Open 485: Polygamist Mafia - GAME OVER

[Messiah]

Posting soonish.

[Messiah]

Okay, Marangal/Lev pair is definitely town. My eyes immediately glazed over when the huge idiotic walls started up and I don't have time to deal with that right now. Sheeping Klick until I get more time.

vote: KBW

[Messiah]

Okay, VL and ffery are guaranteed to not be scum together for posts 36 and 37.

I like fferyllt for town for post #21. Can't really explain why, but it feels really town-motivated.

Can you try to quantify this for me? I actually got the exact opposite feeling from it. I know that's a shitty thing to try to explain, but if you can that'd be cool.

[Messiah]

Levi, vote KBW.

[Messiah]

Actually, I'm pretty confident ffery is town now. Never mind.

[Messiah]

Orcinus seems to be behaving in a way that is much more likely to gather the attention and ire of other players than he did in the game I played with him as scum from what I remember, so he can be town for now. I'll go back and check on that sometime to make sure I'm remembering correctly though.

JKM and TAM could be scum.

Still conspicuously not reading the walls.

[Messiah]

Nekoko

totally

needs to post.

VL is probably my second pick for scum at the moment.

[Messiah]

Hey guys, FuDuzn is town. Try not to vote him too much. I'm something like infinity pages behind in this game(sorry!) but I'll try to get caught up soon.

Fyi his hyper-aggressiveness was something we planned out in pre-game using the theory that if a good-looking wagon was pushed really hard and still failed to gain some decent traction it could indicate that the wagon was on scum whose buddies were afraid to bus, given that the scum team makes up such a large percentage of the player-list in this setup. If that's still why he's getting votes then that would be

pretty dumb

exceedingly idiotic.

[Messiah]

You'd be hard pressed to find any decent, seasoned player on this site that agreed with your point on the second quote, Sven.

[Messiah]

I haven't really read anything since my post on page 5 and the most recent two pages. My reading will have to wait until a little later, I'm busyish working right now. Who are the pairs? And why is Sven in a hurry?

[Messiah]

I'm townreading the sven/ffery(mostly this half) pair and the Ms Marangal/Lev pair strongly. Weaker but still decent townread on the Klick/Orc pair.

That leaves VL/Nekoko and TAM/KBW, and I was already leaning towards the three(minus nekoko, I don't remember any of her posts) of them anyway. That works out nicely.

[Messiah]

vote: Nekoko

FuDuzn, let's do this. If I'm wrong I'll sheep you tomorrow. Promise.

[Messiah]

Rereading VL/nekoko gave me this.

In post 119, Voodoo Lady wrote:
When scum make incriminating comments, they frequently try to back out of the statement with a comment along the lines of "Obviously that was a joke!" Orcinus is doing this right now w/r/t his vote on Fferyllt sans explanation.

Plus I find your stated reasoning for the vote kind of flimsy... if you wanted to start a conversation with Fferyllt in real time, wouldn't you try to ask her a question or something instead of just voting for her with no explanation?

I personally read Marangal's OMGUS comment as being directed at Fferyllt, TAM.

Nekoko: I would very much like to see you post sometime in the near future!


Seems like predisigned team, this is in hindsight coming of as "come on partner", not sure if its an alignment thing, probably not.

I actually read VoodooLady in post 36 http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 5#p4800285 in kind of the same way. Like overeager scum that had just been deciding on which of her buddies she was going to claim to be lovers with and wanted to get it over with. That was (mostly) why I listed her as my second scum pick in my earlier post.

[Messiah]

Wait, orc, are you in another game with Levi right now?

[Messiah]

No, I didn't state it anywhere. The only read I explained at the time was orcinus.

[Messiah]

I originally thought they were scummy because of orc, but now I am giving them a town read because I really sense it that Klick's persistence and appearance in the threat that he is town and by default that would mean orc too. my town read on Klick currently is stronger than my scum read on orc.

