self vote after I flip town.

That's nice.

RY's come in pretty strong/scumhunts actively. Plus he picked at some peripheral people at the time (myself/absta/Lurker). MM replacing in is pretty weird - though I stalked some of her posts. I feel dirty. How much is allowed to talk about end-game discussion of another game?

@Lurker, yes please.

[kashoodles]

VOTE: Absta101

Why absta? Your last post was all about... not absta.

[kashoodles]

honestly, fuckit

I'm ok with lynching either absta or RY now

although I feel like my reasoning for RY is less biased

Skimmed through the last few pages, and you seemed to be questioning absta more than RY - why RY again?

[kashoodles]

This day should've ended ten pages ago.

I'm okay with a lurker lynch atm. He could be scum and he's being nearly as useless as I am. Not good, not good.

I actually agree with you again. Where the heck did he go?

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Lurker

absta is town, town, town.

There is exactly one scum on his wagon.

AngryPidgeon, SafetyDance, RandomYoshi, Kashoodles, Lurker (L-2)

Maybe I'm dumb, but can you spell out the absta read for me?

I also don't understand how telling someone you are voting to replace out is scum. Wouldn't that be... more town? Since you're not sure if the slot is actually scum but want to hear someone who actually can participate in the game?

[kashoodles]

Lurker still hasn't... done anything.

[kashoodles]

IFM has been generally contributing and scumhunting. He also put someone super lurk-y at L-2. I don't think we should keep backing down from Lurker heat because he always disappears after.

@Zoidberg, why do you find him town?

[kashoodles]

I'm not seeing the RY lynch outside of the meta about MM replacing out/playing other games.

Lurker's one townie posts is kinda obliterated by his total lack of contributing to the game when he's not being focused on.

@Lurker - what do you feel about the people on your lynch?

[kashoodles]

LOL. I came back expecting the game to still be stagnant. That's cool. Spot on reads. I'm proud of myself on a read for once.

[kashoodles]

VOTE: Zde

Agree with this.

[kashoodles]

Hi, sorry. School stuff was more stressful than I thought. This part ends tonight so I'll be around tomorrow.

[kashoodles]

Dat scumslip. How do you know the neighbors are town/town?

Also Bacde is fucking mafia isn't he? He would try to kill me.

Nice bread crumb.

@Rach - He could've killed either Bacde or Kash. They're both prob scum and some thought them town D1. Win win!

No. Plus, SKs halve the town population quickly. Why would he aim for a particularly scummy person?

Zed is just pro at scum is all.
I'm quite surprised at the support I got at the start of today.
---

@Kash - How confident are you in Zed being scum?

More confident about Xeg. Zde was null-ish for me yesterday but scummy today, especially his interaction with Hiraki and trying to shove something onto AP in #724. Your tunneling on me is stupid but I do agree with you and have agreed with you about Xeg/Zde since early Day 1 so whatever.

Have you been upset/annoyed this game? You're original wagon (which you're now distancing from) was not the night kill either. Are

you

mad? If that's how you normally play, why aren't

you

like that?

If we play similar and all...

How do you know who the night kill was?

I thought that SD had forgotten there was no NK, which would be a serious towntell (as scum would not forget this for sure), but then upon a reread that's not *really* what he was saying.

How was that a town tell? That seemed scummy as poop to me. Someone who wasn't the night kill - someone who wasn't the target of the night. What if it was

Though I find this pretty town tell-ish for you.

AP's defence of Lurker at the end of day 1 is suspect. Lurker was scum, in my opinion seemed scummy, and looked like he might have ended up being lynched, and AP went out of his way to defend him.

But Lurker was a third party anyway. AP would have to be scum - how would he know what Lurker was to defend him?

VOTE: Zde

Agree with this.

You're insane if you think Absta is bussing.

Reading today, I actually feel absta as town-ier. He's wrong about me but his reactions to people/questioning is town-sided. I think you're scum. Blame Xeg. Also you're flailing a lot.

How did you have a meta-based scumread on me when there's no scum meta to go off of?

I assume it was different enough from your town meta that he considered it your scum.

After being the second leading wagon yesterday Yoshi has done nothing today. It seems like he is trying to stay out of the spotlight now that the pressure is off of him.

Vote RandomYoshi

I don't have any problems with absta and in my eyes he is leaning town. I wouldn't have any major problems with voting Zde, but I think we need to get some pressure on Yoshi to get him posting.

Also sorry about my inactivity for most of the day so far. I was at a convention until late last night and wasn't able to read through stuff today.

Mmm, ok. I can explain some of my trolling, I just rolled my fav PR and I'm giddy cause I'm conftown in my head.

Im a 1 shot bulletproof town.

(In addition to being a neighbor)

So Im pretty sure I am the reason why there was no NK last night. Im also suspicious of Zoid a little bit because I expected them to die last night. My crap about wanting to be protected was just WIFOM to imply I was a big PR.

All of my crap today about 'killing pidgeons' and 'Bacde would kill me' is light trolling for reactions cause I'm pretty sure my 1xBP sponged the scum NK last night. Oh, that was also part of my decision to quick hammer lurker since Im only 1 shot.