WAIT FUCK

WHAT IS THIS POST

YOU NEVER SCUM READ ME

YOU TOWN READ ME FROM LITERALLY THE START OF THE GAME

WHAT IS THIS POST

oops my bad. =P sorry.

thinking of you in another game.

=p my bad. my complete bad!

medications have me all dellusioned now!

negate that post. =/

Then what the fuck is this?

[Messiah]

I'm townreading the sven/ffery(mostly this half) pair and the Ms Marangal/Lev pair strongly. Weaker but still decent townread on the Klick/Orc pair.

That leaves VL/Nekoko and TAM/KBW, and I was already leaning towards the three(minus nekoko, I don't remember any of her posts) of them anyway. That works out nicely.

[Messiah]

KBW isn't my partner?

[Messiah]

Because there hadn't been a recent votecount and everyone was under the impression that she had more votes than she actually did, until fferylit went back and counted them. What's with the underhanded suspicion?

[Messiah]

Also, this is stupid. Who are FuDuzn and I buddies with again? Klick and Orc, whom Klick and FuDu have been at each other's throats the entire game, including Klick trying to lynch FuDu the entire fucking time? Marangal and Levi, the pair that is universally townread by everyone but FuDu who was campaigning for their lynch until I asked him to compromise with me for today? Sven and Ffery, who are trying to derail the Nekoko/VL wagon onto us? VL/Nekoko, who we were just about to get lynched? TAM and KBW, who FuDuzn was entirely willing to lynch at Orcinus' behest and I was content to park my vote on for 20+ pages, even after the huge wagon had built up?

We ARE town, and if the town keeps their head up their asses like this we're probably going to lose.

[Messiah]

Maybe if I hadn't been in the hospital for the better part of a week during the time that the majority of the game content was being produced I would be able to contribute a little better, but as it is I haven't had a whole lot of time to make up for the lost time. What's "rich" about it? Because I haven't contributed enough my opinion is irrelevant? Or are you just trying to cast sideways suspicion again?

pedit: Ffery, who are our buddies?

You're both seriously idiotic. I think you're town but the willful ignorance towards the points I'm making and any common sense are going to lose you this game since you're more or less leading the town at this point.

[Messiah]

Should I point out how that's a massive misrepresentation, or is it too obvious?

[Messiah]

Sven, I was talking to Klick.

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I agree that lynching the TAM/KBW pair and the VL/Nekoko pair will almost certainly result in a win at some point. I don't agree that lynching FuDu/Myself and one of VL/Nekoko, TAM/KBW will necessarily result in a win, though. You're assuming that the pairs that you have townreads on are guaranteed to be town in that case, and that is a losing strategy, especially from my perspective.

[Messiah]

The worst that could happen is that you lynch the wrong two. Do you really think you nailed all four scum in a pool of six players? I don't have any scumreads worth mentioning outside of the VL/Nekoko and TAM/KBW pairs, but I'm not about to assume that I have all four scum right there.

[Messiah]

You people are fucking stupid.

[Messiah]

Wait, are we not hammered?

[Messiah]

We aren't scum, what the fuck levi.

I'm sorry, too, that I didn't contribute to this game enough FuDuzn. I know first hand that doing so causes no one to pay any attention to you, and that hurt is in this game too.

[Messiah]

Orc though is making sense, listen to him.

Agreed.

[Messiah]

Maybe if I hadn't been in the hospital for the better part of a week during the time that the majority of the game content was being produced I would be able to contribute a little better, but as it is I haven't had a whole lot of time to make up for the lost time.

[Messiah]

Yes Sven, we're definitely allowed to keep talking.

[Messiah]

I'm going to try to read through everything that I missed leading up to the hammer recently real quick before my ride gets here.

[Messiah]

no

[Messiah]

Because I still don't think Fu/TAM is impossible, especially since Messiah basically showed how they made it look like that with every possible pair.

lol at this.