Also, my vote on absta was just to see how other people reacted. I'm actually certain that absta isn't hiding anything after skimming last night. So I'm

behind

absta-town for now.

This actually makes sense with KBW's cocky attitude now. Though why claim now, especially when we're uncertain if there was a doc save or role blocker that caused the no kill?

Safety/Zde are my guess. Would like to hear more from RY.

P-edit: @Safety, I know you're trolling since I just died and flipped town in the only game we're in together but uhhhhhhhhh okay.

@Bacde: I don't understand all you MS people making up phrases. So you have a town read or you don't have a town read?

[kashoodles]

Oops, forgot the IFM quote.

@IFM - This seems deflection-y. RY hasn't posted on MS since the weekend. It would make more sense if he was around here and avoiding the game, but he's not. This vote feels weird.

[kashoodles]

Kash, even though you're prob scum, you're my favourite player so far. Who should we lynch after Zed?
I think Bacde, Hiraki or Safety. The last two because they're both crazy and are trying to make us lose.

Uhh, thanks?

Safety's been acting weird all day. He dropped a scum slip about the night kill. I feel like his genuinely apathetic and frustrated but I don't think it's from a town perspective. He's also been pretty dodge-y and posts a lot less frequently than others.

IFM's vote reasoning was weird, though I found him mostly town Day 1. Though BEF was pretty meh before IFM replaced in.

P-edit: That was an unexpected turnaround.

[kashoodles]

Modkilled for... dying in a game that's public access? I'm not stating a secret. It's the only other game I was in/have been posting in.

Though I will stop talking about current games because I don't want to step over the line.

[kashoodles]

AP's defence of Lurker at the end of day 1 is suspect. Lurker was scum, in my opinion seemed scummy, and looked like he might have ended up being lynched, and AP went out of his way to defend him.

Lurker claimed 3rd party? Ok, I can get on board with that then.

VOTE: Lurker

You forgot to quote THIS one SD...

Ahem

Attempting to understand reason that post has to do with RandomYoshi or AP's read on RY...
...
...
...
Attempt Failed.

Please, do enlighten.

Seeing a pattern here.

You're implying a lot that AP jumped from RY to Lurker without reason when that's not true.

I actually see where you are coming from with AP dropping RY, but RY hasn't been around for further questions.

[kashoodles]

Dear Dr. Zoidberg. The rest of the town may be content to let you pretend to be too carefree to back your bullshit up, but Im pretty sure you are scum. You were a universal townread

So? Scum aren't obligated to kill people who are seen as very-towny. Maybe they tried to pick off a suspected PR. Maybe they no-killed on purpose. There are lots of equally plausible explanations and your reasoning is specious.

I understand picking off a PR but why suggest that there was a no kill?

[kashoodles]

@Zde - you called what I was saying gibberish but AP defending Lurker at the end of Day 1 was too ballsy and attention grabbing. I don't think he would do that as scum.

And your push on AP seems forced to me.

[kashoodles]

In light of the situation

unvote

.

I'm willing to lynch Zdenek, but I would like to wait for RY to get a sub before we proceed with that.

I don't think we should lynch now at all, but he's at L-3, not teetering at the edge of being lynched.

[kashoodles]

^ Literally this post.

Ya, ya, RY. I dunno man. I guess I changed my mind; I think hes more likely derp than scum (but both of those options are equally plausible). You didn't find my absta 180 as interesting?

Why is he now more likely derp than scum?

[kashoodles]

Hi posting on my phone. Had to be rescued by the fire department from my elevator. Will post when I hey on the computer .

[kashoodles]

I feel that could go either way but I see your point.

Kasshoodles is my choice for today at that rate.

Unvote, Vote: Kasshoodles

That's pretty convenient, considering zoid has been pretty commanding all game and now you can sheep it . Also your ambivalence to SD - so you agree a with zoid but probably not about half of what he is saying ?

[kashoodles]

Where's Rev?

Re-read a bit of end of D1 and D2 - Hiraki is opportunist as fuck and going with the crowd, except for the Lurker lynch in which he was actively against.

Wanted IFM, doing the "either or" game and ended up voting Zde when he realized no one was agreeing. Then right when absta was getting heat.

Also, Hiraki is town.

How so?

Zoid --

Spoiler:

The scum is in the list below:

Revenus (Deltabacon)
Hiraki
Majiffy (RandomYoshi),(Ms Marangal)
Bacde
IFM (BrightEyedFish)
Kashoodles (JKMatthews)

Zdenek called some players town, some scum, and some weren't mentioned. I am certain that he didn't stuff two buddies in the same category.

Zdenek called only two players town.

Bacde, and us.
We are town, so by POE, Bacde is likely the buddy that calls 'town.'

Zdenek had no comment on three players.

AP, kashoodles, and RachMarie.
AP & RachMarie are town. That leaves kashoodles as a possibility.

Zdenek called scum Marangal/RandomYoshi/Majiffy, Revenus, and Hiraki.

After isos, my best bet on third buddy is RandomYoshi/Majiffy.

Today I would examine Bacde and kashoodles, one of these two players is certainly scum.

I would also examine Marangal/RandomYoshi/Majiffy, Revenus, and Hiraki, one of these three is certainly scum.

-DGB

What? Zde called me scum half of D1. Then he changed his tune and started focusing on SD/absta.

I feel that could go either way but I see your point.

Kasshoodles is my choice for today at that rate.

Unvote, Vote: Kasshoodles

Seriously, Zoid starts mentioning it, absta has been on me for a while so now it's what you've been feeling this whole time? At least absta has been on me since D1. You're being so opportunistic it's ridiculous.

Bacde--

Spoiler:

hey guys,

I'm town. Not feeling the suspicion towards me.

I'm also not feeling the suspicion on SD. This is for a couple reasons:

1) He was the blatant counterwagon to Zde
2) He asked for Zde to be modkilled (he

also

asked for AP to be modkilled)
3) He made a really townie post in particular about RandomYoshi

As of yesterday, I'm also a Hiraki fan, just solidly better

Here's what I've got so far

Town Pool

Bacde
Absta
AP
DR ZOID
SD
Hiraki

Scum be here

Revenus
Majiffy
Kashoodles
IFM

I think the Majiffy slot in particular has fallen to the wayside, deserves more scrutiny, and is likely scum. I don't like how he came out the gate voting for SD.

Vote: Majiffy

Care to explain your scum list? You seemed to flip your reasonings for people pretty quickly.

@Bacde - Why's Kash scum?

Bacde, answer this please.

AP is conftown, absta pretty conftown.

[kashoodles]

I will say Kash is someone I might be giving a pass. Intention to ISO Kash. Ugh. That is going to be lame.

But I'm fabulous!

[kashoodles]

Actually, the scummiest person on the wagon was kashoodle.

Spoiler: Follow:

VOTE: Zde

Agree with this.

This is eight posts into Day 2 (JFS was #654).

Now no reason was given until a couple of days after and it was this:

More confident about Xeg.

Zde was null-ish for me yesterday but scummy today

, especially his interaction with Hiraki and trying to shove something onto AP in #724. Your tunneling on me is stupid but I do agree with you and have agreed with you about Xeg/Zde since early Day 1 so whatever.

See the discrepancy here?

Voted for Zed early on in the day, then gave reason for him being scummy AFTER that post, not before it.

Spoiler: Btw,

P-edit: @Safety, I know you're trolling since I just died and flipped town in the only game we're in together but uhhhhhhhhh okay.

Modkilled for... dying in a game that's public access? I'm not stating a secret. It's the only other game I was in/have been posting in.

For the record here, I'm not in or have been in any games with kash, so 771 makes no sense if he was being serious in 763.

Mind you there's IFM:

Spoiler:

I assume it was different enough from your town meta that he considered it your scum.

After being the second leading wagon yesterday Yoshi has done nothing today. It seems like he is trying to stay out of the spotlight now that the pressure is off of him.

Vote RandomYoshi

I don't have any problems with absta and in my eyes he is leaning town.

I wouldn't have any major problems with voting Zde, but I think we need to get some pressure on Yoshi to get him posting.

Also sorry about my inactivity for most of the day so far. I was at a convention until late last night and wasn't able to read through stuff today.

Soft-bussing on a partner

To then do this:

Oh thought he was a lot closer to being lynched. In that case.

Vote Zdenek

With no content, no reason and on the whole, his 16 posts contain SFA.

I was voting for Xeg Day 1 because Xeg was scummy. Zde replaced in, he was catching up and being generally better than Xeg. Lurker was being lurk-y as fuck. Zde on Hiraki seemed forced.

@absta - I'm waiting for Bacde to answer my questions.

Whoops, I thought you were in Switch (just ended a couple days ago, DON'T MOD KILL ME). I was in four games/busy IRL and swore you were a lurker in that one. I like that you are using that as a case against me though?

[kashoodles]

Meep. I really hate being one of the replacement people but school/work is too much right now and all piled on pretty suddenly with quick deadlines. I'm already only really able to sign on/read a couple times a day and it's only going to get worse, so...

@Mod, could I also get a replacement?

THIS LOOKS GREAT FOR MY SLOT LOLOL but seriously. Good luck town!

[kashoodles]

I was curious to see how things were going and saw I checked in at a good time. Sorry, Jake, for replacing out. I feel really bad about it. Still swamped with work and would have been toast if I didn't so it was the right RL move but still, I'm sorry.

I felt pretty shitty as scum haha. I thought I did rather horribly and am doing pretty noob. I do regret not pushing the Hiraki lynch, though (or obviously submitting a night kill day 1).

Thanks to mollie for replacing in, eep. Thanks for Bacde for taking one for the team and sticking with it the whole time.

[kashoodles]

I felt pretty shitty as scum haha. I thought I did rather horribly and am doing pretty noob.

What. You were amazing this game. You did almost nothing scummy all game.

haha Not at all, but thank you.

I felt pretty shitty as scum haha.

That's because Bacde didn't phrase his good advice properly.

He should have told you that you're a troll, and your game is to troll the town for lulz.

:C