[Messiah]

YOU MEAN IT LOOKS UNLIKELY YOU COULD BE SCUMBUDDIES WITH ANYONE? YOU MUST HAVE DONE IT ON PURPOSE AND DEFINITELY COULDN'T BE TOWN.

[Messiah]

Orc, why would you hammer us if you were townreading us as you said a couple pages ago?

[Messiah]

I still think fuduzn is scummy. I like messiah's entrance into the game.

Okay, Marangal/Lev pair is definitely town. My eyes immediately glazed over when the huge idiotic walls started up and I don't have time to deal with that right now. Sheeping Klick until I get more time.

vote: KBW

okay, question for you messiah, why would you vote your partner? and then ask ME to vote your partner? if you supposedly think yourself town that is.

Gawd, levi convince Marangal that we're town

Orc, why was Fu/Messiah/TAM/KBW unlikely again?

I don't really see how i can convince her. =/ i think she is most wrong about fferyllt and sven first of all. they are my first strongest town reads. you guys follow.

I do see a high chance of Fuduzn/messiah/TAM/KBW i think thats the scum team easily.

So he liked my entrance into the game. He seemed to dig up some shit that I posted at the very beginning of the game to pin something on me (that wasn't true) and immediately after that says he thinks I'm part of the scum team "easily."

This is not a townie thought progression.

There's also another post where he awkwardly accuses me of being suspicious because I defended FuDu, lol.

Don't get stuck into lynching TAM or Nekoko only.

[Messiah]

@mssiah, its nothing against you... it just gives us very little when he talks to you not us.

I'm not sure what this is referring to.

[Messiah]

Oh, my "no" wasn't directed at you Sven.

[Messiah]

Also, I'm sorry for yelling at everyone. I know I should've done better in this game. I just didn't expect for a second that we'd go down this quickly.

[Messiah]

Meaning I thought I'd have more time to be useful, etc.

[Messiah]

I don't have a town read on Orc/Klick or Levi/Marangal anymore, for what it's worth.

[Messiah]

Wait wait wait wait.

Sven, to answer your question, once I place my vote, I start to tunnel meaning, I don't usually place my vote unless I'm certain that a person is scum.

Actually, I've consistently pushed the fact that I think FuDuzn is scum, but no one supports that lynch.

No one? Svenskt and I were on that wagon for a while. I put a vote on him Sunday. I preferred FuDuzn to KBW on Saturday night (my time). I started the KBW bandwagon as strategy to have a choice of BWs to see where the votes went.

They went pretty fast to KBW, including yours.

Hmmm... WHAT IF

VOTE: Fuduzn

yeah, I know I had Fuduzn as a town read, though it really does work well with the Klick/orc team now that I think about it. Messiah is the only Lurker either of then have not attacked at all. they both "advocated" a Fuduzn lynch then, moved to a KBW lynch, then moved on to a Voodoo lynch.

Fuduzn "RVS" voted Klick, maybe to try and distance themselves early on.

My scum read on the two of you is mostly because of Orci. He's being really aggressive to some people, like TAM and KBW and the fact that he still try's to get people to sheep him bugs me.

in fact... the ONLY people attack for an extended period of time

is

lurkers, almost as if he's going after the easier targets. I mean, he does complain about Sven, and FF and have held an argument against them both for a short period of time, and he never returned to either of them at all at any point during the game.

Lynch this shit.

[Messiah]

Are you seriously harping on me having had a sudden hospital stay AGAIN? I never would've taken you for a huge asshole.

[Messiah]

Also, I pointed out why you and Marangal are scum and it has nothing to do with whatever ridiculous strawman you just created. Pay attention.

[Messiah]

I'm going to replace out because the town of a game I'm in are spastic as fuck and are too stupid to not rush to quicklynch after quicklynch? And somehow getting a person to come in even further behind than I was would help? You're seriously retarded.

[Messiah]

I'm removing this game from my bookmarks. Good luck town.